Facebook Files Explained

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Herald: The Facebook files last year,
Harvard graduated and Facebook employe,

FH enhanded huge internal
Facebook documents to, among others,

newspapers, journals and in fact, the US
Senate said it was there to testify about

Facebook's conduct. This has gained
quite some, quite some attention, but at

least in Germany not as
ambitious as it should have. And I'm

welcoming today. Lena? And Svea? HalIo! Will
be giving us the better insight into

Facebook files. We believe in having a 30
minute talk by the end about it wasn't in

our Q&A after that. So please do continue
with your questions on the various

channels. They will hopefully miraculously
a few of this week to be transferred over

the air to our mates, who will be giving
us many insights. The screen is yours very

much.
Svea: OK. Thank you so much. It's great to

be here. Sorry, first of all, for my voice
because I'm having the Congress flu

without Congress laughing. No, just
just the bad cold, but no COVID. So

everything is fine. Yeah. Thank you so
much for welcoming us today. Before we

dive into the Facebook files and give you
a an exclusive view and inside, let us

shortly introduce us. So yeah, I do. Lena,
you go first.

Lena: I am Lena. I'm an investigative
reporter with the WDR Zeitung in Berlin

and they mostly work on terror
investigations, but also anything complex.

So I, of course, jumped on the Facebook
files as well.

Svea: Yes. And my name is Svea. I also am
an investigative reporter working

freelance for NDR television, mostly on
tech issues. And then Lena and I, we

worked very closely together for several
weeks or months now on the Facebook files.

We were in the team. We had the contact to
FH first and Europe and also

we had to. We had the chance to look and
work very closely with the files, and we

did a lot of stories on these issues. And
so we thought, this would be a great time

to give some behind the scenes views and
to tell you a little bit what's not all

in all the newspapers, some more details
about, FH and also what's in

the files and what's not in the files and
how they should be read or interpreted. So

this is what this is about, and I will now
open the presentation on the screen and

vanish behind behind it. So yeah, have a
great time and Lena will start first. OK,

let's see. This is who we are you. We just
told you. And then let's go, Lena.

Lena: I consider the presentation,
Svea: OK, sorry. Then let's just get to

make sure that yes, is it? Yes. Sorry. OK,
now this should work. Who is FH?

OK. Lena, you go first.
Lena: So who is FH? Most of

you have seen already, but in the
beginning wasn't so clear in September,

when, in September 2021, the Wall Street
Journal started publishing a series of

articles and podcasts under the name of
the Facebook Files. The leaker was still

anonymous. The reports were riveting
because these journalists from the Wall

Street Journal had were using hundreds and
thousands of internal documents from

Facebook Internal Employee Network, and
only after a few weeks it was announced

that the leaker will cooperate with
Congress and the SEC, the Securities and

Exchange Commission, and reveal their
identity and. By then, we were already

talking to Frances in video call, and she
appeared on the screen as a very normal

woman, our age with headphones and on her
couch. And until October, the beginning of

October, we knew her under a codename. So
until she really revealed her identity,

she was also using a code name with us as
journalists. And. Yeah, we learned that

that she was 37 years old, she was born in
Iowa. And both her parents are professors,

but her mother later became a priest. And
Frances went on to study electrical

computer engineering at a small college
named Olin College in Massachusetts,

and she later became a data engineer and
product manager for Google, mainly working

on Google books. Then she got a job at
Yelp and Pinterest. And then in 2018, she

got offered a job at Facebook. And first
she was very hesitant. She told us because

of Facebook, the reputation for being an
engine of medicalization and because of

the personal experience. Frances, how
happened to her friends? And this is a

clip from our interview last year. video
plays Yeah, let's try to do what I want

to do to what you do. So I came into
Facebook. I was asked by Facebook to take

stock of mobile to give a platform
exclusively outage and point system. It

has the internet become easy to talk to?
That is yes. No, Oh my God, this problem

is still going to feel so much larger than
you might otherwise. Video ends

Lena: So as soon as we heard when she
arrived at Facebook, the disenchantment or

the the problems she saw started
immediately because immediately she saw

that. What she had thought of Facebook as
an engine of radicalization was even

bigger. And with her personal experience,
just to explain that in a few years back,

she got very sick and she had an assistant
who later became almost like a brother, a

very close friend, and she lost him to the
rabbit hole. His journey started. Yeah,

on normal social media sites and that
4chan and let him through the of

conspiracy. And she told her that she was
shocked, that she lost him and that he was

unreachable for facts. At some point, she
wasn't able to have a conversation with

him anymore. So when she got offered the
job and was able to do the job and the

integrity method, the team at Facebook
that was formed to protect the US

elections and working on civic integrity.
She really thought that you could make a

change. But she realized,
that the companies, she said, didn't want

to change, although she really admired her
coworkers. He said they were really smart

and creative people. But she said the
leadership didn't want to listen. And so

in the end, after about two years, she
became a whistleblower. And when you talk

to her today. You can see that it seems
like she's the perfect person to do that.

She seems really at ease with her role,
and she's found her role also to be in the

public and to put a face on the
whistleblowing. She says her both

parents are professors, and it feels very
natural to her to sit and explain things

to people. And that's what she does now as
a teenager. She's really touring the world

to get her message out. And also we learn
that she has a photographic memory, a very

good memory, and that she's financially
independent because she invested in crypto

in the early days. So, yeah, she seems to
be. Yeah, yeah. Whistleblower, almost. And

gone, yeah. But let's go to her motivated
way in the end, she wanted to become a

whistleblower. So these two clips from our
interview again, she told us that

when she was at Facebook: "I was faced. So
this is hard. Patients, I was faced with

information that I believe put many, maybe
a million or 10 million lives on the line.

I sat there and you were staring down at a
situation where you believe maybe 10

million people could die over the next 20
years. And I knew that I had the

information that could potentially face in
a fraction of those life. She has to do

something." And now she says: "It's not about
bad people or bad content at Facebook,

it's about a system. And like either
the organization incentives or the

incentives at Facebook, they are they.
They are wrong. They are skewed." And then

also, she says that she failed to change
the system from within, and she realized:

"This problem was so much larger than even
I thought it was. I kept trying and

trying. At some point, I read the
realization that there was enough

systematic problems that I would have at
some point to figure out how to bring the

information to the public." So she tried
actually to make her complaints heard in

the company, but that she had the the she
was under the impression, that the

leadership didn't want to listen.
Svea: Yes. And I think with this things

you have now learned about FH
I think if you know all this things you

can understand the leak much better and
this is what we're going to do now. So we

will dive into the Files. And if you have
all this in mind, so what was her

motivation, then you will now see and
understand better, why some things are in

the Files and why some things aren't.
Because you now know why she did what she

did and what type of person so roughly she
is. So let's go to the revelation timeline

just just quickly here. In December 2020,
she worked into the Civic Integrity Team,

but this team got dissolved and there was
a Wall Street Journal reporter and he saw

a chance and asked all these, all the
people who worked there, and he tried to

get interviews with them. And he also got
the chance to meet FH and

probably the and the podcast from Wall
Street Journal he tells the story that

they were talking to each other. And yeah,
probably this also. Yeah. Get confidence

that there's somebody she probably could
talk to, and we assume that then she

started collecting the files, but this
stays blurry. So maybe she started

earlier. But this is something not which
is not really known and which is not

really answered clearly. So she's always
when we asked her, she was always speaking

from summer. So summer, summer, maybe this
is the summer 21, then the Wall Street

Journal story just got out. And I think
what's also interesting here to see is,

that you have this time period from
December to September. So more than half a

year from the first contact, from the
reporter to the leakage. So I think this

is quite interesting. And then you have
the filing to the S.E.C. and to U.S.

Congress via whistleblower AID. We will
talk about this later, too. And then

things get rush and then things get IQ
each or then the everything gets very

fast. So there you have the filing, then
you have the revealing of the identity.

And on the 5th of October, she is speaking
to Congress and then all the publications

maybe you all have read or some of them,
who you have read went out. So it's pretty

interesting to see now. Oh yeah. And then
we also implemented when we come and

place, what was in the beginning of
October. This is where we broke the first

story. And then formed the EU consortium. So
we thought, maybe what's most what's

probably most interesting for you here,
guys, is not the question what's in the

files? We'll tell about this later, too,
about what? What's not in the files? Maybe

this is the more interesting question. And
so to get the answer to that, it's

really important to understand the nature
of the files where the files come from and

about what kind of files we are talking
when we're speaking about the Facebook

files. And as Lena already mentioned,
FH was a data scientist within

Facebook. She worked with the Civic
Integrity Team and later she worked with

counter-espionage. So she was regular
Facebook employee. She had she hadn't have

a high rank or something. She wasn't part
of the board or she wasn't an executive

person. So of course, she had limited
access to documents. But yeah, luckily for

her, Facebook maintains a quite
transparent approach regarding its own

research and a lot of other relevant
information, probably a lot more

transparent than other companies. So you,
you have and Facebook, you have some kind

of internal Facebook, which is called a
workplace and and workplace. You find a

vast, vast amount of internal research
reports and people are discussing this

research with each other. And but I must
admit so in these research that you have a

lot of technical terms and you have a lot
of teams speaking to each other, the

researches made for Facebook employees.
Of course, it's full of abbreviations or

yeah, terms you can't or hardly
understand as an outsider, so we will get

into that later. So to give you a glimpse
of how is a file, how what did we see when

we dived into it? So you have these
totally unstructured PDF documents with

more than an estimated 10000 pages? They
all photographed. And there you have this

research and also these discussions and
you see here where I did the pink arrows.

You can see how it looks and it looks a
little bit like Facebook. You have groups

of groups and you have comments, you have
smileys and then you have these black

redactions, which were made later on
because all these fires were made for

Congress. And so all the names were
redacted. And this this is pretty

important to know when you think about
what the files don't tell. So what's

missing? As I told you, that FH, she was
part of the executive

board, so it is not in the files what Mark
Zuckerberg or other key executive know. As

these are not reports directly to Mark
Zuckerberg as these are research reports

for the internal network. So they don't
say much about leadership or about

decisions from leadership or what was
discussed by leadership. Sometimes you

have these postings in the internal
Facebook where leadership is discussing

something, so you get an idea or a glimpse
what the board or what high rank execute

thoughts. But this is basically
something what the files are not telling.

Then the Facebook files don't provide any
context. And this is something I've ...

what also FH thinks, what's yeah,
really is the reason why she gave all

these files to journalists, because she
hoped that we could provide context,

because there are no information on who
did the report. So usually the authors

redacted. So you can't see. Is he a good
researcher? Is he long working with his

book or what? What has he got for an
education? So you don't know how reliable

they are or what happened before the
study, or after all? And I think this is

very important and we especially saw this.
I don't know if you remember the reporting

on the Instagram study and when you read
the Instagram study very closely, you see

that there that they are talking about a
dozen people who they have conducted

interviews, qualitative interviews with.
And this is a research which is highly

qualitative and not quantitative, so it's
not representative. And so this is very

important if you look at the files that
you look at the numbers, how many people

with how many people are study is
conducted or with how many accounts or how

many? Yeah, what what is it really about?
And then you also see in the file that

there are specific areas which are very
well represented, like hate speech. I

think this is an issue, FH worked a lot on
it and the civic integrity teams

at other areas are
missing or not represented. So, for

example, I'm very interested in fake
accounts. So this was the first thing I

did when I was sweating through the files
and what is what research is down fake

accounts. There is some research, of
course, but yeah, I was I was saying, I

was missing content and I thought, Oh,
there need to be more or about scam. I

don't know if you know, love scams,
though. I did not find anything about this

or click farms, then engagement numbers.
They are some engagement numbers, but not

that much. So I I can only speculate about
why there are some areas very well

represented in the files, and some aren't.
But I think probably this are different

reasons. So on the one hand, FH,
she had a specific time, limited time to

get these files and also probably she had
limited areas where she could go and read

these documents. And also, of course,
these are internal research. This is

entirely research. These are internal
studies. So there are only studies that

facebook employes start.
This was some kind we definitely should

investigate, and if there's no if they
didn't feel the urge to investigate it, of

course they can't be a file. So these are
some reasons, I think, why some areas are

missing. OK, so now laugh let's get to
the good part. So what's In the files? I

think some of you probably have read or
heard about the Wall Street Journal

revelations, so we do not want to dive
into this because this is broadly known

about, that celebrities were treated
differently, that human trafficking goes

on on Facebook. I don't know who watched
Jan Bömermann. He began talking about this

on that Instagram was toxic for teens or
Mexican drug cartels using Facebook, or

that Facebook changed the news algorithm
and polarization got worse. So this are

the this is where the first revelations.
So let's talk about growth. So this was

something I was looking into it's, because
I'm pretty interested in the whole fake

accounts area. So I looked into growth and
I found it pretty interesting because

Facebook is always speaking about growth
and that they are growing and making more

and more profits. And of course, this is
true. But if you look through the files

and you can see that young users,
especially users under the age of 25, that

these are the numbers are decreasing. And
that's what you can see here pretty

closely. You have the red line and then
you have the blue line. These are

symbolizing the younger users under 25.
And even in COVID times where you have on

the right corners, you see this spike and
all the other age groups, especially, I

think people above 50 got highly
interested in Facebook during COVID. Now

it's just shocking. So you have every age
group is highly is using Facebook more

during COVID, but not so that people under
25. And this is pretty interesting because

of the filing for the FCC, the
Börsenaufsicht and there because what is

with the advertisers and is Facebook
really telling the truth when they always

talking about growth and profits. Then I
think hate speech pretty important. And

there are a lot of case studies about
especially poorer countries or high risk

countries and that they are the
polarization goes on and that Facebook is

not taking enough measures, especially for
sub languages on the far right for Arabic

countries or Asian countries or African
countries. Even worse, where you have

often a lot of dialects and a lot of
languages, and that there are not many

people doing, for example, content
moderation. And one of the probably most

difficult documents, but I think one of
the most interesting ones, this one. So

sorry, I think you can't read a lot, but I
will explain as this report, it's called

the OpEx report. And it's it's really a
long document with a lot of numbers, but I

liked it very much because there were so
many numbers and it was quite an official

document and not only a study of one
researcher did, and in his opex report,

you can see the missed proportion and
spending money to fight misinformation

between English speaking countries like
the U.S. and ArW, this the rest of world.

So you see here on the document, on the
right, you see on the first column you see

misinformation and then you have these
rows and then on the row, the right

corner, you can see that money or man
hours. Is this transferred into man hours

that 84 percent man hours? Here is the
first Quartal quarter of 2020 that 84

percent was spent for misinformation, and
rest of world is 16 percent, which if you

compare the U.S. to the rest of the world,
you can see definitely see where the

focus, where Facebook focus lies. And this
of this also was one document FH

pointed us through and said, You
have to check the numbers and then you can

see what I mean when I say they are, yeah,
profit and growth is more important for

Facebook than human lives. I hope this
very yeah, this document makes this clear.

OK, yeah. What does Facebook say? Facebook
says, No. We're doing a lot of course and

everything and the people using Facebook.
This is really important to us. OK, and

now for the last part, I give, yeah, Lena
will tell you something more about the

fight within. Lena: Yeah, thank you very
much. So what is really interesting to us

is to see the discussion in the work
culture and the discussions among among

teams and among employees. And you could
see that in the chat, that was going on,

especially under some of the studies. And
it was kind of confirming our impression

that Facebook, that there was a lot of
debate, internal debate and that there was

a lot of frustration among employees
because as we have counted, there were at

least 11 major leaks since 2016. Most of
them remained anonymous. But there were

also some that happened that went public.
For example, Sophie Zangh went public

in April 2000 and 2021, and there was just
a few months before FH came

out and became public and made that made
it public that she had leaked documents.

Zangh has not leaked any documents that
she had talked to reporters. And and and

she hurt her when she entered her
employment with Facebook. And she said she

posted a batch post this kind of part of
the internal exchanges, and we found many

of these batch posts. And she posted, I found
multiple blatant attempts by foreign

national governments to abuse our platform
and that failed to mislead their own

citizenry and cost international news on
multiple occasions. And she was just as

FH, she was concerned with
Facebook lack of content moderation and

lack of enforcement of community standards
outside of the U.S.. And so this just to

show you that in term of debate was very,
very public internally. So I mean, we

found another batch code. It was called
leaving Q&A. This was from May 2000 at

from May 2021, and there this person was
concerned about hate speech and this

person said she couldn't take it anymore
just to be an on Facebook employee because

she says with so many internal forces propping
up the production of hateful and violent

content. The task of stopping hate and
violence on Facebook starts to feel even

more sisyphean than it already is and
shaming internal forces, meaning the

leadership and this is something that I,
this person says, so many internal

forces and the leadership. This is
something that FH was also

really concerned about that. On the one
hand, there are people working on

combating hate speech and changing the
algorithms to make it more a better and

safer environment. And then, on the other
hand, that there are some forces in that

in the company that apparently work
against these efforts. And this fight that

we could see, could you go back, and
this fight that we could see was

especially viral after January six, after
the storm of the Capitol and their

employees were very much discussing and
they were very they were furious. And one

one person has said, we've been fueling
this fire for a long time and we shouldn't

be surprised. It's now out of control. So
employers are giving Facebook

responsibility for the development. And
another person said, employers employees

should say employees are tired of thoughts
and prayers from leadership. We want

action. And another person said so many
research backed ideas get shut down. We

need to do a better job at making
decisions from a research perspective, and

this is something that's also very close
to FH. She said in our

interview, she says there are solutions
that are there are wonderful employers and

wonderful teams, who are working to come
up with solutions. But they are they are

blocked by leadership out of a for profit
interests. And this here's a screenshot of

another person saying I'm struggling to
match my values to my employment here. I

came here hoping to effect change and
improve society, but I've seen it atrophy

and abdication of responsibility. I'm
tired of platitudes. I want action items.

We are not a neutral entity, so employee
seems to be extremely critical of

Facebook. Yeah. And so as a general take
away, you could say that we expect to see

more leaks from Facebook. We expect to see
more whistleblowers coming out of this

work culture because people seem to be
extremely frustrated. And this is also

just to wrap it up. This is Facebook
reaction to the Facebook files and the

revelation that came out after October 4th
after after FH went public at Mark

Zuckerberg said this week. And in a
message to his employees, he said: "We care

deeply about issues like safety, well-
being and mental health and the coverage

that misrepresents our work and our
motive." And Facebook Communications VP

John Pernetti said. Even that it was an
orchestrated campaign against Facebook and

in response to our reporting, he said: "We
welcome scrutiny and feedback that these

documents are being used to paint a
narrative that we hide or that that that

was terrible, that we hide or cherry
picked data when in fact we do the

opposite." So they are they they are kind
of blankly refusing FH

accusations. But earn a T. What what's
happened to FH during this

process? I think he was talking to a
reporter early on and she was on her own.

But when when she started and when when
the when the revelations started in The

Wall Street Journal, apparently we don't
know. And I am sorry, I'm hearing the

sound from the c-base, and that's why I
was a bit confused. But in the process of

leaking documents, she got in contact with
the whistleblower aid, which was founded

by a former whistleblower, John Tye, and
which is a nonprofit organization claiming

that no one should have to risk their
career or their freedom to follow their

conscience. And some of you may know the
executive director Libby knew a former CEO

of Open Technology Fund, so they helped
Frances to making a protected protected

disclosure. And she also had lawyers who
represent her. They are from Bryson

Gillette. That's a consulting firm and law firm
founded 2020 by Bill Burton. He was a former

spokesman, the deputy spokesman of Obama
and the Bryson Gillette, and that is also

involved with the Lincoln Project. So they
are clearly from the democratic spectrum.

And this was also why Facebook could
easily make the claim that it was an

orchestrated campaign by the Democrats, an
orchestrated political campaign. We think

that. But let's go on to a more groups
involved with Francis just to wrap it up

and let us Luminate, which is founded
by Pierre Omidyar the founder of eBay,

and also Ben Scott been involved there. He's a
senior policy adviser for innovation at

the U.S. Department of State and Hillary
Clinton and was there, and they are

cooperating closely on funding. For
example, recent tech operating also in the

U.S. and Europe. The nonprofit lobbies a
lobbying organization that wants to

regulate the market for Big Tech. So these
organizations, they come from the

democratic spectrum. There's no question,
but we see that a rethink and our

impression was that they were mentioned
matching FH interest. So they

have kind of the same goal. So they came
they came together in the process.

Svea: Yeah, really important to see now,
OK, what's next? So we have reported on

the Facebook Files in Europe, in the U.S.,
but it's pretty exciting to see. Yeah,

what is happening? Is Facebook changing
something or is there any regulation

coming? So of course, the future is still
open and not written, but to give you a

little bit a glimpse what happened after
the 7th of October? So then, yeah, FH

went on some kind of tour through
Europe? Though she was a London, she was

at this bar Lisbon, and in November she
went to Berlin, to Brussels and to Paris.

So why did she do that? Why did she travel
from Puerto Rico to the U.S. and then from

the U.S. through Europe? I think every
three days another city, it was a tour

like kind of a rock star or something. Why
did she do this? Yeah, it is. Because,

yeah, they she clearly has some kind of
agenda. She definitely wants to change.

And she did not want to throw a lot of
documents in the internet and then hide in

the castle or somewhere else. She
definitely wanted something. Yeah, she she

wanted action. So she had big hopes in
Europe because as probably some of you

know, here that Digital Services Act is
debated. It was debated in the parliament

and now it's up to the commission. So
hopefully next year, the Digital Services

Act will be in place. And yeah, she and
also many other groups are hoping for more

regulations and control regarding
especially content moderation, fiiles and

also transparency, so that you can see
what is going on on these platforms and in

the U.S. the hope lies in Congress and in
the SEC . So I think I'm sure they hope

that the SEC will have a billion or
billion dollar fine on Facebook and also

probably pushes for more regulation. And
the discussion centers around that news,

getting more control of that data that
that there's more transparency and

probably that also there's more taxation,
probably on digital ads just yet to make

the business model harder. Because I think
also this is only one way to come by is

yeah, to to do something about the
business model. OK. So yeah, we hope you

enjoyed our presentation and we yeah, I
want to thank you for listening and also

big thanks to the team who work for that.
And I hope we have another five to 10

minutes for some Q&A.

Herald: Yes, thank you. Yes, we have
indeed another 10 minutes before we have

to prepare for the next talk. Thank you
very much for this. These 45 minutes of

content Svea laughs very well,
you are. You are giving the impression

your presentation gives the impression
that Facebook is basically watching from

within. It's a question when mutiny within
the Facebook workforce will break out and

that 85 percent of all the content comes
from payments for the ugly content and not

for the good one. How true is this? How
how evil is Facebook compared to other

debated evil doers like Telegram or
others? What do you think?

Svea: I think that, you know, the Facebook
files and you have like the feeling that

you are in a submarine as you're diving
into the Marine, you know, and you start

diving underwater and then you go with the
light bulb, you know, with one light and

then you shed into the dark and this other
Facebook files and you can't see what

surrounds this. So we definitely. So I
think it's it's not fair to say like the

whole company is so also it's only fair to
say that and, what you can see on the

comments, for example, after the storm of
the Capitol, where many employees were

speaking. So I think it's not that the
whole company is rotten from within, but

of course, there are parts which are
rotten. And this, I think, is shown in the

files. I think it's really hard to compare
Facebook to Telegram or Google or

something because I think a Facebook or
Meta, as they now called, it's quite a

very unique player on the market. They
are. Yeah, they bought Instagram. They

bought WhatsApp. You can't compare
Facebook or Meta to Telegram because this

is a completely different scale. So yeah,
that's that's I hope I could. It's a

little bit of a philosophical question, so
I hope my answer is okay laughs.

Herald: I mean, that's OK. You know...
Lena: I want to add, I think it's true.

What we have, we are only seeing a glimpse
of, of course, of some of the internal

discussions. But it gives us an
impression. And I think the impression I

would see, I would say, is right that
there are a lot of frustration among the

complaints because what Facebook says on
the outside, we are good. We are

connecting people. Whatever their slogan
is, it is not. It seems to be not

confirmed by by many employees. They say
they think just as Frances Haugen of power

and things that the company putting profit
over safety. And there may be that there

are probably a lot of employees that are
super happy to work at Facebook and they

don't see it. And I think that they have
amazing perks that they get at the office.

You know, they have little kitchen. They
have. I mean, it seems to be a wonderful

place to work if you care about this
issue. It seems that many, many people who

really, really care about these issues,
such as hate speech, such as the

democratic processes such as a foreign
influence on elections, and they seem to

be very frustrated. So as I said, I expect
more whistleblowers. I expect more leaks

to come.
Herald: Hmm.

Lena: And also, it's a structural thing
just to end this and it's a structural

thing there. When you compare it, for
example, to Twitter, it seems to be that

Twitter is doing many things much better
than than than Facebook. But as I said,

you can't really compare. But there is a
discussion within the Facebook players

about a firewall between those parts of
the company that are enforcing policies,

internal policies and those parts of the
company who are responsible for that, for

the numbers and who are selling ads, for
example. And apparently, it's Twitter.

There's a there's a firewall. And at
Facebook, there's no firewall. So the same

people who are selling adds are also making
exceptions for political actors on, on or

on certain behaviors. And that's this is a
structural thing that frustrated many

people.
Herald: No Chinese wall. I see. I am

getting signals that we have only three
minutes left. A very short question away,

short answer from our technical audience.
You talked about the internal platform

workplace, Facebook's internal knowledge
base. It would, of course, be interesting

to see how user level access controls,
encription, white's management work on

this platform is anything in the leaks
about that? No.

Lena: No. Only research reports only the
vast amount of research reports.

Herald: Mm hmm. But this vast amounts seem
to be accessible. OK? Somebody is waving,

Waving us Goodbye. I see. Thank you so
much. Interesting insight. Interesting

updates, folks. Follow this issue. It's
not over. Things will be coming. Thank

you, Lena. Thank you, Svea. I wish you
good health through the winter and thank

you again Svea laughs for your marital
effort to you.

Svea, Lena: Thank you.
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