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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}rc3 2021 preroll now here @c-base{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.50,0:00:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: The Facebook files last year,\NHarvard graduated and Facebook employe,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.80,0:00:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FH enhanded huge internal\NFacebook documents to, among others,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.84,0:00:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newspapers, journals and in fact, the US\NSenate said it was there to testify about
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.20,0:00:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook's conduct. This has gained\Nquite some, quite some attention, but at
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.44,0:00:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least in Germany not as\Nambitious as it should have. And I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.00,0:00:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcoming today. Lena? And Svea? HalIo! Will\Nbe giving us the better insight into
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.32,0:00:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook files. We believe in having a 30\Nminute talk by the end about it wasn't in
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.00,0:01:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our Q&A after that. So please do continue\Nwith your questions on the various
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.88,0:01:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,channels. They will hopefully miraculously\Na few of this week to be transferred over
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.32,0:01:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the air to our mates, who will be giving\Nus many insights. The screen is yours very
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.72,0:01:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much.\NSvea: OK. Thank you so much. It's great to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.64,0:01:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be here. Sorry, first of all, for my voice\Nbecause I'm having the Congress flu
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.00,0:01:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without Congress {\i1} laughing{\i0}. No, just\Njust the bad cold, but no COVID. So
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.48,0:01:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything is fine. Yeah. Thank you so\Nmuch for welcoming us today. Before we
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.56,0:01:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dive into the Facebook files and give you\Na an exclusive view and inside, let us
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.48,0:01:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortly introduce us. So yeah, I do. Lena,\Nyou go first.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.88,0:01:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: I am Lena. I'm an investigative\Nreporter with the WDR Zeitung in Berlin
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.84,0:02:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they mostly work on terror\Ninvestigations, but also anything complex.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.40,0:02:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I, of course, jumped on the Facebook\Nfiles as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.84,0:02:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Svea: Yes. And my name is Svea. I also am\Nan investigative reporter working
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.92,0:02:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freelance for NDR television, mostly on\Ntech issues. And then Lena and I, we
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.12,0:02:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worked very closely together for several\Nweeks or months now on the Facebook files.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.16,0:02:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were in the team. We had the contact to\NFH first and Europe and also
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.92,0:02:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had to. We had the chance to look and\Nwork very closely with the files, and we
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.76,0:02:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did a lot of stories on these issues. And\Nso we thought, this would be a great time
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.04,0:02:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give some behind the scenes views and\Nto tell you a little bit what's not all
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.88,0:03:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all the newspapers, some more details\Nabout, FH and also what's in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.88,0:03:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the files and what's not in the files and\Nhow they should be read or interpreted. So
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.04,0:03:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is what this is about, and I will now\Nopen the presentation on the screen and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.64,0:03:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vanish behind behind it. So yeah, have a\Ngreat time and Lena will start first. OK,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.00,0:03:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's see. This is who we are you. We just\Ntold you. And then let's go, Lena.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.64,0:03:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: I consider the presentation,\NSvea: OK, sorry. Then let's just get to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.84,0:03:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make sure that yes, is it? Yes. Sorry. OK,\Nnow this should work. Who is FH?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.16,0:03:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. Lena, you go first.\NLena: So who is FH? Most of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.40,0:03:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have seen already, but in the\Nbeginning wasn't so clear in September,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.64,0:04:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when, in September 2021, the Wall Street\NJournal started publishing a series of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.28,0:04:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,articles and podcasts under the name of\Nthe Facebook Files. The leaker was still
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.12,0:04:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymous. The reports were riveting\Nbecause these journalists from the Wall
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.28,0:04:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Street Journal had were using hundreds and\Nthousands of internal documents from
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.16,0:04:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook Internal Employee Network, and\Nonly after a few weeks it was announced
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.80,0:04:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the leaker will cooperate with\NCongress and the SEC, the Securities and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.24,0:04:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exchange Commission, and reveal their\Nidentity and. By then, we were already
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.40,0:04:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking to Frances in video call, and she\Nappeared on the screen as a very normal
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.80,0:04:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,woman, our age with headphones and on her\Ncouch. And until October, the beginning of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.32,0:04:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,October, we knew her under a codename. So\Nuntil she really revealed her identity,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.24,0:05:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she was also using a code name with us as\Njournalists. And. Yeah, we learned that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.32,0:05:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she was 37 years old, she was born in\NIowa. And both her parents are professors,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.16,0:05:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but her mother later became a priest. And\NFrances went on to study electrical
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.04,0:05:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer engineering at a small college\Nnamed Olin College in Massachusetts,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.76,0:05:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she later became a data engineer and\Nproduct manager for Google, mainly working
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.96,0:05:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Google books. Then she got a job at\NYelp and Pinterest. And then in 2018, she
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.48,0:05:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got offered a job at Facebook. And first\Nshe was very hesitant. She told us because
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.80,0:05:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Facebook, the reputation for being an\Nengine of medicalization and because of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.36,0:05:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the personal experience. Frances, how\Nhappened to her friends? And this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.92,0:05:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clip from our interview last year. {\i1}video\Nplays{\i0} Yeah, let's try to do what I want
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.33,0:06:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do to what you do. So I came into\NFacebook. I was asked by Facebook to take
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.80,0:06:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stock of mobile to give a platform\Nexclusively outage and point system. It
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.18,0:06:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has the internet become easy to talk to?\NThat is yes. No, Oh my God, this problem
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.92,0:06:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is still going to feel so much larger than\Nyou might otherwise. {\i1}Video ends{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.44,0:06:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: So as soon as we heard when she\Narrived at Facebook, the disenchantment or
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.08,0:06:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the the problems she saw started\Nimmediately because immediately she saw
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.36,0:06:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. What she had thought of Facebook as\Nan engine of radicalization was even
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.49,0:06:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bigger. And with her personal experience,\Njust to explain that in a few years back,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.89,0:06:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she got very sick and she had an assistant\Nwho later became almost like a brother, a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.88,0:07:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very close friend, and she lost him to the\Nrabbit hole. His journey started. Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.38,0:07:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on normal social media sites and that\N4chan and let him through the of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.46,0:07:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conspiracy. And she told her that she was\Nshocked, that she lost him and that he was
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.13,0:07:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unreachable for facts. At some point, she\Nwasn't able to have a conversation with
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.01,0:07:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,him anymore. So when she got offered the\Njob and was able to do the job and the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.68,0:07:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integrity method, the team at Facebook\Nthat was formed to protect the US
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.09,0:07:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elections and working on civic integrity.\NShe really thought that you could make a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.50,0:07:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change. But she realized,\Nthat the companies, she said, didn't want
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.15,0:07:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to change, although she really admired her\Ncoworkers. He said they were really smart
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.99,0:08:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and creative people. But she said the\Nleadership didn't want to listen. And so
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.74,0:08:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the end, after about two years, she\Nbecame a whistleblower. And when you talk
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.42,0:08:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to her today. You can see that it seems\Nlike she's the perfect person to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.30,0:08:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She seems really at ease with her role,\Nand she's found her role also to be in the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.92,0:08:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public and to put a face on the\Nwhistleblowing. She says her both
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.57,0:08:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parents are professors, and it feels very\Nnatural to her to sit and explain things
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.44,0:08:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to people. And that's what she does now as\Na teenager. She's really touring the world
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.88,0:08:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get her message out. And also we learn\Nthat she has a photographic memory, a very
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.76,0:08:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good memory, and that she's financially\Nindependent because she invested in crypto
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.64,0:09:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the early days. So, yeah, she seems to\Nbe. Yeah, yeah. Whistleblower, almost. And
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.43,0:09:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gone, yeah. But let's go to her motivated\Nway in the end, she wanted to become a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.37,0:09:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whistleblower. So these two clips from our\Ninterview again, she told us that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.92,0:09:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when she was at Facebook: "I was faced. So\Nthis is hard. Patients, I was faced with
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.64,0:09:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information that I believe put many, maybe\Na million or 10 million lives on the line.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.40,0:09:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sat there and you were staring down at a\Nsituation where you believe maybe 10
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.60,0:09:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,million people could die over the next 20\Nyears. And I knew that I had the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.24,0:09:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information that could potentially face in\Na fraction of those life. She has to do
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.64,0:09:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something." And now she says: "It's not about\Nbad people or bad content at Facebook,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.96,0:09:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about a system. And like either\Nthe organization incentives or the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.48,0:10:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incentives at Facebook, they are they.\NThey are wrong. They are skewed." And then
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.16,0:10:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also, she says that she failed to change\Nthe system from within, and she realized:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.92,0:10:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This problem was so much larger than even\NI thought it was. I kept trying and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.88,0:10:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying. At some point, I read the\Nrealization that there was enough
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.32,0:10:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systematic problems that I would have at\Nsome point to figure out how to bring the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.44,0:10:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information to the public." So she tried\Nactually to make her complaints heard in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.08,0:10:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the company, but that she had the the she\Nwas under the impression, that the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.32,0:10:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leadership didn't want to listen.\NSvea: Yes. And I think with this things
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.68,0:10:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have now learned about FH\NI think if you know all this things you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.95,0:10:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can understand the leak much better and\Nthis is what we're going to do now. So we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.92,0:11:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will dive into the Files. And if you have\Nall this in mind, so what was her
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.85,0:11:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,motivation, then you will now see and\Nunderstand better, why some things are in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.04,0:11:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Files and why some things aren't.\NBecause you now know why she did what she
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.36,0:11:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did and what type of person so roughly she\Nis. So let's go to the revelation timeline
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.39,0:11:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just just quickly here. In December 2020,\Nshe worked into the Civic Integrity Team,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.04,0:11:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this team got dissolved and there was\Na Wall Street Journal reporter and he saw
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.72,0:11:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a chance and asked all these, all the\Npeople who worked there, and he tried to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.13,0:11:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get interviews with them. And he also got\Nthe chance to meet FH and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.77,0:11:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably the and the podcast from Wall\NStreet Journal he tells the story that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.65,0:12:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were talking to each other. And yeah,\Nprobably this also. Yeah. Get confidence
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.60,0:12:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's somebody she probably could\Ntalk to, and we assume that then she
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.19,0:12:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started collecting the files, but this\Nstays blurry. So maybe she started
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.11,0:12:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier. But this is something not which\Nis not really known and which is not
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.12,0:12:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really answered clearly. So she's always\Nwhen we asked her, she was always speaking
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.30,0:12:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from summer. So summer, summer, maybe this\Nis the summer 21, then the Wall Street
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.08,0:12:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Journal story just got out. And I think\Nwhat's also interesting here to see is,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.86,0:12:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have this time period from\NDecember to September. So more than half a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.34,0:12:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year from the first contact, from the\Nreporter to the leakage. So I think this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.16,0:12:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is quite interesting. And then you have\Nthe filing to the S.E.C. and to U.S.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.41,0:13:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congress via whistleblower AID. We will\Ntalk about this later, too. And then
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.21,0:13:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things get rush and then things get IQ\Neach or then the everything gets very
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.85,0:13:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fast. So there you have the filing, then\Nyou have the revealing of the identity.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.01,0:13:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the 5th of October, she is speaking\Nto Congress and then all the publications
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.04,0:13:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you all have read or some of them,\Nwho you have read went out. So it's pretty
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.84,0:13:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting to see now. Oh yeah. And then\Nwe also implemented when we come and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.63,0:13:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place, what was in the beginning of\NOctober. This is where we broke the first
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.76,0:13:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,story. And then formed the EU consortium. So\Nwe thought, maybe what's most what's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.92,0:13:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably most interesting for you here,\Nguys, is not the question what's in the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.33,0:13:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files? We'll tell about this later, too,\Nabout what? What's not in the files? Maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.84,0:13:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the more interesting question. And\Nso to get the answer to that, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.62,0:14:05.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really important to understand the nature\Nof the files where the files come from and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.63,0:14:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what kind of files we are talking\Nwhen we're speaking about the Facebook
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.25,0:14:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files. And as Lena already mentioned,\NFH was a data scientist within
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.86,0:14:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook. She worked with the Civic\NIntegrity Team and later she worked with
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.43,0:14:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,counter-espionage. So she was regular\NFacebook employee. She had she hadn't have
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.99,0:14:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a high rank or something. She wasn't part\Nof the board or she wasn't an executive
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.75,0:14:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person. So of course, she had limited\Naccess to documents. But yeah, luckily for
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.81,0:14:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her, Facebook maintains a quite\Ntransparent approach regarding its own
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.33,0:14:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research and a lot of other relevant\Ninformation, probably a lot more
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.91,0:15:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transparent than other companies. So you,\Nyou have and Facebook, you have some kind
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.21,0:15:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of internal Facebook, which is called a\Nworkplace and and workplace. You find a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.93,0:15:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vast, vast amount of internal research\Nreports and people are discussing this
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.27,0:15:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research with each other. And but I must\Nadmit so in these research that you have a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.44,0:15:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of technical terms and you have a lot\Nof teams speaking to each other, the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.94,0:15:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,researches made for Facebook employees.\NOf course, it's full of abbreviations or
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.16,0:15:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, terms you can't or hardly\Nunderstand as an outsider, so we will get
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.24,0:15:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into that later. So to give you a glimpse\Nof how is a file, how what did we see when
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.18,0:15:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we dived into it? So you have these\Ntotally unstructured PDF documents with
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.16,0:16:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than an estimated 10000 pages? They\Nall photographed. And there you have this
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.89,0:16:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research and also these discussions and\Nyou see here where I did the pink arrows.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.27,0:16:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see how it looks and it looks a\Nlittle bit like Facebook. You have groups
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.48,0:16:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of groups and you have comments, you have\Nsmileys and then you have these black
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.60,0:16:23.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,redactions, which were made later on\Nbecause all these fires were made for
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.99,0:16:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congress. And so all the names were\Nredacted. And this this is pretty
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.66,0:16:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important to know when you think about\Nwhat the files don't tell. So what's
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.87,0:16:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missing? As I told you, that FH, she was \Npart of the executive
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.09,0:16:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,board, so it is not in the files what Mark\NZuckerberg or other key executive know. As
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.37,0:16:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are not reports directly to Mark\NZuckerberg as these are research reports
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.57,0:17:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the internal network. So they don't\Nsay much about leadership or about
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.60,0:17:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decisions from leadership or what was\Ndiscussed by leadership. Sometimes you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.73,0:17:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have these postings in the internal\NFacebook where leadership is discussing
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.30,0:17:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something, so you get an idea or a glimpse\Nwhat the board or what high rank execute
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.73,0:17:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thoughts. But this is basically\Nsomething what the files are not telling.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.36,0:17:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the Facebook files don't provide any\Ncontext. And this is something I've ...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.71,0:17:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what also FH thinks, what's yeah,\Nreally is the reason why she gave all
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.89,0:17:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these files to journalists, because she\Nhoped that we could provide context,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.27,0:17:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there are no information on who\Ndid the report. So usually the authors
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.72,0:18:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,redacted. So you can't see. Is he a good\Nresearcher? Is he long working with his
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.39,0:18:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,book or what? What has he got for an\Neducation? So you don't know how reliable
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.32,0:18:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are or what happened before the\Nstudy, or after all? And I think this is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.36,0:18:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very important and we especially saw this.\NI don't know if you remember the reporting
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.99,0:18:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Instagram study and when you read\Nthe Instagram study very closely, you see
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.96,0:18:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there that they are talking about a\Ndozen people who they have conducted
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.33,0:18:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interviews, qualitative interviews with.\NAnd this is a research which is highly
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.70,0:18:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,qualitative and not quantitative, so it's\Nnot representative. And so this is very
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.64,0:18:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important if you look at the files that\Nyou look at the numbers, how many people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.53,0:19:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with how many people are study is\Nconducted or with how many accounts or how
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.17,0:19:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many? Yeah, what what is it really about?\NAnd then you also see in the file that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.57,0:19:12.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are specific areas which are very\Nwell represented, like hate speech. I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.37,0:19:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think this is an issue, FH worked a lot on\Nit and the civic integrity teams
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.38,0:19:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at other areas are\Nmissing or not represented. So, for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.04,0:19:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, I'm very interested in fake\Naccounts. So this was the first thing I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.33,0:19:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did when I was sweating through the files\Nand what is what research is down fake
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.79,0:19:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accounts. There is some research, of\Ncourse, but yeah, I was I was saying, I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.21,0:19:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was missing content and I thought, Oh,\Nthere need to be more or about scam. I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.42,0:19:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't know if you know, love scams,\Nthough. I did not find anything about this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.10,0:19:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or click farms, then engagement numbers.\NThey are some engagement numbers, but not
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.78,0:20:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that much. So I I can only speculate about\Nwhy there are some areas very well
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.87,0:20:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represented in the files, and some aren't.\NBut I think probably this are different
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.83,0:20:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasons. So on the one hand, FH, \Nshe had a specific time, limited time to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.82,0:20:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get these files and also probably she had\Nlimited areas where she could go and read
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.19,0:20:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these documents. And also, of course,\Nthese are internal research. This is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.44,0:20:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entirely research. These are internal\Nstudies. So there are only studies that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.40,0:20:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facebook employes start. \NThis was some kind we definitely should
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.95,0:20:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investigate, and if there's no if they\Ndidn't feel the urge to investigate it, of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.71,0:20:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course they can't be a file. So these are\Nsome reasons, I think, why some areas are
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.86,0:21:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missing. OK, so now {\i1}laugh{\i0} let's get to\Nthe good part. So what's In the files? I
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.65,0:21:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think some of you probably have read or\Nheard about the Wall Street Journal
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.53,0:21:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revelations, so we do not want to dive\Ninto this because this is broadly known
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.01,0:21:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about, that celebrities were treated\Ndifferently, that human trafficking goes
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.88,0:21:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on on Facebook. I don't know who watched\NJan Bömermann. He began talking about this
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.91,0:21:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on that Instagram was toxic for teens or\NMexican drug cartels using Facebook, or
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.85,0:21:36.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Facebook changed the news algorithm\Nand polarization got worse. So this are
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.01,0:21:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the this is where the first revelations.\NSo let's talk about growth. So this was
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.77,0:21:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I was looking into it's, because\NI'm pretty interested in the whole fake
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.58,0:21:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accounts area. So I looked into growth and\NI found it pretty interesting because
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.40,0:21:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook is always speaking about growth\Nand that they are growing and making more
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.64,0:22:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more profits. And of course, this is\Ntrue. But if you look through the files
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.72,0:22:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can see that young users,\Nespecially users under the age of 25, that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.48,0:22:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are the numbers are decreasing. And\Nthat's what you can see here pretty
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.13,0:22:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closely. You have the red line and then\Nyou have the blue line. These are
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.72,0:22:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,symbolizing the younger users under 25.\NAnd even in COVID times where you have on
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.91,0:22:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right corners, you see this spike and\Nall the other age groups, especially, I
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.54,0:22:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think people above 50 got highly\Ninterested in Facebook during COVID. Now
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.77,0:22:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just shocking. So you have every age\Ngroup is highly is using Facebook more
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.04,0:22:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during COVID, but not so that people under\N25. And this is pretty interesting because
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.56,0:23:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the filing for the FCC, the\NBörsenaufsicht and there because what is
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.20,0:23:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the advertisers and is Facebook\Nreally telling the truth when they always
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.24,0:23:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about growth and profits. Then I\Nthink hate speech pretty important. And
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.72,0:23:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are a lot of case studies about\Nespecially poorer countries or high risk
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.72,0:23:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries and that they are the\Npolarization goes on and that Facebook is
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.76,0:23:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not taking enough measures, especially for\Nsub languages on the far right for Arabic
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.32,0:23:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries or Asian countries or African\Ncountries. Even worse, where you have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.20,0:23:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often a lot of dialects and a lot of\Nlanguages, and that there are not many
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.52,0:23:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people doing, for example, content\Nmoderation. And one of the probably most
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.84,0:23:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difficult documents, but I think one of\Nthe most interesting ones, this one. So
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.60,0:24:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sorry, I think you can't read a lot, but I\Nwill explain as this report, it's called
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.44,0:24:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the OpEx report. And it's it's really a\Nlong document with a lot of numbers, but I
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.16,0:24:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liked it very much because there were so\Nmany numbers and it was quite an official
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.24,0:24:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,document and not only a study of one\Nresearcher did, and in his opex report,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.20,0:24:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see the missed proportion and\Nspending money to fight misinformation
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.76,0:24:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between English speaking countries like\Nthe U.S. and ArW, this the rest of world.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.96,0:24:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you see here on the document, on the\Nright, you see on the first column you see
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.80,0:24:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,misinformation and then you have these\Nrows and then on the row, the right
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.72,0:24:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,corner, you can see that money or man\Nhours. Is this transferred into man hours
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.92,0:25:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that 84 percent man hours? Here is the\Nfirst Quartal quarter of 2020 that 84
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.20,0:25:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent was spent for misinformation, and\Nrest of world is 16 percent, which if you
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.44,0:25:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compare the U.S. to the rest of the world,\Nyou can see definitely see where the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.36,0:25:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focus, where Facebook focus lies. And this\Nof this also was one document FH
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.36,0:25:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pointed us through and said, You\Nhave to check the numbers and then you can
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.08,0:25:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see what I mean when I say they are, yeah,\Nprofit and growth is more important for
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.80,0:25:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook than human lives. I hope this\Nvery yeah, this document makes this clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.40,0:25:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, yeah. What does Facebook say? Facebook\Nsays, No. We're doing a lot of course and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.16,0:25:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything and the people using Facebook.\NThis is really important to us. OK, and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.08,0:26:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now for the last part, I give, yeah, Lena\Nwill tell you something more about the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.12,0:26:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fight within. Lena: Yeah, thank you very\Nmuch. So what is really interesting to us
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.04,0:26:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to see the discussion in the work\Nculture and the discussions among among
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.56,0:26:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teams and among employees. And you could\Nsee that in the chat, that was going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.76,0:26:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially under some of the studies. And\Nit was kind of confirming our impression
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.36,0:26:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Facebook, that there was a lot of\Ndebate, internal debate and that there was
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.96,0:26:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of frustration among employees\Nbecause as we have counted, there were at
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.32,0:26:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least 11 major leaks since 2016. Most of\Nthem remained anonymous. But there were
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.44,0:26:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also some that happened that went public.\NFor example, Sophie Zangh went public
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.40,0:27:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in April 2000 and 2021, and there was just\Na few months before FH came
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.52,0:27:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out and became public and made that made\Nit public that she had leaked documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.68,0:27:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zangh has not leaked any documents that\Nshe had talked to reporters. And and and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.80,0:27:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she hurt her when she entered her\Nemployment with Facebook. And she said she
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.60,0:27:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,posted a batch post this kind of part of\Nthe internal exchanges, and we found many
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.16,0:27:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these batch posts. And she posted, I found\Nmultiple blatant attempts by foreign
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.95,0:27:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,national governments to abuse our platform\Nand that failed to mislead their own
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.28,0:27:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,citizenry and cost international news on\Nmultiple occasions. And she was just as
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.28,0:27:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FH, she was concerned with \NFacebook lack of content moderation and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.36,0:27:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lack of enforcement of community standards\Noutside of the U.S.. And so this just to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.76,0:28:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show you that in term of debate was very,\Nvery public internally. So I mean, we
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.32,0:28:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found another batch code. It was called\Nleaving Q&A. This was from May 2000 at
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.92,0:28:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from May 2021, and there this person was\Nconcerned about hate speech and this
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.28,0:28:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person said she couldn't take it anymore\Njust to be an on Facebook employee because
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.52,0:28:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she says with so many internal forces propping \Nup the production of hateful and violent
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.84,0:28:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content. The task of stopping hate and\Nviolence on Facebook starts to feel even
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.84,0:28:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more sisyphean than it already is and\Nshaming internal forces, meaning the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.56,0:28:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leadership and this is something that I,\Nthis person says, so many internal
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.24,0:29:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forces and the leadership. This is\Nsomething that FH was also
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.44,0:29:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really concerned about that. On the one\Nhand, there are people working on
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.00,0:29:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,combating hate speech and changing the\Nalgorithms to make it more a better and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.48,0:29:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,safer environment. And then, on the other\Nhand, that there are some forces in that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.68,0:29:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the company that apparently work\Nagainst these efforts. And this fight that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.00,0:29:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could see, could you go back, and\Nthis fight that we could see was
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.52,0:29:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially viral after January six, after\Nthe storm of the Capitol and their
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.08,0:29:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,employees were very much discussing and\Nthey were very they were furious. And one
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.68,0:30:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one person has said, we've been fueling\Nthis fire for a long time and we shouldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.48,0:30:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be surprised. It's now out of control. So\Nemployers are giving Facebook
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.76,0:30:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsibility for the development. And\Nanother person said, employers employees
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.28,0:30:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should say employees are tired of thoughts\Nand prayers from leadership. We want
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.28,0:30:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action. And another person said so many\Nresearch backed ideas get shut down. We
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.48,0:30:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to do a better job at making\Ndecisions from a research perspective, and
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.80,0:30:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is something that's also very close\Nto FH. She said in our
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.56,0:30:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interview, she says there are solutions\Nthat are there are wonderful employers and
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.38,0:30:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wonderful teams, who are working to come\Nup with solutions. But they are they are
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.68,0:30:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocked by leadership out of a for profit\Ninterests. And this here's a screenshot of
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.90,0:30:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another person saying I'm struggling to\Nmatch my values to my employment here. I
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.30,0:31:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came here hoping to effect change and\Nimprove society, but I've seen it atrophy
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.74,0:31:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and abdication of responsibility. I'm\Ntired of platitudes. I want action items.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.03,0:31:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are not a neutral entity, so employee\Nseems to be extremely critical of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.76,0:31:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook. Yeah. And so as a general take\Naway, you could say that we expect to see
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.23,0:31:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more leaks from Facebook. We expect to see\Nmore whistleblowers coming out of this
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.76,0:31:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work culture because people seem to be\Nextremely frustrated. And this is also
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.31,0:31:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to wrap it up. This is Facebook\Nreaction to the Facebook files and the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.70,0:31:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revelation that came out after October 4th\Nafter after FH went public at Mark
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.17,0:31:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zuckerberg said this week. And in a\Nmessage to his employees, he said: "We care
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.82,0:32:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deeply about issues like safety, well-\Nbeing and mental health and the coverage
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.05,0:32:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that misrepresents our work and our\Nmotive." And Facebook Communications VP
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.16,0:32:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Pernetti said. Even that it was an\Norchestrated campaign against Facebook and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.04,0:32:27.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in response to our reporting, he said: "We\Nwelcome scrutiny and feedback that these
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.59,0:32:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents are being used to paint a\Nnarrative that we hide or that that that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.02,0:32:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was terrible, that we hide or cherry\Npicked data when in fact we do the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.66,0:32:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opposite." So they are they they are kind\Nof blankly refusing FH
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.20,0:32:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accusations. But earn a T. What what's\Nhappened to FH during this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.80,0:33:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,process? I think he was talking to a\Nreporter early on and she was on her own.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.76,0:33:08.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when when she started and when when\Nthe when the revelations started in The
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.08,0:33:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wall Street Journal, apparently we don't\Nknow. And I am sorry, I'm hearing the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.92,0:33:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sound from the c-base, and that's why I\Nwas a bit confused. But in the process of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.16,0:33:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaking documents, she got in contact with\Nthe whistleblower aid, which was founded
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.92,0:33:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a former whistleblower, John Tye, and\Nwhich is a nonprofit organization claiming
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.20,0:33:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no one should have to risk their\Ncareer or their freedom to follow their
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.56,0:33:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conscience. And some of you may know the\Nexecutive director Libby knew a former CEO
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.32,0:33:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Open Technology Fund, so they helped\NFrances to making a protected protected
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.72,0:34:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disclosure. And she also had lawyers who\Nrepresent her. They are from Bryson
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.96,0:34:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gillette. That's a consulting firm and law firm \Nfounded 2020 by Bill Burton. He was a former
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.84,0:34:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spokesman, the deputy spokesman of Obama\Nand the Bryson Gillette, and that is also
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.76,0:34:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved with the Lincoln Project. So they\Nare clearly from the democratic spectrum.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.96,0:34:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was also why Facebook could\Neasily make the claim that it was an
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.04,0:34:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,orchestrated campaign by the Democrats, an\Norchestrated political campaign. We think
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.36,0:34:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. But let's go on to a more groups\Ninvolved with Francis just to wrap it up
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.52,0:34:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and let us Luminate, which is founded \Nby Pierre Omidyar the founder of eBay,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.56,0:34:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also Ben Scott been involved there. He's a\Nsenior policy adviser for innovation at
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.60,0:34:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the U.S. Department of State and Hillary\NClinton and was there, and they are
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.84,0:35:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cooperating closely on funding. For\Nexample, recent tech operating also in the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.84,0:35:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,U.S. and Europe. The nonprofit lobbies a\Nlobbying organization that wants to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.20,0:35:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulate the market for Big Tech. So these\Norganizations, they come from the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.18,0:35:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democratic spectrum. There's no question,\Nbut we see that a rethink and our
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.64,0:35:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impression was that they were mentioned\Nmatching FH interest. So they
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.30,0:35:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have kind of the same goal. So they came\Nthey came together in the process.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.33,0:35:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Svea: Yeah, really important to see now,\NOK, what's next? So we have reported on
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.88,0:35:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Facebook Files in Europe, in the U.S.,\Nbut it's pretty exciting to see. Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.20,0:36:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is happening? Is Facebook changing\Nsomething or is there any regulation
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.56,0:36:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming? So of course, the future is still\Nopen and not written, but to give you a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.56,0:36:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit a glimpse what happened after\Nthe 7th of October? So then, yeah, FH
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.40,0:36:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went on some kind of tour through\NEurope? Though she was a London, she was
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.40,0:36:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at this bar Lisbon, and in November she\Nwent to Berlin, to Brussels and to Paris.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.56,0:36:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why did she do that? Why did she travel\Nfrom Puerto Rico to the U.S. and then from
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.16,0:36:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the U.S. through Europe? I think every\Nthree days another city, it was a tour
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.72,0:36:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like kind of a rock star or something. Why\Ndid she do this? Yeah, it is. Because,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.96,0:36:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, they she clearly has some kind of\Nagenda. She definitely wants to change.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.08,0:36:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she did not want to throw a lot of\Ndocuments in the internet and then hide in
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.24,0:36:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the castle or somewhere else. She\Ndefinitely wanted something. Yeah, she she
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.20,0:37:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted action. So she had big hopes in\NEurope because as probably some of you
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.76,0:37:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, here that Digital Services Act is\Ndebated. It was debated in the parliament
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.24,0:37:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now it's up to the commission. So\Nhopefully next year, the Digital Services
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.64,0:37:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Act will be in place. And yeah, she and\Nalso many other groups are hoping for more
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.36,0:37:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regulations and control regarding\Nespecially content moderation, fiiles and
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.36,0:37:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also transparency, so that you can see\Nwhat is going on on these platforms and in
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.64,0:37:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the U.S. the hope lies in Congress and in\Nthe SEC . So I think I'm sure they hope
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.80,0:37:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the SEC will have a billion or\Nbillion dollar fine on Facebook and also
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.32,0:38:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably pushes for more regulation. And\Nthe discussion centers around that news,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.00,0:38:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting more control of that data that\Nthat there's more transparency and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.32,0:38:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably that also there's more taxation,\Nprobably on digital ads just yet to make
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.80,0:38:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the business model harder. Because I think\Nalso this is only one way to come by is
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.44,0:38:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, to to do something about the\Nbusiness model. OK. So yeah, we hope you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.60,0:38:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enjoyed our presentation and we yeah, I\Nwant to thank you for listening and also
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.48,0:38:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big thanks to the team who work for that.\NAnd I hope we have another five to 10
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.60,0:38:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minutes for some Q&A.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.60,0:38:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yes, thank you. Yes, we have\Nindeed another 10 minutes before we have
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.80,0:38:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prepare for the next talk. Thank you\Nvery much for this. These 45 minutes of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.84,0:39:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content {\i1}Svea laughs{\i0} very well,\Nyou are. You are giving the impression
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.68,0:39:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your presentation gives the impression\Nthat Facebook is basically watching from
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.80,0:39:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within. It's a question when mutiny within\Nthe Facebook workforce will break out and
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.00,0:39:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that 85 percent of all the content comes\Nfrom payments for the ugly content and not
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.36,0:39:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the good one. How true is this? How\Nhow evil is Facebook compared to other
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.68,0:39:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,debated evil doers like Telegram or\Nothers? What do you think?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.96,0:39:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Svea: I think that, you know, the Facebook\Nfiles and you have like the feeling that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.85,0:39:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are in a submarine as you're diving\Ninto the Marine, you know, and you start
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.29,0:40:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diving underwater and then you go with the\Nlight bulb, you know, with one light and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.58,0:40:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you shed into the dark and this other\NFacebook files and you can't see what
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.04,0:40:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surrounds this. So we definitely. So I\Nthink it's it's not fair to say like the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.54,0:40:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole company is so also it's only fair to\Nsay that and, what you can see on the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.74,0:40:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comments, for example, after the storm of\Nthe Capitol, where many employees were
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.40,0:40:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaking. So I think it's not that the\Nwhole company is rotten from within, but
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.80,0:40:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, there are parts which are\Nrotten. And this, I think, is shown in the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.76,0:40:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files. I think it's really hard to compare\NFacebook to Telegram or Google or
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.45,0:40:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something because I think a Facebook or\NMeta, as they now called, it's quite a
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.20,0:40:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very unique player on the market. They\Nare. Yeah, they bought Instagram. They
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.30,0:41:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bought WhatsApp. You can't compare\NFacebook or Meta to Telegram because this
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.03,0:41:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a completely different scale. So yeah,\Nthat's that's I hope I could. It's a
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.60,0:41:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit of a philosophical question, so\NI hope my answer is okay {\i1}laughs{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.71,0:41:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: I mean, that's OK. You know...\NLena: I want to add, I think it's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.96,0:41:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we have, we are only seeing a glimpse\Nof, of course, of some of the internal
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.48,0:41:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussions. But it gives us an\Nimpression. And I think the impression I
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.63,0:41:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would see, I would say, is right that\Nthere are a lot of frustration among the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.68,0:41:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complaints because what Facebook says on\Nthe outside, we are good. We are
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.13,0:41:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connecting people. Whatever their slogan\Nis, it is not. It seems to be not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.78,0:41:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirmed by by many employees. They say\Nthey think just as Frances Haugen of power
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.92,0:42:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things that the company putting profit\Nover safety. And there may be that there
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.86,0:42:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are probably a lot of employees that are\Nsuper happy to work at Facebook and they
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.20,0:42:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't see it. And I think that they have\Namazing perks that they get at the office.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.26,0:42:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, they have little kitchen. They\Nhave. I mean, it seems to be a wonderful
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.01,0:42:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place to work if you care about this\Nissue. It seems that many, many people who
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.93,0:42:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really, really care about these issues,\Nsuch as hate speech, such as the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.81,0:42:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democratic processes such as a foreign\Ninfluence on elections, and they seem to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.41,0:42:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be very frustrated. So as I said, I expect\Nmore whistleblowers. I expect more leaks
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.59,0:42:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come.\NHerald: Hmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.62,0:42:41.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: And also, it's a structural thing\Njust to end this and it's a structural
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.15,0:42:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing there. When you compare it, for\Nexample, to Twitter, it seems to be that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.24,0:42:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Twitter is doing many things much better\Nthan than than Facebook. But as I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.16,0:42:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't really compare. But there is a\Ndiscussion within the Facebook players
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.00,0:43:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a firewall between those parts of\Nthe company that are enforcing policies,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.72,0:43:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internal policies and those parts of the\Ncompany who are responsible for that, for
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.84,0:43:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the numbers and who are selling ads, for\Nexample. And apparently, it's Twitter.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.33,0:43:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a there's a firewall. And at\NFacebook, there's no firewall. So the same
Dialogue: 0,0:43:22.40,0:43:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who are selling adds are also making\Nexceptions for political actors on, on or
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.07,0:43:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on certain behaviors. And that's this is a\Nstructural thing that frustrated many
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.50,0:43:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people.\NHerald: No Chinese wall. I see. I am
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.53,0:43:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting signals that we have only three\Nminutes left. A very short question away,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.68,0:43:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short answer from our technical audience.\NYou talked about the internal platform
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.38,0:43:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workplace, Facebook's internal knowledge\Nbase. It would, of course, be interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.47,0:44:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see how user level access controls,\Nencription, white's management work on
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.76,0:44:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this platform is anything in the leaks\Nabout that? No.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.58,0:44:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lena: No. Only research reports only the\Nvast amount of research reports.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.54,0:44:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Mm hmm. But this vast amounts seem\Nto be accessible. OK? Somebody is waving,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.88,0:44:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Waving us Goodbye. I see. Thank you so\Nmuch. Interesting insight. Interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.37,0:44:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updates, folks. Follow this issue. It's\Nnot over. Things will be coming. Thank
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.00,0:44:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you, Lena. Thank you, Svea. I wish you\Ngood health through the winter and thank
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.44,0:44:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you again {\i1}Svea laughs{\i0} for your marital\Neffort to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.24,0:44:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Svea, Lena: Thank you.\NI think you see by everything is licensed
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