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Las acciones legales contra el intercambio de copias en Internet - David Bravo

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    Welcome to a new conference
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    of the subject of ethic, legislation and profession.
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    We have a very special guest:
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    David Bravo, lawyer expert in intellectual property
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    and, now, I leave you with him.
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    Thank you, hello everyone, thank you
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    for coming to the presentation.
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    By the way, I loved the presentation
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    made by the delegation of computer science students
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    who posted in twitter that you
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    do not miss the conference of someone
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    who has a facebook group asking
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    for him to be Minister of Culture.
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    I am at the top as you can see my friends,
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    my titles never end.
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    Yes, I am basically a lawyer
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    specialised in intellectual property and
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    for ten years more or less I have been
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    working in intellectual property
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    issues and defending those who the
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    content industry has called
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    pyrates and we will later see with the
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    results of the legal actions if they
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    really are or not and also the legislative
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    changes that have taken place about it.
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    In this conference,
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    we will adress the issue of the
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    legal attacks or legal actions
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    that have been exercised against the exchange
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    of intellectual works through internet
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    We will see what is the result of
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    this legal actions and how it has
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    changed the legislation after the
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    sentence that has had a particular
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    sign that one part of this strife
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    did not like. As in every
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    conflict, there are many ways to solve it.
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    In this issue about intellectual
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    property and in order to sum
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    it up,
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    I will say that in the issue
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    of file transfer, there are two sides
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    in conflict. One says
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    that this
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    can be stop and must be stop
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    with a legislation that ought to be
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    the most punitive possible in order to forbid
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    certain mass and routine habits
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    among citizens. And another
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    group that believes that
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    this apart from being bad, it is
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    also impossible to put into practice and
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    that we are speaking about trying to stop
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    something that, technologically, is impossible
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    to stop. Between this two
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    movements, there are lots of persons who
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    are in between and they take a bit of each position.
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    Of course there is a wide
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    variety of different possible positions,
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    and, without doubt,
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    it is the first one, the position that it is being impossed
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    in all legislations worldwide.
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    With a legislation that it is each day
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    more restrictive about intellectual
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    property rights and growing more and
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    more the penalties for certain acts
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    that are pretended to be illegal.
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    In the legislation, sanctions are growing
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    because it is understood that with
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    the ones there were against routine acts
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    like transfer of file on internet, it could not
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    be stopped. As it was not stopped,
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    penalties were increased again and again and
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    again as it might be a point where it
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    coul be stopped.
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    The legal attack started in the U.S.
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    back in the time of Napster; I do not
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    know if you can remember it. It was 1999
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    and Napster was in vogue, Metallica was the
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    first group that pointed out at the
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    users as being responsible of the
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    possible illegalities and since then, since
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    1999 and until now, the legal
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    battle has not stopped.
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    In the U.S. they decided to take legal actions.
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    following this
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    logic, after finishing with
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    Napster, they continued by going
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    after the individual users and
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    inniciated legal actions against thousands of
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    users that exchanged works through
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    the Internet and if this action
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    showed something, it was that this social
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    reality we are talking about was
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    much more heterogeneous than what it
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    was thought.
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    It was thoguht that this was a youthful
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    matter or even a temporary
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    situation, but when this legal actions
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    started, the demanded made clear that
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    they were a social mass that,
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    although the majority were
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    young persons who have grown up with
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    the new technologies, it reached to
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    all social backgrounds, independently
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    of age or social class.
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    It was exposed for
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    example by situation of Brianna Lahara,
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    a twelve years old girl that was
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    sue in the U.S. because she
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    downloaded music from Internet. It
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    was curious how they put the
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    top for the compensation. In the
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    U.S.
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    the plaintiff was RIAA which represents the
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    record industry in America
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    and what they did was that when
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    it came to light the scandal that a kid
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    was being sued by the RIAA, the RIAA
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    stood up and announced they were going
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    to solve it out of cort with
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    an agreement, so they asked how much money
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    did Brianna LaHara have, as she is a
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    twelve years old girl, so they could reach an agreement.
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    Of course, the parents and the girl replied that
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    she had nothing because she was a kid
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    so they asked if the girl had
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    any savings for the university
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    as you know that in the U.S. it is
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    usual. The parents answered affirmatively,
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    she had three thousand dollars they
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    were depositing in a bank account in
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    her name for her university when she
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    grows up. So they put three thousands dollars
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    as the amount they demanded for an
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    out of cort agreement. That way,
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    they sended a clear message,
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    they were going to ask for all
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    the money you had witohut any
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    distinction.
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    Related to age, another paradigmatic
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    case refering to age, so we
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    can see the heterogenic group
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    we are talking about, is the case of
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    Gertrude Walton a grandmother tha surprisingly
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    was sued for downloading rap music, which
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    is strange. It was a weird situation that was
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    shown in the press,
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    a eighty-three years old grandmother
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    downloading rap music, her niece
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    claimed that it was all
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    absolutely impossible, that her
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    grandmother had never downloaded rap music
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    and she laid on the table two legal
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    solid reasonings so that the demand
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    ended in nothing. First one was to say
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    that her grandmother never liked rap music
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    and the second one was that in the moment
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    of the incident, her grandmother was
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    dead.
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    It meant she had an alibi,
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    so the legal action
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    was stopped, although the message left
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    was clear. Identically, this
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    legal actions have spread from
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    the U.S. to the rest of the globe
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    including Spain where legal actions
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    have been inicaited against
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    absolutely all actors that
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    take part in the exchange
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    of files through Internet:
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    Users, link pages to this
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    files as we will see later and
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    even the software developers that
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    created the P2P program that allows
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    the exchange of files, not to
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    mention also those who host the
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    contents. As you all know the famous direct
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    download page of Megaupload that had legal
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    actions taken against them. Nonetheless
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    in Spain there had also been legal
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    actions against the big content
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    containers and one of them for
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    example is Youtube which in the end is
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    nothing more than intermediary that what it
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    does is to host content uploaded by its
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    own users.
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    Of course, in this issue of
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    the intellectual property as you see
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    there are basically two options and
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    between them which are
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    either we go to the restriction of this
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    habits through the legislative way
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    or we accept that this is a reality
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    impossible to stop in practice and
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    we look for an alternative way
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    of remuneration with new business
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    models adapted to this new
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    reality in those two possible
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    solutions among many other.
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    Among them we found that the
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    industry, previous to legal
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    actions and previous to any legal
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    reform, as it always is usually done
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    and in fact it is called in legal
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    doctrine, prelegislative stage. This
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    phase has a concrete name in the
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    legal doctrine, what it happens always,
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    when there is a group of power that wants
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    to change a legislation, what they make is
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    to present to the legislator a
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    reality that recquires of his
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    intervention. This is the reason for what there is
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    made the
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    famous awareness campaigns, those
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    awareness campaigns that appear
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    in the cinema, in T.V., in the
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    radio or even at schools. What they
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    make is to present to the legislator a
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    reality, a reality painted in a
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    specific way, serious
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    enough so their intervention it is
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    needed.
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    Well, in Spain we have passed it and
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    we are still in it because it is made
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    simultaneously or it never ends that
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    awareness phase
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    that started officially in 2005. A year
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    before, in 2004, in the 21th of June that
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    it is the international day for music.
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    They went to see the fromer president
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    Zapatero, they were a variety of musicians, that
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    for me, they are the, probably, less
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    representative of the music world, they
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    are the best selling artists, probably
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    those who less represent the music
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    sector. They went there and
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    told Zapatero that he had to do
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    something about the downloads issue.
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    from the perspective of repression,
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    meaning, from the perspective of this
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    political solution and no other.
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    Went there for example Alejandro Sanz and
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    David Bisbal, who is now sadly
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    present due to what he did
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    to Chenoa. And when Zapatero listened to
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    the laboral difficulties of David Bisbal and how
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    he does not have a stone heart, he
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    told them that he was going to intervene and in the year
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    2005 the antipiracy plan was adopted.
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    The antipiracy plan, what
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    it basically did was to
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    institutionalised as any possible
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    way the repression. In order to
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    explain what ought to be done with
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    the issue of the intellectual property,
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    far from other persons like Stallman
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    or Lessig who have a vision about
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    intellectual property
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    much more opened, the only possible
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    vision and the one to be translated
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    from all sides was that
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    intellectual property must be
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    restricted, it means, repress
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    this behaviors. That solution was
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    released in all communication
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    media as only possible way.
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    in fact, the antipiracy commission of the
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    Culture Ministry, when talks about
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    the campaigns calling for
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    awareness, it says that last
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    campaign, when talking about the last,
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    it said that it should be maintained, this campaign,
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    for a long time, so it could be
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    interiorised by the citizens and that
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    the plan of the media in the campaign had
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    as objective, to reach the highest number of
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    persons, an addecuated number of times
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    so that the message can penetrate. It means,
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    when we are talking in these
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    terms, when we talked in these terms,
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    that the message has to be repeated a
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    proper number of times so the message
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    penetrates. We are far away from
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    awareness campaigns and we are
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    under pure propaganda and we are talking
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    about political propaganda.
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    We are talking about sending a
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    political message about a possibility to solve
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    the problem from a range of different solutions
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    and saying that it is the only possible
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    solution. This campaigns are made in all
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    situations and like two week ago, it
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    was voted in the culture commission a PNL
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    where it was propose that these
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    campaigns were taken to schools,
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    something that has previously ocurred, because
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    they considered us to be
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    the lost generation as they call it.
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    This is to say to people that grew up
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    in a certain way, that has a
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    concrete way fo thinking and a
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    immovable way to make things and
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    that what it had to be done was to go to
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    kids in schools so that from
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    the beginning
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    they think this certain way from
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    the schools. In the Commission of
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    Culture of the
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    Congress, it was voted a PNL where it
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    talked about taking this awareness
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    campaigns to schools and it was
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    voted favorably by the groups with
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    the abstention
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    for me indefensible of Podemos that
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    voted 'No' in the
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    pass legislature, but this campaign
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    we can see is not only directed to
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    children because we have seen
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    each Christmas ther is a campaign of the
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    so called for awareness
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    i do not know if you remember, it was
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    called "Defend your culture", it had
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    a slogan specially
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    fool, the slogan was "If you are legal, you are
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    legal" seriously, I do not know who designed
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    the campaign. They can get back the money
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    yet but it was that and it had
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    a part of contest, really weird,
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    where what they had to do was to send
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    a message saying how did it affect you
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    the so called piracy and they,
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    three experts of culture from the Ministry,
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    looked at the messages and they three,
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    together, they decided which one was
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    the best of the month, and published and give
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    a present that were two tickets for the
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    Prado Museum, which as a git is not
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    a big thing, but it could be use for resae or
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    whatever.
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    That was the gift the contest had.
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    So the people started sending
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    their message about how they were affected
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    by piracy and as we are hearing
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    so many strange thing for the issue
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    of piracy that the poor moderator
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    they had in there in the
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    web page was unabke to distinguish
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    when they were being serious and
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    when they were joking because
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    for example, Antonio Guisasola,
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    president of Promusicae, it means, the
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    we could say
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    boss of record industry
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    here in Spain, says things like that
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    discographies are so
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    worried about the internet
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    download issue that even the
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    street sellers went to Promusica to protest
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    for internet downloads, It means that
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    in the history of Guisaola seems
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    an episode of the "Chanante Hour" is that
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    street sellers went to speak with
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    Guisaola to tell him "I cannot sell
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    pirated discs because they are downloaded from
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    Internet" complaining to Guisaola, it means
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    if that street seller exists, he is God
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    I want him as minister now then.
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    Clearly it cost the moderator
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    a lot of work to distinguish when
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    they were serious and when the
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    were joking
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    and then it happened that there were
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    many jokes and later, "Forocoches" joined
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    the game and said "I will try to
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    send this message, let's see if it
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    is published"
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    And clearly, lots did not pass
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    because they were too obvious and said I will
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    try to send this one and wrote in the forum "Let's
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    see, I will say what I was told in
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    scholl, I enter and downloaded films
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    I got infected by virus and I had to
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    change the CPU because virus
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    enter the computer processing unit, do not download
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    anything because people put bad things
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    inside the files and steak your
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    data, your photos, your "rotodos" and everything,
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    it's legal easily' how was going to pass
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    that with a virus that enter the processing unit,
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    well it passed.
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    It was published in the web page as
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    hundreds of similar comments but even
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    more, the tree experts from
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    the Culture Ministry thought that this
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    comment was the best of the month and they
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    give him the prize with the two tickets to
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    the Prado Museum
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    When I saw what had been
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    chosen as best, I said I would
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    find the one that wrote it and
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    I put the message in Google,
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    rapidly "Forocoches" "ha ha ha ha" everyone
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    laughing and I said, the have sneak them and
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    I posted it in my blog and I said, 'lets see'
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    the message that won was a joke,
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    and I am afraid that this three experts in
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    intellectual property are the ones that
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    are doing our laws and they did not
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    realised it, this is alarming. And then
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    they called me from "Público", from the
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    newspaper, and the told me
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    ' I had some declarations about what
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    you have uncovered about the general
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    Director of Policy and Cultural
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    Industry explaining this situation'
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    So i got scared a bit, because I may
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    have put my foot in it or something and I said 'well
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    tell me what are the declarations and
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    I reply them'. He said that
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    the declarations were 'The only thing that
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    demonstrates that this message has won
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    is that the system is transparent, there is no
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    censorship and that we are dedicated to
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    control web pages' 'Ok, yes
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    it does demonstrate that and also demonstrates
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    that they have been sneaked until it has
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    reached the top, you are telling me that
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    there are three experts in the ministry of
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    culture that thoguht that virus
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    get into the processing unit and steal your
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    "rotodos" then we are lost'
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    The pont is that when I start reading
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    what the comission says about the
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    campaigns, they explain something that got
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    my attention and it is that communication
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    media insert this messages in
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    their advertisement and the
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    majority do it for free,
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    it means that Telecinco, Antena3, the private
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    T.V. channels, take this campaigns
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    elaborated by the Ministry of Culture and
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    they put them in their schedule for free and
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    it is normal inside the
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    enviroment that is created when talking
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    about new technologies in general, not
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    just Internet.
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    I do not know if you have seen how the
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    media treats regularly all
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    that has somethiong to do with new
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    technologies. It is always
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    with a prism or almost always something
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    negative, simply because internet and
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    new techonologies are direct
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    competitors to the media
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    like television, press or radio.
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    I had a time when Google News
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    existed,
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    before going away from Spain due to the
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    AEDE canon that we will talk later if you
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    wish to, so I search on Google News
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    concrete words, I searched Internet
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    or web or any other word that
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    was related to new
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    technologies in order to look what results
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    the media brought back and
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    the prism that was given to the
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    headlines. When I saw that, it
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    looked pretty normal that media
  • 20:48 - 20:51
    welcomed everything
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    that criticise their way of doing
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    things, that precisely take their
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    audience with the headlines I
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    found and anyone could do the
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    same proof with any other
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    searcher. There were headliines like
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    the followings, "Terror in the web", "Danger
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    in Internet", "Alcohol and drugs as well
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    as Internet may suposse a big threat
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    to the youth",
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    "Internet can cause neuronal
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    damages", "surfing the internet there is
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    higher risk of adultery",
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    "Jennifer Aniston leaved his boyfriend due
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    to Internet's fault",
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    "Americans abandon their
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    friends and sex for their life on Internet"
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    "The U.S. look out Twitter for
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    its posible use with terrorist objectives",
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    "A boy is murdered by his gameboy".
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    This last I had to read it
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    I could not leave it just with the headline
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    when I read it, it resulted that the
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    kid had a tragic accident when
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    he went out of the swimming pool and took
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    the gameboy which its battery was plugged
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    in and he was electrocuted.
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    The gameboy itself did not do
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    nothing, it was the water and the electricity
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    basically what intervened but in here
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    they decided that it was the gameboy the one
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    that had murdered him and sended that
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    message. the next headline
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    is clearer and said "Internet kills
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    you"
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    In here I did not even read it, it did not
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    matter.
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    "Pork flu propagated also through
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    Internet"
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    "Regular use of Internet generates
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    depression and isolation", "Xenophobia
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    dances on Internet"
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    "Hitler in Internet", "Cruelty of the
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    internet users"
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    "Google opens strongboxes", "Learned to
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    kill thanks to Google", "His computer
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    can be a zombi", "Internet puts on weight" and "My
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    daughter got pregnant and
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    its Internet fault" the one of Internet
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    puts on weight, I love it because it fits
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    inside a patron I have seen before.
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    There was a study, I cannot know which
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    country that gave for another headline, it
  • 23:29 - 23:30
    had to do with videogames.
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    The headline was "Videogames create
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    fat and violent kids" and not
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    only they put on weight, evenmore, they also
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    turned you violent. Of course the
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    alarmism is clear, there is nothing that
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    frightens more than a gang of angry
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    fat guys and when you read that
  • 23:49 - 23:51
    study, they justified it
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    with the typical, that
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    videogames create violent kids which
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    we have read that before in other places
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    and about the "fats" they justified it because
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    as they played videogames they did not play any sport
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    and that is why it fatten. There are other
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    activities like lecture and we have
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    not read anywhere a headline that said
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    that reading puts on weight, however
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    in here it looked great and the put it.
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    The best one with any doubt, that
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    reflects how I think the way
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    now clear about how it is talked about
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    new technologies in the media
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    is the famous case of the
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    cannibal of Rothenburg. I do not know if
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    you know it but it is a great case
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    in order to see how the
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    media talks about new
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    technologies. Barely you give them
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    a gap where a new technology
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    has participated in any part of a
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    story, more or less truculent. The case
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    of the cannibal of Rothenburg is easy
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    to explain, it has no mistery. A guy
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    wrote in a forum a sentence that said
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    "I search a good looking man that
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    wants to be eaten"
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    In his languague I guess it sounded better.
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    That is what was written, a good looking
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    man that wanted to be eaten, and an
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    engineer that was reading the forum
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    read it and said "Look I am
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    interested" and contacted the cannibal
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    of Rothenburg who eated him.
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    There is no last moment turnaround, it is
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    not Shyamalan dear friends. In here it ended how it
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    looked like. He ate him.
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    Then they took the cannibal
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    of Rothenburg to jail.
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    What has this to do with new
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    technologies? The guy ate him
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    analogically on the table. At
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    first, nothing. but it was announced in a forum
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    If it had been announced in "Segunda Mano" or
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    I don't know through door-to-door,
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    surely the way to get in
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    touch with the engineer would have
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    matter less than the fact that at the
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    end, a guy ate another one like if
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    it was a chocolate bun. However in here
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    the fact that they got in touch in a forum,
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    they had the issue linked to
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    new technologies somehow and
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    sooner there were headlines that
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    alert us about the problem of
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    online cannibals, I do not know
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    how you can be an online cannibal or
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    online vegan. The point is that the
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    headline was "Suspicion that there is a global
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    net of cannibals" and it said "The
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    police is finfing out little by little
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    the world of online cannibals and what
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    they find each time is
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    more and more dreadful".
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    All this infromation they
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    took it from the cannibal of
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    Rothenburg himself. It seemed that he was
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    someone reliable, he could eat whatever but
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    he has no reason to lie. And with
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    that, they took out all
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    that news.
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    Then all this campaign,
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    this vision of the new technologies,
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    this way to solve the conflict that
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    comes with the arrival of new
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    technologies and basically the fact that
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    anyone can have a printer at
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    home and do what before only
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    could be done by editors with expensive
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    machines and now in the first world
  • 27:09 - 27:11
    this can be made at home of
  • 27:11 - 27:14
    practically anyone, this
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    conflict that is generated because
  • 27:15 - 27:17
    befaure, intellectual property laws
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    only affected a small portion
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    of the population who were the
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    editors, the ones that could
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    pay for the copy machine.
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    It resulted that with the arrive of new
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    technologies and the broadening of the
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    number of persons that are able to copy.
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    It results that this laws were
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    restricting habits that are no
  • 27:36 - 27:38
    longer of five or six editors but
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    now we are talking about the entire
  • 27:43 - 27:44
    population.
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    We are talking about common and daily
  • 27:47 - 27:49
    habit in the society and the way to
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    solve it is basically
  • 27:53 - 27:55
    the two ways that existed in the time
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    of the cassette.
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    The legislator saw something and said,
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    lets see the copy of the cassette
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    tape is ilegal according to the law of
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    intellectual property, but the legislator
  • 28:09 - 28:10
    reached a conclusion and said, it
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    is ilegal but it is unstopable and what
  • 28:13 - 28:19
    is the point of forbiding somehing that not just
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    I cannot stop but I cannot stop
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    even a one percent.
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    It is not like the example usually
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    given of the guy that skips the trafic light.
  • 28:29 - 28:30
    Everyone has skipped the traffic light
  • 28:30 - 28:32
    sometime. But with this laws
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    we can restrict it to a pont where
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    we could coexist and
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    then it exists the possibility of
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    infraction but we can maintain it
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    at a level more or less tolerable of infractions.
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    However the issue about the
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    cassette tapes is
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    that the legislator realised something that
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    he cannot reduce it even a bit
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    because it happened in the privacy
  • 28:53 - 28:55
    of home and in the moment it
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    happens in the privacy of home, the
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    legislator asked himself what could he do if
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    technology allows in a clear way
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    something that is impossible to forbid and what
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    he said was: "Well lets
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    introduce what is called a
  • 29:09 - 29:10
    copyright so it could be legal and
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    lets invented an alternative of
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    remuneration so those damages that
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    we cannot stop, at least
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    decrease it as far as
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    possible and we can
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    remunerate the holders of the
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    intellectual property rights
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    and that is when the famosu canon was born.
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    Canon that worked without
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    anybody protesting when it was applied to
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    the cassette tape because the truth is that
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    with the exception of some groups like
  • 29:39 - 29:40
    journalists, it is used basically
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    for that.
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    Then it jumped to the CDs and it was then when
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    the CDs, the blank page of
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    twenty-first century.
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    It has a canon and then people
  • 29:50 - 29:52
    protested because they were putting a
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    tax to something that could
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    contain almost anything and it was then when
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    this remunaration system failed.
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    About the activities that exist
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    nowadays and with the legislation we
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    have, what the industry decided,
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    later we will speak about what the legislator decided,
  • 30:11 - 30:13
    and what they decided as a result of the
  • 30:13 - 30:15
    legal sentence I am about to comment,
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    it was to iniciate legal actions.
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    In a time there was a controversy in Spain
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    about if downloading music or
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    movies on Internet without any authorization
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    was a crime or not and if it was legal or not.
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    This are two concepts that seem
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    the same but they are not, crime
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    is what is punished in the penal code
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    whereas it may not be a crime but
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    ilegal, for example a civil
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    ilegality or skipping the traffic light.
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    This are not crimes but an ilegality.
  • 30:45 - 30:50
    So the debate that was in
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    2005 was if the penal code,
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    the one
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    that right now has been
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    reformed, later we will comment it,
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    if it considered a crime the
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    downloading from Internet.
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    The content industry argued
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    that downloads from internet were
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    clearly a crime, they based it in
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    the article 270 of the penal
  • 31:10 - 31:11
    code. This article required
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    a behavior to be with a determined
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    subjective aim, it asks two requisits.
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    Firstly, someone to copy without
  • 31:21 - 31:23
    authorization, this is called the
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    objective element, and secondly that this
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    activity of copying without authorization
  • 31:27 - 31:29
    also to be made for profit.
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    This two requisits have to
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    occur in the same action for it
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    to be of the penal type and so it becomes
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    a crime against intellectual
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    property. What happened was that
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    downloads on Internet, what we
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    maintained was that it occured the
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    objective element, there was a copy without
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    authorization but there was no subjective
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    element because the copy was not made
  • 31:53 - 31:54
    for profit as it was a
  • 31:54 - 31:58
    free exchange, what the industry
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    sutained was theat this profit aim
  • 32:01 - 32:03
    had to be interpreted in an expansive
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    form, it had to be interpreted as
  • 32:05 - 32:08
    any benefit, profit or advantage,
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    that something gives ou in a way that if you
  • 32:10 - 32:12
    download a disc, this gives you some kind
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    of benefit, an advantage that it is
  • 32:14 - 32:17
    not money but in a certain way
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    it benefits you or even the possibility of
  • 32:19 - 32:22
    saving the money of buying that disc
  • 32:22 - 32:24
    if you had decided to buy it and
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    this way with this
  • 32:26 - 32:28
    definition, lets say ambiguous, of
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    what is a profit aim, they said
  • 32:30 - 32:32
    that downloads form Internet had
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    profit aim.
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    There was as I said a big discussion that
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    was intended to be solved in practice with
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    the intervention of Antonio Guisasola
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    who went to the media
  • 32:43 - 32:44
    as president of
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    Promusicae saying he was going to do something
  • 32:46 - 32:49
    That was to denounce a spaniard so that
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    judges had to determined if that
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    was a crime or not. What they were
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    going to do, he said,
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    was to denounce someone so
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    the judges finally pronounce so the
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    debate is over.
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    Well, they did it, I do not know if
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    following this reasoning but the case is
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    that an ordinary man from Santander
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    won the lottery and he
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    was denounce so that a judge
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    dictaminated if that was a crime or not.
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    This ws resoluted in the sentence from the
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    penal court number three of
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    Santander, fourteenth of July, 2006 and what
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    was said by the signer judge about
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    the resolution was that the accused
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    was absolved. the judge said that the
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    objective element existed,
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    the man downloaded without
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    authorization but the subjective element did not,
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    he did not have a profit aim and
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    understanding profit aim, said the judge,
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    in a restrictive way and not expansive
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    as it was pretended. So as
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    it occurs one elment but not the
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    other, the penal type declines and the
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    action is not punishable. It is not an
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    action that fits in the penal type
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    of the 270 art. So, the at the time
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    president of Sony was asked in
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    "La Gaceta de los Negocios" what he thought about
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    this resolution and he analysed
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    the resolution calmed and the most
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    legally funded posible and he said that someone can be
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    judge and an idiot and he encouraged the
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    signer judge of the resolution to
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    study a bit more and after that
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    they appealed the sentence but they got
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    to a Provinc Court that again
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    did not study anything and confirmed the
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    sentence of the first court
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    Absolving the accused. So they said:
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    'Ok, we failed against
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    the users,
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    lets focus on the next actor',
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    the next actor were the link
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    pages, it meant, they tried against
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    users, they tried through the penal
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    way, they tried also through the civil
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    way but they couldn't
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    find out the name from the
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    IP numbers.
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    The law of data preservation prevents
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    that in a process that is not penal to
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    revealed this data, so through the civil
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    way they reached nothing also and
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    they said: 'Lets focus on
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    this link pages, this pages
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    that without containing the contents,
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    it means without having the
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    files
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    what they made was to put a link to
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    the file that was being spread in the
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    p2p nets by the users or
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    link to a server like Megaupload or
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    like Rapidshare. This began as a
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    big operation, also media,
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    in the year 2006, as you can see coetaneous to
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    the sentence that absolved this man
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    form Snatander and what happened was that
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    they detained fifteen administrators of
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    link web pages. The communication
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    media with this issue
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    got mad and they
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    published the new of this mere
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    detentions as if they were guilty
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    veredicts in itself. It is something that
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    shocked me a lot because you have
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    seen in the news that whenever
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    they talk about any question that
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    is related to a legal matter, the word
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    suspected or alledgley appear
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    as something normal
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    In fact sometimes it appears
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    excesively
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    I found a case where a
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    newspaper talke about a stockbreeder that
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    was found dead
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    half-buried and the new said "The
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    alledge deceased" and alledge it is not
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    a hal-buried corpse and also it said
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    that to the alledge deceased they were going too make
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    the ahtopsy. Check before if you have
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    any doubt but the paranoia for a possible
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    complaint for slander makes the
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    word alledge to be used more than
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    often. In the case of the raid
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    of the year 2006 against link pages
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    the word alledge disappeared
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    absolutely, I remember a
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    newspaper's headline that could
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    not be clearer and said in the
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    headline, it was a leading article tha furthermor
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    was published in other newspapers
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    of the same group, it said "Pirates on the net"
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    and said that the fifteen detainees were part
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    of the biggest european clandestine
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    organization of the peer to peer nets and it said
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    this was also a gigantic
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    cybernetic bootleg peddler and that it was needed
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    to unmask this perverted vision
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    of the net in order to avoid it to convert
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    in an authentic sanctuary of
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    cybercriminals. All this, the day
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    after to the detentions. It have not
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    passed even 24 hours.
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    Neither have passed 24 hours
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    when ACAM, the association of
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    composers and song writers
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    published in their web page a headline
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    saying "Demonstrated that exchange peer to peer
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    is a crime" and beneath appeared a
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    list of web pages that
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    had a header that said
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    "Web pages
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    from which there was delinquency" It did not say
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    denounced web pages or pages with denounced
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    administrators. But it said pages from
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    which was delinquency as a fact, the judge
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    did not even knowhe had a
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    proceeding yet, but for ACAM
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    the sentence was already clear
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    I guess that with the calm that
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    gave them the clause of exemption for any
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    responsability
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    that they had those years in ACAM
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    They had a little clause, a
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    usual disclaimer of web pages
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    but in here it goes further and
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    said 'ACAM is not responsible
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    for the articles and any
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    opinion of third persons published in this
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    web page nor of the articles or
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    self opinions. This means they were
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    completely armoured legally, the
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    case is that what ocurred with this cyber
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    santuarium of criminals. In the
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    first of the cases I had the luck
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    to participate in it with my
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    colleague Javier de la Cueva, the case
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    Sharemula was the first one to be
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    solved, in this case the
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    complainents that first denounced were the
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    producers of the documentaries of
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    Feliz Rodriguez de la Fuente, they made
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    a complaint and the police, that had
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    lot of sensitivity with this issues, sent
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    a letter to the affected by
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    what was done from Sharemula
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    and quickly the personal
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    prosecution was formed by the SGAE,
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    Microsof, Promusicae, Egeda, Columbia, Walt
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    Disney, Twenty Century Fox, Warner,
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    Lauren Film, Manga Film, Universal, Sony
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    Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Cristiano Ronaldo, well
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    they were all in there and the case is that the
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    first the personal prosecutors
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    made was to ask for precautionary
  • 40:01 - 40:03
    measures, unprecedented part, unprecedented part
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    meant without hearing the part tha was affected
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    by the precautionary measures they were
  • 40:07 - 40:11
    asking for, in concrete they ask the precautionary
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    measur of shutting down the web page.
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    The judge that saw the issue in the Instruction
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    Court here in Madrid said:
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    "Well, I will to listen the petition of precautionary
  • 40:19 - 40:21
    measures but
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    I want to do it with the other part in the
  • 40:24 - 40:27
    room to hear it because it is the first
  • 40:27 - 40:29
    case not that I found in this
  • 40:29 - 40:31
    court but that it is going to be judged in
  • 40:31 - 40:33
    Spain and so I seem
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    interesting to know what has to say
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    the other part"
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    So there was a hearing for precautionary
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    measures. And what the personal
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    prosecution sustained in the hearing
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    was that in Sharemula there
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    was being commited a crime because in
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    this case the profit aim was
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    evident.
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    If in the case against the users there
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    was no profit aim, in Sharemula there was
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    profit aim because there were advertisement
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    banners. This advertising gave them some
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    money, lots or few, it willbe seen during
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    the process, but there was money and due to
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    that economic profit so there is the
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    subjective element that was needed with
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    the users, so in this case there
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    was a crime, sustained the personal
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    prosecution.
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    What we said was that we did not
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    discuss the subjective element of
  • 41:24 - 41:26
    profit aim,
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    in here what was missed was the other
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    element, the ojective element, it means,
  • 41:31 - 41:34
    the copy of intellectual property because
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    who did it were the users of
  • 41:36 - 41:38
    the peer to peer nets not the ones
  • 41:38 - 41:41
    that link. The linkers do not copy
  • 41:41 - 41:42
    absolutely nothing, what the do
  • 41:42 - 41:46
    is to create a group of alphanumerical
  • 41:46 - 41:48
    caracters that tells where is
  • 41:48 - 41:50
    a content without hosting it, with no copy nor
  • 41:50 - 41:52
    dissemination. The one copying and disseminating
  • 41:52 - 41:54
    is the user and the decree that
  • 41:54 - 42:01
    desestimated the precautionary measures
  • 42:01 - 42:03
    said that effectively the web will not
  • 42:03 - 42:05
    be closed simply because what the page
  • 42:05 - 42:07
    did in there, did not fitted in the
  • 42:07 - 42:09
    penal type of 270 because even having
  • 42:09 - 42:11
    profit aim, it was not made with an
  • 42:11 - 42:14
    infraction, what Shamerula did not
  • 42:14 - 42:17
    do was to copy files just
  • 42:17 - 42:20
    because they did not have them and
  • 42:20 - 42:22
    after the decree, another was dictated
  • 42:22 - 42:27
    that closed the debate, it was the decree
  • 42:27 - 42:28
    declaring the free stay in the Sharemula case
  • 42:28 - 42:31
    that what made was to say that
  • 42:31 - 42:33
    as there was no crime, ther will be
  • 42:33 - 42:36
    no trial and it was stored,
  • 42:36 - 42:37
    this equals to an acquital
  • 42:37 - 42:39
    and it was a hard blow in
  • 42:39 - 42:41
    the waterline of that
  • 42:41 - 42:47
    raid of the year 2006 because what
  • 42:47 - 42:50
    directly made, not just going to a
  • 42:50 - 42:53
    trial and be judged and deel the dock
  • 42:53 - 42:55
    punishment but that operation the
  • 42:55 - 42:57
    most important in Europe, the media
  • 42:57 - 42:59
    said, the ones who pronounced
  • 42:59 - 43:01
    before 24 hours
  • 43:01 - 43:03
    It was not even necessary go to trial
  • 43:03 - 43:05
    because simply the action that
  • 43:05 - 43:08
    was complaint was not a crime.
  • 43:08 - 43:10
    We took the resolution, some
  • 43:10 - 43:12
    press talk about it and what
  • 43:12 - 43:14
    the personal prosecution did was to appeal it
  • 43:14 - 43:17
    evidently and in the appealing they introduced
  • 43:17 - 43:22
    a courious element and questionable that was
  • 43:22 - 43:26
    to say that in Sharemula no
  • 43:26 - 43:28
    crime was commited but they
  • 43:28 - 43:30
    were helping somehow to
  • 43:30 - 43:31
    commit it so they understood that
  • 43:31 - 43:36
    in a different degree of responsability
  • 43:36 - 43:38
    it might be participating, cooperating
  • 43:38 - 43:42
    inciting a crime, Sharemula was
  • 43:42 - 43:45
    cooperating in the assignment of a crime
  • 43:45 - 43:47
    commited by a third part that does communicate
  • 43:47 - 43:50
    publicly, they said. We argued
  • 43:50 - 43:52
    that neither because simply there
  • 43:52 - 43:54
    cannot be cooperation to a crime if
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    what is made by a thrid is not a crime.
  • 43:56 - 43:58
    Sharemula effectively helped
  • 43:58 - 44:01
    users to exchange intellectual
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    works but as the action of
  • 44:02 - 44:04
    the users was not criminal,
  • 44:04 - 44:06
    as we saw with the man from Santander,
  • 44:06 - 44:08
    there cannot be a crime because in order
  • 44:08 - 44:10
    to exist needed cooperation with a
  • 44:10 - 44:11
    crime, the cooperation must be with
  • 44:11 - 44:14
    a criminal action and results that
  • 44:14 - 44:17
    the users action was not.
  • 44:17 - 44:20
    For that reason there did not exist
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    any degree of penal responsability and
  • 44:23 - 44:25
    we were looking for a
  • 44:25 - 44:28
    resolution. It is not a sentence, is a decree
  • 44:28 - 44:30
    that was going to make with
  • 44:30 - 44:34
    domino effecto what was about to happen
  • 44:34 - 44:36
    after and I remember perfectly that no
  • 44:36 - 44:38
    journalist called from "El Mundo"
  • 44:38 - 44:40
    anywhere and after we had
  • 44:40 - 44:44
    been showing off on Internet
  • 44:44 - 44:46
    for about three or four months, telling
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    we had won those guys and
  • 44:48 - 44:51
    we were lawyers that had no
  • 44:51 - 44:54
    presentation card yet,
  • 44:54 - 44:56
    we got phoned from "El Mundo" and said
  • 44:56 - 44:57
    "You have to declared something
  • 44:57 - 44:59
    about the issue that the Province
  • 44:59 - 45:00
    Court has said that you have lost
  • 45:00 - 45:03
    the Sharemula case" of course I have
  • 45:03 - 45:05
    not received absolutely nothing about
  • 45:05 - 45:08
    that and asked how was that possible if we have not
  • 45:08 - 45:11
    been notified and they said that it just happened and
  • 45:11 - 45:12
    ask for any declaration and I said "I do not know,
  • 45:12 - 45:15
    say I have whined, I have cried or something
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    like that because I need to read the
  • 45:17 - 45:18
    resolution before", they said that I
  • 45:18 - 45:20
    would receive it. So I called Javier de
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    la Cueva who is from Madrid and
  • 45:22 - 45:24
    told him "Javier go to the Province
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    Court because they say there is
  • 45:26 - 45:28
    a resolution and look what has been said
  • 45:28 - 45:31
    because it seems to be negative"
  • 45:31 - 45:34
    and Javier, who is the most
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    calmed guy in Madrid and valium is
  • 45:38 - 45:41
    made out from his blood,
  • 45:41 - 45:45
    said "Well, I will go tomorrow"
  • 45:45 - 45:47
    and I said "What is that of tomorrow? We have been
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    showing off on Internet for over
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    three months and this has ended with our
  • 45:51 - 45:54
    career, it started with and now ends" and he said
  • 45:54 - 45:56
    "I am going tomorrow" so I had to wait
  • 45:56 - 45:57
    to the next day in Seville,
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    I woke up soon, I gave him time,
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    I called him at half past ten in the morning and
  • 46:02 - 46:04
    asked him "Javier, Have you gone?"
  • 46:04 - 46:11
    "Where?" (he answered) "To the Province Court,
  • 46:11 - 46:13
    have you gone?" and the man that is one of the best
  • 46:13 - 46:15
    lawyers I know and that calm
  • 46:15 - 46:18
    is without any doubt one
  • 46:18 - 46:20
    of his virtues says
  • 46:20 - 46:22
    "Yes, yes I have gone
  • 46:22 - 46:24
    I saw in the resolution that we won"
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    I replied "what what? and you do not call me, it
  • 46:28 - 46:30
    did not seem something important to you" he answered
  • 46:30 - 46:33
    "Yes we won" I told him "But the man from
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    "El Mundo" said that in the
  • 46:34 - 46:36
    resolution we lost" and he said
  • 46:36 - 46:38
    "Well he got right a 50%, not bad"
  • 46:38 - 46:42
    The thing is that effectively Sharemula
  • 46:42 - 46:44
    ended that way and after that there was
  • 46:44 - 46:47
    a flood of resolutions in the same sense.
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    This as expected
  • 46:51 - 46:53
    did not felt well in the
  • 46:53 - 46:56
    industry and later we will see quickly
  • 46:56 - 46:59
    what was their reaction, after losing
  • 46:59 - 47:01
    in the penal way and in the civil way
  • 47:01 - 47:03
    because the also tried against the
  • 47:03 - 47:05
    link pages, they focused on the
  • 47:05 - 47:08
    developer of the tool
  • 47:08 - 47:12
    precisely in Pablo Soto, who
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    is now city councilman
  • 47:14 - 47:17
    here in Madrid, he is a informatic
  • 47:17 - 47:19
    developer that what had made was
  • 47:19 - 47:21
    to create a tool peer to peer that
  • 47:21 - 47:23
    allowed the exchange of files,
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    of files that may have copyright
  • 47:24 - 47:26
    what may occur
  • 47:26 - 47:28
    in the most of the times and
  • 47:28 - 47:30
    not in other occasion. This depends on
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    the user, and they demanded him, he was demanded
  • 47:33 - 47:36
    by Promusica and the four major
  • 47:36 - 47:38
    record companies, the biggest record
  • 47:38 - 47:41
    companies all over the world and they asked him
  • 47:41 - 47:44
    thirteen millon sixty thousand euros as
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    compensation for violating
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    intellectual property
  • 47:48 - 47:49
    by developing a tool that
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    have been used by thirds
  • 47:51 - 47:54
    to violate intellectual property of the
  • 47:54 - 47:56
    plaintiff
  • 47:56 - 48:02
    this case had a great volume
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    of paper but in reality the question
  • 48:04 - 48:06
    that was made was simple
  • 48:06 - 48:08
    the question asked to the judge under
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    the nine qualifieds that accompanied the
  • 48:10 - 48:11
    complaint was simply 'Does the
  • 48:11 - 48:14
    Intellectual Property Law forbids the
  • 48:14 - 48:18
    informatic developers to create a
  • 48:18 - 48:20
    tool that allows a third
  • 48:20 - 48:24
    to violate intellectual property?'
  • 48:24 - 48:26
    A law like that
  • 48:26 - 48:29
    would have make Gutember not to invent the
  • 48:29 - 48:30
    printing press
  • 48:30 - 48:32
    The question is in our law, this is
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    disposable and the answer was not in
  • 48:35 - 48:38
    the Intellectual Property Law
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    The only forbidden thing was the
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    creation of a software that allows
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    to unprotect works with a
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    specific anticopy system, a
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    DRM or whatever, but it did not forbid
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    the creation of any other
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    technology, not even when this
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    technology may be used by thirds to
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    violate intellectual property rights.
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    The trial was extremely long, it ended
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    animously with Pablo Soto during that
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    time, It was a big dock punishment
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    with the sword of Damocles of
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    those 13 millions 60 thousand euros upon his
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    head and when the trial occured,
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    so you can see how does it moves this
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    question.
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    I remember perfectly it was a trial
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    dividied in three days of five
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    hours each day, for three non consecutive
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    days, there were two consecutive days and
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    in the third day there was one between the
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    secon daay. What happened was that
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    by casualty from the U.S. it was
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    sended the message that Spain was one
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    of the biggest pirates countries that existed
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    in the world, right in the secon day of the
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    Soto trial, the spanish media sum
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    the calculation they had in front of them
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    of two plus two and they got four, what
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    they made was to say that Spain was the
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    biggest pirate country in the world according to
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    the U.S. and today Pablo Soto is judged for
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    creating a peer to peer net and they told
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    that in the same new and the judge who
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    reads newspapers, reads this
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    question, in the trial it has its
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    weight because judges in the end are
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    humans too, with their subjetivities
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    etc., etc.
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    The point is the judge who was an old
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    man, I was in this case also with
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    Javier de la Cueva and my colleague
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    Jose Ignacio Aguilar from Seville and I told to
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    Javier "Watch how the judge
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    with the old he is, he is going to
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    retire and he is not going to dictate
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    any sentence and we have to
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    repeat the trial" and Javier, the calmest
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    man on earth, said "Nah, he is
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    not retiring and if the
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    trial is repeaed I will go
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    gladly" It is a delight, for me, if something
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    really happened and Javier de la Cueva
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    is your lawyer and sayid "Well look that
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    this guy retires, I saw him really
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    old, he is weak" and him "He
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    is not retiring and if he retires we
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    do this again and we doi it again as good,
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    nothing is going to happened". He retired, he did and
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    the law of civil indictment says the
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    sentence has to be done by the judge
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    that was in the hearing and the judge
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    retired so there is a new one
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    and we had to repeat the hearing
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    no part wanted to
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    repeat it because it was a waste of money
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    and a tremendous effort, what we
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    did was go to the court and in front of
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    the new judge, we signed an
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    act, all the lawyers, saying that
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    we all agreed on not to repeat the hearing
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    as it had been
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    recorden on video, as law oblies to, so
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    the new judge watch the hearing in the video and
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    illustrate himseld with the partial
  • 51:55 - 51:58
    verdict and dictate sentence with what
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    it is in the video with no need
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    to repeat it in fron of him, he could
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    watch it on video and all the
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    lawyers of all sides signed the
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    act telling that we all agreed.
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    The case is that the new judge dictated
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    sentence rejecting the demand against
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    Pablo Soto and saying that technology
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    peer to peer is not forbidden by the
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    law of intellectual property, that itt
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    only forbids a specific technology and
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    in this case it was obvious it was not,
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    there was also a debate about the
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    unloyal competence that was also
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    rejected, it was appealed.
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    It was appealed to the Province
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    Court of Madrid and surprisingly
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    it was the first allegation, the first
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    one of the new lawyer office
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    because the hired a new one was
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    to ask the nulity of the sentence because
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    it was dictated but not
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    by the judge who witness the hearing and
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    of course we have signed an act
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    where we said we agreed
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    with that, all lawyers and
  • 53:00 - 53:02
    said the contrary part surely
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    the demanded would told us that
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    we signed an act saying we agreed
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    with the new judge being
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    the one dictating the sentence and
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    look you took it from my mouth, I was going
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    to say it.
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    Just that, but we thought he was going
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    to study the case much better and then
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    they asked for nulity of the sentence
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    because the new judge did not studied
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    the bulky decrees enough
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    to give the the reason, it was a complete
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    win win.
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    We did not repeat the hearing if the
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    sentence was negative, we as for nulity and
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    if its positive, everything is wonderful.
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    The point is that this wen to the Province
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    Court of Madrid, rejected nulity
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    claiming that nulity cannot be an
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    ace up yur sleeve to use it
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    when it suits you and rejected
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    also the subsidiary request of
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    revoking the sentence making the
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    sentence of Pablo Soto to be resolutive.
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    This is the judge-made law panorama that
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    has been in Spain against the
  • 54:07 - 54:09
    users, against link pages,
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    against developers of
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    technologies that may eventually
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    be used to violate intellectual
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    property rights. As you can see all
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    the panorama is negative for the industry,
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    but this last just a bit, because it is then
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    when enters the legislative reform and the
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    legislative reform for me that I have been
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    in some of the cases that had to
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    be with it, it lacks putting the
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    name, meaning it is clear how it is cover
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    a specific hole for a specific case
  • 54:45 - 54:47
    that los a specific part.
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    The Law Sinde,
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    that provision, which is actually
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    a series of reforms in the Intellectual
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    Property Law, and the Information
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    Society Service Act, was simply to
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    change the arbitrators of the conflict,
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    what it did is that what before
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    the judges ruled in civil courts,
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    we will also be able to do so
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    through administrative channels,
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    open an administrative route for the industry,
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    to go directly to the Ministry of Culture,
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    and to be the Ministry of Culture to decide,
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    if this website,
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    As the links pages infringes or not
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    the intellectual property,
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    that is what the Sinde law did,
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    did not change the rules of the game,
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    but if it changed the referee,
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    in fact what happened when
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    changing the referee,
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    is that the Sinde commission
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    began to dictate judgments,
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    which were contrary to those pronounced
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    by the judges only a few months before,
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    and said just the opposite,
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    that what the judges said,
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    interpreting identical rules,
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    and besides changing the referee,
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    soon after, a year, or a year and a half later
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    changed the rules of the game,
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    reformed the Intellectual Property Law,
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    and reformed the Criminal Code,
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    and this reform
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    you will now understand perfectly,
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    without the need for great praise,
  • 56:05 - 56:06
    because we have seen how
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    your journey judicial,
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    and you are going to fit each of the reforms,
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    in your specific case
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    what they do with the Penal Code is,
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    they maintain article 270, which says:
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    public communication and profit motive,
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    and introduce you a new paragraph that says:
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    The same penalty as in the previous paragraph
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    will impose on those who maintain ordered
  • 56:35 - 56:37
    and classified listings of links to works
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    that are being disseminated without authorization,
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    when it has a direct or indirect profit,
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    to enter advertising
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    obviously in this Panorama,
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    this paragraph is expressly dedicated
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    to the pages of links.
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    As for the Soto case, what happened?
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    What happened was that
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    the cooperation to the infringement,
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    that term that was coined in 1999
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    United States in the with Napster,
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    did not exist in Spain,
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    and so that it existed,
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    included in article 138 which already existed,
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    adding a new paragraph stating that:
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    it will be responsible for the infringement,
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    not infringing,
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    but responsible for the infringement
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    of a third party, that in some way cooperated,
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    induces or promotes the infringement,
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    as is a field wide enough
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    to fill legal uncertainty
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    with people like Pablo Soto,
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    or like any of you who are software developers,
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    that is to say what he did,
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    or does because this article 138 is in force,
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    is that People like Pablo Soto,
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    who develop a technology
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    that can somehow be used for lawful purposes
  • 58:02 - 58:03
    and also to infringe intellectual property,
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    are inhibited from that development,
  • 58:06 - 58:08
    because the article 138
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    introduced a new paragraph,
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    ethereal enough to frighten To anyone,
  • 58:13 - 58:15
    because it speaks of terms
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    that are more specific to criminal law,
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    cooperate to induce or promote
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    the infringement of a third party.
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    With this article in hand
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    if Pablo Soto in his day,
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    had come to tell me,
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    I plan to develop a peer to peer tool,
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    I would have told him to be very careful,
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    because the article 138
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    introduced, is basically a
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    translated version in Spanish,
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    what the US courts said
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    when they coined the term
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    "cooperation to infringement"
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    to end Napster, which is just
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    the term that was not in Spain,
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    and which saved Pablo Soto,
  • 58:55 - 58:56
    but was not saved because
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    there was a gap in the Law,
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    nor because there was a gap now filled,
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    but because what was,
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    was a conscious decision of the legislator,
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    who is clear that software developers
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    are also creators of intellectual works,
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    and that need protection,
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    not the opposite, not a wall,
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    and what was not a gap,
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    there was a decision of the legislator
  • 59:17 - 59:20
    that said: "If we restrict
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    further software developers,
  • 59:23 - 59:27
    create cracks to unprotect
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    a certain work with anti copy systems,
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    it turns out To these creators
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    of intellectual works,
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    we are putting a lock
  • 59:36 - 59:40
    that will keep them from creating,
  • 59:40 - 59:41
    for fear that their technology
  • 59:41 - 59:43
    will be used for illicit purposes.
  • 59:43 - 59:44
    In this struggle between
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    creators of intellectual works,
  • 59:46 - 59:48
    has won by defeat, the industry
  • 59:48 - 59:52
    of non-functional works,
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    compared to that of functional works,
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    and that is the legislative landscape
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    with which we find now,
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    despite all the exchange
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    of works Intellectuals continue their course,
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    whether in peer-to-peer networks,
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    because as you know
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    there are peer to peer networks,
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    which are created with free software,
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    with exposed guts,
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    and that do not have a specific head,
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    but thousands of heads,
  • 60:21 - 60:22
    that collaboratively create their code,
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    and that are simply impossible to stop,
  • 60:24 - 60:27
    and if they could stop,
  • 60:27 - 60:29
    we know that you can not,
  • 60:29 - 60:32
    therefore a Pop Corn Time is born,
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    or is born any other way
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    of exchanging intellectual works,
  • 60:36 - 60:38
    which can not be stopped ,
  • 60:38 - 60:40
    this is known in the Ministry of Culture,
  • 60:40 - 60:43
    he fully knew when he was
  • 60:43 - 60:44
    Minister of Culture Wert,
  • 60:44 - 60:47
    he said that to be able to be
  • 60:47 - 60:50
    updated to new technologies,
  • 60:50 - 60:52
    to be able to stop this, so that
  • 60:52 - 60:55
    the law is abreast of new technologies,
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    that it was necessary to do
  • 60:57 - 60:58
    an Intellectual Property Law
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    every three months,
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    I think it fails even in that idea,
  • 61:07 - 61:10
    since it is said that
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    the Intellectual Property Law
  • 61:13 - 61:15
    will be changed in a specific sense,
  • 61:15 - 61:18
    until the law is effectively publishes
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    and enters into force,
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    passes the "vacatio legis",
  • 61:21 - 61:23
    have already come different ways of exchanging,
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    have jumped that new barrier,
  • 61:29 - 61:31
    that was very well with the case of Sinde.
  • 61:31 - 61:35
    When they took out the Sinde Law,
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    I was called to speak at
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    the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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    and I thought I would talk to
  • 61:42 - 61:44
    the filmmakers there,
  • 61:44 - 61:45
    precisely two things,
  • 61:45 - 61:48
    one that I thought the goal they were
  • 61:48 - 61:50
    getting was with the hand,
  • 61:50 - 61:53
    because the judge simply did not change
  • 61:53 - 61:56
    the rules of the game,
  • 61:56 - 61:58
    which were still legal,
  • 61:58 - 62:00
    what they did was break
  • 62:00 - 62:01
    the separation of powers, and say,
  • 62:01 - 62:03
    we opened an administrative route,
  • 62:03 - 62:05
    and we changed the referees of the conflict,
  • 62:05 - 62:08
    it seemed that they were looking for a short cut,
  • 62:08 - 62:10
    it seemed that the goal was
  • 62:10 - 62:12
    trying to insert with the hand,
  • 62:12 - 62:15
    but also did not enter the goal,
  • 62:15 - 62:18
    so it also does not score,
  • 62:18 - 62:21
    try to make a goal with the hand,
  • 62:21 - 62:24
    but neither They got it.
  • 62:24 - 62:29
    I tried to make a kind of experiment,
  • 62:29 - 62:30
    in the 20 minutes I was there,
  • 62:30 - 62:31
    with two other colleagues,
  • 62:31 - 62:33
    Nacho Vigalondo was at the table
  • 62:33 - 62:36
    and another person, in the 20, 30 minutes
  • 62:36 - 62:37
    I had to speak,
  • 62:37 - 62:39
    precisely the Sinde law,
  • 62:39 - 62:42
    What I did was an experiment
  • 62:42 - 62:43
    called Sinde table,
  • 62:43 - 62:45
    I put a hashtag on twitter
  • 62:45 - 62:47
    with the name Sinde table,
  • 62:47 - 62:48
    and I did not want to say
  • 62:48 - 62:50
    anything to not ruin the experiment,
  • 62:50 - 62:52
    to the tweeters who were there,
  • 62:52 - 62:55
    I just said with the hashtag table Sinde,
  • 62:55 - 62:57
    to he hour that begins my paper,
  • 62:57 - 63:01
    I will ask something to talk about
  • 63:01 - 63:06
    the inability to stop the pages link
  • 63:06 - 63:10
    with the law Sinde, because the Sinde law,
  • 63:10 - 63:11
    boasted of being able to close
  • 63:11 - 63:14
    a page of links in four months,
  • 63:14 - 63:16
    then took much more ,
  • 63:16 - 63:18
    but they said four months,
  • 63:18 - 63:23
    well, what we did was, open a page in
  • 63:23 - 63:26
    Google Docs to create a database,
  • 63:26 - 63:29
    page of links, only had a limitation,
  • 63:29 - 63:31
    they could start to send the links,
  • 63:31 - 63:33
    from the moment in that I began to speak,
  • 63:33 - 63:37
    and ended when I finished speaking,
  • 63:37 - 63:39
    to see how long it takes to make
  • 63:39 - 63:44
    a page of links to intellectual works,
  • 63:44 - 63:47
    which are elsewhere,
  • 63:47 - 63:49
    in the time it took to speak,
  • 63:49 - 63:52
    about the ineffectiveness of a Law,
  • 63:52 - 63:54
    after half an hour at the end
  • 63:54 - 63:55
    of the conference, I told the attendees,
  • 63:55 - 63:59
    I did an experiment that I did not tell you,
  • 63:59 - 64:01
    when I started to speak this hashtag,
  • 64:01 - 64:05
    and this is what has happened,
  • 64:05 - 64:06
    they created twenty link pages,
  • 64:06 - 64:10
    they had they open several pages in Google Docs,
  • 64:10 - 64:13
    because they made a database so extensive,
  • 64:13 - 64:15
    it did not fit and fell continuously,
  • 64:15 - 64:17
    so they opened several mirrors,
  • 64:17 - 64:19
    and created 20 pages of links,
  • 64:19 - 64:22
    in the time it takes a conference on effectiveness,
  • 64:22 - 64:24
    Or ineffectiveness of the Sinde law,
  • 64:24 - 64:26
    which was to close them in four months,
  • 64:26 - 64:28
    simply explained to the people there,
  • 64:28 - 64:31
    is that what you want to close
  • 64:31 - 64:32
    is the index of the encyclopedia,
  • 64:32 - 64:34
    but the encyclopedia still exists,
  • 64:34 - 64:36
    and there are very easy ways
  • 64:36 - 64:38
    to create an index in a matter of minutes.
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    Of course the director of the festival
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    was very angry, and I have not gone to
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    the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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    I have not been invited anymore,
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    for whatever reason.
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    Rebordinos, who is the director
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    of the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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    asked him the same day in "El País",
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    what did the experiment look like,
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    because the experiment had a lot of movement,
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    in fact it was a worldwide trending topic,
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    only surpassed by the hashtag of the word vagina
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    of but in short, was a very worthy second position,
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    and there was a lot of movement with that question,
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    the media called all parties asking what happened at
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    the San Sebastian Film Festival?,
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    and called Rebordinos was very angry and said:
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    this gentleman has not been called
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    here to mount this,
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    he has been called to talk about trans-media film,
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    I was surprised because
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    I do not know what trans-media cinema is,
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    everyone knows what I'm talking about, anyway,
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    I went there only instead of talking,
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    I tried to prove what I was saying,
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    and that seemed to go a little too far,
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    it's allowed to give your opinion but not to show it.
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    Then he became very angry,
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    and when asked two or three weeks later,
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    the San Sebastian film festival,
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    what had been the best and
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    worst moment of the festival?
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    said: The best had been talking to
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    Glenn Close of cooking recipes,
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    who can compete with that,
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    and what the worst,
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    although you can not speak
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    of one that is the worst,
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    but that I was the worst moment of
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    the Film Festival San Sebastian,
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    but it was quite funny,
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    and in definite accounts although this would close
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    the doors of the cinema,
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    something was demonstrated,
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    and put on the mat,
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    something that seems interesting,
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    what is done when a reality is impossible to stop?.
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    There is an American economist
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    who said that this download of the internet
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    was like the Law of Economic Gravity,
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    he was trying to say that
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    if you took a pen and released it, the pen fell,
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    and you can be against that happening,
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    And that you think it morally
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    very reprehensible that that happens,
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    and make thousands of laws that prohibit it,
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    and after all those campaigns
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    saying how bad it seems to you,
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    after making thousands of
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    laws that prohibit the fall of the pen,
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    someone will release a ball pen
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    somewhere and it will fall again,
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    the guy said that the download of the internet
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    was like the Law of Gravity,
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    and that there was little to do,
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    that what had to be done was to find an alternative,
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    so that the Creators, being a social benefit,
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    continue to create, and have an incentive to create,
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    and that could only be achieved,
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    with changes in business models,
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    and changes also in the remuneration systems
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    of creators, the guy said,
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    That in the days where the peer to peer networks
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    was the most attended,
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    said that the content industry,
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    this was said long before "Spotify",
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    long before "Netflix", or long before Filmin,
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    "Said that the content industry had
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    something that put them in a
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    very special competitive advantage,
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    ahead of the "peer to peer" networks,
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    those old "peer to peer" networks,
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    said: look at the content industry,
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    they have first the content before anyone else,
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    and can launch a peer to peer network
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    system remunerated for example with advertising,
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    or with subscription systems,
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    such as after Netflix was born,
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    and many think that gratuitousness is
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    the only reason it does that a mass of
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    potential clients will go from one place to another,
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    but it turns out not, that we can present
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    several systems, one that is free,
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    others "freemiun", other "premium",
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    and we can get those guys to get us have gone,
  • 68:48 - 68:50
    instead of chasing them with a stick to go back
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    to our stores,
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    to attract them with an alternative proposal,
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    to seduce them in some way,
  • 69:00 - 69:02
    said that peer to peer networks have some
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    negative issues, has the positive that is the price,
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    which is the fact that you can,
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    download it without paying for what you download,
  • 69:10 - 69:11
    but it has some negatives,
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    which a professional service like ours could remove,
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    have queue waiting,
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    we are talking about the times of "Emule"
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    has the possibility to infect you with viruses,
  • 69:21 - 69:23
    you have the possibility of fake you,
  • 69:23 - 69:27
    the famous "fake" as a classic example is:
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    you download a classic movie,
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    and in the end is a porn movie, or vice versa,
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    you can also , And that is almost worse,
  • 69:39 - 69:44
    that you download a porn movie, and be a classic,
  • 69:44 - 69:47
    anyway, the fact is that it is not what
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    you were looking for, or that you download
  • 69:48 - 69:52
    "Lies and Fat", and "Lies and Fat"
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    In short that some of this happens,
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    and said we can go here,
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    and then came out "Spotify",
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    and then came out "Netflix",
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    and it has been proven,
  • 70:05 - 70:07
    that if there is something that downloads
  • 70:07 - 70:11
    they are not the proper names of Sinde, Wert, Lasalle,
  • 70:11 - 70:14
    but rather are their own names similar to
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    "Netflix", "Filmim", "Spotify",
  • 70:16 - 70:19
    and it was also said that in France,
  • 70:19 - 70:20
    a system was proposed in the past,
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    basically following the thought,
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    that what is taken advantage of by all,
  • 70:25 - 70:27
    must be held by all,
  • 70:27 - 70:30
    and spoke of the optional general license,
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    an amount you pay is a form of tax,
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    which differs from the famous "Canon" to CDs,
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    in the fact of the word Optional,
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    we speak of general license as an option,
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    that is to say it was paid by
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    those who actually used it,
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    or would use the network for this,
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    and paid it not to the "Sgae"
  • 70:48 - 70:49
    to distribute it among its partners,
  • 70:49 - 70:51
    nor to the other seven entities Of management,
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    but paid it to the state that distributed
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    it among the authors,
  • 70:56 - 70:59
    who identified themselves with certain watermarks,
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    in a system similar to that proposed to
  • 71:01 - 71:03
    Richard Stallman and William Fisher,
  • 71:03 - 71:05
    both were cited in the book "Free Culture"
  • 71:05 - 71:08
    by Lawrence Lessig,
  • 71:08 - 71:10
    when we talked about this impasse,
  • 71:10 - 71:12
    where it seemed that we had arrived,
  • 71:12 - 71:15
    and which had been advanced Lessig said,
  • 71:15 - 71:19
    to the conflict several years in advance,
  • 71:19 - 71:22
    had seen as a visionary that this was not
  • 71:22 - 71:23
    going to reach no part,
  • 71:23 - 71:27
    long before we saw that the alley was dead-end,
  • 71:27 - 71:29
    and already proposed an exit in these terms,
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    and in France was not only rejected,
  • 71:31 - 71:34
    but what they did was to impose the Hadopi law,
  • 71:34 - 71:37
    which was to cut the connection
  • 71:37 - 71:40
    of those who connected to peer to peer networks.
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    In the United States,
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    they proposed not only to cut the connection
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    of those who connect to peer to peer networks,
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    but to destroy by remote control,
  • 71:49 - 71:52
    the computer from which they connect
  • 71:52 - 71:54
    to peer to peer networks.
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    US Senator Orrin Hatch who was also a composer
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    and had the poor head lost, and rejected it,
  • 72:01 - 72:03
    but although they rejected this
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    in the United States,
  • 72:05 - 72:08
    the level of punishment to try to stop
  • 72:08 - 72:11
    what was unstoppable rose so much,
  • 72:11 - 72:13
    that the fine that can fall
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    for downloading two songs,
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    is greater than the maximum fine
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    that can fall to a doctor,
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    who mistakenly amputates a good leg,
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    why? because
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    precisely because we spoke at the beginning,
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    because they found that neither
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    with the demands a Brianna LaHara,
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    nor with the demands of Gertrude Walton,
  • 72:33 - 72:35
    were able to stop this reality,
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    and they continued raising the level of punishment,
  • 72:36 - 72:38
    until reaching these bizarre limits,
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    and then came out "Netflix",
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    and then came out "Spotify",
  • 72:42 - 72:44
    because it seems that in some Countries
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    is already coming to the conclusion
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    that no matter how much we change the laws,
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    somewhere there will be someone
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    who will pick up the pen,
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    it will jump and it will fall.
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    This is all friends thanks.
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    Hecho por : MIGUEL POMBOZA GUADALUPE
Title:
Las acciones legales contra el intercambio de copias en Internet - David Bravo
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