The Power Of Knowing What You Don't Know

during the work

on the previous machines i thought i

knew everything i knew i was making a

masterpiece i knew it was going to work

i just knew it

how come then

the machines

failed

obviously i hadn't done my homework and

there is a tool that called known knowns

and known unknowns

and i prepared this right here

um

i'm going to use this tool first of all

i want to show it to you and share it to

you i never used it myself but i've i've

been showed it before as a risk

management tool

and

right now um i think it's a great time

to use it to decide what next steps to

work on in this project and also to

communicate to all of you that are

following the project where i'm at and

how i see um

the most important parts and i've been

trying to um explain to sir 3k before

the stream and i didn't really do a good

job of that so let's hope that we get

some really nice information out of this

exercise and nice next steps for the

project anyway knowing what you don't

know

is a very can be very powerful and

thinking that you know something that

you don't know can lead you to making

brilliant mistakes

thank you

my friend sir 3k is here to bring the

hype and we're going to get straight

into it so in this stream we're going to

decide next steps in my design process

through this exercise

and um we're gonna do that in step two

by filling out these knowns and known

unknowns and i'm going to um

already now i would like uh suggestions

from chat

different things that belong in

different squares

and uh

two nights ago me and hannes had such a

nice brainstorm so

pretty soon in the stream i want to have

a brainstorming session

highest level

on what this project is and

especially the footprint of the machine

if we should build a big functional

machine

or if we should build a smaller

all-in-one that looks like the previous

machines and then we're going to be

done so

i'm looking very much forward to this

brainstorming session because hannes you

had a lot to say about the project

especially you you named it the dna on

our project

that stuck with you right

what stuck with me is that sometime when

i talk to you about the machine it feels

like you have more insights around the

machine than i have

thanks to your perspective

and i wanted to kind of

have a little bit the same brainstorm

discussion with you on stream

and also with the viewers in chat so

welcome everyone joining thanks for

being here

and speaking of perspective rosiro

bertolli is in the champion

of engineer yeah nice title the downfall

of knowing more and more is that you

realize more and more how little you

actually know sometimes ignorance really

is bliss

nice to see you here sarah is socrates

uh who

said

i know only

how little i know yeah and um

i think

uh i'm so happy to see you here ro zero

i think um

most of you will agree that

this started two days ago

when me and hannes were trying to find

old experiment i did on the machine x

with timing of the marbles and i heard

myself in the video

sitting there

this i think i'm making a masterpiece i

think i'm making more space trying to be

the hype man for the project trying to

hype everyone up that's watching the

video so this was like one and a half or

two years ago

and i just saw myself from outside when

i saw myself like

how little i knew

and even worse

how much i thought i knew

that i actually did not know

and

maybe i'm going

overboard right now but currently in

this project

i'm i kind of feel that the project is

impossible and

or

maybe not impossible but um

sorry let me go to the screen um

i know

that i don't know how to make this

project do you remember an ad on youtube

harness that was for the composer made

the music to dune the famous what's his

name meet your new instructor hans

zimmer hans zimmer it was from master

class and i was like meet your new

instructor and he says

there is a

there's your question

and i reply he said i never forget that

in the ad

and he said

i don't know how to compose the music

for your movie was one of his blurb

quotes in in that ad for his masterclass

of movie composition and music

and

right now i feel i don't know how to

build a marble machine

for all these years

i thought i knew

um

but i didn't so let's get straight into

it this is the good thing is that you

have stopped being that naive hype man

for yourself and you

instead acquired another external hype

man

to sit and engage with the viewers and

hyping you up yeah

definitely and

uh

i'm so happy for that by the way and

basically what i hope this exercise will

lead to and i'm

i keep on repeating i'm totally honest i

don't know if i'm going to try to build

this machine what i'm trying to find out

is that if we can have a cad

file that is promising enough to embark

on that crazy journey

and

what i want to do so let's go to the

next step on the list let's get into the

nouns

so what i want to do is that i want to

take things

are that one and the same thing

i want to take things that are known

unknowns and move them over to known

knowns

there are some special important ones

that i think

i want to talk about today so let's just

get into a little bit on about this

system

and i just want to show you a website i

found

i never worked with this system but um i

think

this was a good um

a website so i'm just going to give

very quick uh overview how to use the

nouns and unknown technique to manage

assumptions

um

what assumptions are there that we know

they have been validated

what assumptions are there

that we can know but have not yet been

validated those are the ones i want to

focus on in this stream

what assumptions are there that we

cannot know

and

they put this in this kind of square so

i'm taking the words in this square from

from this website it's a famous method

and so quickly high level about each

category known knowns

known knowns are assumptions that have

been validated and are now facts however

it is important to note that known

knowns are not necessarily static

no knowns could change over the course

of a project the price or a lead time

for a certain component can

significantly change the scope cost or

schedule making them important to

identify and monitor as a potential risk

so when i say

um

when when i say here

that i know the programming wheel how

the programming will work so basically

how i'm going to use this is that i want

to show you

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the unresolved questions i have the the

most important unresolved questions the

known unknowns

for um

getting to the point where i know if the

machine will be viable or not

so um

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my known nodes now for example i just

made some example is program a b change

we have solved that

we have made an assumption that we have

solved that it can change but it it

belongs in the known knowns category

i have an assumption about how i want to

make the programming pin i have an

assumption about how i want to make the

programming wheel

three weeks ago i didn't have those so

that's that's progress so let's check

the second category the known unknowns

known unknowns are assumptions that we

haven't or can't validate

most assumptions identified during

project planning start in this category

they can be classified into three types

first assumptions that can become known

knowns if they're validated that's what

i'm going to talk about today

let's get um

straight into the third category unknown

nouns

and this is

where i have to read to actually

understand better myself here

where known knowns and known unknowns

are assumptions that can be dealt with

proactively

beforehand that's what we're doing now

unknown knowns and unknown unknowns are

issues that must be dealt with

reactively which is very very

interesting so in a design process

we're

only planning for the for the two top

squares the no nouns and the known

unknowns but we have to be prepared to

react

in a good way

to the two bottom categories unknowns

unknown unknowns

so what are unknown nouns unknowns are

assumptions that could have been

identified as no knowns in the planning

but weren't things we missed

and they are now affecting the project

unknown knowns occur most often as a

result of poor communication

a project manager knows that a certain

township reviews permit applications

only once per month but fails to

volunteer this information or is not

asked the next project manager working

with this township experience the same

pain point

okay

so

let me try to just understand this

category

um

the way they said it here is that i

don't know but somebody does and they

ain't telling

[Laughter]

it is things that can be forecasted but

wasn't

so we don't know it

um but someone else does we should have

known it is there any way that we can

i can know what site this is on people

want the link to it oh yeah

the

persimmongroup.com personal group

the persimmon group.com

and the dhe is in the same word

the persimmongroup.com

i should have put the link in the

description if you can find it

let's quickly look at the last square

unknown unknowns

chalk them up to murphy's law

meaning things you can't control unknown

unknowns are true surprises a project

that encounters a major delay due to a

political coup in the country where

equipment is manufactured

unknown announce should be shared

through lessons learned for future risk

considerations for projects as a known

unknown

force i wrote like in my um

in my version here i wrote force major

murphy's law

and a famous stoic technique is to only

try to focus on the things that you have

control over and in that exercise um

part of it is

admitting and realizing how little you

have control over in your life for

example the stoic says that you have

control over your goals for example so

focus on what goals you're setting

um

so the fourth square down to the right

we can kind of know that it's there

there's murphy's law

stuff can happen but these are exactly

the events that no one can predict so

that square is okay

unknown unknowns http a stock material

for programming wheel it's not an

unknown knowns it should be up here in

known unknowns

if someone in chat has suggestions for

anything i can put here in unknown

knowns

that relates to the mar machine 3

project

i would love to because i can't actually

think of examples it doesn't really

matter because the business end of this

live stream happens up here

so

why did i want to talk about this and

why did i want to work with this today

it's because i feel

that

this helps me point out what i need to

spend my focus on from here

so

in this list here what are the most

important known unknowns up to the right

here i can't highlight it for you

i can do that no wow thank you for that

zoom

um

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so

the big things

um

which i think is

highly important that we focus on now

is

machine footprint

let's try to color that text red

did i do it correctly i did but i want

to make it really red

there

this is

something

that is on top of my mind instrument

positions same thing there

uh important

double release gate to one hit point

not as important for now pac-man or

escapement gate not as important for now

https stock material for programming

wheel not as important for now

marble size and material

and so i put this in the same thing but

it doesn't matter because i want to make

them both red

um

bowden hydraulics cost

and friction because

let's start with the bowden cable um

if it's true that a bowden cable have

less enough

um little enough friction so i can place

a module on the side

um

and activate the mechanics somewhere and

pull maybe a one and a half meter long

bowden cable and it's fast enough for a

marble gate and it's timely accurate

that would open up a design space where

we can have

instruments far away from the

programming wheel

and i never worked with boarding cables

i don't know anything about them so it's

a known unknown i do not know if this

would work for the machine

um

and the marble size and material like i

bought some rubber balls and some wooden

balls but i haven't really gone into it

um and this will also if we realize that

we want 40 millimeters

marbles

that will give a lot of um

it will have a big impact on the future

design of of the marble machine 3. and

sort of interrupting your mark no no did

you want unknown knowns from chat yes

yeah let's start off with something here

then

from john h

unknowns can cad demo the entire machine

to validate functionality and marbles

question mark

that's a good suggestion john anons can

cad demo the entire machine to validate

functionality and marbles

um

so i'm i'm just thinking i think this

should be um

um this is a very good place to start i

just think why is it not a known unknown

what makes an unknown

i don't know but okay i don't know what

somebody does and they ain't telling

does it qualify as an unknown known

i'm gonna put it there i i like the idea

yeah start with that and we have another

one coming up

can

um

physics

physics seem

validate the machine

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and i'm going to put that in black

yeah and satish kumar unknown known the

maximum marble flow rate needed for a

song

um

i think that's a known unknown

because

if we go back to the website

um

let's try to understand that

it's a good suggestion i just want to

learn here let's try to understand the

difference between

known unknowns and unknown knowns

because i'm a little bit not clear on

that

so

known unknowns are assumption that we

haven't

or can't validate

three types

let me read everything

assumptions that can become no unknowns

if they are validated assumptions that

can become

no known at some point in the future but

not now okay so we don't we can't access

the information now but it can be known

yeah it can be known in the future

assumptions that can't become known

knowns

because we can't control them also

that's things that always stay in that

category

the last type of no-no's those that

can't be controlled flux in the price of

fuel estimated weather delays for a

construction project should be

classified as risks in project planning

okay

so a

shorter shortage of marbles globally

yes

marvel shortage because uh sudden

increase in war machine popularity

um

so let's see now what

ah so here it is i read it i had to read

it again

no knowns and known unknowns are

assumptions that can be dealt with

proactively

um

unknown knowns and unknown unknowns are

issues that must be dealt with

reactively

unknowns are assumptions that could have

been identified that

could have been this is where i'm a

little confused but aware and and is now

affecting the project unknowns occur

most often as the result

of poor communication

also

so it's not that we

so can you bring up the last comment

again

um

so your suggestion here is uh i think

it's a now known unknown okay

marble flow rate i'm gonna make uh some

smaller uh type so we can fit more

suggestions

um

so marble flow rate is a known unknown

because we can validate

um

and cookie crumbs unknown known is when

you know the question but not the answer

ah that's a good

that's that that's a good definition

when you know the question but not know

the answer

yeah i don't know what somebody does and

they ain't telling so

um

yeah

so this this is gonna be like part two

of this exercise is to better understand

the square down to the left because i'm

a little bit confused about it and it

doesn't really matter for now because i

understand the first two and those are

the ones that i'm working with but

known unknown what are boo champ no not

known what are the minimum deliverable

product does the machine need the drums

included

um

so that's that's a nice one i think

there's something in product design

called mvp

uh which is

minimum

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valid

valuable

valid

product

can you search for mvp in product

development uh yeah not in sports

um

minimum

valuable

minimum viable product that's that's the

word thank you so much

minimum viable product i think that's

what you mean people champ

what are the minimum deliverable product

that's minimum viable product i think

that's exactly what you mean does the

machine need the drums included

um

yeah so the minimum viable product is

exactly what we're writing in our design

requirements document

um

that's that is actually

so

i think this exercise will

help me choose what to focus on and also

explain to you why

the thing that i'm researching right now

in in my head

so

i'm going to try to choose

some things

and i'm going to try to take research

these known unknowns

and

make it possible for me to drag them

over so they become known knowns

and i think when i have enough known

knowns i will be able to make a decision

if this project is feasible or or not

yeah and i thought this was a

nice explanation from doro or in other

words our suggestions are unknown knowns

for you as long as you aren't

aware of them once you know about them

they will go to known unknowns

and that's interesting

because you couldn't foresee

yeah eventual problems because you

didn't know about them yeah yeah

and i think like

since

we're working in a digital file in cad

i think like it will be much easier for

for example the whole community to call

out

what for me are unknown nouns

and tell them to me and so i can put

them into known unknowns or even know

nouns later

so let's

let's um let's talk about these four red

uh things

um

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before

we're and actually that's actually where

we're going into

um i think we're done actually with the

known step this is basically

most what i wanted to show you is my

relationship to these four red items

marble size and material

is bowden cables or hydraulic cables a

viable option

the the machine x footprint

short if we can make if we're allowed to

make it big i know i can make this

machine work if we if we need to make it

small and everything is convoluted and

sit on top of each other

i don't know if i even want to try to do

it i also don't even know if i want to

try to build a big machine

so that's a machine footprint discussion

and then instrument positions

maybe instrument positions and machine

footprint is the same thing actually

yeah it's the same i'm going to remove

the second one

and i'm going to um i'm going to add

instrument positions to marvel

machine footprint

it's the same thing

um

inst

this is kind of interesting as well from

the organ guy unknown knowns your

current design requirements are too

ambitious

ah that's a super nice one um

because that was

exactly what happened

um

i love to show this

you're

so if we go back to when when i saw

myself three days ago on a video and i

was like god i was naive i was so naive

and i went only on like adrena i was

going only on adrenaline at that time my

current design requirements were too

ambitious for

for my skill

and um

i know that oregon guy thinks that i

should use also 22 tracks so maybe

that's what you're getting at here

unknown

and i agree with you like the 37 double

drop vibraphone with 174 registrators

are kind of are perhaps too ambitious we

and you don't know that until you know

it so that's unknown so this was a

fantastic example uh so i'm gonna write

it here

um

current

d r

to

ambitious

i should probably not use abbreviations

because

we are too this is abstract enough as it

is

we're trying to go a mainstream

evergreen here

requirements

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photoshop is absolutely the the software

to use for this presentation by the way

definitely simple and easy

to go to microsoft paint

from windows

98 or something that we saw earlier

today

so so this is super nice unknown knowns

can physics invalidate the machine

current design uh requirements to

ambitious or or or not

um

so i boiled it down

to

three

things now marble size and material

about in hydraulics cost friction

machine footprint

so

now you know how i think about

choosing next step and these red ones

are the ones that i wanna investigate

and if possible try to validate these

three two known nouns

and i wanna start today with a

brainstorming session with sir 3k oh wow

we're already there yeah we're there and

you can keep on suggesting

things to put into the squares but for

now i'm gonna play a mall if i can

it's important for me

this is important for all of us

here this is how we heard it

ah that's where there we go

oh yeah so

this is kind of how i how i uh how i was

before

and the difference here is that is alan

turing who says that

and um

no comparison

uh otherwise between me and alan turing

so um we are on step three

yes let's see how to do this let's go to

cad and let's just look at our craziness

here our beautiful machine

so sir 3k um

we had a slide earlier that was

brilliant um can we pick that up the

comparison between the modular versus

the all

one design

give me a second i think that's a great

start to to kick this brainstorming

session off

i'm also gonna sketch on my sketch pad

so i've had a

like

very pessimistic feeling the last days

um

yes

hannes is getting annoyed with me

because my hype is gone

and i can't cope with that i just go on

pure hope here

i'm my i'm i'm zero hype right now um

because i don't see a way forward right

now and i and and what i mean is that it

might be good it might be good that i

don't think i know how to do this

like uh what was his name the dune

composer

hanziman like hans simmer doesn't know

how to compose the music for your movie

i do not know how to design uh this

marble machine

so we're gonna show you a

suggestion that was sent in um

by a viewer

um which is a

very very nice rundown

of kind of

the two approaches the modular design to

the left

and all in one design to the right and

i just wanted

hannes sir 3k would you please

tell the viewers about your

feeling

of the dna of the first machine and

everything you told me the other day

oh wow that's a tall order do you want

me to remember that what was our

discussion the dna

i just need to get in that mind frame

again

the mind frame

yeah but it's like um

um

programming language with frame and

you're about so maybe that's why you

don't have a mindset you have mind

frames or something

what we talked about yeah is that

what is the marble machine actually like

it's the cool thing that is one machine

that has so many things like convoluted

i hope i'm intertwined

and it's it's like a rube goldberg

machine everything happens um

at the same time in one machine and it's

kind of hard to understand how it works

but it's kind but it works and it's like

intriguing because it's this little

small music box and out of it comes

something big and huge

and

how much would that be lost

if we went

for a much bigger machine where

everything is separated and

if if we can go to um

actually to the sketch pad when i find

we don't we don't have to put the

modules apart from each other

um

so

if i can find

um

so yeah here for example

so here's the modules this is a modular

design

and everything is apart so it looks like

yeah that's three machines that's not

the marble machine but we can have this

mindset

and put them into

one machine

like this

so here here's bowden cables allowing us

to spread out the instruments which is

good for

and we can also do

um

something that i think is the closest

uh this one

but actually vibraphone and drums would

change place here

do we have the wide mm3 uh slide

uh i can find it maybe we don't have the

keynote

um

never mind so i'm gonna give you your uh

your the path here

um or that or um

what you were talking about is like

the dna of one machine

versus the modular design yeah and

basically you said a lot of smart things

about that can you just repeat them

please can i just repeat everything i

said and then i have like yeah here we

have holdsworth

hands also

the whole in one is the spirit it is

kind of the point of the machine

and that's perhaps a little bit where i

was going right when we talked about it

and

for me the dna of it all i talked about

on the streams earlier as well

it's like it's not a self-playing

machine altogether it's the interaction

between you and the machine also

and that's why i get so annoyed when i

hear mallet machine i know you're joking

i have to provide context because that

was the previous stream

i even contemplated building a mallet

machine instead

so no marbles because it's formed from

function absolutism but that's

that i agree

is

too much of a step into a new family of

something else

go on

as the chat says

like the main spirit of it having it is

everything in one it's not modular

connected together

a lot of like extension

i don't know

okay so give let me

can you bring that comment up again i

thought it was really nice

um the whole holdsworth hands the whole

in the in one is the spirit

it is kind of the point of the machine

so my question for you holdsworth hands

i i love your comment

uh let me draw something for you okay

mac

to me the coolest part is that it's one

machine i'm in the one machine camp

let me ask the audience something here

to you kmac and to holdsworth and to

everyone else

if the machine was large so um so we

have here alternative one

this is the all-in-one that we know and

love

and that i don't think will give

me the music requirements that i feel i

need

that's why i think

but maybe maybe maybe

like um organ guy said

the current design requirements are too

ambitious uh so so this is the

this is

let's call this the classic

classic footprint

and i have also here like this is kinda

same as i think then perhaps marcus

hoffman

modular is a marble machine but not

vintage marble machine

that's kind of the same vein of the dna

like the whole feel about it

yeah so

on the completely

other side of the spectra let's make it

i'm gonna draw it where can i draw

there

i'm gonna draw it down

here um

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let's draw it like this

we should look at pat mathews

orchestrion because i think it's a

i was a big badminton fan but that is a

mechanical music instrument project

that's kind of boring to watch

and it's actually spread out so it's a

lot of mechanical music instruments

everywhere

and um

it's not entertaining in my in my um

it's also media and solenoid controlled

and you know how i feel about that

um so down here

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and here's a comment that goes straight

to my heart from kmac once again

iron man 3 was lame because he had many

autonomous machines the coolest thing

about iron man is the man and the

machine interaction be the musical iron

man

that's so fun that's that's that's good

that's a good one kmac mr b fox 7075 as

a lot of people also suggests previous

machines only used one side there are

three other sides that can hold

instruments and i'm a little bit in this

camp as well we haven't really really

gone through the whole idea if you're

going this way i'm going to go

jean-michel circular on you all okay

because because like the circular thing

the circular thing opens up to me

uh the iron man thing and also that you

can have a stage podium that is actually

turning slowly

is actually really really not difficult

um

so

kmac by the way there is a fantastic

youtuber called kmac

who makes guitar videos

um and i don't think it's you in the

comments but if it was you i appreciate

your videos

um

one machine equals d machine several

machines equals machine band members i

would prefer the former rather than the

later yeah so so look check this out

we have a scale here

from one uh down to three

classic footprint completely modular

um

let me see if i can be a little fancy

should i be a little fancy of course i

should be a little fantastic this is

what we're all about here so i learned

that i can lower the layer opacity

there

then i'm gonna make a nice gradient

everyone

and while you do that

andrew hill the brand just being

brilliant here in chat supporting us

with a nice super chat here and says

it's it must solve the marble problem

elegantly it does not need to be

infinitely capable the elegance of

solution is the magic yes i so much

boom i so much resonate with this

um

sarah

also great perspective this one here

from r a ray been watching your videos

for years i don't particularly care what

form it takes as long as it's fully

mechanical

i resonate with that too

friction finsness henriksen a modular

machine looks like something i have seen

before

hole in one is something new and unique

yeah the modular has been done right

i don't know what i'm doing i just need

some colors

i think biebu champs said this earlier

but this is also interesting

just two modules the vibraphone plus

bass as one and a drum loop as another

then stack them they can look as one

machine

then if you finish the top you at least

have a product even without drums

so

this is exactly where i'm going because

i'm of course gonna present to you the

middle alternative here which i don't

know

how i perceive and i'm curious to hear

how you sir 3000 perceive this

because here

in the purple between the blue and the

red

wrong color so and i i'm i'm on edge

i'm on edge

two

we have

the broad

i don't also have any space left

we have the big all-in-one machine

um

can i please draw it somewhere where i

have place

so it's all in one

but we have the drums here to the right

drums

and here's the vibraphone

they're not on top of each other they're

not intertwined

and here's the bass guitar

and here's me playing it

uh so two is the

big

all-in-one yeah

so

sections not modules that's how i think

about it you know sections not modules

i don't need them to be modular

separated from each other

so everyone who has been like super

clear about your relationship to the

iron man

i've also seen the movie when iron man

is like you automatic bot go and fix

this problem and i i

you're right it's lame

um

so

if i build this monster

i think it would be like two meters wide

so so let's say that this is one meter

and let's say that this is two meter

let's just say that it's double

um

i feel real i really do not know what

relationship i have to this machine

um

what is it mainly that disturbs you with

the wide solution so you know what 2a

let's do a sneaky 2b

you know what that's gonna be

circular

that's a circular microphone right here

with the with the sp with the mushroom

and the the machine

to be circular

sorry hannes can you repeat that

question

uh basically what it is that really

grinds your gears with a wide machine

how come that seems so distant in your

mind it's like i'm scared because the

machine has taken over my life

completely and if i make it twice as big

it's like

it's physically intimidates me

uh and i'm just like

oh jesus christ

switching a 2 meter long 90 centimeter

like huge barrel

i mean it's it's the most epic ever

but am i just should i just make songs

with fewer notes on the vibraphone

because that is what what organ guy is

intending when he says maybe the maybe

the design requirements are um too

ambitious maybe you don't mean it like

that maybe it was just an example but

so the magic of the first machine is its

limitations

and

if i want a full-size vibraphone with

174 registrators

the programming wheel needs to be quite

big

and to machine that

i think we can do it but it's just

it becomes this behemoth

the circular thing would also be a

behemoth yeah so

what what what

what does what shot what do you think

about uh what is your reaction to the

mid

the mid alternative you see a lot of two

b's

and also stuff like this from sound or

you hash the machine can be white but

the prog wheel doesn't have to yeah i've

been

talking about as as well

so that machine let me let me let me

sketch that machine real quick

um

that's this machine and i

structure like

solution wise i completely believe in

this machine

um where where are the drums i put a

vibraphone here with me

here's the vibraphone

sticking outside a little bit

and here's the drums

like that

they have a loop wheel behind them

though

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and i'm here

so it's it's more spread out

yeah and a steel skin 667 says the

programming jump doesn't have to be that

much bigger you just need a bit more

room for the instruments that's the main

quarry right

so it's it's really not a bit more if we

put the drums and the vibraphones next

to each other it's a lot more

um

another idea a lot of people want to put

the drums under the vibrophone

and if we skip

having the drums marble played if the

drums are only loop played

or

recharged played by the programming

wheel which has been solved today

uh the spring recharge solution that's

that's not for not a discussion now if

we skip marbles on the drums

uh and only have the vibraphone and the

blaze

base marble played

we all of a sudden have

we can make a tighter footprint

all of a sudden

it's it's just that

like my

like this limitation of

notes on the vibraphone

which we did the other day the decision

matrix for

um

this is truly like

and also having the big acoustic drums

it's truly

making a big difference and

i mean you spent five years having not

having space for my components

so i i just feel like i don't know if i

want to spend

two more years trying to fit things into

spaces where that doesn't exist

no so

that's a big no-no then you can't be too

tight

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3d printer academy just sent a generous

super chat here saying are you

completely against remaking more machine

x with 50 less parts and complexity

stephen

so this is a great comment stephen thank

you so much 3d printer academy uh i

would have needed going to that school

[Laughter]

um

since

when i started trying 3d printing i

thought i knew everything talking about

the

the the known

the the unknown knowns and stuff like

that

um

uh what's happening here okay yeah i

went to the wrong wrong thing

um

let's go back

to cad and let's check this

there is no sound in the kick drum

of either of these instruments

in the room

i can show you exactly how the kick drum

sounds yeah

wait

can we do it in the action cam

of course we can

in the room the kick drum sounds like

this are you ready for it

yeah pretty much yeah

i've heard it and

remaking uh

if we go back to the image here

when i was touring with both my bands i

used contact microphones a lot and i put

them on under instruments and it's

magical what you can do with a contact

microphone so in an electrified

environment

you get a control that is unheard of i

showed the demo in the machine x videos

about

signal to noise ratio i put contact

microphones on symbols and stuff

i just want to go away from that for my

mu for my music career i just want to go

away from this electronic contact

microphone everything is fixed with

plugins in logic

i just want i want to build something

that sounds good in a room so in my

house in france when people came by and

they saw the machine all of them asked

me to play it

and i owe your heart and i was just like

[Laughter]

i just need to set up my 100 microphones

i was like i can't and even if i could

you wouldn't hear it so what i would

have to do to these people is here

take a couple of studio headphones and

let me just fix my hundred channels and

you hear the live mix through the

headphones and it was going to be

amazing and live on stage this is how

these instruments like live on when you

go to big concert you don't hear

anything acoustically everything is

so it was a machine

that was made for an amplified

environment and i think that is like

when you say do you want to rebuild the

margin x no

i'm not interested in making a machine

where someone super excited comes into a

room and immediately wants to hear the

machine and can't i want to have the

magic of the machine sounding pretty

good in the youtube videos when i'm

building it before i'm putting the

microphones on it

and it's sounding just even better

because [ __ ] in [ __ ] out is an old

musician stroke and it's so true and

it's like when a chef becomes better

with cooking the chef is not using like

100 million ingredients the chef is

using fresh best ingredients possible

and i'm so bored with like oh there's a

rise in the stupid snare drum

the rice belongs in the kitchen

uh the snare drum i'm gonna buy

off the shelf to make it sound like how

how do we

make a snare drum sound wait i have an

idea i'm gonna use a snare drum

i'm just so i'm done with it honestly

okay yeah so no which means we need a

full-size scenario we need a full-size

kick drum which makes there's no space

for a full-size kick drum on this

machine

um

if i want a lot of vibraphone channels

and maybe that's where like that's maybe

the trade-off that i'm not mature enough

to be able to make like maybe i just

need to go down to playing like there is

a song in swedish till paris i'm going

to tour the whole world playing till

parties till paris

and that's the only song

yeah

there is from

best cover version ever of till paris

but that's the only song the the machine

will be able to play um uh yeah

okay i'll leave it there sir 3k

help me out here another brilliant

beautiful support a nice super chatty

from andrew hildebrand yet again

original form feels like another player

on stage wide feels like a pickup truck

a non-character participant go with

human form reduce the range requirements

reduce the complexity embrace glory

yes

that's a good comment that's a good

comment uh so um i wanted to make this

video because i think it's uh it's

obvious dream because i think it's

obvious that

there is a

big identity crisis in the project right

now and it's good it's good we need to

have that because the first two machines

are too similar yeah

okay so what about another constraint

the

marbles playing the drums

i think it's kind of important that they

do

vibraphone next to the

so then we have let's go to this sketch

honest the 90 degree sketch uh

i have a lot of sketch here

here

let's i have to take this away

so

this is kind of another like in between

move

og forum feels like another player on

stage white feels like a pickup truck a

non-character participant

go with human form reduce the range

requirements reduce the complexity

embrace glory

the mutual command

i mean i

maybe i i can play cool bass lines

yeah you can i've heard them

um

oh what do we have here

oh wow

dynamic commander with a nice little

super chat here

two meters wide two times one meter

programming barrel side by side for

easier interchangeability

keep one barrel for vibraphone one

barrel for drums and bass that's one of

your favorite cities thank you for the

comment dynamic commander uh hannes can

you pull up the mmx wide sketch uh i can

try to find it yes because i think

that's one of the um absolutely so

the suggestion that we just made i can

actually make in cad right away it's

basically like this copy this

and

do this

and by having this um

separate

it's you you you don't have to change

the whole thing

and then we need to tour with six six

wheels and then we would actually move

the vibraphone let's do that

um

i should actually do more in cad like

this

and then we

we should actually move the bass

um i'm cutting your suggestion right

here this is this is it

to me it doesn't feel like a

non-playable character when i see it

like this to me this sounds like the and

and you know what's cool here we can

remove this wheel

check this out

let me copy the frame

um

no

yeah paste

look at this machine on us i just made

yeah you see now we are talking

because this frame on this side wouldn't

need to be that high

um

i should actually maybe do that

so so with a bow and cable we only have

six marbles to drop drop to drop on the

drums over here

um

but with the bowden cable we only need

to get six marbles over over there

this and we still only need two

wheels

of course my

depending on my

maybe i still need to remove some note

requirements

what if i make this machine but i

what if i make this machine

but i reduce the number of notes on the

vibraphone

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to just make it kind of not bigger than

this

and i should maybe put the frames

together so it doesn't look modular

and oh my oh my i hear another ring here

and it's uh

it's a question from fredward here you

focused on the dream machine having

everything you want

what is the absolute minimum machine

that would make you happy

thank you so much for your support this

is great fred ward um

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so we we talked we talked in the

in the photoshop document where are we

here

we talked about minimum viable product

mvp

and i think um there are two different

ones

uh

for

the audience

or for martin

and of course what we're trying to do

here which i'm so happy for is that

we're trying to find like alignment yes

um between

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and actually finishing something would

also would make me

i haven't finished anything in five

years

like

and that's why maybe like

to actually deliver on something

sometimes you also just have to deliver

um to actually deliver something but

here's the kicker

the larger i make the machine not not

100 true

the easier it is for me to deliver in

this setup everything has its own space

um

it's like

maybe i should move the programming

wheel into the middle a little bit let's

move it there

like is this is this a modular machine

or is this one machine

do you have the wide sketch

yes and i just want to we got a

another one here oh and now it feels

like we're we're begging for it but

we're super happy for this before he's

so you're so generous everyone this

means everything to us

and it's from sliceosporta who else

always with us love it

large doesn't necessarily mean difficult

it just means large

if it can easily disassemble reassemble

ship and transport who cares how large

it is if it fits your requirements

engineer the size to be easy to work

with yeah i totally uh agree slicer

sparta and and

here's the wide mm3 we love this

something about this yeah crafted by

aura so question to you shot when you

look at the sketch the wide mm3

do you feel that the magic is gone

do you feel that

or is the magic that we're making uh

like the best sounding most tight

acoustic mechanical music instrument

ever played it's not fully acoustic with

the electric bass

sorry for leading question

no no

give it

uh oh steelskin 667 looks like one

machine to me um

i just want to talk about another bias

like that that that we do have if if we

just go back to my favorite image here

and yes this was

nice i think from robert e can doll i

think we the audience wants to know what

you feel excited about yeah yeah

currently

currently robert i am um

i am basically just pessimistic about

the whole endeavor not about sitting

here working on it that is so much fun

but right now i'm just like

i'm i've become

i've become like a naysayer like from

being naive i think

i'm

i'm just so scared about how

naive i was before and how i unders

i didn't underestimate a little bit

i i was like in the wrong universe

before so i'm

so right now i'm

i think i feel excited about reaching

the point where i can know if i should

make this project or not like i'm

already doing one project the digital

file but if i can build it or not and

but then sometimes i get a tingle of

excitement

when i have 37 notes on a full-size

vibraphone with double drops that i can

program

mechanically jack druid this is the one

an abstract backpack if it works better

it is better white equals good then

so

what was the image i wanted to show

that's a nice uh comment

as well from abstract backpack

um

oh yeah i know which image i wanted to

show

and hang on

uh

oh i have a new setup that's why i'm

struggling

this

look what happened here from the first

machine everyone loves it

to the second machine i loved it so much

i tried to build the same machine

i don't want to repeat this mistake

i i think

if we really take down the design

requirements

i think we can build this machine and

make it work

but the question is do i want a mic a

vibraphone that is 20 centimeters away

from a snare drum and the answer to that

is no

i don't

can i record the instrument separately

in the studio and produce a fantastic

album where i do as every musicians do i

record track by track to make a nice

album for spotify

yes

will it sound okay live

yes

so this is another

this is another like thing can i

this is actually super important design

requirement

when i make the album

how much

studio sheeting will allow myself to do

and i think as any responsible musician

i will allow myself to do any kind of

studio shooting so actually this whole

thing that i worry about now that's a

snare drum is close to the vibraphone

for recording the album it maybe doesn't

matter

and toby williams brings something up

here being a naysayer is an important

step it's on the way to success

thanks tony that's kind of i'm digging

myself down in my pessimism right now

hannes is desperately trying to rescue

me from drowning in pessimism and it's

almost i'm flaunting how how negative i

am now because i'm secretly a little bit

proud just like you're hinting at

exactly as too much kraft says here

cheer up martin we'll be right there

cheering you on all the way also sir h3k

keep on

[Laughter]

it's so fun and what i love what i love

now i'm always wanted to make this

process transparent this process is

happening transparently right extremely

transparent together with you yeah i'm

i'm

i'm i'm for forgetting that we're it

feels like we're here with friends who

understands us it's a wonderful feeling

um

okay so if we

yeah so

this is a known unknown we're talking

about the footprint

to get everything to get any new viewers

into the fray i think it's a word okay i

just want to show what we did in the

beginning of the stream to um

we have identified what i think are the

most important known unknowns we want we

want to eventually move them

uh to this side to make them known

knowns

and we're talking right now about the

machine footprint and the machine dna

and it is very obvious that the previous

machines are so loved but i think there

is

maybe a trap there

in the love for our old machines

can you find uh on youtube patch

methini's orchestrion project uh

yeah soonish i am busy here reading the

wonderful chat and as max no million

says to make it feel less wide you could

be the two drums not in a straight line

so maybe like a 120 degree angle between

them oh that's a good idea

i mean and there we come also towards

the circular circular things so and also

here luis philippe

ingrass wider means easier to make and

easier to see things yeah definitely

totally agree

um

can i move around let me see if it

allows me i don't think so oh it does no

it doesn't it only moves in a group

okay let's see a bjorn guard

i think it needs to be somewhat

complicated to be interesting like a

mechanical watch versus a quartz watch

okay so that's in the dna for him

mechanical watch versus a quartz watch

yeah so so the internet

i totally agree with you bjorn um the

intertwinedness

uh

makes it exciting like how is it still

working despite the fact like it's the

antikythera mechanism like everything is

so compact and close to each other but

believe me

we would this would still be so busy we

don't have we have one percent of the

parts on screen right now

um

i'm thinking

you know what we had this nice comment

about the drum placement i'm going to go

and do some design actually and also

here speaking about drum placements from

red hot bagel for me some of the magic

is in the compactness can you go more

compact when drums aren't marble played

yes if the drums aren't marker played we

can go much more compact

but then the drum loop is only 16 beats

and with the marbles they can make

variations which i thought was so

magical

um let's go over to the drum kit

assembly and see if we can move things

around a little bit and some perspective

before i start looking for that clip you

wanted me to look at one bald man

bigger isn't always better just quote

unquote easier look at nasa versus

spacex

oh i don't know i should know the

reference

um

oh do you mean like the bigger uh like

company or rocket i'm probably rocket

like

i'm going to move

why is this like this

ah this didn't end up well

move

this is a

parametric designs i can actually move

it properly by activating this and going

down into my timeline

you know what i'm gonna

do i'm gonna do something here i'm gonna

make a copy of this i'm gonna kill all

the links

so we can move things around freely in

this design

um

i think that's the proper thing to do

let me cut this off and let me cut this

off

let me go into this view

so

i should have prepared this i'm going to

copy this one

and copy

i'm gonna open up this new sketch

sketch one

then we and i'm gonna kill

so what you do is that you can kill all

the

design

history in this copy

and then i can

kill the link

to the other things i'm just killing

all the design history so we can move

the drums freely

so let's do that

super fun to brainstorm with y'all i've

been longing for this

break link

and again the the thing with the

the straight line

is making it easier to

um

that doesn't work

can i move it like this

what was the hardest again you wanted me

to look for

oh it's because there's a rigid pap

methane orchestrion project

pat mathini while i love papathini um

this is a good example of when the

modular design becomes like i can show

where i think the modular design has

gone too far i don't think we can play

the music but we can probably look a

little bit on the video

um

[Music]

an excerpt from the orchestron project

perhaps yeah that's good

i hope it's muted no that's mute

why am i not allowed to move a single

thing in this card

there we also have someone

again

talking about let's see here hyper ban

can you put registrators instruments on

both sides of the drum it would

need a different mechanism on the

opposite side

can you put registration instruments on

both sides of the drum it would need a

different mechanism on that side so that

is

possible

for me

that that that is this 90 degree example

so on the ipad

uh if we go to the sketch pad

we are

kind of looking at that and

for me

one one like pivotal design tenant is

that if someone looks at looks at the

machine i always wanted them to be able

to look at all the action at the same

time so let's say that if we wrap the

instrument around one corner that should

be possible um

and and in this case if if the

drums are here and these are the loop

beaters

this loop will will have to be 90

degrees

uh facing this direction and the

programming wheel this direction

and we only have to have six channels

with marbles i only want

two here

two here and two here so we only have to

go over six times with six bowden cables

over to this side

you always love this didn't you sir 3k

yeah

here's all something we have talked

about in

different locations from jim

heber or jim herbert

to make the base more compact since the

person will not handling the guitar it

does not need the body all you need is

the neck and strings and pick up slash

electronics nice comment i said to hans

the other day

i'm actually prepared to use a stick

base so let's go back to cad

and

so i want i really wanted like a cello

shape and stuff like that

and

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i just said the other day

i'm actually con i actually prepared to

do some

um

soul searching

so let's cut this beautiful body away

let's make our dreams

let's dream some new dreams

and let's not be bogged down

by our old

dreams yeah it looks cool but perhaps it

doesn't need to be that way for and from

function dipoles are nice i will just

pull it up as well from b boo champ

i agree with whoever said that they

loved the way the mmx hyatt system

worked that was magical no marbles

involved and still magical oh like the

heist machine yeah

the loop drum

will be it's going to be crazy cool yeah

is it magical oh look at that i hate it

yeah for now we hate it

but space wise

well we need still if we're gonna we

play by more oh i figured out the other

day

uh by sorry i'm getting excited i

figured we love when you get excited man

i figured out a new pattern for the

hammer jammer of the bass so here we're

looking at the strings from the top

um

in the wrong order never mind and i

thought the hammer jammer needed to be

like this so eight hit points uh like

this

and they flare like this

uh

and one more

but

i think

that if we doesn't want to flare that we

could actually make the hit point

something like this

with the double because we need to

invent a double drop anyway

um

so

so then this t because i was thinking

when we make the bass smaller

so now you can see that the hit points

are almost as as the string size almost

um

okay

let's go to canned yeah and jockey

monster asks here what about beaters for

the drum like the bass and there are

beaters on the drums

beaters and marbles are getting dropped

yes

so i have them here

they are ugly right now they're only

there for

and this these beaters are four times

tighter

than the marbles where on the marble

machine x and arms were pretty tight so

i'm expecting really good performance

from the drum from the drummer and it

will

have like a solid foundation of the beat

so

so they're

they are tighter because this loop wheel

plays four times

rotates four times faster than this

wheel

um

[Music]

and

i actually thought it would rotate eight

times faster but i realized that was

even too fast

um

so where were we

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and i have another one to just

throw out here because this is also

interesting for one bald man curve the

front of all the instruments

drums in the middle split the vibraphone

between each side think crescent moon

machine is deeper not wider

curve

curved front curved front all the

instruments

drums in the middle

split the vibraphone between each side

think crescent moon

machine is deeper not wider also like

two flanks yeah

drums in the middle

split the vibraphone between each side

so i'm i'm very much in love with the

circular vibraphone

like if

like

and if somehow from a footprint

perspective that could be formed from

function i'm like oh yes

so

crescent moon

a bee boot champion i love this comment

also hammer jammer was my suggestion by

the way i expect either to be paid

billions from a genius of the mm3 or a

50 discount on your canadian mm3 world

tour concert

fantastic bibo the hammer jammer has

solved a lot thank you so much for that

suggestion i would love to have an

official like

way to record all those little small

contributions

maybe that's something that the

community can can start keeping track of

without starting to climb on each other

fighting for fighting for glory and

being being enemies mortal enemies

um

yeah the hammer jammer is great

um it's a deal it's a deal it's a deal

the discount is a deal

but no i'm not selling the battery

before it's made this time no probably

there will never be a torso so but

perhaps

we will tour the land of canada and we

can't just go and shake his hand

that would be fantastic 50 off for the

handshake

look at sir 3k who has a selling upgrade

and is now selling handshakes that went

fast i love it

love it love it we sweets are not good

marketing people we have to learn from

horrible from our friends across the

pond who are much better we think like

okay if we if we just sit in our

t-shirts people will buy that

but that's an excellent way to support

us is to buy merch from us look at the

selling upgrade on this box

my god isn't it beautiful where are we

so this is such an interesting

discussion we're having let's let's

let's try to

haul it back in

um so i i

the line of the drums

uh i've angled them

i've angled them a little bit like this

now but the fact to have things at the

straight line

is just the the easiest way for all the

dropping right

not only that but also for the

for the distance to the loop machine so

it's the same action on the kick drum

same action on this arm same space and

everything okay but

let's go to one of our images with a

mushroom

because another thing that wait let's go

here let's go to the

i can actually do that myself no oh wow

double one

so um

while you do that i just want to put up

here robert

i think you focus too much on drums i

think a really good vibraphone solution

with the sorta working mmx base is a

cool mvp

drums can be added later

i i i have that feeling as well robert i

i have this feeling that

like

imagine going to a concert and there's

an intro

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[Applause]

[Music]

all this is played by marbles

[Music]

no drums

and then we do

the program switch trick

and it's still only marbles

i showed this 100 times but what i mean

is that

this is why i want a full-size

vibraphone

it has to be a full-size vibraphone

kimuton yeah and you know what b

bootchamp accepts the deal

[Laughter]

wonderful vivo

um

fantastic and

i just realized the marble catcher

is also a red i just turned it red it's

also a red known unknown and that's

where i want to go to the circular um

sketch

can we pull that up sir 3k it's from the

no wait i have it in my um sketch pad

here because i sketched on the thing

here

oh yeah

let's see

there we go yeah

so

i'm

very worried about the marble uh

capturing

because i think it's gonna look ugly

and

um

to have

to have like a circular

cake thing

around the whole machine

and i come up like from a

huge musical birthday cake

um

it makes

so you remember

yes

exactly that's how that's that's exactly

i wanted you remember the joke with the

funnel

how can you ever forget it right

where did where where did we have it is

it here

let's get yes

it's in this cad

so we had this machine that we get in

the beginning yeah

um

and

then

i said like

that we solved the funnel issue

and it's still as funny as day and i

just mean if we go to that look at this

and go over to the sketch pad

it's the same yes

it's a brilliant idea and it's it would

just like

it's a way to turn this design

requirement of having something

capturing all the

all the um marbles

into kind of something beautiful

and

yeah it's a sean michelle shouted

i have adhd and love making music also

make a founder with holes to make a

circular vibraphone as i make a funnel

with holes to make a

circular vibraphone i'm

first of all i'm so happy for your

comment second of all i'm sorry your

username didn't it didn't work out

because i i failed with the mmx but this

is mmxt it's mmxt touring version now i

see it

still on point and valid

it's up to you martin to fail now

also make a funnel with holes to make a

circular vibrophone

so

let me let me sketch something about the

circular design that has been on my mind

um we're just brainstorming a high level

here if we have a circular vibraphone

the funnels

can be much larger because they are on

the outside of the perimeter so here

we have one measurement

but the funnels can be here and they can

be much larger

so with the circular vibraphone

we could potentially go back to

individual funnels which means that we

could go to this

feed

only

the red marbles

into the red channel

so there's a loop here which means

that we don't need a marble divider

so if it's true then we could um

so green marbles goes to green channel

with a circular design i have the

feeling and if i sketch it from the side

um i also have the feeling that we can

take back the cool funnel design if we

don't want the birthday cake

so if we have this

if we have the circular microphone here

a lot of engineers will be pissed off if

i'm going serious with this

um

that we can have like this and music

funnels coming back to us oh yeah the

flowers the the flowers that failed

the first flowers that ever failed

so i'm not drawing them so beautifully

here but

we get the point and we can have the

move when collecting

because

thanks to the fact that this distance

out here is much larger than the

distance in here

we could make the funnels big enough so

they are actually not missing the

marbles like on on

on the old and then

in this case i do want the plates to

move and imagine that the

resonator pipes

would be this church organ style so they

will be longer and they will be shorter

like this i mean it's so beautiful

true thing of butte

it's a true thing of you and then pute

and then we could continue

with the drums over here like like

people have suggested suggested

um

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and then i'm playing over here bass

there is something about this

yeah a slice of sport also commented

separating the vibraphone from the drums

should make it much easier to play

manually

imagine moving from the base over in

front of the vibe

yes

that's why i want the bass guitar next

to the vibraphone so i can just stretch

my hand and play like this

of course on the circular it's going to

be a little bit tricky

a circular chromatic

um

oh brilliant context question for us

here on vintage live as well

chief

asks here i love your channel i'm sure

you've answered this but will these

streams be edited at some point

i know these streams won't be edited but

over on the main wintergatan youtube

channel

we do weekly summaries of what we've

been doing this week somebody got on

live

so here we stream everything the whole

process and on wednesdays on the main

channel we summarize what's been going

on so if you want condensed versions

that's on wednesdays on the main

bintigota youtube channel

thank you so much

definitely thank you so much and i'm

trying to reign in this discussion too

maybe to get somewhere like what can we

get out of this

i really appreciate this discussion are

you just gonna derail me a little bit oh

yeah okay good so this is um all credit

to path methini

but

this is why i don't want to use

solenoids of course you have to go and

look at it it looks like any music

so this is a modular thing so pat is

standing in the middle oh there's the

mallet machine you're right i should not

build a mallet machine there we go

so they built all these mechanical

instruments

and they're standing everywhere apart

from where pat is and they put a drum

and they put a lamp i think on the drum

kit so the lamp is lighting up when the

kick is played

i don't know if this this looks like

it's filmed like any music do you think

this was inspired by pipe dream as well

and the 2013 2010 yeah it's after

pipedream i think

they have the tubular belts there and as

you can see like it's um

the piano is self-playing

also the mallets and the mallets are

actually obstructing the vibraphone did

you see how they built it um from two

sides there yeah

um

it's a little bit un

unfair to critique sound music video

with no sound

but

but the feeling that he so this is just

this is the feeling that i don't want

people to get when they go to our tour

it should not be like it should not be

so let's

let's say that we have

absolutely decided that it's not modular

in the sense with separate modules

standing far away from each other we

don't want to build that it has to be

one thing

yep can you go forward to see if the

drums um

are playing so we can see the so see we

can see the lights of the drums

let's see if something happens here

oh that's a sliding that's a cool thing

though look how it's sliding i think

it's making like chords and stuff i have

to go watch this

uh with sound after the stream

um

the self playing piano oh

they have oh we have to check this out

actually

but

yeah

bringing that on tour that's easy

oh there's a vibraphone

so there's solenoids this is a solenoid

party and like

um

and also of course i think

the light engineer

should have been fired before they

filmed this video you cannot see

anything no

give give it just white light

and this video would have been viral

give it these like stupid search lights

and

how many because it's not interesting

they need to do something with the light

boom

oh that's maybe

how i love patent athena yeah that's

that's really really cool it's taking

everything back how many views does the

video have

three hundred thousand yeah that's why

you have like not even one percent of

the machine video because the lightning

shows that's why you have floor painted

floor painting paper from bltm in your

music video that's how you make it viral

folks look at the cookie swedes

pat is wonderful i saw patmenting in

plainlivens.com actually zg1 like a big

organ register like left the base middle

vibrate and right drums in a wrinkled

half square

like left bass middle vibrophone and

drag drums in like a big organ register

yeah i like this uh we called half

square it's it's the

it's a 90 degree solution i think

so

how do we summarize all our collective

thoughts um first i just have more more

here oh wow dynamic commander remember

that the crowd watching the show would

be placed on a lower height than machine

catching marbles in front of the

vibraphone will block view

that's also very very very true um

one idea that is interesting is if we

can angle

and i was thinking about that actually

regards to that's a good that's a good

thought so if we if we go to the sketch

pad

so say the marble comes down here

if we make

more of an angle this time

um then the volume will be less but then

the marble will move

straight down right away i'm painting

outside there

um

but then the resonator will be in

and if we then have a circular

arrangement

these resonators will start to collide

so they have to be far apart so so so

they can fit

good sketching here

and that will also be very visual

because then we can have the funnels

below

to not obstruct the view yeah

i think on big shows we're going to have

like cameras also on big screens and

stuff like that but you do want

want to see the machine

yeah absolutely and a follow-up from

chief here oh good thank you so much

again just love your content and wish

you the best seeing you working to

achieve your dream is so awesome thank

you so much i'm

i am

right now i don't know if this

is a dream

that it will be only a pipe dream or or

if it can actually be something so

where do we summarize where we're

standing i wanna i wanna show you once

again where we started

um

this

and i think

the upcoming week

or weeks

i'm going to

keep on dive deeper in this

i

the bowden hydraulics means if we can

put an instrument

long further away from the programming

wheel

and the marble size and materials means

how much width do we need between gates

if i want big marbles like this 30 or 40

millimeters the gates naturally have to

be more wide apart

and yeah

i don't know

the mvp minimum viable product for the

audience or for martian thing this is

basically

i start to really understand why people

have said you have to write to sign

requirements before designing

so that's why i think in the upcoming

weeks

it's going to be a lot of sketching

and a lot of design requirement thinking

what do you think

what what is what are your high level

thoughts right now sir 3k about the

design

uh

okay yeah i'm reading chat so much so i

get influenced over there as well but i

see a lot of

uh like we talked about a hybrid between

the two a and two b ones

with all the sign

uh yeah let's go back to

yeah this is this is this is a good

summary

right here the 2a and 2b

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i i think where i'm sitting right now

version 1 another machine x

excluded version 3 completely modular

patentee orchestrion style excluded

big all-in-one sections not modules

square 90 degrees or circular

or a combination yeah i would uh we need

to think about all the placement of can

we play stuff on the side

can we play stuff in the back

safe space what is the time 1920

you know what i want to do

i want to do i want to do a 90 degree as

as fast as i can

uh

absolutely see if this cat want to work

with me let's take this

and let's turn it into a 90 degree thing

because i think i can actually move

okay i'm gonna give you a better better

better

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90 degree solution for the wind

i'm gonna show you the 90 degree i've

excluded it from my um

from my mind

toby instead of these

four options one two three you could do

something in between two a and two b in

front a straight vibraphone off the

shelf and on the sides a bit circular

like the bass and the drums

that's also very very interesting

so there is something with this design

it doesn't oh maybe it's because i have

to save it hang on is that why i can't

move things

why why don't you allow me to move this

i'm

it's so strange i think

satish kumar you should do a decision

matrix on this

ah interesting

you see chad has also learned our

viewers have learned now that's how you

do the tough decisions do a matrix

there's something with this

there's something here why why am i not

allowed to move

things here this one i can move

this one doesn't allow me to move is

there a rigid group or something

somewhere

i can move this one

but if i try to it won't go

and i kill the design history maybe if i

start the design history again

fusion is not working with me

no no

so i have to copy it and paste it again

i can do that

copy the whanau atsalini

thank you so much thank you so much

i managed to do a

workaround this is not this is not that

bad

this is maybe not that bad maybe there

is something to this

because what i really want is to not

have things on top of each other

so what happens now is i can

you like it i'm starting to getting some

minor goosebumps appearing

minor goosebumps

most of all

the machine itself will become like an

acoustic wall between the snare and the

vibraphone

um so i can put a snare on the side

where the height is i this doesn't look

bad

and let me just

put the snare in there

hey little stick bass

get over here get over here

get your ugly

face over here

little duckling

it's ugly duckling

you know what i don't hate it

no i know

because when when you look at it from

when you look at it from here

there we go

gmp 612 yes i love it

hang on [ __ ] we need to

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angle this fusion please let me angle

this okay so some some designs have some

uh

restrictions for some reason

so the loop wheel did you see what i did

i put it in a 90 degree angle because it

has to be

perpendicular to to the drums

so and magnus surrender loves it also he

has been posting suggestions i remember

that name we recognize you among us from

your great suggestions so so fun that

you're here live

um and this is pretty cool like imagine

seeing this wheel turning turning like

this and seeing this returning like holy

moly you like it yes

it has complexity without it being

complex right because they're going to

work pretty simple but it looks complex

listen to circle 3k it adds complexity

without it being complex wow

so now

i can move this uh friend

in here

esteban pratt perfect

and this says it all

bency

all the smiley emojis

um

well it's a little bit of a joy joy joy

calculation now because i don't know if

we can fit

that many programming tracks on this

small wheel yes yes yes yes yes yes so

let me try to

make you all a little bit maybe less

excited

marcus off man finally what the chat has

been screaming for days

um that's fun um

i'm going to just make the

wheel a little bit larger

i'm just going to put it out there

mike kelly perfect perfect example of

form from function okay yeah

imagine this angle you're you're seeing

like the drums play let me just make a

pattern on this drum beater

because that is going to make this this

is gonna make people fall in love with

this angle

um

so i'm just gonna

do a lot of bitters here let's do

10

now

let's do 10.

sometimes

[Laughter]

uh i have to redo that sorry for this

select directions

this direction and i

drag it out

and we need

let me just

nikita kutsulev it seems very difficult

to change the bottom wheel and that's

the beautiful thing that is not going to

be changed right

yeah it is going to be changed it's

going to be changed nikita you're

absolutely correct um well let's work on

that next time

yeah that's something we have to figure

out

um yeah

one step at a time this is just we're

getting a feel of is this even possible

yeah

aesthetic wise and work wise i'm going

to move the registrator assembly over

to the correct position like there

boom looks better

and i want to base a little bit closer

uh but maybe that's hopium

and i really want to

um

i want two rows of the vibraphone

let me

let me at least look at it one last time

here we go marvel machine three everyone

thanks for watching

now this is fun but it it's it's going

to be

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it's going to be a lot of so the fly

will you

oh i just had a i just had a crazy idea

i love those check this out

because this flywheel is the proudest

thing on the machine for me

what if

we move it into prime position

it should probably be low but i'm going

let me let me just entertain the thought

so

we're

we're moving it up

here

oh

like and because there it's like it's

because the flywheel is the ticking

thing inside a clock like it's it's the

thing that makes this all this possible

and i've been dreaming about showcasing

this flywheel ever since i started to

think about the machine i'm just gonna

uh get everything else oh yeah and i

totally agree with tessa here

oh my god this opens up so much space

for cup holders

test size part t-rex a team t-rex test

someone said that

with a cup holder on the machine you

would actually see how much vibrations

are incurring

are in the machine

that is true tessa

[Laughter]

that's funny

so

uh with the flywheel up there let me

just remove the flywheel down here

i'm getting a little bit giddy over here

it's almost like the circular thing

without being circular yeah

and of course like the top view

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the top view is just going to be

gorgeous look at this

yes

yes

and retro wave like with all the

arpeggios like

like we're on there

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but it's hope you maybe maybe not maybe

not

nice like camera action when you when

you kind of fly here like

it is fun actually it is fun

what have we solved

the instruments are not on top of each

other that is that's that's something

um

desert pillar h3k excitement levels are

on point for sure and you know what they

are not faked

at all this is just genuine happiness

coming out of me

it

it's even more endearing for me in the

room because hannes know that i've been

tensed for two days so what he's

actually happy about is that he sees me

feeling a little bit better

plus that i think you love the look at

the machine let's turn the camera to

orthographic then it's not so cool okay

let's go back to perspective then see i

unlike the stream to like it again

that's that's brilliant that's a good

place for a reminder from me

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for that unlocking and liking

a gonsonator says flywheel should be

lower for stability yeah yeah

there are trade-offs to be made here as

well but it's fun to explore this

i've been hearing it in chat a lot and

i've been thinking of it as well just to

see the possibilities with this

is exciting

so

regarding the flywheel i didn't think of

it actually

but you will really see it as well if

it's down there where it was

because um

let me see the drive train

i think it's this one i just have to

locate it

i'm going to put the old flywheel on

here so

when you're here if the flywheel is big

enough you will sense it rotating behind

the drums as well

so maybe form from function it should be

down there

and as bee boot champ says you know what

to say about incredibly dangerous

spinning metal flywheels always put them

as high as possible and ideally at head

heights

bibo i listened to you about the hammer

jammer i'm not sure i should listen this

time

um

well everyone this was

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this gives us all something to think

about

i think if we go back quickly to the

sketch pad

i think we're kind of in that middle

section with this one yeah we're kind of

in um

it's actually the 2c let's actually

let's actually

2c

is the 90 degree

tick tick tick tick tick in drums here

i like how that last sketch is

smallest

so we're kind of in that territory now

where um

it doesn't feel

module it doesn't feel modular it has it

it has

let's put this

next to

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i'm going to take a screenshot of this

here

and then

i'm going to open up

let can you entertain the audience when

i make

one thing here what are you asking of me

now that i'm at my happiest

and foundations here says to me hannes

please check the discord live stream

chat for a suggestion i will take a look

at that off stream

uh where we

soonish finished here so

but thank you so much i will take a look

at it

okay i'm gonna i'm gonna do this

and i'm just gonna prepare something for

you all

something to leave you all on a high

note here yeah um

lucas vandal says it by the way you

don't need the belt's pulley to be on

the same size of the barrel or same side

of the barrel i think he means right

and

cypunk215 try different orientations of

the instruments then rework the frame

yes

wow

this makes me happy at least

experimenting a little bit woohoo

one second yeah it's going to be worth

it

i know it's going to be

let me just

do this and nikolas stabelini double fly

wheel size and put it on the other side

double it

even bigger

and i see a lot of people has uploaded

sketches to dropbox and we will look at

them perhaps off stream we can't always

bring them up live here

but thank you so much for

suggesting stuff to us

you are the greatest crowd to have and

you're so kind and generous a lot of

super chats today

which is a

a way that you can contribute to us

since when

martin closed down patreon and youtube

members when the mmx was discontinued as

we say

super chats and buying our merch is

kind of like the only ways to support us

nowadays

so thank you very very much we

appreciate it especially very much

especially since we're really

professional with how we make that

that

sliding things around in the stream now

sincerely thank you everyone here is

where i want to leave you all today i've

put a third machine

i put a third machine and

what makes me happy is that it's clearly

not the same the same

but you can clearly feel that they're

related you know what put just hearts in

my eyes right now you love it this is

gonna be great

yeah and what else is great is that

having this process with you live is

making me very much happy i went from

i'm went from either skeptic to uh

careful um carefully optimistic yes

something like this

and i'm going to mark this live stream

as done thank you everyone for being so

fantastic and we wish you all a

fantastic day

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