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    (dramatic music)
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    - I'm Mary Ann Mason,
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    I'm the Dean of the Graduate Division,
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    and I'm pleased, along
    with the Graduate Council,
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    to present Elizabeth Warren,
    who is this year's speaker
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    in the Jefferson Memorial Lecture series.
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    As a condition of this bequest,
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    we're obligated to tell
    you how the endowment
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    supporting the lectures
    came to UC Berkeley.
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    The Jefferson Memorial Lectures
    were established in 1944
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    through a bequest from
    Elizabeth Bonestell,
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    and her husband, Cutler L. Bonestell.
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    A prominent San Francisco couple,
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    the Bonestells cared deeply for history,
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    and had hoped that the lectures
    would encourage students,
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    faculty, visiting scholars and others
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    to study the legacy of Thomas Jefferson
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    and to explore the values
    inherent in American democracy.
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    Past lecturers, Ambassador
    Jeane Kirkpatrick,
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    Senator Alan Simpson,
    Representative Thomas Foley,
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    Walter LaFeber and
    Archibald Cox have delivered
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    Jefferson Memorial Lectures
    on early American history
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    about Jefferson himself and
    on American institutions
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    and policies in economics,
    education and the law.
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    And now a few words
    about Elizabeth Warren.
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    One of America's leading
    commentators on consumer issues
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    and the law, Elizabeth Warren
    has been an outspoken critic
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    of America's credit economy,
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    which she has linked to the
    continuing rise in bankruptcy
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    among the middle class.
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    No one in the audience, I'm sure.
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    Her critical analysis of
    Congress's latest revision
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    of America's national bankruptcy law
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    has received wide attention in the media
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    as well as in academic and policy circles.
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    At Harvard Law School,
    Warren's courses include
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    contract law, bankruptcy
    and commercial law.
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    She said recently that
    she has spent decades
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    writing in academic books and
    teaching an entire generation
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    of law students about the rules of money.
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    Those rules include the formal
    statutes of commercial law,
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    the policies inherent in them,
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    and the ethical problems
    that they can produce.
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    Warren is a frequent
    contributor to articles in
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    The New York Times, The Washington Post,
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    and Women's eNews, and her
    commentary appears regularly
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    on National Public Radio's news program,
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    All Things Considered,
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    and on the internet forum,
    The Huffington Post.
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    After earning a BS from the
    University of Houston in 1970,
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    Warren was awarded a J.D.
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    from Rutgers University-Newark in 1976.
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    She joined the faculty of
    Harvard University in 1992
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    and has served as the
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    Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law since 1995.
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    Prior to Harvard, Warren taught at
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    the University of Pennsylvania Law School,
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    the University of Texas Law School,
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    the University of Houston Law Center,
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    the University of Michigan,
    and Rutgers School of Law.
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    Warren has channeled her
    expertise in commercial law
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    into numerous other
    professional activities.
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    She acted as chief adviser
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    to the National Bankruptcy
    Review Commission
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    from 1995 to '97.
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    She served three terms on
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    the Federal Judicial Center Committee
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    on Judicial Education, 1990 to '99,
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    and since 1995, Warren has
    been the United States advisor
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    to the Transnational Insolvency Project.
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    In presenting its nomination
    of Professor Warren
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    for the lectureship,
    the selection committee
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    spoke of Warren's
    prominence as a commentator
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    in public discourse on bankruptcy
    and other consumer issues.
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    A scholar of great originality
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    and insight into commercial
    law and a law teacher
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    and lecturer of exceptional distinction.
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    According to committee
    chair Harry N. Scheiber,
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    the Riesenfeld Professor
    of Law and History,
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    "At a time when the social safety net
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    "is no longer taken for
    granted by Americans,
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    "its unremitting attack in Washington
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    "and many state capitals,
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    "Elizabeth Warren's unique importance
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    "as a researcher and writer,
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    "concerned with changing
    income distribution
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    "and the imperiled condition
    of the nation's social welfare
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    "makes this lecture one
    of special importance
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    "to the campus community."
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    I should say personally that
    I read her book last year,
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    "The Two-Income Trap",
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    and I would put it among my very favorites
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    of policy books that both made sense
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    and are going to change policy.
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    So it gives me very great pleasure
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    to welcome Elizabeth Warren.
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    (audience applauding)
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    - Thank you, Dean Mason.
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    Thank you, members of
    the Berkeley faculty,
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    Berkeley students and Berkeley friends.
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    It's an honor to be invited
    to give the Jefferson Lecture,
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    especially following the footsteps
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    of such esteemed people.
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    And it's also a particular
    pleasure to be here.
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    I appreciate the hospitality,
    it has been extraordinary,
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    and the good weather,
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    since I was on a plane
    that had to be de-iced
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    before it could take off,
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    it really does seem that
    I've landed in heaven.
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    So it's a special treat to be here today.
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    I want to say,
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    I like to talk about the
    things that I care about
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    and that I'm passionate about,
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    and I only get nervous about the fact that
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    I may not tell you all the
    things that I want to make sure
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    that you know and I may
    not be able to say it
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    as clearly or distinctly,
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    because I want you to hear these things,
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    but today, I feel a special anxiety
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    as I get ready to do this because
    the only two conversations
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    that I have had running
    throughout the day today
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    have been how appalling
    it is to use PowerPoints,
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    and about boring lectures and
    falling asleep during them.
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    So having my confidence
    boosted before I came in here,
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    I will approach this somewhat gingerly.
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    What I wanted to talk about
    today is I wanted to start
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    by talking about what I
    think is the single most
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    important economic
    shift of the second half
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    of the 20th century in the United States,
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    and that is that millions of mothers
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    poured into the full-time paid workforce.
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    A woman in 1970
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    who had a 16 year old child
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    was less likely to be in the workforce
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    than a woman in 2003
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    who had a six month old child at home.
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    It was a profound shift in America.
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    The median family in America,
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    a married couple family in America,
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    went over a 30-year
    period, median, middle,
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    from being a one-income household
    to a two-income household,
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    a significant shift.
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    And so if we had known,
    let's say, 30 years ago,
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    35 years ago, we've been
    sitting here in 1970,
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    and as part of the Jefferson Lecture,
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    I'd had my crystal ball and I'd said,
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    "Here's what's going to
    happen over the next 30 years.
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    "Mothers are going to
    pour into the workforce,
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    "take on full-time work,
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    "they're gonna get better education,
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    "they're gonna have more work experience,
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    "their incomes are going to rise.
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    "They won't get all the
    way to where men are,
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    "but they're gonna make
    substantial advances."
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    Now let's speculate on what
    the family will look like
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    30 years hence, that
    is, in 2000, 2005, 2007.
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    Well the first thing
    I would have estimated
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    is that people would
    stop living in suburbs
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    that are far out.
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    I would have guessed
    everyone would live close in,
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    that no mother of a six month old child
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    would commute an hour
    and 40 minutes to work.
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    I would have been, of course,
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    very wrong in that first estimate.
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    The second thing I would
    have guessed is that families
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    will be very wealthy.
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    They're going to have
    lots of savings, no debt,
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    and plenty of vacations, right?
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    If you've got two people in the workforce,
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    there's gonna be a lot of extra income.
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    They're gonna be secure,
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    there won't be a lot of bankruptcy,
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    there won't be a lot of default,
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    nobody's gonna be dealing
    with debt collectors,
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    that's what it's gonna
    look like come the new era.
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    So let's see what happened.
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    This is all inflation adjusted,
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    everything I'm gonna do today
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    is gonna be inflation adjusted,
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    so we can just make that
    assumption as we go forward.
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    This is what happened to median
    income for married families
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    and this is gonna be my period
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    to the extent the data permitted.
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    It's basically gonna be one
    generation, 1970 to 1971,
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    to 2005, 2006.
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    What happened in a single generation,
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    from your mom and dad to you, okay,
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    is what we're talking about here.
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    And you see how income
    goes up for families.
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    But there was an underlying message
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    that was not nearly so good,
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    and that is income went
    up for married couples,
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    but the green line, the one underneath,
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    you notice that income for
    males, fully employed males,
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    in fact, didn't rise at all.
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    And if you actually look at the numbers,
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    a fully employed male today,
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    once we had adjusted for inflation,
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    makes about $800 less than his
    father made a generation ago,
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    talking about median earners here.
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    Okay, so what that begins to tell us
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    is the first part of the
    story, family income rose,
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    but as I said, it was rising only
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    because women were going
    into the workforce.
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    In other words, the bump
    we got is not a bump
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    on top of the bump we were getting
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    because men were also earning
    more over this period of time
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    as they had been in the
    seven years that preceded,
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    but is a bump that comes only because
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    they put a second worker
    into the workforce.
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    All right, but my prediction
    should still hold.
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    After all, families are getting richer
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    in the sense of more income over time.
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    What happened?
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    Savings went down in
    this same time period.
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    So the one-income family
    in 1970 was putting away
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    about 11% of their take-home pay.
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    Think about it, week after
    week, month after month,
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    they're putting away about 11%.
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    By the year 2006, you notice
    the line goes below zero.
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    This is a concept only
    Alan Greenspan would love,
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    negative savings.
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    The American family
    today puts away nothing,
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    and frankly has been putting away nothing
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    for the last five or six years.
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    There's nothing there,
    there is no savings.
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    So savings didn't go
    up the way I predicted.
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    Oh, but something went up,
    and that's revolving debt.
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    I picked revolving debt,
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    I could have picked any of them,
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    revolving debt just
    basically means credit cards
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    where you can carry a balance outstanding.
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    We could have picked consumer debt,
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    which would also include
    car loans and payday loans
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    and a few other kinds of debt,
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    we could have included mortgage,
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    and we would have gotten
    much the same picture.
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    Revolving debt is a
    percentage of annual income.
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    Notice there's supposed to be
    some decimal points in there
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    that aren't showing up very well,
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    I don't know what happened in
    the translation of the program
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    but basically in 1970, the
    median family in America
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    was carrying about 1.4%
    of its annual income
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    in revolving debt, store charges.
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    So there was a tiny little
    fraction on average.
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    By the year 2005, the median
    family is carrying about 15%
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    of its annual income in revolving debt,
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    okay, just true there at the average.
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    So savings have gone down,
    revolving debt has gone up,
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    and it gives us this picture,
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    if we put the whole thing together here.
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    And that is the left side, 1972,
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    the family, blue, is saving 11%
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    and carrying debt about 1.4%.
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    By the year 2005, is
    carrying credit card debt
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    equal to one in every seven
    dollars that it earns, 15.6%,
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    and its savings rate is negative,
    eight tenths of a percent.
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    So think about what that means.
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    That means, over the last 30
    years, in terms of a shift,
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    the family spent everything
    that mom's income
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    added to the family fisc,
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    spent everything they used to save,
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    that 11% that they used to put away,
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    and went into debt another
    15% of income on top of that.
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    They spent it all.
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    Now, whoops, I'll do it a little faster,
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    what did they spend it on?
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    This was the question that really drove me
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    in my research over the last few years.
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    Where do they spend the money?
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    Because what's interesting here is that
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    everybody has an answer on this one.
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    People can tell me exactly
    what they spent it on,
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    people are sure, and so
    I started to find out.
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    The federal government has
    actually been keeping data
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    on how Americans spend their money.
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    This is done through
    the Commerce Department,
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    large parts of this,
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    and some of it's due to
    the Labor Department,
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    they've been keeping this
    for more than a century
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    so that you can look at data
    on canned meat consumption
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    going back to the late
    1800s and early 1900s.
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    You can check out alcohol consumption,
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    you can check out cracker consumption,
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    it's not all about food,
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    it's about cars and rugs and furniture
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    and all sorts of things
    that the government has been
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    collecting data on.
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    So I found this source for all the data,
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    right down the bottom in that list,
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    I don't know what the type
    is called, like .01 type,
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    it tells what the government office is
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    that's responsible for this
    and if you have any questions,
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    what you're looking for, so
    glory be to the internet,
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    found a phone number and
    found a live human being who,
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    and I started trying to ask about
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    how you could stabilize this stuff,
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    and look at it over time,
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    we all understand how you
    could do inflation adjustment,
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    he said something about,
    I said something that,
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    "Can you disaggregate this so
    that you can look at families
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    "matched for family size?"
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    That's really the question here.
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    And the guy said, "Well", he said,
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    "I guess if you cared,
    I could run the data."
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    And, all of a sudden, my little
    heart starts beating faster
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    and I'm panting into the phone and I said,
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    "You can actually run the data?"
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    And he said, "Yeah."
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    He said, "What kind of family
    do you want to look at?"
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    And I said, "I want to look
    at a mom, dad and two kids",
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    because we have such variations,
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    there's so many more one
    person family households now
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    and variations, "I want to look
    at a mom, dad and two kids."
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    That will help me stabilize both on age
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    and family composition.
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    "I want to look at a mom, dad
    and two kids in the 1970s,
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    "1970, 1971, and I want to
    look at a mom, dad and two kids
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    "in 2003", and I'm trying
    to gather these data,
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    and I want to compare them.
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    We lump together some expenses,
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    and I want to be able to
    compare them over time,
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    we'll adjust for inflation,
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    and figure out how much
    more people are spending.
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    He said, "Great."
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    So he said, "What's the
    first one you want to do?
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    "What's the first run?"
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    Because you gotta test this stuff out see
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    to see if you're getting it
    right, and I said, "Clothes,
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    "how much money are people
    spending on clothes today?"
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    Because all I ever hear about
    our designer toddler outfits,
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    the Gap, $200 sneakers,
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    all of the fancy things that people are
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    spending on themselves and
    their children in terms of,
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    we have a closet full, and look,
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    I think this is probably why.
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    I can't get a parking place at the mall.
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    All the dressing rooms are always full.
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    So it must be that we're
    spending too much on clothing.
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    So he calls me back when
    he gets the first data runs
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    and emails them and he says, "Okay",
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    he said, "I've got your number."
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    And I said, "Good, what's the number?"
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    And he said, "32%."
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    And I said, "So they're
    spending 32% more?"
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    And he said, "No, they're
    spending 32% less today
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    "than they spent a generation ago",
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    in inflation adjusted dollars.
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    And of course, it's like
    one of these things,
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    the first, I have to tell
    you, this is really awful,
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    the first eight times I talked with him
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    after he gave me this one, I
    knew he had the numbers wrong.
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    Finally, we ran this six
    different ways 'til Christmas,
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    I finally believe that
    the numbers were right,
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    and then we start to thinking,
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    well, you know, it makes sense.
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    Everybody shops at discount today,
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    nobody pays full price
    in a department store,
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    we import a lot more of our
    clothes than we used to,
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    men don't wear expensive
    suits, except for my husband,
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    people don't wear leather shoes,
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    little children wear sandals
    and go barefoot a lot,
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    on and on and on.
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    And so the numbers hold that
    clothing expenses for a family
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    climbed up to 32%.
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    So, okay, food, let's do food,
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    and let's be sure to put in eating out,
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    because we all know with
    mom not at home anymore,
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    it's gotta be that families
    are spending a fortune
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    on eating out, and besides that,
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    in 1972, nobody ate kiwis,
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    and nobody paid for water, right?
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    And my grandparents would
    be appalled by this, right?
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    So how much more is today's
    family spending on food
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    than they spent a generation ago?
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    Same sort of matching,
    including eating out,
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    and the answer is they're
    spending 18% less on food
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    than they spent a generation ago.
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    And once again, welcome to
    the world of big-box stores
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    where people are buying
    on very thin margins,
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    supermarkets, people eat a lot more pasta
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    and they eat a lot less
    meat than they used to,
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    there are lots of reasons
    that it's actually gone down
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    in terms of what we spend on food.
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    Okay, so, I'm beginning
    to get the hang of this,
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    I said, "Appliances, nobody
    had an espresso machine
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    "a generation ago, nobody had
    a separate popcorn popper,
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    "no one had a microwave oven."
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    And by the way, for each of these,
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    one of the fun parts of
    being able to do research,
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    can't do this in a lecture,
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    you can't burden the lecture with this,
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    but it's to get all the quotes,
  • 18:41 - 18:44
    to get Robert Frank and Julie
    Scherer and all these people
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    who are explaining why Americans
  • 18:45 - 18:47
    are in so much financial trouble,
  • 18:47 - 18:48
    and each time of course
    they're explaining about
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    how much we spend on clothing,
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    how much we're spending on food,
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    and how much we're spending on appliances.
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    So yeah, just in your own
    mind, pack all those in.
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    And of course, you know where I'm going.
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    52% less on appliances than
    they spent a generation ago.
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    And you get the rest of the pattern.
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    Per car average, yeah,
    we can talk about SUVs,
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    the size of a living room
    and Corinthian leather
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    or whatever it is you think,
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    with televisions in the back,
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    the reality is the per car
    cost of owning a car in America
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    has gone down 24% in 30 years.
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    Principle reason for it,
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    Americans today keep a car
    more than two years longer
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    than they kept it 30 years ago,
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    and repair costs have
    dropped significantly.
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    So the per car, this is
    what people really spend,
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    not what they projected might have spent,
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    have gone down dramatically.
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    Whoop, I'm getting a little fast here.
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    So the question is,
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    it's a little trigger-happy
    with this thing,
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    so the question is if all
    those things went down,
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    if clothing and food and
    appliances and cars went down,
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    and by the way, I could and a lot of this
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    with a lot more consumer goods,
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    electronics went up, surprise,
    surprise, 300 bucks, okay?
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    Dog food went up, baby food went down,
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    cigarettes went down, liquor
    went up, we should watch that,
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    dry cleaning went down.
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    The point is there's
    either wash or a negative
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    in terms of kind of ordinary consumption,
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    the idea that we are an
    over-consuming society,
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    what most people talk about
    when they're consuming.
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    So where is the family spending more money
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    than they spent a generation ago?
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    Well, let's start with a
    three-bedroom, one-bath house,
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    that the median income
    family is paying for.
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    And there it is, inflation
    adjusted dollars,
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    a 76% increase in what a
    family spends on a mortgage.
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    That's the mortgage payment,
    month in, month out.
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    Now think about that.
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    We have much lower mortgage
    rates than we had 30 years ago,
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    for those of you who are
    old enough to remember,
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    but the difference is when
    you take out a mortgage
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    for much more money, the low interest rate
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    will not make up for that difference.
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    And I want to emphasize here,
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    the median sized house that
    we're talking about here
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    did grow slightly in this period.
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    It grew from 5.8 rooms to 6.1 rooms.
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    So this is not about, and on average,
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    this family, this median family either
  • 21:29 - 21:32
    picked up a second bathroom
    or a third bedroom,
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    but not both.
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    So for those of you who want to say,
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    "Oh but I've driven by the McMansions",
  • 21:38 - 21:42
    "everybody has to have granite
    countertops and spa bathrooms
  • 21:42 - 21:44
    "and media rooms, I've seen them,
  • 21:44 - 21:45
    "I've seen them, I've seen them",
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    and compare that with Levittown,
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    which is more than 30 years ago,
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    but to give the idea, all that tells us
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    is that the new housing market has shifted
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    from the entry level house,
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    which is what was being built
    in the 1950s and 1960s to,
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    on average, when you
    buy a new house today,
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    it is your third to fourth house purchase,
  • 22:06 - 22:08
    that is, you've moved up and moved up
  • 22:08 - 22:10
    until you can afford this bigger house,
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    in other words, housing is not being built
  • 22:12 - 22:14
    for 70% of American families,
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    it's being built for the top
    20% of American families,
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    that's what we see when we see
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    the new construction that's underway.
  • 22:20 - 22:23
    For the average family today,
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    they are about 50% more
    likely to be in a house
  • 22:26 - 22:28
    more than 25 years old
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    and have all of the attendant
    expenses for maintenance,
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    but just looking at the
    mortgage, 76% more for a mortgage
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    than they had a generation ago.
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    Okay, well what's the next
    one they spent money on?
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    Health insurance.
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    This is my family that's healthy.
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    And my family, because
    I've loaded the dice here,
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    that's lucky enough to have an employer
  • 22:53 - 22:54
    who sponsors health insurance,
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    so I'm gonna make an
    apples-to-apples comparison
  • 22:57 - 23:01
    of employer-sponsored health insurance,
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    how much more two does today's family pay?
  • 23:03 - 23:08
    And the answer is they pay 74%
    in inflation adjusted dollars
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    more than they did a generation ago.
  • 23:11 - 23:14
    Third one, cars, increase of 52%.
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    Okay, Warren, how did you get cars
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    both above the line and below the line?
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    Well, I teach commercial
    law, but the answer is,
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    the median family with two
    people in the workforce
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    has moved from being a one-car family
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    to being a two-car family.
  • 23:29 - 23:31
    Families living out in the suburbs,
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    even if they keep a parent at home
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    can't get by on one car much of the time,
  • 23:35 - 23:37
    they've got to have two cars
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    in order to be able to get to the doctor,
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    to be able to get to the grocery store.
  • 23:41 - 23:44
    So families spend more
    because they have more cars
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    than they used to have.
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    Fourth-biggest, remember, I've
    got my mom, dad and two kids
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    and of course the big difference was
  • 23:50 - 23:52
    mom was at home a generation ago,
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    today she is out in the
    workforce is childcare.
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    Now I put childcare at a 100% increase.
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    In fact, you may remember from third grade
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    that you can't divide by zero,
  • 24:04 - 24:06
    so I could have picked 1,000% or 1%,
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    or whatever I wanted to pick here,
  • 24:08 - 24:11
    it is a new expense picked
    up by the two-income family
  • 24:11 - 24:14
    that was simply not there
    for the one-income family.
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    And we have one more
    expense, and it's taxes.
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    What's happened with taxes is
    that progressive tax system,
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    as mildly progressive as it is,
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    the first dollar that the
    second earner earns is taxed
  • 24:29 - 24:31
    after the last dollar of the first earner,
  • 24:31 - 24:35
    so it means that the tax
    rate for this economic unit
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    has gone out by about 25%
    in this period of time.
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    Okay, so there it is, downs and ups.
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    And I hope there are two
    things you notice about
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    the downs and ups.
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    The first one is the downs
    frankly are all smaller purchases
  • 24:51 - 24:54
    than the ups are, and that's bad news.
  • 24:54 - 24:58
    And the second is the downs
    are all flexible purchases,
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    that is, lose your job, get sick,
  • 25:01 - 25:04
    have a tough month with various expenses,
  • 25:04 - 25:06
    you cut back on the downs,
  • 25:06 - 25:08
    don't buy appliances this month,
  • 25:08 - 25:10
    cut back on food, it's
    not that you quit eating,
  • 25:10 - 25:12
    but you know, there's a difference between
  • 25:12 - 25:14
    macaroni and cheese and steak.
  • 25:14 - 25:17
    Families have flexibility in
    all the things that shrunk,
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    they shrunk the things
    where flexibility is,
  • 25:20 - 25:21
    but look at those other expenses,
  • 25:21 - 25:25
    those other expenses are big,
    fixed, relentless expenses.
  • 25:25 - 25:27
    And so this gets to what I think of
  • 25:27 - 25:32
    as the heart of what my research
    is about up to this point
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    and that is what these families look like,
  • 25:36 - 25:38
    and I do look at this the
    way a commercial lawyer does,
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    if this were a little business,
  • 25:41 - 25:42
    what these families look at.
  • 25:42 - 25:47
    The single income family
    back in the early 1970s
  • 25:47 - 25:49
    earned less money,
  • 25:49 - 25:50
    that's the first thing
    you'll notice here, right?
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    They're making about $32,000.
  • 25:53 - 25:56
    This is all inflation
    adjusted dollars again.
  • 25:56 - 25:58
    And you notice, of course,
  • 25:58 - 25:59
    they're making a whole lot more money,
  • 25:59 - 26:02
    making about $63,000,
  • 26:02 - 26:04
    about $73,000 in the early 2000s.
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    But notice those five
    expenses that I gave you
  • 26:10 - 26:14
    on the preceding chart,
    that's the part that's in red.
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    The early family is spending
    right at half its income
  • 26:19 - 26:20
    on these big fixed expenses,
  • 26:20 - 26:23
    these expenses that are
    very difficult to cut down,
  • 26:23 - 26:25
    to trim back, to cope with.
  • 26:26 - 26:30
    And that family, by the early 2000s,
  • 26:30 - 26:34
    has committed three
    quarters of their income
  • 26:34 - 26:38
    in order to meet those
    five basic expenses.
  • 26:39 - 26:44
    In fact, you'll notice the math
    we've done here, the family,
  • 26:44 - 26:47
    the two-income family,
    the mom, dad and two kids,
  • 26:47 - 26:49
    the prototype of the family
    that's supposed to be
  • 26:49 - 26:50
    working in America,
  • 26:50 - 26:53
    the one that's supposed
    to be making it all,
  • 26:53 - 26:56
    by the time they pay
    their five basic expenses,
  • 26:57 - 27:02
    they have less money left
    over, fewer total dollars,
  • 27:02 - 27:05
    than their one-income
    parents had a generation ago.
  • 27:06 - 27:09
    And now from the point of view
    of a commercial law scholar,
  • 27:09 - 27:12
    if I were simply looking at
    them and these were businesses,
  • 27:12 - 27:15
    this is, Business A is on the the far side
  • 27:15 - 27:18
    and Business B is on the
    near side, I'd say, well,
  • 27:18 - 27:20
    Business B is gonna go
    broke a lot more often
  • 27:20 - 27:25
    than Business A because they
    have so much less flexibility,
  • 27:25 - 27:28
    so much more debt, they're
    much more deeply leveraged,
  • 27:28 - 27:32
    and they're gonna have more
    of a harder time economically.
  • 27:32 - 27:37
    And in fact, that's about what's
    happened to these families.
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    So there's the heart, now I
    want to shift this a little bit
  • 27:41 - 27:44
    to say that's the economics
    of what's happened.
  • 27:44 - 27:45
    We've seen it on the income side,
  • 27:45 - 27:46
    we've seen what happened
    on the expense side,
  • 27:46 - 27:49
    and we've seen what it did
    to the American budget,
  • 27:49 - 27:54
    how it changed and made this
    a riskier economic unit,
  • 27:54 - 27:56
    but now what I want to do
    is I want to press on how
  • 27:56 - 28:01
    this family in the 2000s
    faces in fact even more risk
  • 28:02 - 28:04
    than these numbers suggest.
  • 28:04 - 28:06
    All right, first part,
    let's think about it
  • 28:06 - 28:08
    from the income side.
  • 28:08 - 28:13
    The family of the early 2000s
    now has to have two incomes
  • 28:14 - 28:16
    in order to keep its health insurance,
  • 28:16 - 28:20
    to make its house payment,
    to keep its cars on the road.
  • 28:22 - 28:24
    That means, just statistically speaking,
  • 28:24 - 28:28
    if the risk of losing your job
    had stayed exactly the same
  • 28:28 - 28:32
    over the last generation,
    the family on the right
  • 28:32 - 28:35
    has twice the risk of
    the family on the left
  • 28:35 - 28:38
    of not being able to make
    the mortgage payment.
  • 28:38 - 28:40
    Yes, they've diversified,
    they won't go to zero,
  • 28:40 - 28:41
    but the point is, they won't have enough
  • 28:41 - 28:43
    to make the mortgage payment.
  • 28:43 - 28:46
    So what we've got now
    is we've got families
  • 28:46 - 28:49
    who don't have to bring in 52 checks
  • 28:49 - 28:52
    in order to be able to make
    the monthly mortgage payment,
  • 28:52 - 28:55
    they got to bring in 104.
  • 28:55 - 28:59
    And if either of them loses their job,
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    they don't make the mortgage payment,
  • 29:00 - 29:02
    they're flat out of luck.
  • 29:02 - 29:04
    Let me say this another way,
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    'cause I want to give it one more twist.
  • 29:05 - 29:09
    The family on the left has
    has a hidden resource here.
  • 29:09 - 29:13
    They have another worker,
    the added worker effect.
  • 29:13 - 29:16
    If dad, and that's how it
    usually was, loses his job
  • 29:16 - 29:20
    or has a heart attack and can't
    go to work for three months,
  • 29:20 - 29:23
    the family on the left has
    somebody they can send in
  • 29:23 - 29:24
    to the workforce.
  • 29:24 - 29:26
    Now she doesn't make as
    much money as she does
  • 29:26 - 29:28
    by the year 2000,
  • 29:28 - 29:29
    she doesn't have as much education,
  • 29:29 - 29:31
    she doesn't have as much
    on-the-job training,
  • 29:31 - 29:32
    but, and here's the key,
  • 29:32 - 29:34
    every dollar she earns is a new dollar.
  • 29:34 - 29:37
    It's an unbudgeted
    dollar that was not part
  • 29:37 - 29:39
    of what they originally had.
  • 29:39 - 29:41
    So for example, the family on the left
  • 29:41 - 29:43
    that collects unemployment insurance,
  • 29:43 - 29:47
    combined with the additional
    income that mom can bring in
  • 29:47 - 29:49
    for a temporary period of employment,
  • 29:49 - 29:51
    they got a chance, they'll go down some,
  • 29:51 - 29:53
    but they got a chance to pull through
  • 29:53 - 29:55
    and come back up on the other side.
  • 29:55 - 29:58
    The family on the right,
    if something goes wrong,
  • 29:58 - 29:59
    there's no place to go,
  • 29:59 - 30:02
    they've already got their
    other person not only at work
  • 30:02 - 30:03
    but already fully budgeted,
  • 30:03 - 30:06
    they've already given up that income fully
  • 30:07 - 30:09
    in order to survive.
  • 30:09 - 30:12
    But the risk of losing your job,
  • 30:12 - 30:15
    the risk of losing
    income didn't stay steady
  • 30:15 - 30:18
    between the early 1970s and today.
  • 30:18 - 30:22
    I draw here on Jacob Hacker's work,
  • 30:22 - 30:26
    some of you may be familiar
    with it, "The Great Risk Shift".
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    What Jacob has done in this has looked at
  • 30:29 - 30:34
    a family's chance of a 20%
    or greater drop in income.
  • 30:34 - 30:37
    And he starts back in 1970,
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    Jacob is a good friend and
    will stick with the same years
  • 30:41 - 30:44
    I want to go with, and he goes up to 2003,
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    and you notice how income volatility
  • 30:48 - 30:50
    has gone up in this period of time.
  • 30:50 - 30:52
    So now we've got that family,
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    not only struggling because
    they got to have 104 paychecks,
  • 30:57 - 30:59
    struggling because the
    odds that one of them
  • 30:59 - 31:01
    will be laid off has
    gone up from where it was
  • 31:01 - 31:02
    a generation ago.
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    Okay, so that's where they
    are on the income side,
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    in terms of risk.
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    This is risk this little unit has to bear.
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    Let's think about health.
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    Okay, same argument I
    could make as before.
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    They now have double the chance
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    that someone will be in a car accident,
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    one of their two workers,
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    and won't be able to go
    to work and therefore
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    make enough money to
    pay a mortgage payment,
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    but this family now faces additional risks
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    on the health side as well.
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    What additional risks do they face?
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    Well, I'll pop forward to one,
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    and that is the increased odds
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    that they won't have health insurance.
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    Those odds have gone up
    over the past 20 years,
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    but the ones I like to think about,
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    I keep coming back to this one
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    because it's my favorite slide,
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    the ones I like to think about
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    are that the world of healthcare
    has changed in 30 years.
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    So let me just give you an example.
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    In 1971, a woman who was healthy
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    and gave birth to a healthy baby,
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    ordinary delivery, non-cesarean,
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    stayed in the hospital for five days
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    after the day the baby was born,
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    that's what insurance paid for,
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    that's what the hospital expected.
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    You could go home earlier if you wanted to
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    but you're entitled to
    five days in the hospital.
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    If you had a cesarean, 10,
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    that you got to stay in 1971.
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    And you know what the numbers are in 2006?
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    24 hours, okay?
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    24 hours, and keep in
    mind, in some places,
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    that's by legislation,
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    because they were trying
    to push them out faster.
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    How have we made gains
    in hospital efficiency
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    over the past 30 years?
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    You send home the sick people.
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    It really works, there is a policy,
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    we never want to talk about
    this in the United States,
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    it's known in the trade,
    in the hospital trade,
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    is send them home quicker and sicker.
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    They save money by letting the
    family provide nursing care
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    instead of having the hospital,
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    so you still have your
    surgery done at the hospital,
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    but it's the family that will
    take care of you post-surgery.
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    And so today we witness the
    spectacle of my mother-in-law,
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    a woman in her 80s where
    someone's trying to explain to her
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    how it is that she can wash a tube
  • 33:15 - 33:18
    and rinse things out and give injections,
  • 33:18 - 33:20
    my sister-in-law was just asked to do this
  • 33:20 - 33:22
    when my brother had some surgery,
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    we're gonna train the family to take care,
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    only they're both at work.
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    And the consequence of this
    means that for these families
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    with everybody in the
    workforce, somebody gets sick,
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    you just take off work,
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    'cause somebody's gonna
    have to take care of them,
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    somebody's gonna have to
    'cause you're not gonna get
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    this extra period of nursing care.
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    It's just another way
    to give one more push.
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    How about if a kid gets sick, a child?
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    I mean something really serious,
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    grandma falls and breaks a hip.
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    A generation ago, there
    was someone at home
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    to provide that nursing care,
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    for that extra eight
    weeks that grandma needed
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    some extra help.
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    Today, the illness of a family member
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    has a direct income impact for people
  • 34:03 - 34:05
    who aren't lucky enough
    to have jobs that pay you
  • 34:05 - 34:06
    even when you're not at work.
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    So the consequence is we
    end up with these families,
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    the child gets sick,
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    I read these stories over and
    over in my bankruptcy files,
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    the child gets sick,
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    mom stays at the hospital with the child
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    until she loses her job.
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    There are income effects
    now from any illness
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    anywhere in the family.
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    So we end up with a family
    once again bearing more risk
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    that someone will get sick,
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    and we can just keep multiplying this.
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    What are the odds of spending $10,000
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    in an emergency room today
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    compared to spending
    $10,000 in an emergency room
  • 34:42 - 34:43
    a generation ago?
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    One more that I just have to mention
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    that we can't quantify
    yet but I'm watching it
  • 34:48 - 34:51
    is that insurance itself has changed
  • 34:51 - 34:53
    in terms of how much of the medical cost
  • 34:53 - 34:56
    is actually covered.
  • 34:56 - 34:58
    We now have floating around in America,
  • 34:58 - 34:59
    I just, I don't know what else to call it
  • 34:59 - 35:01
    except faux insurance,
  • 35:01 - 35:02
    people who think they're insured
  • 35:02 - 35:06
    until they actually get sick
    and need their insurance
  • 35:06 - 35:08
    and it turns out that, well,
  • 35:08 - 35:09
    yeah, you have insurance,
  • 35:09 - 35:12
    I love the Utah policy that our
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    Secretary of Health Education and Welfare
  • 35:17 - 35:20
    comes out and says, "I got
    everybody in Utah insured,
  • 35:20 - 35:23
    "except it doesn't cover hospitalization.
  • 35:23 - 35:24
    (audience laughing)
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    "And it doesn't cover specialists."
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    And you call that,
  • 35:28 - 35:30
    and of course, it doesn't
    cover prescription drugs,
  • 35:30 - 35:32
    and it doesn't cover
    supplies and it doesn't,
  • 35:32 - 35:35
    there's more than it doesn't
    cover than it does cover.
  • 35:35 - 35:39
    So all of this is being
    pushed back on the family.
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    So let me take one more twist on it,
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    so we've got changes in jobs,
    changes in health insurance,
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    changes to healthcare,
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    what it cost to do health and care,
  • 35:48 - 35:51
    and I just want to put
    one more tweak into it
  • 35:51 - 35:54
    and that is to talk
    about the special risks
  • 35:54 - 35:57
    facing families with children.
  • 35:57 - 35:59
    I've made this my iconic family,
  • 36:00 - 36:03
    but I want to make two points
    about the iconic family here,
  • 36:03 - 36:06
    the mom, dad and two kids.
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    This is how it works for
    mom, dad and two kids.
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    Think how it works for
    either a mom and two kids
  • 36:13 - 36:15
    or a dad and two kids.
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    They are now competing,
  • 36:17 - 36:21
    I actually met a woman, it
    was a wonderful exchange,
  • 36:21 - 36:24
    I was sitting on an airplane
    right after the book came out,
  • 36:24 - 36:25
    "The Two-Income Trap"
    and I had it on my lap
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    and this woman next to me said,
    "Have you read that book?"
  • 36:28 - 36:30
    (audience laughing)
    And I said, "Mm-hmm."
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    And she said, "I'm a divorced mother",
  • 36:34 - 36:35
    and she said, "I'm an accountant."
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    She said, "I make a good income,
  • 36:36 - 36:39
    "I make above a median income
    in the United States today."
  • 36:39 - 36:42
    She said, "I could make it,
    I could support my two kids
  • 36:42 - 36:44
    "on what I get for child support.
  • 36:46 - 36:48
    "I could do it if I were only competing
  • 36:48 - 36:50
    "against other one-income households,
  • 36:50 - 36:54
    "for the basics, for
    housing, for healthcare,
  • 36:54 - 36:55
    "for all the things we're buying."
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    But she said, "I'm competing
    against two-income households."
  • 36:58 - 36:59
    And she said, "I just can't do it."
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    She said, "I can't hang
    on, I can't make it."
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    So that's the first
    part I want you to see,
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    the one-income family
    gets the lower income,
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    still faces high expenses,
    still wants the house
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    and so on and so forth, and
    faces all the same risks
  • 37:12 - 37:16
    with no one to back up and
    provide that second income,
  • 37:16 - 37:19
    but I want to step forward
    to say something else
  • 37:19 - 37:23
    about families with children and that is
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    this goes back to Hacker's work,
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    percentage increase in
    volatility by family type
  • 37:29 - 37:32
    from 1970 to 2003.
  • 37:32 - 37:35
    And notice what Hacker points out here.
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    For those of you can't read the wording
  • 37:36 - 37:38
    all the way over to the far side,
  • 37:38 - 37:40
    green is single without children,
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    that's how much income volatility,
  • 37:42 - 37:44
    and look, that's substantial
    income volatility
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    that we've got there, in the high 30s.
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    Single with children, a little above 40%.
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    Married without children, you
    get about a 70% volatility.
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    And married with children
    pushes up to about 95%
  • 37:59 - 38:03
    increase in volatility
    over the past generation.
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    Now, are families struggling with this?
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    Well, let me show you some of my data.
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    Oh, not my data, government data,
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    I never know what the
    next slide is going to be,
  • 38:12 - 38:14
    keeps me on my toes.
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    The next one is to disaggregate
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    a little bit more about housing,
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    we talked just a little
    bit about it before.
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    This is one of those charts,
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    it doesn't fit perfectly
    with what I'm talking about
  • 38:22 - 38:24
    because the years aren't quite right,
  • 38:24 - 38:26
    this is some government data I found.
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    Only goes back to 1983,
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    but notice what it shows, that
    increase in housing costs,
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    what families are paying for mortgages,
  • 38:35 - 38:37
    not my part in general,
  • 38:37 - 38:39
    they've done it the other way around,
  • 38:39 - 38:41
    what they're paying for the house itself,
  • 38:41 - 38:42
    what the cost of the house is.
  • 38:42 - 38:47
    We saw a 50% increase among
    the families with no children,
  • 38:47 - 38:50
    inflation adjusted and what housing costs,
  • 38:50 - 38:53
    but you notice among
    families with children,
  • 38:53 - 38:54
    it's 100% increase,
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    a full 100% increase in
    inflation adjusted dollars
  • 38:58 - 39:01
    for what a home costs for
    families with children.
  • 39:01 - 39:03
    Now we're gonna save plenty
    of time here for Q and A
  • 39:03 - 39:04
    because I think that's more fun
  • 39:04 - 39:07
    than having to listen to a lecture,
  • 39:07 - 39:09
    but I'll tell you at least
    how I read this chart.
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    Families are going to schools.
  • 39:11 - 39:14
    People without children
    don't have to buy schools,
  • 39:14 - 39:16
    and so they buy from
    a wider pool of homes,
  • 39:16 - 39:19
    they can look at a lot of homes
    in a lot of neighborhoods.
  • 39:19 - 39:22
    Families with children are
    buying what they believe
  • 39:22 - 39:24
    is a shrinking resource, that is,
  • 39:24 - 39:26
    places where you can have
    decent public schools
  • 39:26 - 39:28
    and send your children to public schools.
  • 39:28 - 39:31
    And in fact, we can triangulate
    these data in other ways,
  • 39:31 - 39:33
    so that you'll love this.
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    I wonder, I was gonna it's
    gonna say it would happen
  • 39:36 - 39:37
    only outside Boston,
  • 39:37 - 39:39
    but I bet it also
    happens outside Berkeley,
  • 39:39 - 39:41
    we just have the data outside Boston,
  • 39:41 - 39:46
    a five point increase in
    third grade reading scores
  • 39:48 - 39:52
    between two side-by-side municipalities
  • 39:52 - 39:55
    in the Boston suburbs that are
    otherwise matched for access
  • 39:55 - 39:57
    to public transportation
    and size of houses,
  • 39:57 - 39:58
    they've measured for everything,
  • 39:58 - 40:02
    sidewalks, crime rates,
    racial composition,
  • 40:02 - 40:03
    everything you want to look at,
  • 40:03 - 40:06
    five points in third grade reading scores
  • 40:06 - 40:09
    translates into tens of thousands
    of dollars of difference
  • 40:09 - 40:11
    in housing prices.
  • 40:11 - 40:13
    Parents are buying schools.
  • 40:14 - 40:16
    There was a great one out of San Diego,
  • 40:16 - 40:17
    study out of San Diego,
  • 40:17 - 40:19
    where they were having
    parents do preferences
  • 40:19 - 40:20
    on where they buy,
  • 40:20 - 40:23
    parents would rather
    live near a toxic dump
  • 40:23 - 40:26
    than live in a place where they thought
  • 40:26 - 40:27
    the schools were underperforming,
  • 40:27 - 40:29
    where they thought their
    children would not have
  • 40:29 - 40:31
    as good a chance in school,
    and I think that's what we're,
  • 40:31 - 40:33
    that's a large part of
    what we're seeing here.
  • 40:33 - 40:36
    So parents say, "I've gotta
    have those good schools,
  • 40:36 - 40:41
    "I gotta get out there, I gotta
    push, I gotta get forward."
  • 40:42 - 40:45
    They're spending more
    as we've talked about,
  • 40:45 - 40:49
    so what happens to them
    when they push this hard?
  • 40:49 - 40:52
    Well, there comes in
    just a little touch of
  • 40:52 - 40:55
    what I want to talk about
    with the safety net.
  • 40:55 - 40:58
    What's happened to the American safety net
  • 40:58 - 40:59
    for these families?
  • 40:59 - 41:02
    Well, the first part is
    the personal safety net,
  • 41:02 - 41:03
    the part you build yourself.
  • 41:03 - 41:05
    We've already looked at the data on that.
  • 41:05 - 41:08
    Less savings, more debt,
  • 41:08 - 41:10
    more people without health insurance
  • 41:10 - 41:11
    than we've ever had before.
  • 41:11 - 41:13
    And by the way, I should
    make a point on this,
  • 41:13 - 41:15
    more people without health insurance,
  • 41:16 - 41:19
    it's really been important to see here
  • 41:19 - 41:22
    how much lack of health
    insurance in the 1970s,
  • 41:22 - 41:25
    the typical modal uninsured person
  • 41:25 - 41:30
    was an unmarried male, no
    children, 23 years old.
  • 41:30 - 41:35
    Today, modal is a 35
    year old married person
  • 41:36 - 41:40
    with two children, has
    no health insurance,
  • 41:40 - 41:42
    this is the largest group
    when you start looking
  • 41:42 - 41:45
    at the groups who have
    no health insurance.
  • 41:45 - 41:48
    In 2001,
  • 41:48 - 41:53
    1.4 million people lost
    their health insurance.
  • 41:54 - 41:59
    Of those, 800,000 earned
    more than $75,000 a year,
  • 42:00 - 42:04
    that is moved from the
    insured to the uninsured ranks
  • 42:04 - 42:05
    that we have data for.
  • 42:05 - 42:07
    So what we're starting to see is
  • 42:07 - 42:09
    people who have no health insurance,
  • 42:09 - 42:11
    the people who've lost that
    part of their safety net
  • 42:11 - 42:14
    are increasingly among
    in the middle class.
  • 42:14 - 42:17
    We could pick some
    others that shift between
  • 42:17 - 42:21
    the defined benefit plan and
    the defined contribution plan,
  • 42:21 - 42:25
    for those of you who who keep
    up with the pension lingo.
  • 42:25 - 42:27
    What it basically means is the shift
  • 42:27 - 42:32
    so that you put in money,
    and you take the risk
  • 42:32 - 42:34
    of how long you'll live, that is,
  • 42:34 - 42:35
    whether or not you'll outlive your money
  • 42:35 - 42:39
    versus the defined benefit plan which is
  • 42:39 - 42:41
    you get a certain amount until you die.
  • 42:41 - 42:45
    We've moved very much to
    the former from the latter,
  • 42:45 - 42:47
    so you have a real chance to outlive.
  • 42:47 - 42:50
    Those are on the personal side.
  • 42:50 - 42:52
    If you take a look on the public side,
  • 42:52 - 42:56
    we've had the same kind of
    erosion of the safety net,
  • 42:56 - 42:59
    and that is unemployment benefits
  • 42:59 - 43:02
    no longer is a proportion of income,
  • 43:02 - 43:05
    are nearly as high as
    they were 30 years ago,
  • 43:05 - 43:08
    so they're not providing
    the same kind of safety.
  • 43:09 - 43:13
    I would make a pitch that what
    we pay for public education
  • 43:13 - 43:15
    to launch our children
    into the middle class
  • 43:16 - 43:18
    has eroded sharply.
  • 43:18 - 43:20
    And I'll make the pitch this way,
  • 43:20 - 43:21
    I'm giving you lots of different pieces
  • 43:21 - 43:24
    that we can talk about here,
    but here's the way it goes.
  • 43:25 - 43:30
    In 1970, it took 12
    years to educate a child
  • 43:30 - 43:32
    to go forward into the middle class.
  • 43:32 - 43:33
    How do I know that?
  • 43:33 - 43:36
    I know that from looking
    at Gallup polling data
  • 43:36 - 43:38
    about what parents
    thought it took to make it
  • 43:38 - 43:39
    in the middle class.
  • 43:39 - 43:42
    And the answer was a high school diploma,
  • 43:42 - 43:43
    a good work ethic,
  • 43:43 - 43:45
    there were parents who
    believed in college,
  • 43:45 - 43:47
    but they believed that you could make it
  • 43:47 - 43:50
    in the middle class with
    a high school diploma
  • 43:50 - 43:52
    and a willingness to work hard.
  • 43:52 - 43:54
    Roll that forward to the year 2002,
  • 43:56 - 43:58
    here's a great number for you,
  • 43:58 - 44:02
    twice as many people in America by 2002
  • 44:02 - 44:06
    believe that the moon
    shot landing was faked,
  • 44:07 - 44:11
    and they filmed in Burbank, California,
  • 44:12 - 44:15
    than believe you can make
    it into the middle class
  • 44:15 - 44:18
    in America without a college diploma.
  • 44:19 - 44:24
    Americans who differ on
    everything have adopted wholesale
  • 44:24 - 44:29
    in a single generation that
    there is a single ticket
  • 44:29 - 44:33
    to the middle class, and
    that is a college diploma.
  • 44:33 - 44:35
    Now, all by itself, would
    I be opposed to this?
  • 44:35 - 44:36
    Are you kidding?
  • 44:36 - 44:40
    I'm in the education biz,
    I think this is fabulous.
  • 44:40 - 44:41
    Everyone should go to college,
  • 44:41 - 44:43
    my dog should get a college education,
  • 44:43 - 44:47
    I'm for college educations,
    I think that's terrific.
  • 44:47 - 44:50
    The difference is when you
    look at middle class families,
  • 44:50 - 44:55
    if you needed 12 years back
    in 1970, taxpayer paid for it.
  • 44:55 - 44:57
    You got it all for free.
  • 44:57 - 45:00
    All you had to do was show
    up, live there and show up.
  • 45:01 - 45:05
    By the year 2000, if you
    need a college diploma,
  • 45:05 - 45:07
    you've gotta pay for it
    yourself, by and short.
  • 45:07 - 45:09
    Berkeley, other state supported schools,
  • 45:09 - 45:12
    I guess that means you guys
    are not paying any tuition?
  • 45:13 - 45:15
    Room, board, books, right?
  • 45:15 - 45:16
    It's not very much,
  • 45:16 - 45:18
    I guess you borrowed maybe a dollar or two
  • 45:19 - 45:20
    in order to do this,
  • 45:20 - 45:22
    but notice what that means,
  • 45:22 - 45:26
    it means the launch, what
    the parents have to do
  • 45:26 - 45:30
    to get this next generation in
    the middle class has shifted
  • 45:30 - 45:32
    from being something
    that everybody pays for,
  • 45:32 - 45:34
    the taxpayer pays for,
  • 45:34 - 45:38
    to something only the families
    with children are paying for.
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    I'll make the same point, by the way,
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    on the other end of
    the education spectrum.
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    In 1970, I actually went
    back and looked at this data,
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    it surprised me, almost no one
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    sent their children to preschool.
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    And in fact, if you go
    back and read the articles,
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    you read Dr. Spock from
    the 1970s editions,
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    1960s, 1970s editions,
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    they can play with the
    neighborhood children,
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    they'll be fine, and only a tiny fraction
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    of American children are in preschool.
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    Today, it's totally flipped.
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    Basically through all the education folks,
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    early childhood specialists,
    they are completely in for
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    children under two years have preschool.
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    And once again, who pays for
    the two years of preschool?
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    It's paid for by the family.
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    So one way you could look at this
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    is in the space of a generation,
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    we went from 12 years being
    enough to push that kid forward
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    to adding two more years, that's 14,
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    and four more years, that's
    18 years of education
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    in order to push those kids forward,
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    only the difference now
    is the family privately
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    pays for a third of the
    education themselves.
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    And we could have some great fun
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    with what the education costs.
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    Recently, it's been about three years ago,
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    Chicago, city of Chicago
    publicly supported
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    preschool programs, there was
    already some tax dollars in it
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    but the parents had to pay tuition.
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    I always loved this one,
    the tuition was larger
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    than the tuition at the
    University of Illinois.
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    That's what the parents were
    supposed to come up with
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    to put their three year
    old into the system
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    that was gonna get them the education
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    that was gonna get them
    ultimately launched
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    into the middle class.
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    So in that sense, we shrink
    part of what's available
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    to support families with children
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    so that they can move forward,
  • 47:29 - 47:32
    so they can launch this next generation.
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    So how have families responded to this?
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    This is where I said I'll come to
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    at least a little bit of my data here.
  • 47:37 - 47:39
    Let me tell you about bankruptcy.
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    What's happened with bankruptcy?
  • 47:42 - 47:43
    What this one's about,
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    I'll tell you what the
    bright colors on here,
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    this is about bankruptcy
    filing rates per thousand
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    in the population.
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    And this is in 200 and 2001,
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    I love this data, it's
    got 2003 on these data.
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    Married couples are the
    far one in the light blue,
  • 48:02 - 48:07
    about 7.4 married couples
    per 1,000 married couples,
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    so each is being within their own group,
  • 48:10 - 48:12
    filed for bankruptcy.
  • 48:12 - 48:16
    Unmarried men, about 6.3 per 1,000.
  • 48:16 - 48:21
    Unmarried women, about 7.2 per 1,000.
  • 48:21 - 48:24
    But the trick here for
    all three of these groups
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    is they are all childless groups.
  • 48:26 - 48:29
    So I've got them, all you've
    got them in their graphics,
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    they're couples, men,
    men alone, women alone,
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    and none of them have children.
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    These are the bankruptcy filing
    rates in the United States
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    in the early 2000s.
  • 48:39 - 48:41
    Now let's add in children.
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    Turquoise, again, is married couples,
  • 48:47 - 48:49
    only this time with children.
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    It's jumped, the filing rate
    has jumped to 15 per 1,000,
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    and among women heads of household,
  • 48:57 - 48:59
    no husband in the household,
  • 48:59 - 49:01
    it has jumped to 23 per 1,000.
  • 49:01 - 49:04
    You notice by the way,
    unmarried men with children
  • 49:04 - 49:06
    fall out statistically
    because there aren't enough
  • 49:06 - 49:10
    to be able to say something
    that's statistically valid
  • 49:10 - 49:12
    about what's going on here.
  • 49:12 - 49:17
    So what this one tells me is
    that families with children
  • 49:17 - 49:21
    are under enormous financial stress.
  • 49:21 - 49:24
    I watch them, I study them
    from the bankruptcy end
  • 49:24 - 49:26
    of the spectrum which
    is where they end up,
  • 49:26 - 49:28
    and let me tell you a little bit about
  • 49:28 - 49:30
    why they file for bankruptcy.
  • 49:30 - 49:35
    90% of those families file
    for one of three reasons;
  • 49:36 - 49:40
    Job loss, medical problem in the family,
  • 49:40 - 49:43
    sometimes the wage
    earner, sometimes a child,
  • 49:44 - 49:46
    or family breakup, either
    a death in the family
  • 49:46 - 49:48
    or a divorce in the family.
  • 49:48 - 49:50
    In fact, nearly half the families
  • 49:50 - 49:53
    have at least two of those three,
  • 49:53 - 49:57
    and about 20% have been
    hit by three out of three.
  • 49:59 - 50:02
    That's how it is that
    they end up in bankruptcy.
  • 50:02 - 50:05
    Now let me give you an idea
    of what these numbers mean
  • 50:05 - 50:08
    so I can put it in a little
    bit different context.
  • 50:08 - 50:10
    These families that are
    filing for bankruptcy,
  • 50:10 - 50:15
    families with children,
    more children live in homes
  • 50:15 - 50:20
    that will file for bankruptcy this year
  • 50:20 - 50:23
    than live in homes that
    will file for divorce.
  • 50:24 - 50:26
    That is, there are more
    children in America,
  • 50:26 - 50:29
    and this has been true by
    the way since the late 1990s,
  • 50:29 - 50:32
    every year, more children
    are going through
  • 50:32 - 50:35
    their parents' bankruptcy
    than are going through
  • 50:35 - 50:37
    their parents' divorce.
  • 50:37 - 50:39
    So let me say that to you a different way.
  • 50:39 - 50:40
    You know anybody who
    got divorced any time,
  • 50:40 - 50:42
    say in the last six or seven years,
  • 50:43 - 50:46
    you know some children who live in homes
  • 50:46 - 50:48
    where mom and dad have split up,
  • 50:49 - 50:53
    then you, statistically
    speaking, know more,
  • 50:53 - 50:55
    random cross-sections of America,
  • 50:55 - 50:58
    you know more who went bankrupt.
  • 50:58 - 51:00
    Why do you think you don't
    know more that went bankrupt?
  • 51:00 - 51:02
    And that's because you can't hide divorce,
  • 51:02 - 51:04
    but you can sure hide bankruptcy.
  • 51:04 - 51:06
    And that's what people have done.
  • 51:06 - 51:08
    There's an enormous stigma
  • 51:08 - 51:10
    attached to filing for bankruptcy.
  • 51:10 - 51:13
    When we interviewed the families
  • 51:13 - 51:16
    who had filed for
    bankruptcy, quite frankly,
  • 51:16 - 51:20
    I was shameless about
    this, we paid them $50
  • 51:20 - 51:24
    if they would take extensive
    telephone surveys for us
  • 51:24 - 51:28
    about bankruptcy, and so we
    got very high response rates,
  • 51:28 - 51:30
    but one of the key things
    we learned early on
  • 51:30 - 51:34
    is that people would
    say, "Don't use the word,
  • 51:34 - 51:36
    "partly because I can't bear to hear it,
  • 51:36 - 51:38
    "and partly because I'm
    afraid the child will pick up
  • 51:38 - 51:40
    "an extension phone, or
    someone will walk into the room
  • 51:40 - 51:45
    "and hear me say it, and we
    don't want anyone to know."
  • 51:45 - 51:50
    About 85% of the families that
    were filing for bankruptcy
  • 51:50 - 51:54
    were hiding it from their own
    parents, from their siblings,
  • 51:54 - 51:56
    from their best friends,
    and in some cases,
  • 51:56 - 51:58
    from their own children.
  • 51:59 - 52:02
    Many of them said they had other stories.
  • 52:02 - 52:04
    Yeah, they were giving up the house,
  • 52:04 - 52:06
    and moving in with Bob's mom
  • 52:06 - 52:09
    because Bob's mom's health was not good.
  • 52:10 - 52:12
    Yeah, that's a story you can tell.
  • 52:12 - 52:14
    "We're moving across country
  • 52:14 - 52:16
    "because there are better
    job opportunities."
  • 52:16 - 52:18
    Yeah, they're moving across country
  • 52:18 - 52:20
    hoping they can get a job,
  • 52:20 - 52:24
    but going to live in rather
    reduced circumstances.
  • 52:24 - 52:28
    So those are the families who
    are filing for bankruptcy,
  • 52:28 - 52:31
    in part, the reflection of what's happened
  • 52:31 - 52:33
    to this safety net.
  • 52:33 - 52:34
    So I just want to wrap this up
  • 52:34 - 52:37
    and open it up for some
    questions and answers
  • 52:38 - 52:42
    because I just want to make
    three or four big points
  • 52:42 - 52:44
    at the end here about about
    what we're talking about
  • 52:44 - 52:48
    with these families in financial trouble.
  • 52:48 - 52:50
    First I want to make is
    a point about the poor.
  • 52:51 - 52:56
    I've hammered on the middle
    class over and over and over,
  • 52:56 - 53:00
    and I've done it because for
    everybody who cares about
  • 53:00 - 53:02
    poor families in America,
  • 53:02 - 53:05
    you should be riveted on these data.
  • 53:05 - 53:09
    Middle class families under
    enormous economic stress
  • 53:09 - 53:11
    have fewer resources to give
  • 53:11 - 53:12
    when we talk about how it is
  • 53:12 - 53:15
    that we're going to help the poor.
  • 53:15 - 53:19
    More importantly, they frankly
    have less appetite to give,
  • 53:19 - 53:21
    when they see themselves
    as already stretched,
  • 53:21 - 53:23
    when they see themselves
    facing foreclosure notices
  • 53:23 - 53:27
    and bill collectors, they back off.
  • 53:27 - 53:31
    And more critically, a middle
    class that looks like this,
  • 53:31 - 53:34
    a middle class where people are
    falling out and into poverty
  • 53:34 - 53:39
    is a middle class that has
    less room to bring the poor up
  • 53:39 - 53:42
    and provide them the opportunities
    to join the middle class.
  • 53:42 - 53:44
    I think people who talk
    about the intractability
  • 53:44 - 53:47
    of poverty now are absolutely right,
  • 53:47 - 53:50
    there are social issues
    far beyond my expertise,
  • 53:50 - 53:54
    but this is an element of it
    that no one's talking about.
  • 53:54 - 53:56
    There's no place for the poor to go,
  • 53:56 - 53:59
    and not much help coming
    from the middle class today
  • 53:59 - 54:01
    compared with even a generation ago.
  • 54:02 - 54:04
    The second point I want to make about
  • 54:04 - 54:06
    what these data speak to me about
  • 54:06 - 54:10
    is that I fear we're moving
    from a three class society
  • 54:10 - 54:12
    to a two class society.
  • 54:13 - 54:17
    America has always been
    sort of one of those
  • 54:17 - 54:21
    perfect distributions,
    some poor, some rich,
  • 54:21 - 54:25
    and a big, big solid middle class
  • 54:25 - 54:28
    stuck right there in the middle.
  • 54:28 - 54:30
    Americans identify with the middle class,
  • 54:32 - 54:33
    it affects our democracy,
  • 54:33 - 54:35
    it's part of what gives us
    our political stability,
  • 54:35 - 54:38
    it's what affects our economy
    and drives our economy,
  • 54:38 - 54:40
    it affects our self-identity,
  • 54:40 - 54:42
    it affects who we are in this world,
  • 54:42 - 54:44
    but I fear that what's happening
  • 54:44 - 54:45
    and what these data are about
  • 54:45 - 54:49
    is that we actually are gonna
    see a larger upper class.
  • 54:49 - 54:54
    We're seeing, not just the rich
    rich, but the sort of rich,
  • 54:54 - 54:58
    the ones who have the same
    jobs, bringing in two incomes,
  • 54:58 - 55:01
    who don't get sick, who don't lose a job,
  • 55:01 - 55:03
    who in that income volatility,
  • 55:03 - 55:05
    and the things that go
    wrong in the medical world,
  • 55:05 - 55:08
    who don't divorce, who don't
    have a death in the family,
  • 55:08 - 55:11
    who don't hit any of life's bumps,
  • 55:11 - 55:12
    they stay with the upper group.
  • 55:12 - 55:14
    They put away some savings,
  • 55:14 - 55:17
    they don't get deep in debt, they do okay,
  • 55:17 - 55:22
    and then the rest is just
    one long trail of underclass
  • 55:22 - 55:26
    that stays on a constant debt treadmill.
  • 55:26 - 55:27
    Sometimes it's a little more,
  • 55:27 - 55:30
    sometimes it's a little
    less, but never out of debt,
  • 55:30 - 55:32
    never any real economic security.
  • 55:32 - 55:34
    I could change my metaphors,
  • 55:34 - 55:35
    people who are just costantly living
  • 55:35 - 55:37
    on the edge of a clif,
  • 55:37 - 55:40
    some falling over, some
    scratching back up a little,
  • 55:40 - 55:44
    but never with the kind of security
  • 55:44 - 55:48
    that for the first three
    quarters of a century,
  • 55:48 - 55:51
    were associated with being middle class.
  • 55:51 - 55:54
    I worry about what that means.
  • 55:54 - 55:57
    I worry that the middle class,
  • 55:57 - 55:59
    which used to mean solid and boring
  • 55:59 - 56:04
    and not worth studying, only
    worth making fun of, you know,
  • 56:04 - 56:07
    "My parents were hopelessly
    middle class", sort of remarks,
  • 56:08 - 56:12
    that that's kept us from seeing a problem
  • 56:12 - 56:15
    in the middle class that threatens
  • 56:15 - 56:18
    not just these families with
    children that I've identified,
  • 56:18 - 56:22
    but really threatens the
    fabric of our country.
  • 56:23 - 56:26
    We have a middle class today
    that is newly weakened,
  • 56:27 - 56:32
    and I think what this means
    is that it's time to realign
  • 56:32 - 56:37
    both our academic and our
    political interests and alliances
  • 56:38 - 56:40
    to talk more about what's
    happening to these families.
  • 56:40 - 56:42
    So with that, I'm gonna quit,
  • 56:42 - 56:44
    and take as many questions as people have.
  • 56:44 - 56:48
    (audience applauding)
  • 56:48 - 56:50
    (dramatic music)
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