Las acciones legales contra el intercambio de copias en Internet - David Bravo
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0:08 - 0:11Welcome to a new conference
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0:11 - 0:13of the subject of ethic, legislation and profession.
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0:13 - 0:16We have a very special guest:
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0:16 - 0:19David Bravo, lawyer expert in intellectual property
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0:19 - 0:21and, now, I leave you with him.
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0:23 - 0:28Thank you, hello everyone, thank you
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0:28 - 0:30for coming to the presentation.
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0:30 - 0:34By the way, I loved the presentation
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0:34 - 0:37made by the delegation of computer science students
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0:37 - 0:40who posted in twitter that you
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0:40 - 0:42do not miss the conference of someone
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0:42 - 0:45who has a facebook group asking
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0:45 - 0:47for him to be Minister of Culture.
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0:47 - 0:50I am at the top as you can see my friends,
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0:50 - 0:52my titles never end.
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0:52 - 0:55Yes, I am basically a lawyer
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0:55 - 0:57specialised in intellectual property and
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0:57 - 1:01for ten years more or less I have been
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1:01 - 1:03working in intellectual property
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1:03 - 1:05issues and defending those who the
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1:05 - 1:07content industry has called
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1:07 - 1:10pyrates and we will later see with the
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1:10 - 1:11results of the legal actions if they
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1:11 - 1:13really are or not and also the legislative
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1:13 - 1:17changes that have taken place about it.
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1:17 - 1:20In this conference,
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1:20 - 1:24we will adress the issue of the
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1:24 - 1:27legal attacks or legal actions
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1:27 - 1:31that have been exercised against the exchange
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1:31 - 1:35of intellectual works through internet
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1:35 - 1:37We will see what is the result of
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1:37 - 1:41this legal actions and how it has
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1:41 - 1:43changed the legislation after the
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1:43 - 1:47sentence that has had a particular
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1:47 - 1:51sign that one part of this strife
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1:51 - 1:54did not like. As in every
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1:54 - 1:58conflict, there are many ways to solve it.
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1:58 - 2:00In this issue about intellectual
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2:00 - 2:03property and in order to sum
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2:03 - 2:04it up,
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2:04 - 2:07I will say that in the issue
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2:07 - 2:11of file transfer, there are two sides
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2:11 - 2:14in conflict. One says
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2:14 - 2:15that this
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2:15 - 2:19can be stop and must be stop
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2:19 - 2:22with a legislation that ought to be
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2:22 - 2:27the most punitive possible in order to forbid
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2:27 - 2:30certain mass and routine habits
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2:30 - 2:33among citizens. And another
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2:33 - 2:36group that believes that
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2:36 - 2:41this apart from being bad, it is
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2:41 - 2:45also impossible to put into practice and
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2:45 - 2:49that we are speaking about trying to stop
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2:49 - 2:51something that, technologically, is impossible
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2:51 - 2:55to stop. Between this two
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2:55 - 2:58movements, there are lots of persons who
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2:58 - 3:01are in between and they take a bit of each position.
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3:01 - 3:02Of course there is a wide
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3:02 - 3:05variety of different possible positions,
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3:05 - 3:05and, without doubt,
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3:05 - 3:08it is the first one, the position that it is being impossed
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3:08 - 3:11in all legislations worldwide.
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3:11 - 3:13With a legislation that it is each day
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3:13 - 3:16more restrictive about intellectual
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3:16 - 3:19property rights and growing more and
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3:19 - 3:22more the penalties for certain acts
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3:22 - 3:25that are pretended to be illegal.
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3:25 - 3:28In the legislation, sanctions are growing
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3:28 - 3:30because it is understood that with
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3:30 - 3:33the ones there were against routine acts
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3:33 - 3:36like transfer of file on internet, it could not
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3:36 - 3:38be stopped. As it was not stopped,
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3:38 - 3:40penalties were increased again and again and
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3:40 - 3:42again as it might be a point where it
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3:42 - 3:47coul be stopped.
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3:47 - 3:52The legal attack started in the U.S.
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3:52 - 3:55back in the time of Napster; I do not
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3:55 - 3:57know if you can remember it. It was 1999
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3:57 - 4:00and Napster was in vogue, Metallica was the
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4:00 - 4:03first group that pointed out at the
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4:03 - 4:06users as being responsible of the
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4:06 - 4:08possible illegalities and since then, since
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4:08 - 4:141999 and until now, the legal
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4:14 - 4:16battle has not stopped.
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4:16 - 4:19In the U.S. they decided to take legal actions.
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4:19 - 4:21following this
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4:21 - 4:22logic, after finishing with
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4:22 - 4:25Napster, they continued by going
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4:25 - 4:29after the individual users and
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4:29 - 4:31inniciated legal actions against thousands of
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4:31 - 4:33users that exchanged works through
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4:33 - 4:35the Internet and if this action
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4:35 - 4:39showed something, it was that this social
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4:39 - 4:42reality we are talking about was
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4:42 - 4:44much more heterogeneous than what it
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4:44 - 4:45was thought.
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4:45 - 4:48It was thoguht that this was a youthful
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4:48 - 4:50matter or even a temporary
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4:50 - 4:52situation, but when this legal actions
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4:52 - 4:55started, the demanded made clear that
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4:55 - 4:57they were a social mass that,
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4:57 - 4:59although the majority were
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4:59 - 5:00young persons who have grown up with
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5:00 - 5:02the new technologies, it reached to
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5:02 - 5:05all social backgrounds, independently
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5:05 - 5:07of age or social class.
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5:07 - 5:10It was exposed for
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5:10 - 5:12example by situation of Brianna Lahara,
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5:12 - 5:15a twelve years old girl that was
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5:15 - 5:16sue in the U.S. because she
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5:16 - 5:18downloaded music from Internet. It
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5:18 - 5:21was curious how they put the
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5:21 - 5:25top for the compensation. In the
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5:25 - 5:26U.S.
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5:26 - 5:29the plaintiff was RIAA which represents the
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5:29 - 5:31record industry in America
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5:31 - 5:33and what they did was that when
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5:33 - 5:35it came to light the scandal that a kid
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5:35 - 5:37was being sued by the RIAA, the RIAA
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5:37 - 5:40stood up and announced they were going
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5:40 - 5:42to solve it out of cort with
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5:42 - 5:46an agreement, so they asked how much money
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5:46 - 5:48did Brianna LaHara have, as she is a
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5:48 - 5:51twelve years old girl, so they could reach an agreement.
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5:51 - 5:55Of course, the parents and the girl replied that
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5:55 - 5:56she had nothing because she was a kid
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5:56 - 5:59so they asked if the girl had
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5:59 - 6:01any savings for the university
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6:01 - 6:03as you know that in the U.S. it is
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6:03 - 6:07usual. The parents answered affirmatively,
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6:07 - 6:09she had three thousand dollars they
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6:09 - 6:11were depositing in a bank account in
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6:11 - 6:14her name for her university when she
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6:14 - 6:19grows up. So they put three thousands dollars
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6:19 - 6:20as the amount they demanded for an
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6:20 - 6:22out of cort agreement. That way,
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6:22 - 6:24they sended a clear message,
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6:24 - 6:25they were going to ask for all
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6:25 - 6:28the money you had witohut any
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6:28 - 6:29distinction.
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6:29 - 6:31Related to age, another paradigmatic
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6:31 - 6:33case refering to age, so we
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6:33 - 6:35can see the heterogenic group
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6:35 - 6:36we are talking about, is the case of
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6:36 - 6:38Gertrude Walton a grandmother tha surprisingly
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6:38 - 6:41was sued for downloading rap music, which
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6:41 - 6:45is strange. It was a weird situation that was
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6:45 - 6:46shown in the press,
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6:46 - 6:47a eighty-three years old grandmother
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6:47 - 6:51downloading rap music, her niece
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6:51 - 6:52claimed that it was all
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6:52 - 6:55absolutely impossible, that her
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6:55 - 6:58grandmother had never downloaded rap music
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6:58 - 7:02and she laid on the table two legal
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7:02 - 7:05solid reasonings so that the demand
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7:05 - 7:07ended in nothing. First one was to say
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7:07 - 7:10that her grandmother never liked rap music
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7:10 - 7:13and the second one was that in the moment
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7:13 - 7:15of the incident, her grandmother was
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7:15 - 7:18dead.
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7:18 - 7:21It meant she had an alibi,
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7:24 - 7:27so the legal action
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7:27 - 7:29was stopped, although the message left
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7:29 - 7:32was clear. Identically, this
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7:32 - 7:33legal actions have spread from
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7:33 - 7:35the U.S. to the rest of the globe
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7:35 - 7:38including Spain where legal actions
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7:38 - 7:40have been inicaited against
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7:40 - 7:42absolutely all actors that
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7:42 - 7:44take part in the exchange
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7:44 - 7:45of files through Internet:
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7:45 - 7:48Users, link pages to this
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7:48 - 7:49files as we will see later and
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7:49 - 7:53even the software developers that
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7:53 - 7:55created the P2P program that allows
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7:55 - 7:57the exchange of files, not to
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7:57 - 8:00mention also those who host the
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8:00 - 8:04contents. As you all know the famous direct
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8:04 - 8:07download page of Megaupload that had legal
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8:07 - 8:09actions taken against them. Nonetheless
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8:09 - 8:11in Spain there had also been legal
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8:11 - 8:13actions against the big content
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8:13 - 8:15containers and one of them for
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8:15 - 8:18example is Youtube which in the end is
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8:18 - 8:20nothing more than intermediary that what it
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8:20 - 8:22does is to host content uploaded by its
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8:22 - 8:25own users.
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8:27 - 8:29Of course, in this issue of
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8:29 - 8:32the intellectual property as you see
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8:32 - 8:36there are basically two options and
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8:36 - 8:39between them which are
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8:39 - 8:41either we go to the restriction of this
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8:41 - 8:43habits through the legislative way
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8:43 - 8:45or we accept that this is a reality
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8:45 - 8:47impossible to stop in practice and
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8:47 - 8:49we look for an alternative way
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8:49 - 8:50of remuneration with new business
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8:50 - 8:52models adapted to this new
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8:52 - 8:55reality in those two possible
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8:55 - 8:58solutions among many other.
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8:58 - 9:00Among them we found that the
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9:02 - 9:04industry, previous to legal
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9:04 - 9:07actions and previous to any legal
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9:07 - 9:09reform, as it always is usually done
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9:09 - 9:12and in fact it is called in legal
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9:12 - 9:14doctrine, prelegislative stage. This
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9:14 - 9:16phase has a concrete name in the
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9:16 - 9:18legal doctrine, what it happens always,
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9:18 - 9:21when there is a group of power that wants
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9:21 - 9:24to change a legislation, what they make is
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9:24 - 9:26to present to the legislator a
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9:26 - 9:29reality that recquires of his
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9:29 - 9:33intervention. This is the reason for what there is
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9:33 - 9:34made the
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9:34 - 9:36famous awareness campaigns, those
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9:36 - 9:37awareness campaigns that appear
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9:37 - 9:42in the cinema, in T.V., in the
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9:42 - 9:45radio or even at schools. What they
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9:45 - 9:47make is to present to the legislator a
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9:47 - 9:50reality, a reality painted in a
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9:50 - 9:52specific way, serious
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9:52 - 9:54enough so their intervention it is
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9:54 - 9:55needed.
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9:55 - 9:59Well, in Spain we have passed it and
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9:59 - 10:01we are still in it because it is made
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10:01 - 10:04simultaneously or it never ends that
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10:04 - 10:05awareness phase
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10:07 - 10:11that started officially in 2005. A year
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10:12 - 10:17before, in 2004, in the 21th of June that
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10:17 - 10:18it is the international day for music.
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10:18 - 10:21They went to see the fromer president
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10:21 - 10:24Zapatero, they were a variety of musicians, that
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10:24 - 10:27for me, they are the, probably, less
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10:27 - 10:29representative of the music world, they
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10:29 - 10:32are the best selling artists, probably
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10:32 - 10:35those who less represent the music
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10:35 - 10:37sector. They went there and
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10:37 - 10:38told Zapatero that he had to do
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10:38 - 10:40something about the downloads issue.
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10:40 - 10:43from the perspective of repression,
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10:43 - 10:44meaning, from the perspective of this
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10:44 - 10:48political solution and no other.
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10:49 - 10:51Went there for example Alejandro Sanz and
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10:51 - 10:53David Bisbal, who is now sadly
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10:53 - 10:56present due to what he did
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10:56 - 11:01to Chenoa. And when Zapatero listened to
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11:01 - 11:04the laboral difficulties of David Bisbal and how
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11:04 - 11:06he does not have a stone heart, he
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11:06 - 11:09told them that he was going to intervene and in the year
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11:09 - 11:122005 the antipiracy plan was adopted.
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11:12 - 11:14The antipiracy plan, what
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11:14 - 11:15it basically did was to
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11:15 - 11:17institutionalised as any possible
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11:17 - 11:22way the repression. In order to
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11:22 - 11:24explain what ought to be done with
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11:24 - 11:25the issue of the intellectual property,
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11:25 - 11:27far from other persons like Stallman
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11:27 - 11:30or Lessig who have a vision about
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11:30 - 11:31intellectual property
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11:31 - 11:33much more opened, the only possible
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11:33 - 11:36vision and the one to be translated
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11:36 - 11:38from all sides was that
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11:38 - 11:40intellectual property must be
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11:40 - 11:42restricted, it means, repress
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11:42 - 11:46this behaviors. That solution was
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11:46 - 11:48released in all communication
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11:48 - 11:49media as only possible way.
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11:49 - 11:52in fact, the antipiracy commission of the
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11:52 - 11:55Culture Ministry, when talks about
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11:55 - 11:57the campaigns calling for
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11:57 - 11:59awareness, it says that last
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11:59 - 12:01campaign, when talking about the last,
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12:01 - 12:03it said that it should be maintained, this campaign,
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12:03 - 12:06for a long time, so it could be
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12:06 - 12:10interiorised by the citizens and that
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12:10 - 12:12the plan of the media in the campaign had
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12:12 - 12:14as objective, to reach the highest number of
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12:14 - 12:16persons, an addecuated number of times
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12:16 - 12:19so that the message can penetrate. It means,
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12:19 - 12:22when we are talking in these
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12:22 - 12:25terms, when we talked in these terms,
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12:25 - 12:26that the message has to be repeated a
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12:26 - 12:28proper number of times so the message
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12:28 - 12:30penetrates. We are far away from
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12:30 - 12:32awareness campaigns and we are
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12:32 - 12:34under pure propaganda and we are talking
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12:34 - 12:35about political propaganda.
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12:35 - 12:38We are talking about sending a
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12:38 - 12:41political message about a possibility to solve
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12:41 - 12:43the problem from a range of different solutions
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12:43 - 12:46and saying that it is the only possible
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12:46 - 12:50solution. This campaigns are made in all
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12:50 - 12:53situations and like two week ago, it
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12:53 - 12:55was voted in the culture commission a PNL
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12:55 - 12:59where it was propose that these
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12:59 - 13:04campaigns were taken to schools,
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13:04 - 13:07something that has previously ocurred, because
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13:07 - 13:09they considered us to be
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13:09 - 13:10the lost generation as they call it.
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13:10 - 13:13This is to say to people that grew up
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13:13 - 13:15in a certain way, that has a
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13:15 - 13:18concrete way fo thinking and a
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13:18 - 13:19immovable way to make things and
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13:19 - 13:22that what it had to be done was to go to
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13:22 - 13:25kids in schools so that from
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13:25 - 13:26the beginning
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13:26 - 13:28they think this certain way from
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13:28 - 13:31the schools. In the Commission of
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13:31 - 13:34Culture of the
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13:34 - 13:36Congress, it was voted a PNL where it
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13:36 - 13:38talked about taking this awareness
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13:38 - 13:40campaigns to schools and it was
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13:40 - 13:44voted favorably by the groups with
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13:44 - 13:46the abstention
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13:46 - 13:50for me indefensible of Podemos that
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13:50 - 13:52voted 'No' in the
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13:52 - 13:55pass legislature, but this campaign
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13:55 - 13:59we can see is not only directed to
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13:59 - 14:01children because we have seen
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14:01 - 14:04each Christmas ther is a campaign of the
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14:04 - 14:05so called for awareness
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14:05 - 14:07i do not know if you remember, it was
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14:07 - 14:09called "Defend your culture", it had
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14:09 - 14:11a slogan specially
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14:11 - 14:15fool, the slogan was "If you are legal, you are
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14:15 - 14:19legal" seriously, I do not know who designed
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14:19 - 14:21the campaign. They can get back the money
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14:21 - 14:24yet but it was that and it had
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14:24 - 14:28a part of contest, really weird,
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14:28 - 14:31where what they had to do was to send
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14:31 - 14:35a message saying how did it affect you
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14:35 - 14:37the so called piracy and they,
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14:37 - 14:41three experts of culture from the Ministry,
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14:41 - 14:44looked at the messages and they three,
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14:44 - 14:47together, they decided which one was
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14:47 - 14:50the best of the month, and published and give
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14:50 - 14:53a present that were two tickets for the
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14:53 - 14:55Prado Museum, which as a git is not
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14:55 - 14:57a big thing, but it could be use for resae or
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14:57 - 14:59whatever.
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14:59 - 15:03That was the gift the contest had.
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15:03 - 15:06So the people started sending
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15:06 - 15:07their message about how they were affected
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15:07 - 15:09by piracy and as we are hearing
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15:09 - 15:12so many strange thing for the issue
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15:12 - 15:16of piracy that the poor moderator
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15:16 - 15:18they had in there in the
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15:18 - 15:20web page was unabke to distinguish
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15:20 - 15:22when they were being serious and
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15:22 - 15:24when they were joking because
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15:24 - 15:25for example, Antonio Guisasola,
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15:25 - 15:29president of Promusicae, it means, the
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15:29 - 15:32we could say
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15:32 - 15:33boss of record industry
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15:33 - 15:37here in Spain, says things like that
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15:37 - 15:40discographies are so
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15:40 - 15:42worried about the internet
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15:42 - 15:44download issue that even the
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15:44 - 15:46street sellers went to Promusica to protest
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15:46 - 15:49for internet downloads, It means that
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15:49 - 15:53in the history of Guisaola seems
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15:53 - 15:55an episode of the "Chanante Hour" is that
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15:55 - 15:57street sellers went to speak with
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15:57 - 16:00Guisaola to tell him "I cannot sell
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16:00 - 16:02pirated discs because they are downloaded from
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16:02 - 16:04Internet" complaining to Guisaola, it means
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16:04 - 16:08if that street seller exists, he is God
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16:08 - 16:10I want him as minister now then.
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16:10 - 16:14Clearly it cost the moderator
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16:14 - 16:16a lot of work to distinguish when
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16:16 - 16:18they were serious and when the
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16:18 - 16:20were joking
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16:20 - 16:22and then it happened that there were
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16:22 - 16:26many jokes and later, "Forocoches" joined
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16:26 - 16:30the game and said "I will try to
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16:30 - 16:33send this message, let's see if it
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16:33 - 16:34is published"
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16:34 - 16:36And clearly, lots did not pass
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16:36 - 16:39because they were too obvious and said I will
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16:39 - 16:43try to send this one and wrote in the forum "Let's
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16:43 - 16:46see, I will say what I was told in
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16:46 - 16:48scholl, I enter and downloaded films
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16:48 - 16:51I got infected by virus and I had to
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16:51 - 16:54change the CPU because virus
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16:54 - 16:59enter the computer processing unit, do not download
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16:59 - 17:01anything because people put bad things
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17:01 - 17:04inside the files and steak your
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17:04 - 17:09data, your photos, your "rotodos" and everything,
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17:09 - 17:19it's legal easily' how was going to pass
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17:19 - 17:21that with a virus that enter the processing unit,
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17:21 - 17:24well it passed.
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17:24 - 17:26It was published in the web page as
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17:26 - 17:28hundreds of similar comments but even
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17:28 - 17:31more, the tree experts from
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17:31 - 17:33the Culture Ministry thought that this
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17:33 - 17:36comment was the best of the month and they
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17:36 - 17:40give him the prize with the two tickets to
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17:40 - 17:43the Prado Museum
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17:43 - 17:45When I saw what had been
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17:45 - 17:49chosen as best, I said I would
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17:49 - 17:51find the one that wrote it and
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17:51 - 17:53I put the message in Google,
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17:53 - 17:55rapidly "Forocoches" "ha ha ha ha" everyone
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17:55 - 17:58laughing and I said, the have sneak them and
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17:58 - 18:02I posted it in my blog and I said, 'lets see'
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18:02 - 18:04the message that won was a joke,
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18:04 - 18:06and I am afraid that this three experts in
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18:06 - 18:09intellectual property are the ones that
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18:09 - 18:10are doing our laws and they did not
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18:10 - 18:13realised it, this is alarming. And then
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18:13 - 18:15they called me from "Público", from the
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18:15 - 18:18newspaper, and the told me
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18:18 - 18:21' I had some declarations about what
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18:21 - 18:26you have uncovered about the general
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18:26 - 18:28Director of Policy and Cultural
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18:28 - 18:30Industry explaining this situation'
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18:30 - 18:32So i got scared a bit, because I may
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18:32 - 18:35have put my foot in it or something and I said 'well
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18:35 - 18:36tell me what are the declarations and
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18:36 - 18:38I reply them'. He said that
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18:38 - 18:41the declarations were 'The only thing that
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18:41 - 18:43demonstrates that this message has won
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18:43 - 18:47is that the system is transparent, there is no
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18:47 - 18:50censorship and that we are dedicated to
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18:50 - 18:55control web pages' 'Ok, yes
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18:55 - 18:59it does demonstrate that and also demonstrates
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18:59 - 19:01that they have been sneaked until it has
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19:01 - 19:03reached the top, you are telling me that
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19:03 - 19:07there are three experts in the ministry of
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19:07 - 19:09culture that thoguht that virus
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19:09 - 19:11get into the processing unit and steal your
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19:11 - 19:15"rotodos" then we are lost'
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19:15 - 19:18The pont is that when I start reading
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19:18 - 19:22what the comission says about the
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19:22 - 19:24campaigns, they explain something that got
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19:24 - 19:26my attention and it is that communication
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19:26 - 19:29media insert this messages in
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19:29 - 19:30their advertisement and the
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19:30 - 19:34majority do it for free,
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19:34 - 19:36it means that Telecinco, Antena3, the private
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19:36 - 19:38T.V. channels, take this campaigns
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19:38 - 19:40elaborated by the Ministry of Culture and
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19:40 - 19:43they put them in their schedule for free and
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19:43 - 19:47it is normal inside the
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19:47 - 19:50enviroment that is created when talking
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19:50 - 19:53about new technologies in general, not
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19:53 - 19:54just Internet.
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19:54 - 19:56I do not know if you have seen how the
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19:56 - 19:57media treats regularly all
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19:57 - 19:59that has somethiong to do with new
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19:59 - 20:00technologies. It is always
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20:00 - 20:02with a prism or almost always something
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20:02 - 20:06negative, simply because internet and
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20:06 - 20:08new techonologies are direct
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20:08 - 20:10competitors to the media
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20:10 - 20:11like television, press or radio.
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20:11 - 20:17I had a time when Google News
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20:17 - 20:19existed,
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20:19 - 20:22before going away from Spain due to the
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20:22 - 20:23AEDE canon that we will talk later if you
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20:23 - 20:26wish to, so I search on Google News
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20:26 - 20:31concrete words, I searched Internet
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20:31 - 20:32or web or any other word that
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20:32 - 20:35was related to new
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20:35 - 20:38technologies in order to look what results
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20:38 - 20:40the media brought back and
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20:40 - 20:42the prism that was given to the
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20:42 - 20:46headlines. When I saw that, it
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20:46 - 20:48looked pretty normal that media
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20:48 - 20:51welcomed everything
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20:51 - 20:53that criticise their way of doing
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20:53 - 20:58things, that precisely take their
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20:58 - 21:01audience with the headlines I
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21:01 - 21:03found and anyone could do the
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21:03 - 21:06same proof with any other
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21:06 - 21:08searcher. There were headliines like
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21:08 - 21:13the followings, "Terror in the web", "Danger
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21:13 - 21:17in Internet", "Alcohol and drugs as well
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21:17 - 21:20as Internet may suposse a big threat
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21:20 - 21:23to the youth",
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21:23 - 21:26"Internet can cause neuronal
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21:26 - 21:29damages", "surfing the internet there is
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21:29 - 21:32higher risk of adultery",
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21:32 - 21:35"Jennifer Aniston leaved his boyfriend due
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21:35 - 21:37to Internet's fault",
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21:37 - 21:40"Americans abandon their
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21:40 - 21:44friends and sex for their life on Internet"
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21:44 - 21:46"The U.S. look out Twitter for
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21:46 - 21:50its posible use with terrorist objectives",
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21:50 - 21:56"A boy is murdered by his gameboy".
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21:56 - 21:58This last I had to read it
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21:58 - 22:01I could not leave it just with the headline
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22:01 - 22:04when I read it, it resulted that the
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22:04 - 22:06kid had a tragic accident when
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22:06 - 22:09he went out of the swimming pool and took
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22:09 - 22:11the gameboy which its battery was plugged
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22:11 - 22:13in and he was electrocuted.
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22:13 - 22:15The gameboy itself did not do
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22:15 - 22:19nothing, it was the water and the electricity
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22:19 - 22:21basically what intervened but in here
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22:21 - 22:24they decided that it was the gameboy the one
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22:24 - 22:26that had murdered him and sended that
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22:26 - 22:28message. the next headline
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22:28 - 22:29is clearer and said "Internet kills
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22:29 - 22:34you"
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22:34 - 22:36In here I did not even read it, it did not
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22:36 - 22:38matter.
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22:38 - 22:40"Pork flu propagated also through
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22:40 - 22:42Internet"
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22:42 - 22:46"Regular use of Internet generates
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22:46 - 22:50depression and isolation", "Xenophobia
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22:50 - 22:52dances on Internet"
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22:52 - 22:56"Hitler in Internet", "Cruelty of the
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22:56 - 22:58internet users"
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22:58 - 23:01"Google opens strongboxes", "Learned to
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23:01 - 23:04kill thanks to Google", "His computer
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23:04 - 23:11can be a zombi", "Internet puts on weight" and "My
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23:11 - 23:14daughter got pregnant and
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23:14 - 23:19its Internet fault" the one of Internet
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23:19 - 23:20puts on weight, I love it because it fits
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23:20 - 23:24inside a patron I have seen before.
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23:24 - 23:27There was a study, I cannot know which
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23:27 - 23:29country that gave for another headline, it
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23:29 - 23:30had to do with videogames.
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23:30 - 23:33The headline was "Videogames create
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23:33 - 23:36fat and violent kids" and not
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23:36 - 23:39only they put on weight, evenmore, they also
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23:39 - 23:40turned you violent. Of course the
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23:40 - 23:43alarmism is clear, there is nothing that
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23:43 - 23:46frightens more than a gang of angry
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23:46 - 23:49fat guys and when you read that
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23:49 - 23:51study, they justified it
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23:51 - 23:53with the typical, that
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23:53 - 23:55videogames create violent kids which
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23:55 - 23:57we have read that before in other places
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23:57 - 23:59and about the "fats" they justified it because
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23:59 - 24:02as they played videogames they did not play any sport
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24:02 - 24:04and that is why it fatten. There are other
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24:04 - 24:06activities like lecture and we have
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24:06 - 24:08not read anywhere a headline that said
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24:08 - 24:10that reading puts on weight, however
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24:10 - 24:11in here it looked great and the put it.
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24:11 - 24:14The best one with any doubt, that
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24:14 - 24:16reflects how I think the way
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24:16 - 24:20now clear about how it is talked about
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24:20 - 24:21new technologies in the media
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24:21 - 24:23is the famous case of the
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24:23 - 24:25cannibal of Rothenburg. I do not know if
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24:25 - 24:28you know it but it is a great case
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24:28 - 24:31in order to see how the
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24:31 - 24:33media talks about new
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24:33 - 24:35technologies. Barely you give them
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24:35 - 24:37a gap where a new technology
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24:37 - 24:40has participated in any part of a
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24:40 - 24:43story, more or less truculent. The case
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24:43 - 24:46of the cannibal of Rothenburg is easy
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24:46 - 24:49to explain, it has no mistery. A guy
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24:49 - 24:52wrote in a forum a sentence that said
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24:52 - 24:55"I search a good looking man that
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24:55 - 24:58wants to be eaten"
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24:58 - 25:00In his languague I guess it sounded better.
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25:00 - 25:03That is what was written, a good looking
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25:03 - 25:05man that wanted to be eaten, and an
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25:05 - 25:07engineer that was reading the forum
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25:07 - 25:09read it and said "Look I am
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25:09 - 25:14interested" and contacted the cannibal
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25:14 - 25:17of Rothenburg who eated him.
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25:17 - 25:19There is no last moment turnaround, it is
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25:19 - 25:23not Shyamalan dear friends. In here it ended how it
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25:23 - 25:25looked like. He ate him.
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25:25 - 25:27Then they took the cannibal
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25:27 - 25:29of Rothenburg to jail.
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25:29 - 25:31What has this to do with new
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25:31 - 25:32technologies? The guy ate him
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25:32 - 25:35analogically on the table. At
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25:35 - 25:39first, nothing. but it was announced in a forum
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25:39 - 25:42If it had been announced in "Segunda Mano" or
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25:42 - 25:46I don't know through door-to-door,
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25:46 - 25:48surely the way to get in
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25:48 - 25:50touch with the engineer would have
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25:50 - 25:53matter less than the fact that at the
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25:53 - 25:55end, a guy ate another one like if
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25:55 - 25:57it was a chocolate bun. However in here
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25:57 - 26:00the fact that they got in touch in a forum,
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26:00 - 26:02they had the issue linked to
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26:02 - 26:05new technologies somehow and
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26:05 - 26:07sooner there were headlines that
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26:07 - 26:10alert us about the problem of
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26:10 - 26:13online cannibals, I do not know
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26:13 - 26:15how you can be an online cannibal or
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26:15 - 26:19online vegan. The point is that the
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26:19 - 26:22headline was "Suspicion that there is a global
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26:22 - 26:25net of cannibals" and it said "The
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26:25 - 26:28police is finfing out little by little
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26:28 - 26:29the world of online cannibals and what
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26:29 - 26:33they find each time is
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26:33 - 26:35more and more dreadful".
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26:35 - 26:36All this infromation they
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26:36 - 26:38took it from the cannibal of
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26:38 - 26:40Rothenburg himself. It seemed that he was
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26:40 - 26:42someone reliable, he could eat whatever but
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26:42 - 26:44he has no reason to lie. And with
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26:44 - 26:47that, they took out all
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26:47 - 26:49that news.
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26:49 - 26:52Then all this campaign,
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26:52 - 26:55this vision of the new technologies,
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26:55 - 26:58this way to solve the conflict that
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26:58 - 26:59comes with the arrival of new
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26:59 - 27:01technologies and basically the fact that
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27:01 - 27:03anyone can have a printer at
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27:03 - 27:05home and do what before only
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27:05 - 27:07could be done by editors with expensive
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27:07 - 27:09machines and now in the first world
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27:09 - 27:11this can be made at home of
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27:11 - 27:14practically anyone, this
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27:14 - 27:15conflict that is generated because
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27:15 - 27:17befaure, intellectual property laws
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27:17 - 27:20only affected a small portion
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27:20 - 27:23of the population who were the
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27:23 - 27:24editors, the ones that could
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27:24 - 27:26pay for the copy machine.
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27:26 - 27:28It resulted that with the arrive of new
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27:28 - 27:30technologies and the broadening of the
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27:30 - 27:31number of persons that are able to copy.
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27:31 - 27:33It results that this laws were
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27:33 - 27:36restricting habits that are no
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27:36 - 27:38longer of five or six editors but
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27:38 - 27:43now we are talking about the entire
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27:43 - 27:44population.
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27:44 - 27:47We are talking about common and daily
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27:47 - 27:49habit in the society and the way to
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27:49 - 27:53solve it is basically
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27:53 - 27:55the two ways that existed in the time
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27:55 - 27:57of the cassette.
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27:57 - 28:01The legislator saw something and said,
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28:01 - 28:05lets see the copy of the cassette
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28:05 - 28:06tape is ilegal according to the law of
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28:06 - 28:09intellectual property, but the legislator
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28:09 - 28:10reached a conclusion and said, it
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28:10 - 28:13is ilegal but it is unstopable and what
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28:13 - 28:19is the point of forbiding somehing that not just
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28:19 - 28:20I cannot stop but I cannot stop
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28:20 - 28:23even a one percent.
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28:23 - 28:25It is not like the example usually
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28:25 - 28:29given of the guy that skips the trafic light.
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28:29 - 28:30Everyone has skipped the traffic light
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28:30 - 28:32sometime. But with this laws
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28:32 - 28:34we can restrict it to a pont where
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28:34 - 28:36we could coexist and
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28:36 - 28:38then it exists the possibility of
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28:38 - 28:40infraction but we can maintain it
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28:40 - 28:43at a level more or less tolerable of infractions.
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28:43 - 28:45However the issue about the
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28:45 - 28:47cassette tapes is
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28:47 - 28:48that the legislator realised something that
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28:48 - 28:50he cannot reduce it even a bit
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28:50 - 28:53because it happened in the privacy
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28:53 - 28:55of home and in the moment it
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28:55 - 28:56happens in the privacy of home, the
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28:56 - 28:58legislator asked himself what could he do if
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28:58 - 29:01technology allows in a clear way
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29:01 - 29:06something that is impossible to forbid and what
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29:06 - 29:07he said was: "Well lets
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29:07 - 29:09introduce what is called a
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29:09 - 29:10copyright so it could be legal and
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29:10 - 29:12lets invented an alternative of
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29:12 - 29:16remuneration so those damages that
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29:16 - 29:17we cannot stop, at least
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29:17 - 29:20decrease it as far as
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29:20 - 29:23possible and we can
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29:23 - 29:26remunerate the holders of the
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29:26 - 29:28intellectual property rights
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29:28 - 29:30and that is when the famosu canon was born.
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29:30 - 29:32Canon that worked without
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29:32 - 29:35anybody protesting when it was applied to
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29:35 - 29:37the cassette tape because the truth is that
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29:37 - 29:39with the exception of some groups like
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29:39 - 29:40journalists, it is used basically
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29:40 - 29:42for that.
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29:42 - 29:44Then it jumped to the CDs and it was then when
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29:44 - 29:46the CDs, the blank page of
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29:46 - 29:48twenty-first century.
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29:48 - 29:50It has a canon and then people
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29:50 - 29:52protested because they were putting a
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29:52 - 29:53tax to something that could
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29:53 - 29:56contain almost anything and it was then when
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29:56 - 29:59this remunaration system failed.
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29:59 - 30:03About the activities that exist
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30:03 - 30:05nowadays and with the legislation we
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30:05 - 30:08have, what the industry decided,
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30:08 - 30:11later we will speak about what the legislator decided,
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30:11 - 30:13and what they decided as a result of the
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30:13 - 30:15legal sentence I am about to comment,
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30:15 - 30:16it was to iniciate legal actions.
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30:16 - 30:21In a time there was a controversy in Spain
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30:21 - 30:24about if downloading music or
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30:24 - 30:25movies on Internet without any authorization
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30:25 - 30:29was a crime or not and if it was legal or not.
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30:29 - 30:32This are two concepts that seem
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30:32 - 30:33the same but they are not, crime
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30:33 - 30:36is what is punished in the penal code
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30:36 - 30:38whereas it may not be a crime but
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30:38 - 30:40ilegal, for example a civil
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30:40 - 30:43ilegality or skipping the traffic light.
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30:43 - 30:45This are not crimes but an ilegality.
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30:45 - 30:50So the debate that was in
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30:50 - 30:532005 was if the penal code,
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30:53 - 30:55the one
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30:55 - 30:58that right now has been
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30:58 - 31:00reformed, later we will comment it,
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31:00 - 31:01if it considered a crime the
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31:01 - 31:03downloading from Internet.
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31:03 - 31:04The content industry argued
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31:04 - 31:05that downloads from internet were
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31:05 - 31:07clearly a crime, they based it in
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31:07 - 31:10the article 270 of the penal
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31:10 - 31:11code. This article required
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31:11 - 31:16a behavior to be with a determined
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31:16 - 31:19subjective aim, it asks two requisits.
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31:19 - 31:21Firstly, someone to copy without
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31:21 - 31:23authorization, this is called the
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31:23 - 31:25objective element, and secondly that this
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31:25 - 31:27activity of copying without authorization
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31:27 - 31:29also to be made for profit.
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31:29 - 31:32This two requisits have to
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31:32 - 31:34occur in the same action for it
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31:34 - 31:37to be of the penal type and so it becomes
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31:37 - 31:39a crime against intellectual
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31:39 - 31:41property. What happened was that
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31:41 - 31:43downloads on Internet, what we
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31:43 - 31:45maintained was that it occured the
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31:45 - 31:48objective element, there was a copy without
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31:48 - 31:50authorization but there was no subjective
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31:50 - 31:53element because the copy was not made
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31:53 - 31:54for profit as it was a
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31:54 - 31:58free exchange, what the industry
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31:58 - 32:01sutained was theat this profit aim
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32:01 - 32:03had to be interpreted in an expansive
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32:03 - 32:05form, it had to be interpreted as
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32:05 - 32:08any benefit, profit or advantage,
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32:08 - 32:10that something gives ou in a way that if you
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32:10 - 32:12download a disc, this gives you some kind
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32:12 - 32:14of benefit, an advantage that it is
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32:14 - 32:17not money but in a certain way
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32:17 - 32:19it benefits you or even the possibility of
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32:19 - 32:22saving the money of buying that disc
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32:22 - 32:24if you had decided to buy it and
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32:24 - 32:26this way with this
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32:26 - 32:28definition, lets say ambiguous, of
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32:28 - 32:30what is a profit aim, they said
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32:30 - 32:32that downloads form Internet had
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32:32 - 32:34profit aim.
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32:34 - 32:37There was as I said a big discussion that
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32:37 - 32:39was intended to be solved in practice with
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32:39 - 32:41the intervention of Antonio Guisasola
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32:41 - 32:43who went to the media
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32:43 - 32:44as president of
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32:44 - 32:46Promusicae saying he was going to do something
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32:46 - 32:49That was to denounce a spaniard so that
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32:49 - 32:52judges had to determined if that
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32:52 - 32:55was a crime or not. What they were
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32:55 - 32:57going to do, he said,
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32:57 - 32:59was to denounce someone so
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32:59 - 33:04the judges finally pronounce so the
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33:04 - 33:06debate is over.
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33:06 - 33:08Well, they did it, I do not know if
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33:08 - 33:10following this reasoning but the case is
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33:10 - 33:13that an ordinary man from Santander
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33:13 - 33:15won the lottery and he
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33:15 - 33:18was denounce so that a judge
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33:18 - 33:21dictaminated if that was a crime or not.
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33:21 - 33:24This ws resoluted in the sentence from the
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33:24 - 33:25penal court number three of
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33:25 - 33:28Santander, fourteenth of July, 2006 and what
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33:28 - 33:31was said by the signer judge about
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33:31 - 33:33the resolution was that the accused
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33:33 - 33:37was absolved. the judge said that the
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33:37 - 33:40objective element existed,
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33:40 - 33:41the man downloaded without
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33:41 - 33:43authorization but the subjective element did not,
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33:43 - 33:46he did not have a profit aim and
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33:46 - 33:49understanding profit aim, said the judge,
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33:49 - 33:52in a restrictive way and not expansive
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33:52 - 33:54as it was pretended. So as
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33:54 - 33:56it occurs one elment but not the
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33:56 - 33:59other, the penal type declines and the
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33:59 - 34:02action is not punishable. It is not an
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34:02 - 34:04action that fits in the penal type
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34:04 - 34:06of the 270 art. So, the at the time
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34:06 - 34:10president of Sony was asked in
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34:10 - 34:12"La Gaceta de los Negocios" what he thought about
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34:12 - 34:16this resolution and he analysed
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34:16 - 34:20the resolution calmed and the most
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34:20 - 34:25legally funded posible and he said that someone can be
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34:25 - 34:29judge and an idiot and he encouraged the
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34:29 - 34:31signer judge of the resolution to
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34:31 - 34:34study a bit more and after that
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34:34 - 34:36they appealed the sentence but they got
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34:36 - 34:39to a Provinc Court that again
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34:39 - 34:41did not study anything and confirmed the
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34:41 - 34:43sentence of the first court
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34:43 - 34:46Absolving the accused. So they said:
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34:46 - 34:49'Ok, we failed against
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34:49 - 34:51the users,
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34:51 - 34:54lets focus on the next actor',
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34:54 - 34:56the next actor were the link
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34:56 - 34:59pages, it meant, they tried against
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34:59 - 35:02users, they tried through the penal
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35:02 - 35:03way, they tried also through the civil
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35:03 - 35:05way but they couldn't
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35:05 - 35:06find out the name from the
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35:06 - 35:08IP numbers.
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35:08 - 35:10The law of data preservation prevents
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35:10 - 35:12that in a process that is not penal to
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35:12 - 35:14revealed this data, so through the civil
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35:14 - 35:16way they reached nothing also and
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35:16 - 35:18they said: 'Lets focus on
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35:18 - 35:20this link pages, this pages
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35:20 - 35:23that without containing the contents,
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35:23 - 35:25it means without having the
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35:25 - 35:26files
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35:26 - 35:28what they made was to put a link to
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35:28 - 35:31the file that was being spread in the
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35:31 - 35:35p2p nets by the users or
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35:35 - 35:38link to a server like Megaupload or
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35:38 - 35:42like Rapidshare. This began as a
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35:42 - 35:45big operation, also media,
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35:45 - 35:48in the year 2006, as you can see coetaneous to
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35:48 - 35:50the sentence that absolved this man
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35:50 - 35:53form Snatander and what happened was that
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35:53 - 35:56they detained fifteen administrators of
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35:56 - 35:59link web pages. The communication
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35:59 - 36:00media with this issue
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36:00 - 36:01got mad and they
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36:01 - 36:05published the new of this mere
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36:05 - 36:06detentions as if they were guilty
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36:06 - 36:10veredicts in itself. It is something that
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36:10 - 36:12shocked me a lot because you have
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36:12 - 36:15seen in the news that whenever
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36:15 - 36:17they talk about any question that
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36:17 - 36:19is related to a legal matter, the word
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36:19 - 36:21suspected or alledgley appear
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36:21 - 36:23as something normal
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36:23 - 36:26In fact sometimes it appears
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36:26 - 36:29excesively
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36:29 - 36:31I found a case where a
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36:31 - 36:34newspaper talke about a stockbreeder that
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36:34 - 36:35was found dead
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36:35 - 36:39half-buried and the new said "The
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36:39 - 36:42alledge deceased" and alledge it is not
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36:42 - 36:45a hal-buried corpse and also it said
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36:45 - 36:49that to the alledge deceased they were going too make
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36:49 - 36:51the ahtopsy. Check before if you have
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36:51 - 36:56any doubt but the paranoia for a possible
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36:56 - 36:58complaint for slander makes the
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36:58 - 37:00word alledge to be used more than
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37:00 - 37:04often. In the case of the raid
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37:04 - 37:07of the year 2006 against link pages
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37:07 - 37:08the word alledge disappeared
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37:08 - 37:11absolutely, I remember a
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37:11 - 37:14newspaper's headline that could
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37:14 - 37:19not be clearer and said in the
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37:19 - 37:21headline, it was a leading article tha furthermor
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37:21 - 37:23was published in other newspapers
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37:23 - 37:26of the same group, it said "Pirates on the net"
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37:26 - 37:29and said that the fifteen detainees were part
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37:29 - 37:33of the biggest european clandestine
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37:33 - 37:36organization of the peer to peer nets and it said
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37:36 - 37:38this was also a gigantic
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37:38 - 37:41cybernetic bootleg peddler and that it was needed
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37:41 - 37:43to unmask this perverted vision
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37:43 - 37:45of the net in order to avoid it to convert
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37:45 - 37:47in an authentic sanctuary of
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37:47 - 37:49cybercriminals. All this, the day
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37:49 - 37:51after to the detentions. It have not
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37:51 - 37:52passed even 24 hours.
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37:52 - 37:56Neither have passed 24 hours
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37:56 - 37:58when ACAM, the association of
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37:58 - 37:59composers and song writers
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37:59 - 38:02published in their web page a headline
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38:02 - 38:05saying "Demonstrated that exchange peer to peer
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38:05 - 38:07is a crime" and beneath appeared a
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38:07 - 38:08list of web pages that
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38:08 - 38:14had a header that said
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38:14 - 38:16"Web pages
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38:16 - 38:17from which there was delinquency" It did not say
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38:17 - 38:19denounced web pages or pages with denounced
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38:19 - 38:21administrators. But it said pages from
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38:21 - 38:24which was delinquency as a fact, the judge
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38:24 - 38:27did not even knowhe had a
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38:27 - 38:28proceeding yet, but for ACAM
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38:28 - 38:31the sentence was already clear
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38:31 - 38:33I guess that with the calm that
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38:33 - 38:35gave them the clause of exemption for any
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38:35 - 38:36responsability
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38:36 - 38:38that they had those years in ACAM
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38:38 - 38:39They had a little clause, a
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38:39 - 38:41usual disclaimer of web pages
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38:41 - 38:43but in here it goes further and
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38:43 - 38:47said 'ACAM is not responsible
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38:47 - 38:49for the articles and any
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38:49 - 38:50opinion of third persons published in this
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38:50 - 38:53web page nor of the articles or
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38:53 - 38:56self opinions. This means they were
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38:56 - 38:57completely armoured legally, the
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38:57 - 39:03case is that what ocurred with this cyber
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39:03 - 39:05santuarium of criminals. In the
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39:05 - 39:09first of the cases I had the luck
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39:09 - 39:11to participate in it with my
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39:11 - 39:13colleague Javier de la Cueva, the case
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39:13 - 39:15Sharemula was the first one to be
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39:15 - 39:17solved, in this case the
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39:17 - 39:19complainents that first denounced were the
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39:19 - 39:22producers of the documentaries of
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39:22 - 39:24Feliz Rodriguez de la Fuente, they made
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39:24 - 39:26a complaint and the police, that had
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39:26 - 39:28lot of sensitivity with this issues, sent
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39:28 - 39:30a letter to the affected by
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39:30 - 39:34what was done from Sharemula
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39:34 - 39:36and quickly the personal
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39:36 - 39:39prosecution was formed by the SGAE,
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39:39 - 39:42Microsof, Promusicae, Egeda, Columbia, Walt
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39:42 - 39:44Disney, Twenty Century Fox, Warner,
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39:44 - 39:50Lauren Film, Manga Film, Universal, Sony
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39:50 - 39:52Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Cristiano Ronaldo, well
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39:52 - 39:56they were all in there and the case is that the
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39:56 - 39:58first the personal prosecutors
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39:58 - 40:01made was to ask for precautionary
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40:01 - 40:03measures, unprecedented part, unprecedented part
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40:03 - 40:05meant without hearing the part tha was affected
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40:05 - 40:07by the precautionary measures they were
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40:07 - 40:11asking for, in concrete they ask the precautionary
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40:11 - 40:13measur of shutting down the web page.
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40:13 - 40:15The judge that saw the issue in the Instruction
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40:15 - 40:17Court here in Madrid said:
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40:17 - 40:19"Well, I will to listen the petition of precautionary
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40:19 - 40:21measures but
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40:21 - 40:24I want to do it with the other part in the
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40:24 - 40:27room to hear it because it is the first
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40:27 - 40:29case not that I found in this
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40:29 - 40:31court but that it is going to be judged in
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40:31 - 40:33Spain and so I seem
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40:33 - 40:35interesting to know what has to say
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40:35 - 40:37the other part"
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40:37 - 40:38So there was a hearing for precautionary
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40:38 - 40:41measures. And what the personal
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40:41 - 40:44prosecution sustained in the hearing
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40:45 - 40:47was that in Sharemula there
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40:47 - 40:50was being commited a crime because in
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40:50 - 40:53this case the profit aim was
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40:53 - 40:54evident.
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40:54 - 40:56If in the case against the users there
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40:56 - 40:59was no profit aim, in Sharemula there was
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40:59 - 41:02profit aim because there were advertisement
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41:02 - 41:04banners. This advertising gave them some
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41:04 - 41:06money, lots or few, it willbe seen during
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41:06 - 41:08the process, but there was money and due to
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41:08 - 41:10that economic profit so there is the
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41:10 - 41:13subjective element that was needed with
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41:13 - 41:15the users, so in this case there
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41:15 - 41:17was a crime, sustained the personal
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41:17 - 41:18prosecution.
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41:18 - 41:22What we said was that we did not
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41:22 - 41:24discuss the subjective element of
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41:24 - 41:26profit aim,
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41:26 - 41:29in here what was missed was the other
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41:29 - 41:31element, the ojective element, it means,
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41:31 - 41:34the copy of intellectual property because
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41:34 - 41:36who did it were the users of
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41:36 - 41:38the peer to peer nets not the ones
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41:38 - 41:41that link. The linkers do not copy
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41:41 - 41:42absolutely nothing, what the do
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41:42 - 41:46is to create a group of alphanumerical
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41:46 - 41:48caracters that tells where is
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41:48 - 41:50a content without hosting it, with no copy nor
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41:50 - 41:52dissemination. The one copying and disseminating
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41:52 - 41:54is the user and the decree that
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41:54 - 42:01desestimated the precautionary measures
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42:01 - 42:03said that effectively the web will not
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42:03 - 42:05be closed simply because what the page
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42:05 - 42:07did in there, did not fitted in the
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42:07 - 42:09penal type of 270 because even having
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42:09 - 42:11profit aim, it was not made with an
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42:11 - 42:14infraction, what Shamerula did not
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42:14 - 42:17do was to copy files just
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42:17 - 42:20because they did not have them and
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42:20 - 42:22after the decree, another was dictated
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42:22 - 42:27that closed the debate, it was the decree
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42:27 - 42:28declaring the free stay in the Sharemula case
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42:28 - 42:31that what made was to say that
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42:31 - 42:33as there was no crime, ther will be
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42:33 - 42:36no trial and it was stored,
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42:36 - 42:37this equals to an acquital
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42:37 - 42:39and it was a hard blow in
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42:39 - 42:41the waterline of that
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42:41 - 42:47raid of the year 2006 because what
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42:47 - 42:50directly made, not just going to a
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42:50 - 42:53trial and be judged and deel the dock
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42:53 - 42:55punishment but that operation the
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42:55 - 42:57most important in Europe, the media
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42:57 - 42:59said, the ones who pronounced
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42:59 - 43:01before 24 hours
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43:01 - 43:03It was not even necessary go to trial
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43:03 - 43:05because simply the action that
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43:05 - 43:08was complaint was not a crime.
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43:08 - 43:10We took the resolution, some
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43:10 - 43:12press talk about it and what
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43:12 - 43:14the personal prosecution did was to appeal it
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43:14 - 43:17evidently and in the appealing they introduced
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43:17 - 43:22a courious element and questionable that was
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43:22 - 43:26to say that in Sharemula no
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43:26 - 43:28crime was commited but they
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43:28 - 43:30were helping somehow to
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43:30 - 43:31commit it so they understood that
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43:31 - 43:36in a different degree of responsability
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43:36 - 43:38it might be participating, cooperating
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43:38 - 43:42inciting a crime, Sharemula was
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43:42 - 43:45cooperating in the assignment of a crime
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43:45 - 43:47commited by a third part that does communicate
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43:47 - 43:50publicly, they said. We argued
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43:50 - 43:52that neither because simply there
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43:52 - 43:54cannot be cooperation to a crime if
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43:54 - 43:56what is made by a thrid is not a crime.
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43:56 - 43:58Sharemula effectively helped
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43:58 - 44:01users to exchange intellectual
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44:01 - 44:02works but as the action of
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44:02 - 44:04the users was not criminal,
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44:04 - 44:06as we saw with the man from Santander,
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44:06 - 44:08there cannot be a crime because in order
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44:08 - 44:10to exist needed cooperation with a
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44:10 - 44:11crime, the cooperation must be with
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44:11 - 44:14a criminal action and results that
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44:14 - 44:17the users action was not.
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44:17 - 44:20For that reason there did not exist
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44:20 - 44:23any degree of penal responsability and
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44:23 - 44:25we were looking for a
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44:25 - 44:28resolution. It is not a sentence, is a decree
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44:28 - 44:30that was going to make with
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44:30 - 44:34domino effecto what was about to happen
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44:34 - 44:36after and I remember perfectly that no
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44:36 - 44:38journalist called from "El Mundo"
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44:38 - 44:40anywhere and after we had
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44:40 - 44:44been showing off on Internet
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44:44 - 44:46for about three or four months, telling
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44:46 - 44:48we had won those guys and
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44:48 - 44:51we were lawyers that had no
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44:51 - 44:54presentation card yet,
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44:54 - 44:56we got phoned from "El Mundo" and said
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44:56 - 44:57"You have to declared something
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44:57 - 44:59about the issue that the Province
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44:59 - 45:00Court has said that you have lost
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45:00 - 45:03the Sharemula case" of course I have
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45:03 - 45:05not received absolutely nothing about
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45:05 - 45:08that and asked how was that possible if we have not
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45:08 - 45:11been notified and they said that it just happened and
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45:11 - 45:12ask for any declaration and I said "I do not know,
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45:12 - 45:15say I have whined, I have cried or something
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45:15 - 45:17like that because I need to read the
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45:17 - 45:18resolution before", they said that I
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45:18 - 45:20would receive it. So I called Javier de
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45:20 - 45:22la Cueva who is from Madrid and
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45:22 - 45:24told him "Javier go to the Province
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45:24 - 45:26Court because they say there is
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45:26 - 45:28a resolution and look what has been said
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45:28 - 45:31because it seems to be negative"
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45:31 - 45:34and Javier, who is the most
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45:34 - 45:38calmed guy in Madrid and valium is
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45:38 - 45:41made out from his blood,
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45:41 - 45:45said "Well, I will go tomorrow"
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45:45 - 45:47and I said "What is that of tomorrow? We have been
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45:47 - 45:49showing off on Internet for over
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45:49 - 45:51three months and this has ended with our
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45:51 - 45:54career, it started with and now ends" and he said
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45:54 - 45:56"I am going tomorrow" so I had to wait
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45:56 - 45:57to the next day in Seville,
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45:57 - 46:00I woke up soon, I gave him time,
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46:00 - 46:02I called him at half past ten in the morning and
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46:02 - 46:04asked him "Javier, Have you gone?"
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46:04 - 46:11"Where?" (he answered) "To the Province Court,
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46:11 - 46:13have you gone?" and the man that is one of the best
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46:13 - 46:15lawyers I know and that calm
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46:15 - 46:18is without any doubt one
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46:18 - 46:20of his virtues says
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46:20 - 46:22"Yes, yes I have gone
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46:22 - 46:24I saw in the resolution that we won"
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46:24 - 46:28I replied "what what? and you do not call me, it
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46:28 - 46:30did not seem something important to you" he answered
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46:30 - 46:33"Yes we won" I told him "But the man from
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46:33 - 46:34"El Mundo" said that in the
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46:34 - 46:36resolution we lost" and he said
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46:36 - 46:38"Well he got right a 50%, not bad"
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46:38 - 46:42The thing is that effectively Sharemula
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46:42 - 46:44ended that way and after that there was
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46:44 - 46:47a flood of resolutions in the same sense.
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46:47 - 46:51This as expected
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46:51 - 46:53did not felt well in the
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46:53 - 46:56industry and later we will see quickly
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46:56 - 46:59what was their reaction, after losing
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46:59 - 47:01in the penal way and in the civil way
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47:01 - 47:03because the also tried against the
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47:03 - 47:05link pages, they focused on the
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47:05 - 47:08developer of the tool
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47:08 - 47:12precisely in Pablo Soto, who
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47:12 - 47:14is now city councilman
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47:14 - 47:17here in Madrid, he is a informatic
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47:17 - 47:19developer that what had made was
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47:19 - 47:21to create a tool peer to peer that
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47:21 - 47:23allowed the exchange of files,
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47:23 - 47:24of files that may have copyright
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47:24 - 47:26what may occur
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47:26 - 47:28in the most of the times and
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47:28 - 47:30not in other occasion. This depends on
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47:30 - 47:33the user, and they demanded him, he was demanded
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47:33 - 47:36by Promusica and the four major
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47:36 - 47:38record companies, the biggest record
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47:38 - 47:41companies all over the world and they asked him
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47:41 - 47:44thirteen millon sixty thousand euros as
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47:44 - 47:46compensation for violating
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47:46 - 47:48intellectual property
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47:48 - 47:49by developing a tool that
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47:49 - 47:51have been used by thirds
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47:51 - 47:54to violate intellectual property of the
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47:54 - 47:56plaintiff
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47:56 - 48:02this case had a great volume
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48:02 - 48:04of paper but in reality the question
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48:04 - 48:06that was made was simple
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48:06 - 48:08the question asked to the judge under
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48:08 - 48:10the nine qualifieds that accompanied the
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48:10 - 48:11complaint was simply 'Does the
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48:11 - 48:14Intellectual Property Law forbids the
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48:14 - 48:18informatic developers to create a
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48:18 - 48:20tool that allows a third
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48:20 - 48:24to violate intellectual property?'
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48:24 - 48:26A law like that
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48:26 - 48:29would have make Gutember not to invent the
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48:29 - 48:30printing press
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48:30 - 48:32The question is in our law, this is
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48:32 - 48:35disposable and the answer was not in
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48:35 - 48:38the Intellectual Property Law
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48:38 - 48:40The only forbidden thing was the
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48:40 - 48:43creation of a software that allows
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48:43 - 48:46to unprotect works with a
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48:46 - 48:49specific anticopy system, a
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48:49 - 48:53DRM or whatever, but it did not forbid
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48:53 - 48:55the creation of any other
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48:55 - 48:56technology, not even when this
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48:56 - 48:58technology may be used by thirds to
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48:58 - 49:01violate intellectual property rights.
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49:01 - 49:05The trial was extremely long, it ended
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49:05 - 49:09animously with Pablo Soto during that
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49:09 - 49:13time, It was a big dock punishment
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49:13 - 49:16with the sword of Damocles of
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49:16 - 49:18those 13 millions 60 thousand euros upon his
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49:18 - 49:22head and when the trial occured,
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49:22 - 49:24so you can see how does it moves this
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49:24 - 49:25question.
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49:25 - 49:27I remember perfectly it was a trial
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49:27 - 49:28dividied in three days of five
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49:28 - 49:33hours each day, for three non consecutive
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49:33 - 49:35days, there were two consecutive days and
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49:35 - 49:37in the third day there was one between the
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49:37 - 49:42secon daay. What happened was that
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49:42 - 49:46by casualty from the U.S. it was
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49:46 - 49:49sended the message that Spain was one
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49:49 - 49:52of the biggest pirates countries that existed
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49:52 - 49:55in the world, right in the secon day of the
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49:55 - 49:59Soto trial, the spanish media sum
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49:59 - 50:02the calculation they had in front of them
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50:02 - 50:05of two plus two and they got four, what
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50:05 - 50:08they made was to say that Spain was the
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50:08 - 50:10biggest pirate country in the world according to
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50:10 - 50:14the U.S. and today Pablo Soto is judged for
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50:14 - 50:15creating a peer to peer net and they told
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50:15 - 50:17that in the same new and the judge who
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50:17 - 50:20reads newspapers, reads this
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50:20 - 50:22question, in the trial it has its
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50:22 - 50:24weight because judges in the end are
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50:24 - 50:26humans too, with their subjetivities
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50:26 - 50:28etc., etc.
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50:28 - 50:31The point is the judge who was an old
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50:31 - 50:34man, I was in this case also with
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50:34 - 50:36Javier de la Cueva and my colleague
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50:36 - 50:38Jose Ignacio Aguilar from Seville and I told to
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50:38 - 50:41Javier "Watch how the judge
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50:41 - 50:43with the old he is, he is going to
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50:43 - 50:46retire and he is not going to dictate
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50:46 - 50:47any sentence and we have to
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50:47 - 50:51repeat the trial" and Javier, the calmest
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50:51 - 50:53man on earth, said "Nah, he is
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50:53 - 50:54not retiring and if the
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50:54 - 50:56trial is repeaed I will go
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50:56 - 50:59gladly" It is a delight, for me, if something
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50:59 - 51:00really happened and Javier de la Cueva
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51:00 - 51:03is your lawyer and sayid "Well look that
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51:03 - 51:06this guy retires, I saw him really
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51:06 - 51:07old, he is weak" and him "He
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51:07 - 51:09is not retiring and if he retires we
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51:09 - 51:11do this again and we doi it again as good,
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51:11 - 51:15nothing is going to happened". He retired, he did and
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51:15 - 51:19the law of civil indictment says the
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51:19 - 51:23sentence has to be done by the judge
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51:23 - 51:25that was in the hearing and the judge
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51:25 - 51:27retired so there is a new one
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51:27 - 51:30and we had to repeat the hearing
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51:30 - 51:32no part wanted to
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51:32 - 51:35repeat it because it was a waste of money
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51:35 - 51:38and a tremendous effort, what we
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51:38 - 51:42did was go to the court and in front of
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51:42 - 51:43the new judge, we signed an
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51:43 - 51:45act, all the lawyers, saying that
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51:45 - 51:47we all agreed on not to repeat the hearing
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51:47 - 51:49as it had been
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51:49 - 51:51recorden on video, as law oblies to, so
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51:51 - 51:53the new judge watch the hearing in the video and
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51:53 - 51:55illustrate himseld with the partial
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51:55 - 51:58verdict and dictate sentence with what
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51:58 - 52:00it is in the video with no need
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52:00 - 52:03to repeat it in fron of him, he could
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52:03 - 52:04watch it on video and all the
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52:04 - 52:06lawyers of all sides signed the
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52:06 - 52:09act telling that we all agreed.
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52:09 - 52:12The case is that the new judge dictated
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52:12 - 52:14sentence rejecting the demand against
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52:14 - 52:18Pablo Soto and saying that technology
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52:18 - 52:21peer to peer is not forbidden by the
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52:21 - 52:22law of intellectual property, that itt
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52:22 - 52:24only forbids a specific technology and
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52:24 - 52:27in this case it was obvious it was not,
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52:27 - 52:28there was also a debate about the
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52:28 - 52:30unloyal competence that was also
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52:30 - 52:32rejected, it was appealed.
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52:32 - 52:35It was appealed to the Province
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52:35 - 52:38Court of Madrid and surprisingly
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52:38 - 52:40it was the first allegation, the first
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52:40 - 52:43one of the new lawyer office
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52:43 - 52:45because the hired a new one was
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52:45 - 52:48to ask the nulity of the sentence because
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52:48 - 52:51it was dictated but not
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52:51 - 52:54by the judge who witness the hearing and
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52:54 - 52:57of course we have signed an act
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52:57 - 52:59where we said we agreed
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52:59 - 53:00with that, all lawyers and
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53:00 - 53:02said the contrary part surely
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53:02 - 53:05the demanded would told us that
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53:05 - 53:08we signed an act saying we agreed
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53:08 - 53:12with the new judge being
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53:12 - 53:15the one dictating the sentence and
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53:15 - 53:17look you took it from my mouth, I was going
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53:17 - 53:19to say it.
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53:19 - 53:22Just that, but we thought he was going
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53:22 - 53:24to study the case much better and then
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53:24 - 53:26they asked for nulity of the sentence
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53:26 - 53:28because the new judge did not studied
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53:28 - 53:30the bulky decrees enough
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53:30 - 53:32to give the the reason, it was a complete
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53:32 - 53:35win win.
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53:35 - 53:37We did not repeat the hearing if the
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53:37 - 53:40sentence was negative, we as for nulity and
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53:40 - 53:43if its positive, everything is wonderful.
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53:43 - 53:45The point is that this wen to the Province
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53:45 - 53:46Court of Madrid, rejected nulity
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53:46 - 53:49claiming that nulity cannot be an
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53:49 - 53:51ace up yur sleeve to use it
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53:51 - 53:53when it suits you and rejected
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53:53 - 53:58also the subsidiary request of
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53:58 - 53:59revoking the sentence making the
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53:59 - 54:02sentence of Pablo Soto to be resolutive.
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54:02 - 54:04This is the judge-made law panorama that
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54:04 - 54:07has been in Spain against the
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54:07 - 54:09users, against link pages,
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54:09 - 54:10against developers of
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54:10 - 54:12technologies that may eventually
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54:12 - 54:14be used to violate intellectual
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54:14 - 54:17property rights. As you can see all
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54:17 - 54:21the panorama is negative for the industry,
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54:21 - 54:24but this last just a bit, because it is then
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54:24 - 54:27when enters the legislative reform and the
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54:27 - 54:29legislative reform for me that I have been
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54:29 - 54:35in some of the cases that had to
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54:35 - 54:38be with it, it lacks putting the
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54:38 - 54:42name, meaning it is clear how it is cover
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54:42 - 54:45a specific hole for a specific case
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54:45 - 54:47that los a specific part.
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54:47 - 54:51The Law Sinde,
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54:51 - 54:55that provision, which is actually
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54:55 - 54:56a series of reforms in the Intellectual
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54:56 - 54:58Property Law, and the Information
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54:58 - 55:00Society Service Act, was simply to
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55:00 - 55:03change the arbitrators of the conflict,
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55:03 - 55:05what it did is that what before
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55:05 - 55:10the judges ruled in civil courts,
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55:10 - 55:11we will also be able to do so
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55:11 - 55:13through administrative channels,
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55:13 - 55:15open an administrative route for the industry,
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55:15 - 55:18to go directly to the Ministry of Culture,
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55:18 - 55:21and to be the Ministry of Culture to decide,
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55:21 - 55:23if this website,
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55:23 - 55:25As the links pages infringes or not
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55:25 - 55:27the intellectual property,
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55:27 - 55:29that is what the Sinde law did,
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55:29 - 55:31did not change the rules of the game,
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55:31 - 55:32but if it changed the referee,
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55:32 - 55:34in fact what happened when
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55:34 - 55:35changing the referee,
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55:35 - 55:36is that the Sinde commission
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55:36 - 55:38began to dictate judgments,
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55:38 - 55:40which were contrary to those pronounced
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55:40 - 55:43by the judges only a few months before,
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55:43 - 55:45and said just the opposite,
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55:45 - 55:46that what the judges said,
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55:46 - 55:48interpreting identical rules,
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55:48 - 55:50and besides changing the referee,
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55:50 - 55:53soon after, a year, or a year and a half later
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55:53 - 55:55changed the rules of the game,
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55:55 - 55:57reformed the Intellectual Property Law,
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55:57 - 55:59and reformed the Criminal Code,
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55:59 - 56:01and this reform
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56:01 - 56:02you will now understand perfectly,
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56:02 - 56:05without the need for great praise,
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56:05 - 56:06because we have seen how
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56:06 - 56:08your journey judicial,
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56:08 - 56:11and you are going to fit each of the reforms,
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56:11 - 56:13in your specific case
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56:13 - 56:16what they do with the Penal Code is,
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56:16 - 56:20they maintain article 270, which says:
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56:20 - 56:24public communication and profit motive,
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56:24 - 56:27and introduce you a new paragraph that says:
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56:27 - 56:32The same penalty as in the previous paragraph
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56:32 - 56:35will impose on those who maintain ordered
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56:35 - 56:37and classified listings of links to works
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56:37 - 56:42that are being disseminated without authorization,
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56:42 - 56:49when it has a direct or indirect profit,
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56:49 - 56:50to enter advertising
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56:50 - 56:52obviously in this Panorama,
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56:52 - 56:56this paragraph is expressly dedicated
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56:56 - 56:59to the pages of links.
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56:59 - 57:02As for the Soto case, what happened?
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57:02 - 57:03What happened was that
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57:03 - 57:07the cooperation to the infringement,
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57:07 - 57:08that term that was coined in 1999
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57:08 - 57:10United States in the with Napster,
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57:10 - 57:11did not exist in Spain,
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57:11 - 57:13and so that it existed,
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57:13 - 57:16included in article 138 which already existed,
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57:16 - 57:18adding a new paragraph stating that:
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57:18 - 57:22it will be responsible for the infringement,
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57:22 - 57:24not infringing,
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57:24 - 57:26but responsible for the infringement
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57:26 - 57:30of a third party, that in some way cooperated,
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57:30 - 57:34induces or promotes the infringement,
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57:34 - 57:36as is a field wide enough
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57:36 - 57:39to fill legal uncertainty
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57:39 - 57:44with people like Pablo Soto,
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57:44 - 57:48or like any of you who are software developers,
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57:48 - 57:50that is to say what he did,
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57:50 - 57:53or does because this article 138 is in force,
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57:53 - 57:56is that People like Pablo Soto,
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57:56 - 57:58who develop a technology
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57:58 - 58:02that can somehow be used for lawful purposes
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58:02 - 58:03and also to infringe intellectual property,
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58:03 - 58:06are inhibited from that development,
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58:06 - 58:08because the article 138
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58:08 - 58:10introduced a new paragraph,
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58:10 - 58:13ethereal enough to frighten To anyone,
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58:13 - 58:15because it speaks of terms
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58:15 - 58:18that are more specific to criminal law,
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58:18 - 58:21cooperate to induce or promote
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58:21 - 58:23the infringement of a third party.
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58:23 - 58:25With this article in hand
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58:25 - 58:27if Pablo Soto in his day,
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58:27 - 58:29had come to tell me,
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58:29 - 58:32I plan to develop a peer to peer tool,
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58:32 - 58:35I would have told him to be very careful,
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58:35 - 58:37because the article 138
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58:37 - 58:39introduced, is basically a
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58:39 - 58:41translated version in Spanish,
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58:41 - 58:44what the US courts said
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58:44 - 58:46when they coined the term
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58:46 - 58:48"cooperation to infringement"
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58:48 - 58:49to end Napster, which is just
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58:49 - 58:51the term that was not in Spain,
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58:51 - 58:55and which saved Pablo Soto,
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58:55 - 58:56but was not saved because
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58:56 - 58:58there was a gap in the Law,
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58:58 - 59:00nor because there was a gap now filled,
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59:00 - 59:02but because what was,
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59:02 - 59:04was a conscious decision of the legislator,
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59:04 - 59:06who is clear that software developers
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59:06 - 59:08are also creators of intellectual works,
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59:08 - 59:11and that need protection,
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59:11 - 59:13not the opposite, not a wall,
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59:13 - 59:15and what was not a gap,
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59:15 - 59:17there was a decision of the legislator
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59:17 - 59:20that said: "If we restrict
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59:20 - 59:23further software developers,
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59:23 - 59:27create cracks to unprotect
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59:27 - 59:29a certain work with anti copy systems,
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59:29 - 59:31it turns out To these creators
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59:31 - 59:33of intellectual works,
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59:33 - 59:36we are putting a lock
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59:36 - 59:40that will keep them from creating,
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59:40 - 59:41for fear that their technology
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59:41 - 59:43will be used for illicit purposes.
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59:43 - 59:44In this struggle between
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59:44 - 59:46creators of intellectual works,
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59:46 - 59:48has won by defeat, the industry
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59:48 - 59:52of non-functional works,
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59:52 - 59:56compared to that of functional works,
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59:56 - 59:58and that is the legislative landscape
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59:58 - 60:01with which we find now,
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60:01 - 60:03despite all the exchange
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60:03 - 60:06of works Intellectuals continue their course,
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60:06 - 60:09whether in peer-to-peer networks,
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60:09 - 60:11because as you know
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60:11 - 60:13there are peer to peer networks,
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60:13 - 60:15which are created with free software,
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60:15 - 60:16with exposed guts,
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60:16 - 60:19and that do not have a specific head,
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60:19 - 60:21but thousands of heads,
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60:21 - 60:22that collaboratively create their code,
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60:22 - 60:24and that are simply impossible to stop,
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60:24 - 60:27and if they could stop,
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60:27 - 60:29we know that you can not,
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60:29 - 60:32therefore a Pop Corn Time is born,
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60:32 - 60:34or is born any other way
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60:34 - 60:36of exchanging intellectual works,
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60:36 - 60:38which can not be stopped ,
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60:38 - 60:40this is known in the Ministry of Culture,
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60:40 - 60:43he fully knew when he was
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60:43 - 60:44Minister of Culture Wert,
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60:44 - 60:47he said that to be able to be
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60:47 - 60:50updated to new technologies,
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60:50 - 60:52to be able to stop this, so that
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60:52 - 60:55the law is abreast of new technologies,
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60:55 - 60:57that it was necessary to do
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60:57 - 60:58an Intellectual Property Law
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60:58 - 61:00every three months,
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61:00 - 61:07I think it fails even in that idea,
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61:07 - 61:10since it is said that
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61:10 - 61:13the Intellectual Property Law
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61:13 - 61:15will be changed in a specific sense,
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61:15 - 61:18until the law is effectively publishes
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61:18 - 61:19and enters into force,
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61:19 - 61:21passes the "vacatio legis",
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61:21 - 61:23have already come different ways of exchanging,
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61:23 - 61:29have jumped that new barrier,
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61:29 - 61:31that was very well with the case of Sinde.
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61:31 - 61:35When they took out the Sinde Law,
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61:35 - 61:38I was called to speak at
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61:38 - 61:40the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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61:40 - 61:42and I thought I would talk to
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61:42 - 61:44the filmmakers there,
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61:44 - 61:45precisely two things,
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61:45 - 61:48one that I thought the goal they were
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61:48 - 61:50getting was with the hand,
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61:50 - 61:53because the judge simply did not change
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61:53 - 61:56the rules of the game,
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61:56 - 61:58which were still legal,
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61:58 - 62:00what they did was break
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62:00 - 62:01the separation of powers, and say,
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62:01 - 62:03we opened an administrative route,
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62:03 - 62:05and we changed the referees of the conflict,
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62:05 - 62:08it seemed that they were looking for a short cut,
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62:08 - 62:10it seemed that the goal was
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62:10 - 62:12trying to insert with the hand,
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62:12 - 62:15but also did not enter the goal,
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62:15 - 62:18so it also does not score,
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62:18 - 62:21try to make a goal with the hand,
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62:21 - 62:24but neither They got it.
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62:24 - 62:29I tried to make a kind of experiment,
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62:29 - 62:30in the 20 minutes I was there,
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62:30 - 62:31with two other colleagues,
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62:31 - 62:33Nacho Vigalondo was at the table
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62:33 - 62:36and another person, in the 20, 30 minutes
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62:36 - 62:37I had to speak,
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62:37 - 62:39precisely the Sinde law,
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62:39 - 62:42What I did was an experiment
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62:42 - 62:43called Sinde table,
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62:43 - 62:45I put a hashtag on twitter
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62:45 - 62:47with the name Sinde table,
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62:47 - 62:48and I did not want to say
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62:48 - 62:50anything to not ruin the experiment,
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62:50 - 62:52to the tweeters who were there,
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62:52 - 62:55I just said with the hashtag table Sinde,
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62:55 - 62:57to he hour that begins my paper,
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62:57 - 63:01I will ask something to talk about
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63:01 - 63:06the inability to stop the pages link
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63:06 - 63:10with the law Sinde, because the Sinde law,
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63:10 - 63:11boasted of being able to close
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63:11 - 63:14a page of links in four months,
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63:14 - 63:16then took much more ,
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63:16 - 63:18but they said four months,
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63:18 - 63:23well, what we did was, open a page in
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63:23 - 63:26Google Docs to create a database,
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63:26 - 63:29page of links, only had a limitation,
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63:29 - 63:31they could start to send the links,
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63:31 - 63:33from the moment in that I began to speak,
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63:33 - 63:37and ended when I finished speaking,
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63:37 - 63:39to see how long it takes to make
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63:39 - 63:44a page of links to intellectual works,
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63:44 - 63:47which are elsewhere,
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63:47 - 63:49in the time it took to speak,
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63:49 - 63:52about the ineffectiveness of a Law,
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63:52 - 63:54after half an hour at the end
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63:54 - 63:55of the conference, I told the attendees,
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63:55 - 63:59I did an experiment that I did not tell you,
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63:59 - 64:01when I started to speak this hashtag,
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64:01 - 64:05and this is what has happened,
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64:05 - 64:06they created twenty link pages,
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64:06 - 64:10they had they open several pages in Google Docs,
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64:10 - 64:13because they made a database so extensive,
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64:13 - 64:15it did not fit and fell continuously,
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64:15 - 64:17so they opened several mirrors,
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64:17 - 64:19and created 20 pages of links,
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64:19 - 64:22in the time it takes a conference on effectiveness,
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64:22 - 64:24Or ineffectiveness of the Sinde law,
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64:24 - 64:26which was to close them in four months,
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64:26 - 64:28simply explained to the people there,
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64:28 - 64:31is that what you want to close
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64:31 - 64:32is the index of the encyclopedia,
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64:32 - 64:34but the encyclopedia still exists,
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64:34 - 64:36and there are very easy ways
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64:36 - 64:38to create an index in a matter of minutes.
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64:38 - 64:41Of course the director of the festival
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64:41 - 64:44was very angry, and I have not gone to
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64:44 - 64:45the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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64:45 - 64:47I have not been invited anymore,
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64:47 - 64:48for whatever reason.
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64:48 - 64:52Rebordinos, who is the director
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64:52 - 64:54of the San Sebastian Film Festival,
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64:54 - 64:57asked him the same day in "El País",
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64:57 - 64:58what did the experiment look like,
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64:58 - 65:00because the experiment had a lot of movement,
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65:00 - 65:02in fact it was a worldwide trending topic,
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65:02 - 65:06only surpassed by the hashtag of the word vagina
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65:06 - 65:12of but in short, was a very worthy second position,
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65:12 - 65:17and there was a lot of movement with that question,
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65:17 - 65:20the media called all parties asking what happened at
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65:20 - 65:22the San Sebastian Film Festival?,
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65:22 - 65:25and called Rebordinos was very angry and said:
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65:25 - 65:27this gentleman has not been called
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65:27 - 65:28here to mount this,
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65:28 - 65:31he has been called to talk about trans-media film,
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65:31 - 65:33I was surprised because
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65:33 - 65:36I do not know what trans-media cinema is,
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65:36 - 65:39everyone knows what I'm talking about, anyway,
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65:39 - 65:41I went there only instead of talking,
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65:41 - 65:42I tried to prove what I was saying,
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65:42 - 65:46and that seemed to go a little too far,
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65:46 - 65:48it's allowed to give your opinion but not to show it.
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65:48 - 65:52Then he became very angry,
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65:52 - 65:56and when asked two or three weeks later,
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65:56 - 65:58the San Sebastian film festival,
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65:58 - 66:00what had been the best and
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66:00 - 66:02worst moment of the festival?
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66:02 - 66:04said: The best had been talking to
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66:04 - 66:06Glenn Close of cooking recipes,
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66:06 - 66:09who can compete with that,
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66:09 - 66:11and what the worst,
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66:11 - 66:13although you can not speak
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66:13 - 66:14of one that is the worst,
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66:14 - 66:16but that I was the worst moment of
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66:16 - 66:20the Film Festival San Sebastian,
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66:20 - 66:22but it was quite funny,
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66:22 - 66:25and in definite accounts although this would close
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66:25 - 66:26the doors of the cinema,
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66:26 - 66:28something was demonstrated,
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66:28 - 66:30and put on the mat,
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66:30 - 66:31something that seems interesting,
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66:31 - 66:35what is done when a reality is impossible to stop?.
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66:35 - 66:38There is an American economist
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66:38 - 66:42who said that this download of the internet
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66:42 - 66:44was like the Law of Economic Gravity,
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66:44 - 66:47he was trying to say that
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66:47 - 66:50if you took a pen and released it, the pen fell,
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66:50 - 66:54and you can be against that happening,
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66:54 - 66:57And that you think it morally
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66:57 - 67:01very reprehensible that that happens,
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67:01 - 67:03and make thousands of laws that prohibit it,
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67:03 - 67:06and after all those campaigns
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67:06 - 67:08saying how bad it seems to you,
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67:08 - 67:10after making thousands of
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67:10 - 67:11laws that prohibit the fall of the pen,
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67:11 - 67:13someone will release a ball pen
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67:13 - 67:15somewhere and it will fall again,
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67:15 - 67:17the guy said that the download of the internet
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67:17 - 67:19was like the Law of Gravity,
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67:19 - 67:21and that there was little to do,
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67:21 - 67:24that what had to be done was to find an alternative,
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67:24 - 67:28so that the Creators, being a social benefit,
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67:28 - 67:30continue to create, and have an incentive to create,
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67:30 - 67:33and that could only be achieved,
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67:33 - 67:35with changes in business models,
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67:35 - 67:38and changes also in the remuneration systems
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67:38 - 67:40of creators, the guy said,
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67:40 - 67:44That in the days where the peer to peer networks
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67:44 - 67:46was the most attended,
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67:46 - 67:48said that the content industry,
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67:48 - 67:51this was said long before "Spotify",
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67:51 - 67:53long before "Netflix", or long before Filmin,
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67:53 - 67:55"Said that the content industry had
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67:55 - 67:57something that put them in a
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67:57 - 67:59very special competitive advantage,
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67:59 - 68:01ahead of the "peer to peer" networks,
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68:01 - 68:03those old "peer to peer" networks,
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68:03 - 68:06said: look at the content industry,
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68:06 - 68:09they have first the content before anyone else,
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68:09 - 68:16and can launch a peer to peer network
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68:16 - 68:18system remunerated for example with advertising,
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68:18 - 68:21or with subscription systems,
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68:21 - 68:24such as after Netflix was born,
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68:24 - 68:28and many think that gratuitousness is
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68:28 - 68:31the only reason it does that a mass of
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68:31 - 68:37potential clients will go from one place to another,
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68:37 - 68:39but it turns out not, that we can present
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68:39 - 68:42several systems, one that is free,
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68:42 - 68:45others "freemiun", other "premium",
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68:45 - 68:48and we can get those guys to get us have gone,
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68:48 - 68:50instead of chasing them with a stick to go back
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68:50 - 68:52to our stores,
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68:52 - 68:57to attract them with an alternative proposal,
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68:57 - 69:00to seduce them in some way,
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69:00 - 69:02said that peer to peer networks have some
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69:02 - 69:04negative issues, has the positive that is the price,
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69:04 - 69:08which is the fact that you can,
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69:08 - 69:10download it without paying for what you download,
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69:10 - 69:11but it has some negatives,
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69:11 - 69:13which a professional service like ours could remove,
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69:13 - 69:15have queue waiting,
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69:15 - 69:17we are talking about the times of "Emule"
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69:17 - 69:21has the possibility to infect you with viruses,
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69:21 - 69:23you have the possibility of fake you,
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69:23 - 69:27the famous "fake" as a classic example is:
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69:27 - 69:31you download a classic movie,
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69:31 - 69:36and in the end is a porn movie, or vice versa,
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69:36 - 69:39you can also , And that is almost worse,
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69:39 - 69:44that you download a porn movie, and be a classic,
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69:44 - 69:47anyway, the fact is that it is not what
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69:47 - 69:48you were looking for, or that you download
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69:48 - 69:52"Lies and Fat", and "Lies and Fat"
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69:52 - 69:55In short that some of this happens,
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69:55 - 69:56and said we can go here,
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69:56 - 70:00and then came out "Spotify",
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70:00 - 70:03and then came out "Netflix",
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70:03 - 70:05and it has been proven,
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70:05 - 70:07that if there is something that downloads
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70:07 - 70:11they are not the proper names of Sinde, Wert, Lasalle,
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70:11 - 70:14but rather are their own names similar to
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70:14 - 70:16"Netflix", "Filmim", "Spotify",
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70:16 - 70:19and it was also said that in France,
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70:19 - 70:20a system was proposed in the past,
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70:20 - 70:23basically following the thought,
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70:23 - 70:25that what is taken advantage of by all,
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70:25 - 70:27must be held by all,
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70:27 - 70:30and spoke of the optional general license,
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70:30 - 70:32an amount you pay is a form of tax,
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70:32 - 70:36which differs from the famous "Canon" to CDs,
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70:36 - 70:38in the fact of the word Optional,
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70:38 - 70:41we speak of general license as an option,
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70:41 - 70:42that is to say it was paid by
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70:42 - 70:44those who actually used it,
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70:44 - 70:46or would use the network for this,
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70:46 - 70:48and paid it not to the "Sgae"
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70:48 - 70:49to distribute it among its partners,
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70:49 - 70:51nor to the other seven entities Of management,
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70:51 - 70:53but paid it to the state that distributed
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70:53 - 70:56it among the authors,
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70:56 - 70:59who identified themselves with certain watermarks,
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70:59 - 71:01in a system similar to that proposed to
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71:01 - 71:03Richard Stallman and William Fisher,
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71:03 - 71:05both were cited in the book "Free Culture"
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71:05 - 71:08by Lawrence Lessig,
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71:08 - 71:10when we talked about this impasse,
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71:10 - 71:12where it seemed that we had arrived,
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71:12 - 71:15and which had been advanced Lessig said,
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71:15 - 71:19to the conflict several years in advance,
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71:19 - 71:22had seen as a visionary that this was not
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71:22 - 71:23going to reach no part,
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71:23 - 71:27long before we saw that the alley was dead-end,
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71:27 - 71:29and already proposed an exit in these terms,
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71:29 - 71:31and in France was not only rejected,
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71:31 - 71:34but what they did was to impose the Hadopi law,
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71:34 - 71:37which was to cut the connection
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71:37 - 71:40of those who connected to peer to peer networks.
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71:40 - 71:42In the United States,
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71:42 - 71:45they proposed not only to cut the connection
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71:45 - 71:47of those who connect to peer to peer networks,
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71:47 - 71:49but to destroy by remote control,
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71:49 - 71:52the computer from which they connect
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71:52 - 71:54to peer to peer networks.
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71:54 - 71:57US Senator Orrin Hatch who was also a composer
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71:57 - 72:01and had the poor head lost, and rejected it,
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72:01 - 72:03but although they rejected this
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72:03 - 72:05in the United States,
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72:05 - 72:08the level of punishment to try to stop
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72:08 - 72:11what was unstoppable rose so much,
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72:11 - 72:13that the fine that can fall
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72:13 - 72:14for downloading two songs,
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72:14 - 72:17is greater than the maximum fine
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72:17 - 72:22that can fall to a doctor,
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72:22 - 72:24who mistakenly amputates a good leg,
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72:24 - 72:26why? because
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72:26 - 72:28precisely because we spoke at the beginning,
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72:28 - 72:30because they found that neither
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72:30 - 72:31with the demands a Brianna LaHara,
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72:31 - 72:33nor with the demands of Gertrude Walton,
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72:33 - 72:35were able to stop this reality,
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72:35 - 72:36and they continued raising the level of punishment,
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72:36 - 72:38until reaching these bizarre limits,
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72:38 - 72:40and then came out "Netflix",
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72:40 - 72:42and then came out "Spotify",
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72:42 - 72:44because it seems that in some Countries
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72:44 - 72:46is already coming to the conclusion
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72:46 - 72:48that no matter how much we change the laws,
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72:48 - 72:50somewhere there will be someone
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72:50 - 72:51who will pick up the pen,
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72:51 - 72:54it will jump and it will fall.
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72:54 - 72:56This is all friends thanks.
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72:57 - 73:03Hecho por : MIGUEL POMBOZA GUADALUPE
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