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    ♪I won't lie I was terrified
    when the doctor said those words♪
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    ♪My feet went from beneath me
    could not believe what I just heard♪
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    ♪If I judged my condition
    from what I saw on television♪
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    ♪I'd give up♪
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    S1 944 ,000 people are estimated to be
    currently living with dementia in the UK
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    Dementia killed almost double
    the number of women than men in 2020
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    Dementia has been the leading cause of death
    in women since 2011
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    9% of people over 65 have dementia.
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    Dementia will impact 50% of us
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    either through a personal diagnosis or
    by caring for someone who has it.
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    1.6 million people will be living
    with dementia in the UK by 2040
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    Dementia is the most feared
    health condition by 60% of people over 65.
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    Dementia care costs in Northern Ireland
    are projected to increase 192%
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    from 800 million in 2019
    to 2.4 billion in 2040.
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    Wayfinding in unfamiliar places
    can be more challenging
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    for people living with dementia.
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    Environment may affect people living
    with dementia more than most.
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    Noisy and chaotic spaces can feel
    disorientating and overwhelming,
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    may increase anxiety or frustration,
    causing changes in behaviour.
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    Everyday life for people living
    with dementia can be exhausting
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    though it may not be obvious to you.
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    It takes longer for people living
    with dementia to process information.
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    Our brains have to work harder
    to filter out external stimuli
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    often leaving us feeling depleted,
    exhausted and spent.
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    This makes our symptoms of dementia
    more evident.
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    74,000 800 people are estimated
    to be living with young onset dementia
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    in the UK and Ireland
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    Young onset dementia is when symptoms
    of dementia start before the age of 65
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    Dementia NI members formed a working group
    in 2022
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    that included eight individuals
    living with dementia like me,
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    supported by four staff members
    working collaboratively together:
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    one from dementia NI
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    and three from the Southern and Southeast
    Health and Social Care Trusts.
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    The members of dementia NI are always
    looking for opportunities to engage
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    with hospital and social care staff
    to describe what it's like
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    to live with dementia and to share
    with them our challenges as well as ways
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    we can best be supported in both
    clinical and hospital environments.
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    However, speaking to every trust member
    in person is an impossible task.
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    So we decided to create a documentary
    to help us interact
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    with members of the Health and Social Care
    services to help bridge this gap.
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    Over the course of 22 months we met
    regularly to decide the content
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    of this film, sharing our own personal
    experiences across the spectrum,
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    both positive and challenging experiences.
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    We thought it would be beneficial
    to provide staff with 10 top tips
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    for supporting people like us
    living with dementia.
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    We believe these these practices
    can be easily implemented
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    without adding an extra burden to staff
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    and will lead to an improved
    staff-patient interaction
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    and in the long run will save time;
    Many people have commented:
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    "What is good for people living
    with dementia is good for everyone."
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    And we the members of dementia NI
    are sure you will find this to be so too.
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    We know you will find the following
    individual experiences engaging
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    even if somewhat emotional at times,
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    and that you will be able to put some
    of the practical tips into action
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    [Introducing members of Dementia NI --
    the producers of this training resource --
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    and their experiences within health and
    social care settings]
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    S2 I'm Davie Michael McElhinney
    from County Fermanagh
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    I was diagnosed with
    frontal temporal dementia 7 years ago
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    I was aged 54.
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    S3 My name is Martin Murtagh
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    My dementia is Alzheimer's dementia
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    S4 So my name is Peter Alexander
    I was born in England, Twickenham,
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    so the good old rugby place.
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    S5 My name is Gerard Doran, I was
    diagnosed with dementia when I was 61.
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    S6 Yes, I'm Christopher Higgins
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    and my dementia was discovered
    just two years ago.
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    S7 Yes, my name's Allison,
    Allison Bachelor, I live in Dundonald
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    and was diagnosed with Alzheimer's
    in April 2017
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    S8 I'm a newly diagnosed person
    with dementia.
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    My past knowledge of dementia was
    that I was a social worker in hospital
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    S9 Hi, my name is Tom, Tom Heatly,
    and
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    I have dementia, I've been diagnosed
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    with dementia with Lewy bodies
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    that was back about just over a year now.
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    Treat us with common courtesy.
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    S8 Treat us with respect,
    as valued, capable adults
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    Be aware of your facial expression,
    tone of voice
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    and your non-verbal communication
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    And when the students came, they said:
    "Oh I see here this person has dementia,
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    I don't know how to speak to dementia."
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    And I think that is the problem.
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    They think they're speaking
    to the dementia.
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    But I always said to them: "So what
    if they have dementia?
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    speak to the person first.
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    You will hear a little bit when they reply
    about de the way they are affected,
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    but just keep speaking to the person
    behind the dementia
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    because it's the person
    you want to talk to.
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    S9 Basically you talk about
    valuing an individual.
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    In all those years that I have been
    a trainer in the trust,
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    basic values are the primary
    important factor
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    S4 What I would say, yes:
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    if I was to write a book from a person
    who has dementia,
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    it would be to say I'm hurting inside too.
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    I might not be able to express it,
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    but I'm still the same person as I was
    when I was younger.
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    I am still that today,
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    it's just that the person I am is getting
    locked away more and more inside me.
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    So don't treat me any differently.
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    I'm still the same person as I was
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    even though you might have
    some preconceived ideas
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    that because I got dementia,
    I'm an incontinent old person.
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    but I'm not: I was diagnosed
    at the age of 49
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    and at that time I was told that
    I shouldn't work anymore
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    and that I shouldn't drive anymore
    because of my judgment being impaired.
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    S8 Give us time
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    We need more time to process than you.
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    Allow us to respond before you move on.
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    Don't bombard us with questions.
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    S? We're just normal human beings with
    a good mind
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    and just normal people.
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    The dementia does bring up
    different problems,
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    you know, such a speech: now my speech,
    while I'm sitting here talking to you,
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    there's -- words just disappear
    out of my vocabulary
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    and that's why you could see me
    struggling there a couple of wee bits
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    that's because a normal
    conversational word
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    whenever it disappears I have to fish
    for another word that will fit
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    in the slot in this place,
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    but your mind's going around like
    a washing machine
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    and it can't pick the words out sometimes.
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    S? Yeah it still sticks with me that
    that day I felt very rushed
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    and uh it was very blunt.
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    There's no easy way to deliver bad news
    but it was very very blunt I thought
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    and we left with no information at all
    that Friday afternoon.
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    We went out for the weekend
    and with absolutely nothing.
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    I thought, I thought with only weeks
    to live after that, you know.
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    So I did and I think more time
    would have helped
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    and maybe a bit more compassion
    with the, from the consultant.
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    S8 Don't make assumptions about us.
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    Don't presume you know what we want,
    feel or need
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    or what we might be able to understand
    or decide.
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    Discuss us with us directly.
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    Give our loved ones the "This is me"
    person-centered document
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    to help you care for me effectively.
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    S? Yeah I had gone to a local
    ANE (?) Department.
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    This would be a few years ago now.
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    And I had said to the nurse who had after
    gone through from triage, you know,
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    been called into the back area, you know,
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    to be waiting to be seen by a doctor
    and to have
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    some sort of bloods or whatever done,
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    and I had said to her that I had
    dementia diagnosis
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    and she instantly dismissed it and told me
    "Just tell the doctor" and walked away.
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    And I have to say that put me
    into a bit of a panic mode
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    because I sort of thought,
    I didn't feel safe then,
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    I sort of thought that she should
    have taken a wee bit of time,
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    even just by saying:
    "Okay we've taken note of that
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    but if you need us to go to the toilet or
    if you need any help with anything,
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    you know, just give one of us a shout."
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    But I sort of felt it wasn't
    taken seriously,
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    that it, and I thought it was something,
    that she did need to know, you know,
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    I thought it was something that
    she had needed to take note of
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    and to be aware of and, you know,
    as I say, I just sort of felt
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    a bit more unsafe than if
    had have been given a wee bit of time
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    cuz I sort of thought if I need
    to go to the toilet
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    or I need, you know, who do I say to,
    I didn't feel after that
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    I could say to any other nurse
    who came in to to me:
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    "By the way, I have a dementia diagnosis"
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    because of the way she had treated me.
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    S? I learned more about dementia
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    I worked with people who were
    true professionals,
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    who were truly impressive
    in their approaches
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    and who helped me so much
    to identify what I could do
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    as opposed to all the all these things
    that I couldn't do.
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    S? Notes help us to remember.
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    Provide written information
    using jargon-free language
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    to help us to understand.
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    Help us to keep notes so that
    we can keep track of what is happening.
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    S? For example when I attended a hospital,
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    I needed to meet an individual staff
    member who was fairly aware of dementia
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    and helped me support
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    on a regular basis throughout my stay
    especially with regards to
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    explaining and noting the key aspects
    of my appointment
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    and how to cope well in the ward itself
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    S? So if you have someone who has dementia
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    ensure that you are making clear
    to the individual what is being discussed,
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    what is being agreed,
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    and that there is someone with them
    that can either take notes for them
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    if they do not have the ability
    to make clear
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    any decisions that are taken,
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    to make clear anything that has been,
    that has been discussed
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    S? Environment may affect us more than you
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    The environment we are in
    affects us more than you.
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    Provide a calming environment
    and opportunities to engage
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    in activities that mean something to us.
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    Use person_centered tools like
    "This is me" to find out more about me,
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    to tailor activities to meet my needs,
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    specifically designed quiet places
    and murals can help.
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    S? There are also important issues
    regarding how the building itself looks.
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    unfamiliar surroundings, noises and
    busy unclear spaces can be challenging
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    and lead the agitation and confusion.
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    it's important for a dementia person
    to have an individual space
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    away from others, I think.
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    Navigation and way finding
    is also important
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    and it is helpful to have
    appropriate signs.
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    Ideally they should be slightly large,
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    with clear words placed
    at face level and not too high
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    Murals and painting can also be helpful,
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    ideally colors that aren't too dark,
    such as red and green
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    I recently found it difficult to find
    tight uh, toilet near my bed
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    until the Staff member helped me find it
    as it didn't have a sign.
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    S? But the biggest thing would be
    disorientation and confusion, you know,
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    of coming out of a room and knowing
    which way to turn and what way to go
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    and that's why for me signage is vital,
    you know, in all situations
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    and if there's good signage
    I'm much more confident
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    and I can live much more independently
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    but I would describe my head
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    as like a washing machine you know of so
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    much G through and try
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    to process things you know that would be
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    the biggest
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    challenge it's it's even more confusing
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    cuz you're already not well you know
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    you're already worried about what's
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    going on why you're there uh and the
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    noise and you know yourself anybody is
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    sort of in an particularly in an NA
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    Department there's so much banging and
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    cluttering and there's noise going on
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    either side of you in front of you
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    behind you you know there's so many
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    conversations going on uh you know quite
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    often you're planted quite close to the
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    nursery station because there's no
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    cubicles um you know and there's all the
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    noise and all the movements sort going
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    on that and it it can become very very
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    confusing and uh you know it's a hard
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    thing to process any information and
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    then when they come to speak to you you
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    know there's so much noise going on
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    there's so much backgr noise
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    and conversations going on around you
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    that is hard to process what actually
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    been said to you whereas again a very
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    simple thing would be to have somewhere
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    that once they know you have a dementia
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    diagnosis and to ask the person you know
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    what can we do to help and I think most
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    people would say if I could have a quiet
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    room to have whenever the doctor's
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    talking to me I think that would make a
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    big difference you know you would sort
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    of know that during that important time
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    when you're meant to be able to take
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    information in you know that they would
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    take you somewhere that that could
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    happen easier than it does in the busy
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    any
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    Department it was again with I mention
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    in hospitals it was a new hospital
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    absolutely
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    beautiful like an into a very Swanky
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    hotel but you go in there you're not
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    coming back out there is no signage
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    anywhere and the every Corridor looks
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    exactly the same and you sort of have to
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    go up in the left and go long a bit then
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    go down and a left and go long a bit and
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    then come back up again you know um
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    because of the waya they intertwined and
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    as I say you can out have a lift but
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    there's no signage to tell you to turn
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    left turn right or what way to go you
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    know and that was a horrible
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    experience well I have had the
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    experience of um going into Hospital
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    under an am with an ambulance J in the
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    times of
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    covid
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    and the ambulance team were fantastic
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    cuz they were aware of my challenges
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    they thought I had a triple A um but it
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    actually turned out to be kidney stones
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    but when they took me into the hospital
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    rather than just sitting
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    there in the general area they
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    accelerated my Passage through to being
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    on a a bed in one of the cubicles
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    because they knew that with my
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    behavioral variant of of of of of the
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    dementia of the the FTD the frontal
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    temporal dementia that my filters had
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    disappeared I would say things as I felt
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    about them I would swear which I
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    wouldn't have done in the past but
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    frustration the feeling of not being
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    able to express yourself as as I once
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    did these things lead to just filterless
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    behaviors and it's not that you're being
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    unkind or nasty to the staff it's just
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    how things come across so it's important
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    that the staff in that environment build
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    a rapport with the patient build the
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    trust and the confidence where they can
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    exchange freely and
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    happily and the second time I um
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    developed culat my eye and I went to the
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    ation first of all it was late on in the
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    evening and uh he he rang the casualty
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    to say expect me so they were expecting
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    it and again they knew at that time I
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    was living with the Mana so the uh
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    consultant actually saw me and the the
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    emergency department was very busy so
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    she actually took me to a very quiet
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    place away from the the emergency
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    department and they did all all the had
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    to do at that time
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    and her care and even the nursing care
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    was was was was first class at that time
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    with really noise and and a lot of
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    people yeah I find people's faces just
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    blur and the noise just it really
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    scrambles my brain I can't think or
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    focus on anything with with noise a
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    quiet place would be ideal yeah
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    yeah assume we have capacity don't make
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    assumptions about our level of capacity
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    or ability to engage in our care
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    planning and decision
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    making I may not have capacity to make
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    every decision but there will be some
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    decisions I can still make and want to
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    make don't speak to our family members
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    and ignore us speak directly to us first
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    and allow us to defer to our support
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    person if we need to
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    ask me what you
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    need what sorry I would want them to ask
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    me what I needed or wanted not to
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    presume they know because they might
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    have had somebody in earlier that day or
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    the day before or the week before with
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    the dementia diagnosis he needs
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    something different to what I would need
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    you know so I would always say you
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    know treat that person as an individual
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    and find out what you can do that will
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    make them them more comfortable feel
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    safer and and in the turn that will ease
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    your workload because if the person with
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    the dementia diagnosis feels relaxed and
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    feels at ease they're less likely to be
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    given hustle or be kicking off about
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    something I'm a sitting in the outside
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    wetting room when she asked me could it
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    come into the room and I SP to you if
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    you want your son to come in you can
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    come and I says no I'll just going
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    myself and when I went into the room she
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    was going shook my hand and says to me
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    Martin I'm sorry to tell you I'm not
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    sure the exact words but you have
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    Alzheimer's
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    dementia well you're you're taken back
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    you're just shock she says you want me
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    to get your son bring him in and I I
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    says no not definitely not to my son I
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    get my sons together when to go home and
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    I'll tell them when to go home I got
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    them settled down and things I says look
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    I feel gr I still feel the same thing
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    I'm still your daddy I'm still the thing
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    and I'm still get carrying on and two of
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    my sons are two
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    M Twins and there there we go oh God not
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    be able to tell him anything now not
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    keep a secret he can't keep anything but
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    it was it was good the experience was
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    good be aware of our details don't make
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    us repeat our story multiple times it
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    makes us feel like we are being tested
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    Ed read your colleagues assessments
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    repeating information is
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    exhausting for us yeah again I think
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    that's it you know the nurse comes in
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    you see the nurse and Tre eyes you tell
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    them the story you then see whoever you
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    move to into the cubicles or into the
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    back bit of the any you tell them your
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    story the doctor then comes in or a
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    doctor comes in and you tell them it but
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    there may be not the particular doctor
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    you need to see if it's something
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    specific you're there for you know if it
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    was for example something to do with
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    your heart you know you would get a
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    general doctor come in talk oh you need
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    to you know we need to get something
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    done from Cardiology or whatever they
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    can die and you have to repeat the whole
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    thing again uh and that can become quite
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    frustrating and you sort of think you
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    know can you not read you know can you
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    not actually look at the notes that have
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    been taken um 10 times beforehand uh and
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    you s of are they're trying to trick you
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    right here you know trying to get you to
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    say something different to what you had
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    said before I think it is I think it's a
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    challenge you know because as I say by
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    you're that stage you're already in a
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    real state of confusion and panic
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    and um a bit more unsettled you know so
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    to be asked the same story over again
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    can become very frustrating and I think
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    at times in I think you can become a bit
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    sharper than maybe that what you would
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    normally be but it's because you sort of
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    you're fed up with the length of time
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    you sort of have sitting there probably
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    waiting anyway and you haven't seen
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    anybody and then the next person come
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    say ask the exactly the same question
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    again you s think like this has moved on
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    nowhere you know you
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    haven't you know you're asking me what
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    the person asked me two hours ago but
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    you're doing nothing different but yes I
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    think it is a challenge you know with I
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    think it's a challenge for anybody but I
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    think for somebody with a dementia
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    diagnosis yesterday is more of a
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    challenge you use Clear
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    language if you are going to perform an
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    intervention talk to us
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    beforehand and explain each step in
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    clear words or with gestures if our
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    understanding is very
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    limited give us
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    time explaining the procedure will help
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    us to
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    participate if I need reassurance
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    reassure me I'm not saying you have to
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    have dementia to understand it what I'm
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    saying is what I said to students is
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    take it easy at the beginning don't
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    bombard them with a rapid release of
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    questions and don't L link questions
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    together make the subject if it is
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    driving something like
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    that say are you driving your
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    car wait for the answer and then if they
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    say no I'm not then you can discuss it
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    with them but I think if you go into
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    something you know it only makes them I
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    can't interrupt this but I don't agree
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    with her so very gently say l thank you
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    very much for coming to talk to me and I
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    know very little uh about how you're
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    feeling at the moment so can you tell me
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    how you felt when you got your diagnosis
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    what went before did you think you had
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    dementia and how you felt when you
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    actually were told you have
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    dementia makes a
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    difference Health and Social Care
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    staff working with any form of
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    dementia
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    need to
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    communicate
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    clearly with any
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    individual with any form of
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    dementia they
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    need to give clear
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    instructions their need
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    to
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    ensure that
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    people with whom they are
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    working
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    have a clear
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    understanding of
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    what is being
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    discussed and that they
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    have made clear
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    here
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    exactly what is being
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    shared what is being
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    said maintain our confidentiality and
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    dignity share information with us
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    sensitively and take into
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    consideration our confidentiality
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    privacy and dignity are
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    important we may not want other patients
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    visitors to know we have
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    dementia yeah within the hold of
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    dementia I find myself falling apart I
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    find
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    myself
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    unable to be the person I was
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    to
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    communicate the
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    way I should be able to
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    communicate I
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    lost my
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    skills I lost a lot
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    of what was
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    what being
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    me as a
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    person
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    was I
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    was I was
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    lost well for for myself or anybody of
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    the just P his like hard if I come in as
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    a
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    patient they don't know why I've got the
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    Mana unless I tell them I've got the
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    Mana don't don't have me
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    to have to say that I've got the Manion
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    just treat me where courtesy of of think
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    most most sitting rooms in the hospital
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    you know are like they're Havoc if it
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    comes to a thing many of places been in
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    I've turned around and says look I'm in
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    the early stages of the Mana could you
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    give me a we bit of time
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    here and just things get mixed up for I
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    think could just if my name would come
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    up in that
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    computer without me having to say and
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    200 people or 100 people behind me
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    listening he's got the Mana list he's
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    different it's different just just come
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    up on the computer they made away they
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    know they I've got the Mana where we're
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    just talking about a blue heart or
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    purple or something like that and see
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    what were the attitude changes that
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    those change have used are have used our
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    we th card or we IDE I've used to be
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    smart card not the smart card uh JN card
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    I've used the JN card the difference
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    those things make and change people's
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    attitude it's wonderful wonderful
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    provide a support
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    person having a designated support
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    person can help to keep us calm and
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    reassured one key person who supports us
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    through our stay makes a huge difference
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    to our Hospital experience I had to go
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    and get an operation to take out a tumor
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    on my
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    leg and uh it was quite difficult
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    because the specialist even though she
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    was uh taking the the tumor out she was
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    quite um a lot of words that she was
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    using was very difficult for me to
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    understand because they were quite
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    Technical and she then got a a a young
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    nurse to come in and help me because she
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    also knocked me out for six hours she
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    put me asleep for 6 hours where she was
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    on a lot of things she was help the the
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    the other lady was helping me she met me
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    I was there for about um a full full day
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    overnight
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    and that young lady was a major help to
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    me in the hospital because she helped me
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    even write down my words she helped me
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    even find places and she also said uh
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    even tomorrow when you go home now that
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    you've been operated this is what you do
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    so even though the specialist operated
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    me well that lady was a massive helper
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    she made the difference and I I because
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    I spoke to the specialist and you even
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    use my card and said I know you're going
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    to help me but I've got Alzheimer's and
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    I need someone to talk to me that give
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    me advice and um because some of the
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    things you've said you're going to do I
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    haven't really understood fully what's
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    going to happen or even how I help
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    myself so and when that other lady came
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    in she was massively helpful to me
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    possibly like other people with Dem
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    Mantia I find that sometimes the
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    difficult to understand if I haven't
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    heard about things for a while so that
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    other lady was a bit more explaining and
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    also helped me make notes to write down
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    a great understanding of what was going
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    to happen to me and particularly how I
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    dealt with myself the next few days when
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    I got home having that interface between
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    the
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    consultant and also uh uh uh uh the
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    patient with that specialist nurse was
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    invaluable and that I think is something
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    which can be really helpful to other
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    people one thing that I would insist
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    [Music]
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    on would be
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    that I
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    had someone with
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    me that I trust
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    someone with me
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    that
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    could be
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    there
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    to like say I would either be taking my
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    own
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    notes that's another thing I'd lost my
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    writing skills i' had lost I mean
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    as well as losing my
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    verbosity I had
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    lost my ability to
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    write and I have been practicing
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    writing just to get myself back off to
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    speed to be able
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    to communicate effectively
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    I've also been
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    reading a
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    lot to try
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    and ensure that my communication
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    is as it should
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    be as I consider it should
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    be cuz I'm a hard
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    Taskmaster the following scene is based
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    on our real life
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    experiences of poor health care
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    interactions
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    [Music]
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    without a clear
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    introduction we may feel rushed or
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    panicked unsure of what is
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    happening which may unnecessarily
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    increase our
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    anxiety and generate unexpected
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    [Music]
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    reactions insufficient support with wayf
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    finding could leave us disoriented ated
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    and
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    Confused ultimately reducing our powers
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    of
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    concentration for the following
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    [Music]
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    appointment disorganized and chaotic
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    clinical space may be distracting or
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    overwhelming for us reducing ability to
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    focus and
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    communicate not explaining procedures or
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    interventions clearly in advance can
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    cause us upset or
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    distress especially as our dementia
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    advances not explaining next steps in
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    advance increases our
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    anxiety and
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    [Music]
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    confusion uh Hazel and baby is that
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    right yeah I'm
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    Dr tonight
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    without a clear and full
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    introduction we may not realize the
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    purpose of the
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    appointment
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    um no I'm not I'm not really seeing
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    anything there there's no results back
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    just yet poor positioning can hinder
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    effective communication with
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    us not to
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    good we'll maybe asking as repetitive
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    questions without
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    context can make us feel like we are
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    being
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    tested speaking to a carer instead of
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    directly to us shows a presumption about
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    our
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    capacity the following scene is based on
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    our real life experiences of positive
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    healthc care interaction
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    [Music]
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    thank you
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    [Music]
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    the consultant comes okay and I'll F
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    this across the H yeah all
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    right there we go like the wait the
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    consultant will be right in through the
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    door thank you
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    how are you I'm Dr sville I'm one of the
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    Consultants it's nice to meet you it's
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    Davey is that right Dave yeah Davey I I
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    haven't met you before um I understand
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    that you're you're here to talk about
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    some results that's right is that
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    correct be okay yeah sure I I haven't
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    been to doing too bad been keeping busy
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    and very
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    active so I do and uh yeah just keep
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    keep busy okay okay how have you been
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    sleeping recently sleep's been a bit on
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    off um but uh I always get caught up
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    sometimes away quite early right but uh
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    I can get caught up the next night okay
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    and what time would you go to bed at
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    roughly normally try half time 11:00 um
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    probably a bit overeen of anything right
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    I started sweet stuff I Can't Get Enough
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    at the whatever's uh going on you know
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    right okay and then just about some of
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    your medications um has anything changed
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    recently at all no they've kept it
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    they kept the medication as it is right
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    we can maybe spend a bit more time
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    looking at well really not not too bad
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    just how how how do you see things
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    progressing for for myself okay okay so
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    if you've got that Rapport it makes a
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    real difference and show appreciation
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    cuz the staff do an amazing thing and in
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    very difficult environment and I have to
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    say thank you to the nursing staff and
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    to the medics who do take such good care
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    of
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    us thank you for staying with us
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    throughout this
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    documentary we hope it has provided you
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    with a deeper understanding of what it
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    is like to live with dementia and has
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    offered practical tips that you can now
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    put into
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    practice finally a big thank you from
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    all the members at dementa ni for the
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    work that you do
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    that has a positive impact on the daily
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    lives of real people like
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    us matter have to assume we have
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    capacity mhm is that the size of my
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    bladder the size of my
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    nose those words my feet went from
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    beneath me could not believe what I
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    [Music]
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    I I
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    saw I
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    give it's a slippy R but I keep my feet
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    bled I have the strength to hold the C
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    I've been
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    handed If I Stumble if my feet fall or
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    if I need
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    assistance I know the journey is long
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    but it's so wor
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    that my voice is mind I don't need
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    someone to say what's on my mind though
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    the love I have to help me is the best
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    that you could find and I worry for my
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    loved ones cuz the future is so wonder I
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    stay strong
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    it's
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    ay but I keep
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    my I have the strength to hold the C
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    I've been
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    handed If I Stumble my feet fall or if I
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    need some assistance I know the journey
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    long
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    but it's the wor that distance
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    [Music]
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    [Music]
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    I found my
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    place surrounded by
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    faces who understand
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    me our worries and
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    fears so disappear after
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    [Music]
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    Aver and a warm cup of tea
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