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Why monkeys (and humans) are wired for fairness

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    My first year in graduate school,
    studying cooperation in monkeys,
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    I spent a lot of time outside,
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    just watching our groups
    of capuchin monkeys interact.
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    One afternoon, I was out back
    feeding peanuts to one of our groups,
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    which required distracting
    one of our males, Ozzie,
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    enough so that the other monkeys
    could get some.
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    Ozzie loved peanuts,
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    and he always tried to do
    anything he could to grab some.
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    On that day, however,
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    he began trying to bring other things
    from his enclosure to me
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    and trade them with me
    in order to get a peanut.
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    Now, capuchins are smart,
    so this wasn't necessarily a surprise.
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    But what was a surprise
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    was that some of the things
    that he was bringing me,
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    I was pretty sure he liked
    better than peanuts.
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    First, he brought me
    a piece of monkey chow,
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    which is like dried dog food --
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    it was even made by Purina --
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    and for a monkey,
    is about as worthless as it gets.
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    Of course, I didn't give him
    a peanut for that.
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    But he kept trying,
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    and eventually, he brought me
    a quarter of an orange
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    and tried to trade it
    with me for a peanut.
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    Now, oranges are a valuable
    monkey commodity,
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    so this trade seemed, shall I say,
    a little bit nuts?
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    Now you may be wondering
    how we know what monkeys prefer.
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    Well, we ask them,
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    by giving them a choice between two foods
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    and seeing which one they pick.
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    Generally speaking,
    their preferences are a lot like ours:
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    the sweeter it is, the more they like it.
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    So, much like humans prefer
    cupcakes to kale,
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    monkeys prefer fruits,
    like oranges or grapes,
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    to vegetables like cucumbers,
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    and all of this to monkey chow.
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    And peanuts are not bad.
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    However, they definitely don't prefer them
    to a chunk of orange.
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    So when Ozzie tried to trade
    a quarter of an orange for a peanut,
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    it was a surprise,
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    and I began to wonder
    if he suddenly wanted that peanut
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    because everybody else
    in his group was getting one.
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    In case you're wondering,
    I did give Ozzie his peanut.
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    But then I went straight
    to my graduate adviser,
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    Frans de Waal,
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    and we began to design a study
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    to see how the monkeys would respond
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    when somebody else in their group
    got a better reward than they did
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    for doing the same work.
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    It was a very simple study.
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    We took two monkeys from the same group
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    and had them sit side by side,
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    and they would do a task,
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    which was trading a token with me,
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    and if they did so successfully,
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    they got a reward.
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    The catch was that one monkey
    always got a piece of cucumber,
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    and the other monkey
    sometimes got a piece of cucumber,
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    but sometimes got a grape.
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    And if you'll recall,
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    grapes are much preferred to cucumbers
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    on the capuchin monkey hierarchy.
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    These are two of my capuchin monkeys.
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    Winter, on the right,
    is trading for a grape,
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    and Lance, on the left,
    is trading for a cucumber.
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    You can see that she --
    and yes, Lance is actually a female --
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    is at first perfectly happy
    with her cucumber,
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    until she sees Winter trading for a grape.
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    Suddenly, Lance is very
    enthusiastic about trading.
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    She gets her cucumber,
    takes a bite and then --
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    throws it right back out again.
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    Meanwhile, Winter trades again
    and gets another grape,
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    and has Lance's undivided attention
    while she eats it.
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    This time,
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    Lance is not
    so enthusiastic about trading.
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    But eventually, she does so.
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    But when she gets the cucumber
    this time around,
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    she doesn't even take a bite
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    before she throws it back out again.
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    Apparently, Lance only wants a cucumber
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    when she hasn't just watched
    Winter eat a grape.
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    And Lance was not alone in this.
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    All of my capuchins were perfectly happy
    with their cucumbers
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    as long as the other monkeys
    were getting cucumbers too.
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    But they often weren't so happy
    with their cucumbers
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    when other monkeys were getting a grape.
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    The obvious question is why?
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    If they liked those cucumbers before,
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    what changed?
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    Now, I'm a scientist,
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    and scientists are famously shy
    about reading too much into our studies,
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    especially when it comes
    to what other animals
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    are thinking or feeling,
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    because we can't ask them.
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    But still, what I was seeing in my monkeys
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    looked an awful lot like what we humans
    would call a sense of fairness.
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    After all,
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    the difference in that cucumber
    was that it came after Winter got a grape,
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    rather than before.
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    We humans are obsessed with fairness.
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    I have a younger sister,
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    and when we were little,
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    if my sister got a bigger piece
    of the pie than me,
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    even by a crumb,
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    I was furious.
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    It wasn't fair.
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    And the childhood me is not alone.
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    We humans hate getting
    less than another so much
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    that one study found
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    that if humans were given
    a hypothetical choice
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    between earning 50,000 dollars a year
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    while others earned 25,000 dollars,
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    or earning 100,000 dollars a year
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    while others earned 250,000 dollars,
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    nearly half the subjects
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    prefer to earn 50,000 dollars
    a year less money
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    to avoid earning relatively less
    than someone else.
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    That's a pretty big price to pay.
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    What drives people
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    to this sort of apparently
    irrational decision-making?
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    After all,
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    throwing away your cucumber
    because someone else got a grape
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    only makes sense
    if it makes things more fair.
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    Otherwise, Winter has a grape,
    and you have nothing.
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    Of course humans are not capuchin monkeys.
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    But on the surface,
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    sacrificing 50,000 dollars
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    because somebody else
    is going to earn more money than you
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    makes no more sense
    than throwing away that cucumber.
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    Except maybe it does.
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    Some economists think
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    that the sense of fairness in humans
    is tied to cooperation.
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    In other words, we need
    that sense of fairness
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    when we're working with somebody else
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    to know when we're getting
    the short end of the stick.
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    Think about it this way.
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    Let's say you have a colleague at work
    who's having a hard time
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    and needs a little extra help.
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    You're probably more
    than happy to help out,
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    especially if she does
    the same for you when you need it.
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    In other words, if things even out.
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    But now,
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    let's say that colleague
    is always slacking off
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    and dumping extra work on you.
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    That's infuriating.
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    Or worse,
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    what if you're doing all the work,
    and she's getting paid more.
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    You're outraged, right?
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    As well you should be.
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    That righteous fury
    is your sense of fairness
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    telling you that, well, it's not fair.
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    You need to get your fair share
    from the people you're working with,
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    or it's exploitation, not cooperation.
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    You may not be able to leave every job
    where you're treated unfairly,
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    but in a perfect world,
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    one without racism and sexism
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    and the frictions associated
    with finding a new job,
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    it's your sense of fairness
    that would let you know
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    when it was time to move on.
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    And if you couldn't?
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    Well, that smoldering frustration
    might make you throw your cucumbers too.
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    And humans are not alone in this.
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    In the previous study,
    there was nothing Lance could do about it,
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    but what if there had been?
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    It turns out
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    that capuchins simply refuse
    to cooperate with other capuchins
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    who don't give them their share
    after they worked together.
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    And refusing to work together
    with another monkey
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    is a pretty straightforward way
    of leveling the playing field.
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    Apparently, no monkey
    getting anything at all
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    is better than another
    monkey getting more.
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    But much like you and your coworker,
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    they're perfectly happy
    with a little short-term inequality
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    as long as everything evens out
    over the long run.
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    This economic connection
    between fairness and cooperation
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    makes sense to me
    as an evolutionary biologist.
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    After all,
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    your ancestors didn't get
    to pass on their genes
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    because they did well
    in some absolute sense,
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    but because they did better than others.
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    We don't call it survival of the fit,
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    we call it survival of the fittest.
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    As in more fit than others.
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    It's all relative.
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    OK.
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    So my capuchins don't like it
    when they get less than another.
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    And they're perfectly happy
    to sacrifice their cucumbers
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    to level the playing field.
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    That's great.
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    But what we would call
    a sense of fairness in humans
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    also means that we care
    when we get more than someone else.
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    What about my monkeys?
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    It turns out
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    that primates do notice
    when they get more than others,
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    or at least some of them do.
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    My capuchins do not.
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    But in one of my studies,
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    my chimpanzees would
    sometimes refuse a grape
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    if another chimpanzee
    in their group got a cucumber,
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    which is pretty impressive,
    given how much my chimpanzees like grapes.
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    However, they were still more upset
    when they got less than another chimp
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    as compared to when they got more.
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    You may not think it's fair
    when you have more than your neighbor,
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    but you really don't think it's fair
    when your neighbor has more than you.
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    Here's an important question, though.
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    Why do we care
    about inequality or unfairness
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    when we are the ones
    who are unfairly benefiting?
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    If evolution is about
    survival of the fittest,
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    wouldn't it make sense to grab
    any advantage you can get?
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    Here's the thing though.
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    I do better if I get more than you, sure.
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    But best of all is if you and I
    can work together
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    and get more than either one of us
    could have gotten on our own.
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    But why would you work with me
    if you don't think I'm going to play fair?
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    But if you think I'm going to notice
    when I've got more than you
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    and do something about it,
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    then you will work with me.
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    Evolution has selected us
    to accept the occasional short-term loss
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    in order to maintain these all-important
    long-term relationships.
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    This is true in chimpanzees,
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    but it is even more important in humans.
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    Humans are incredibly interconnected
    and interdependent,
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    and we have the advanced
    cognitive abilities
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    to be able to plan far into the future.
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    And to recognize the importance
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    of maintaining these
    cooperative partnerships.
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    Indeed, if anything,
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    I think we are likely underplaying
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    how important the sense
    of fairness is for people.
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    One of the biggest differences
    between humans and capuchin monkeys
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    is the sheer magnitude and ubiquity
    of cooperation in humans.
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    In other words,
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    we're a lot more cooperative
    than capuchin monkeys are.
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    Legal and economic systems
    literally only exist
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    if we all agree to participate in them.
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    And if people feel left out
    of the rewards and benefits
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    of those systems,
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    then they stop participating,
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    and the whole system falls apart.
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    Many of the protests
    and uprisings we're seeing,
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    both in the US and around the globe,
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    are explicitly framed
    in terms of fairness,
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    which is not surprising to me.
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    Whether it's about disproportionate
    access to resources,
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    or that some groups are being
    disproportionately impacted
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    by the legal system
    or the effects of a virus,
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    these protests are the logical outcome
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    of our long evolutionary tendency
    to reject unfairness
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    combined with our long history
    of social stratification.
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    And the systemic inequalities
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    that have resulted
    from that stratification.
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    Layer on top of this the fact
    that by many measures
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    economic inequality is skyrocketing.
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    Chris Boehm wrote a book
    called "Hierarchy in the Forest,"
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    in which he argued
    that humans have reverse hierarchies
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    in which those at the bottom band together
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    to keep those at the top
    from taking advantage of them.
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    Perhaps these protests
    are simply the latest manifestation
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    of humans' tendency
    to rebalance the hierarchy.
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    Perhaps the biggest difference
    between us and capuchin monkeys
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    is that we can recognize this problem
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    and actively work
    to do something about it.
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    Of course we recognize
    when we're disadvantaged.
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    But we can and we must also recognize
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    when we're advantaged
    at the expense of someone else,
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    and recognize fairness
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    as the balance between
    these two inequalities,
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    because our society
    literally depends upon it.
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    Indeed, my research shows
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    that not all primate species
    care about inequality.
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    It's only those that rely on cooperation,
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    which most definitely includes humans.
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    We evolved to care about fairness
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    because we rely on each other
    for our cooperative society.
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    And the more unfair the world gets,
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    and the less we care about each other,
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    the more peril we will face.
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    Our issues are more complex
    than grapes and cucumbers,
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    but as the capuchins have taught us,
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    we will all do better
    when we all play fair.
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    Thank you.
Title:
Why monkeys (and humans) are wired for fairness
Speaker:
Sarah Brosnan
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Video Language:
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