Sexual diversity in nature: Joan Roughgarden at TEDxAmazonia
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0:22 - 0:23Thank you very much!
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0:23 - 0:27I'm Joan Roughgarden
and I'm a biologist, -
0:27 - 0:33and I'm here to talk about the evolution
of gender and sexuality. -
0:34 - 0:40And, the reason I'm doing this is
that I attended my first Gay Pride Parade -
0:41 - 0:43in San Francisco
about 12 years ago, -
0:43 - 0:47and when I was there I noticed
this huge number of people -
0:47 - 0:52all of whom, biology said
were somehow defective. -
0:52 - 0:58I thought that maybe it's not the people
that are defective, -
0:58 - 1:01but is biology that's defective.
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1:01 - 1:05And, that began an investigation
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1:05 - 1:08into the extent of variation
in gender and sexuality -
1:08 - 1:14which appeared in Evolution's Rainbow
the first of the two books -
1:14 - 1:16that are on the screen here.
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1:16 - 1:20Now, the issue
from a biologist point of view -
1:20 - 1:24with the diversity
in gender and sexuality -
1:24 - 1:29is that it leads to challenges in what
we teach in our ordinary curriculum. -
1:29 - 1:32And, this is a very unpleasant
development, -
1:32 - 1:37so the existence of gender
and sexuality variation is problematic -
1:37 - 1:40for biology and as you know,
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1:40 - 1:42it's also problematic
in the political sector -
1:42 - 1:45and the religious sector as well.
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1:45 - 1:48Now, for biology specifically,
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1:48 - 1:52the problem concerns
an area of evolution -
1:52 - 1:56called Darwin's Sexual Selection Theory.
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1:56 - 1:58And I'll tell you what that's about
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1:58 - 2:02and then show you
that it's pretty obviously incorrect. -
2:02 - 2:06The first proposition
that Darwin utters is that -
2:06 - 2:11"Males of almost all animals
have stronger passions than females" -
2:11 - 2:15so, we have the phrase 'passionate male'
tracing back to Darwin. -
2:15 - 2:19And, furthermore,
he says that the female, -
2:19 - 2:21with the rarest of exceptions,
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2:21 - 2:24is less eager than the male,
she is coy. -
2:24 - 2:28So we have the phrase 'coy female'.
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2:28 - 2:33And, in today's jargon 'passionate male'
is replaced with 'promiscuous male' -
2:33 - 2:36and 'coy female'
with 'constrained female'. -
2:36 - 2:40And the third premise from Darwin
is the most problematic. -
2:40 - 2:44It pertains to characters
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2:44 - 2:47like the peacock's tail
and the antler on a deer, -
2:47 - 2:50and it is that females...
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2:50 - 2:52And so Darwin was asking
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2:52 - 2:58why does the peacock have the tail
and does the deer have the antler? -
2:58 - 3:01And his answer
is that females choose mates -
3:02 - 3:05who are more attractive,
vigorous and well-armed, -
3:06 - 3:10just as men can give beauty
to his male [unclear]. -
3:10 - 3:14So, he's invisioning that females
are breeding males -
3:14 - 3:16to have the traits that they have.
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3:16 - 3:18Now, why, you might ask,
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3:18 - 3:22would females be chosing
males with ornaments? -
3:22 - 3:27The idea is that the females
have expensive eggs. -
3:28 - 3:32And the males, on the other hand,
have cheap sperm -
3:32 - 3:37and so males are capable
in principle of ranging far and wide -
3:38 - 3:42inseminating anything
they come accross. -
3:42 - 3:45And females are necessarily obligated
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3:47 - 3:51to defend
their expensive investment in eggs. -
3:51 - 3:54Therefore, the female is forced
to be coy and choosy, -
3:54 - 3:57and the male
passionate or promiscuous. -
3:58 - 4:00And this is the party line
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4:00 - 4:03that's currently taught
in biology curricula worldwide. -
4:03 - 4:07It's a nice story,
in a sense, at least it's a story. -
4:07 - 4:09But the question is whether it's true.
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4:09 - 4:13And let me show you some examples
of diversity in gender and sexuality -
4:13 - 4:17that make these propositions
almost useless. -
4:17 - 4:22And one thing I need to emphasize
is that the two intial premises -
4:22 - 4:24the passionate male
and the coy female, -
4:24 - 4:27are asserted as empirical generalizations.
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4:27 - 4:32So, if you go outside and you pick up
a random bird or a random butterfly, -
4:32 - 4:34or any organism at random,
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4:34 - 4:37the male is supposed to be passionate
and the female coy, -
4:37 - 4:40with very, very rare exceptions.
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4:40 - 4:44And it will be obvious that the exceptions
are far from rare. -
4:44 - 4:46The first issue is that the assignement
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4:46 - 4:52into a sex, as male or female,
is neither stable nor exclusive. -
4:52 - 4:55If you go diving on a coral reef,
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4:55 - 4:58about a third of the species
that you see there -
4:58 - 5:02consist of individuals
who are both sexes at the same time. -
5:02 - 5:06Or at different times during their life.
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5:06 - 5:10So, in the case of these species
right here, -
5:10 - 5:15the individuals change from female
to male, that is a kind of wrasse. -
5:16 - 5:18In the case of this species right here
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5:18 - 5:22they change from a male to female.
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5:23 - 5:26And as I say, 30% of the species,
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5:26 - 5:28if you simply go snorkeling
on a coral reef, -
5:28 - 5:30you see this all around you.
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5:30 - 5:32And it's just simply not true
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5:32 - 5:38that the categories of males and females
are stable or comprehensive. -
5:38 - 5:44Now, another important issue is called
'Sex-Role Reversal' by biologists. -
5:45 - 5:50And this pertains to males
who do all the parental care -
5:51 - 5:53and females
who have to hustle around -
5:53 - 5:55and find a male
who is interested in them. -
5:55 - 6:00And the popular examples
of this are the seahorses. -
6:00 - 6:05Now, in fish, the parental care
is usually provided by the male. -
6:05 - 6:08And in birds,
it's about 50/50 male and female -
6:09 - 6:12and in mammals
is usually initially by the female. -
6:12 - 6:17But in fish, the style of parental care
varies from species -
6:18 - 6:22and in many cases the males
will glue the eggs to their tummy. -
6:22 - 6:26And that is true of... darn!
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6:27 - 6:32That's true of this species
in the middle here which is a pipefish. -
6:32 - 6:35Now, the seahorses
are related to pipefish -
6:35 - 6:39in that they have
a big skin-flap on their tummy -
6:40 - 6:44and the females deposit eggs
into the males' tummy. -
6:44 - 6:47So the males become,
in a sense, pregnant. -
6:47 - 6:52So, this is a male seahorse
receiving eggs from that female. -
6:53 - 6:55And what happens in this situation
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6:55 - 6:59is that you can get more females
hanging around -
6:59 - 7:02looking for males to receive their eggs,
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7:02 - 7:06and in that situation then
the males are in the position to decide -
7:06 - 7:10what female they want to allow
to deposit eggs in their skin-flap. -
7:10 - 7:15So this is the exactly the reverse
of the Darwinian story -
7:15 - 7:17that it's females
who are choosing males, -
7:17 - 7:20here it's males
who are choosing females. -
7:20 - 7:26Now, that shows that the size of the sperm
or the egg can't be important -
7:26 - 7:30or definitive in determining
the sex-role of the animal. -
7:30 - 7:34Because male seahorses
make tiny sperm -
7:34 - 7:39but yet they are nonetheless the ones
who wind up doing all the parental care. -
7:40 - 7:43In many species
there are several genders of males. -
7:43 - 7:46In this species called the ruff
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7:46 - 7:51the one on the left
is a male with a black collar around it -
7:51 - 7:54the one at the top has a white collar,
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7:54 - 7:58and the one on the far right
has no collar. -
7:59 - 8:02Now, the black colored males,
at the time of mating, -
8:02 - 8:05go into an area which is called a 'lek'
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8:05 - 8:09which is basically
a red light district of males. -
8:09 - 8:12And, when the females
are foraging by themselves -
8:12 - 8:14and they want some sex,
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8:14 - 8:17they just go and fly over to the lek
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8:17 - 8:19where all the black colored males
are hanging out -
8:19 - 8:24and then the males try to attract them
into mating with them. -
8:24 - 8:25But the plot thickens,
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8:25 - 8:28because this white colored male
at the top, -
8:28 - 8:33hangs out with the females
for a little while and gets to know them, -
8:33 - 8:38and then he leaves those females
before they approach the lek -
8:38 - 8:43and he goes to the lek
where the black colored males are, -
8:43 - 8:48the black colored males court him
and ask him to join them. -
8:48 - 8:50So, when the females arrive
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8:50 - 8:56they find some territories
with two colors, two styles of males, -
8:56 - 9:01and the females prefer to mate
with the pair of males of the two colors -
9:02 - 9:05rather than with the males
with one color by itself. -
9:05 - 9:09And, I conjecture that the reason
for that is that the white colored mates -
9:10 - 9:11get to know the females
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9:11 - 9:15and can serve, so to speak,
as marriage brokers, -
9:15 - 9:18when the females
fly into the black colored males -
9:18 - 9:23they can make introductions
and invite specific females to join them. -
9:24 - 9:25In any case,
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9:25 - 9:31the existence of multiple types of males
also contradicts the Darwinian story -
9:31 - 9:36in which all males are of one type
and all females another. -
9:36 - 9:39Then, we get to the question
of homosexuality. -
9:40 - 9:45There's a lot of mating that takes place
between animals of the same sex. -
9:45 - 9:47And these are elephants right here.
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9:47 - 9:52These are big horn sheep from Montana.
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9:52 - 9:55And these are primates,
our closest relatives. -
9:55 - 10:00And there's well over 300 species
of vertebrates alone -
10:00 - 10:03in which same sex sexuality
has been observed in nature. -
10:03 - 10:06So, this is quite common.
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10:06 - 10:11And officially observed
and published in the primary literature. -
10:11 - 10:16Now, these are gorillas on the left,
which is a male-male interaction -
10:16 - 10:18and now in the center and right
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10:18 - 10:22we have a female-female interaction
between bonobos. -
10:22 - 10:23And female bonobos, well,
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10:23 - 10:28mate with one another several times
during the day, -
10:29 - 10:31as a form of networking.
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10:31 - 10:33So, what's really going on here
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10:33 - 10:36is that there's a lot of physical intimacy
between animals, -
10:36 - 10:41not only same sex sexuality,
but also multiple grooming, -
10:41 - 10:44reciprocal grooming,
reciprocal preening. -
10:44 - 10:50And all of these forms of behavior
are ways of exchanging physical pleasure -
10:50 - 10:51with one another.
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10:51 - 10:54And I've suggested that the reason
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10:54 - 10:59this evolves is as a mechanism
to produce bounding -
10:59 - 11:03and collaboration between individuals.
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11:03 - 11:06And when individuals
are physically intimate with one another -
11:06 - 11:08they're able to coordinate
their activities -
11:08 - 11:11and work toward a common goal
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11:11 - 11:16because they experience mutual pleasure
in achieving a common goal. -
11:16 - 11:20So, it's actually the realization
of the common goal -
11:20 - 11:23that is pleasurable
in these intimate interactions. -
11:25 - 11:29Now, in light of all of this
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11:30 - 11:33the whole idea of sexual selection
looks almost absurd. -
11:33 - 11:37It's incorrect, but it also is irrelevant,
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11:37 - 11:42it doesn't even address the degree
of diversity that occurs in nature. -
11:44 - 11:47The issue of collaboration
brings us to the next issue -
11:47 - 11:49which is the one of family.
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11:49 - 11:53And biologists, I believe, also
have an incorrect account of family life. -
11:53 - 11:58This is a quotation
from Jeff Parker in the U.K. -
12:00 - 12:03"The family is now perceived
as a cauldron of conflict, -
12:03 - 12:06with each of the players
having different interests... -
12:06 - 12:09sexual conflict,
parent-offspring conflict, -
12:09 - 12:12and sib-conflict simultaneously."
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12:12 - 12:14And this too is taught
in the biology curricula. -
12:14 - 12:19And, if it were true, it paints
a bleak picture of the aspirations -
12:20 - 12:23that we all share here
of building a better life -
12:23 - 12:27and founded on collaboration,
but it may not be true. -
12:27 - 12:30The idea of biological family
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12:30 - 12:33that I've been suggesting
in the last year, -
12:34 - 12:36is summarized in this diagram,
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12:36 - 12:40in which the parent-parent relatioship
is essentially colaborative -
12:40 - 12:45and the collaboration is realized
through physical intimacy -
12:45 - 12:49that produces cooperation
that resolves genetic conflict. -
12:49 - 12:51Because we can't avoid the fact
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12:51 - 12:54that there is genetic conflict
at the beginning. -
12:54 - 12:56But it needs to get resolved.
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12:56 - 12:59Now, with respect
to the parent-offspring relationship, -
12:59 - 13:04my suggestion is that there is an effect
in auction of resources to offspring -
13:06 - 13:09that produce an incentive
to resolve the genetic conflict. -
13:09 - 13:14And what I'm doing here
is drawing on the economic theory -
13:14 - 13:16of the firm from economics.
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13:16 - 13:22And viewing a family as it was a firm
or a company whose products is offsprings. -
13:22 - 13:25And asking whether
or not the organization, -
13:25 - 13:27the economic organization of a firm,
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13:27 - 13:31could serve as a guide
to understanding animal family life. -
13:31 - 13:36And the specifics are
that in the parent-offspring firm, -
13:36 - 13:40the parent is in the position
to give food to the offspring, -
13:40 - 13:46and what the parent does is indicates
the price of the food to the offspring -
13:47 - 13:50and the offspring pay for this
by the quantity -
13:50 - 13:52of begging that they carry out.
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13:52 - 13:58And the offspring are able to communicate
their demand curve to the parent. -
13:58 - 14:01And if the parent knows
the demand curve -
14:01 - 14:05it can set the price of food
that it charges to the offspring, -
14:05 - 14:10so that the offspring honestly communicate
their needs to the parent. -
14:10 - 14:15And when that happens the family functions
as a very efficient unit -
14:15 - 14:17for the production of offspring.
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14:17 - 14:22And therefore we get the formation
of collaboration in two ways. -
14:22 - 14:27Either through collaboration,
either through physically intimacy -
14:27 - 14:31which produces a collaboration.
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14:31 - 14:36Or through the setting of incentives,
and the circumstances differ. -
14:37 - 14:42So, I've been blessed in all my work
by the help of these collaborators, -
14:44 - 14:49Erol Akçay, who's from Turkey,
and Priya Iyer, who's from India. -
14:50 - 14:52So, thank you so much.
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14:52 - 14:54(Applause)
- Title:
- Sexual diversity in nature: Joan Roughgarden at TEDxAmazonia
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A very interesting talk by ex-Jonathan now Joan Roughgarden, a respected evolutionary biologist at Stanford University, who wrote the book "Evolution's Rainbow" where argues that Darwin's Sexual Selection Theory might very well be defective and renders it useless and absurd as sexual diversity in nature is not confined to the only two genders specified in any academic biology curriculum.
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