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- Hey, it's Rowan, and
today I'm here with Calum.
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Calum is, as he's just
said for me to say to you,
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a gay YouTube boy, and today,
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we're basically going to be
reacting to queerbaiting.
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The first clip is from
show called Teen Wolf.
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We're gonna watch a couple
of quite infamous scenes.
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- Okay.
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(upbeat techno music)
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- I thought you liked girls.
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- I do like girls.
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Do you?
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- Absolutely.
- Great.
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- Do you also like boys?
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- Absolutely.
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Do you?
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♪ I said I love you ♪
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- So then, 'cause I thought
the queerbaiting there
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was on the girl.
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- No, so she was confirmed
to have a girlfriend
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in one of the earlier
episodes of the season,
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and then made out with
him and then basically
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came out as sort of
bisexual there quite openly.
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And then he has that realisation moment.
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- And it leaves, is it
leaving it open-ended
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whether he likes boys or not?
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- Mm-hmm, but so here's
the interesting thing.
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In the rest of that scene,
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he sort of also seems to
be having a realisation
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about the case that
they're solving, whatever,
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but they've placed that
realisation moment--
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- There, deliberately.
- Immediately after.
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So they have plausible deniability.
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- That genuinely, I've
never ever seen that before,
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and that genuinely really annoys me,
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because they're doing that thing
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where it makes it so they get to appeal
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to the gay audience, but they
also don't get to annoy--
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- Or like alienate.
- The homophobic people,
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like alienate people.
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- It's such, and the funny
thing about Teen Wolf
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is that Teen Wolf has had
a couple of gay characters
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and they use it all
the time in their press
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to kind of talk about and hype up
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how LGBT friendly they are.
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Ooh, it's one of the
classic queerbaiting shows.
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So there's actually another scene.
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- I'm a virgin, okay?
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And you know what that means?
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It means that my lack of sexual experience
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is now literally a threat to my life.
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I need to have sex, like right now.
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Someone needs to have sex with me today.
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Like someone needs to sex me right now.
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- All right, I'll do it.
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- Whoa!
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What?
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- How 'bout my place at 9:00?
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Plan to stay the night?
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I like to cuddle.
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(soft music)
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- That was so sweet.
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Are you kidding?
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- Yes, I'm kidding.
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- You know, you don't
toy with a guy's emotions
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like that, Danny.
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It's not attractive, all right?
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- [Tyler] You know who else is a virgin?
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- So Danny is a character
who's gay in the show.
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- But the other one, again.
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- But this one of the
main characters, Stiles,
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who apparently is straight,
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or who has not, there's never
been anything confirming
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he's anything other than straight.
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- So why do they keep
teasing us in this way?
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Why do they keep giving us
these little breadcrumbs?
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That, it's not even fun.
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That's just, it's like
borderline offensive.
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- Mm-hmm, yep.
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- Or just flat out offensive.
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- Yeah, I'm like, I'm
not even arguing that,
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because this is, it's the kind of scene
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that's such fanservice, but they'll,
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I think there are a lot of
shows that argue that it's like,
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well, don't you wanna see
strong male friendships
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that's healthy and heterosexual?
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Don't you think that
men deserve friendships?
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Why are you having to romanticise it?
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And I think it's such a
weird gaslighting thing
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to do to someone--
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- Absolutely.
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- Like have scenes like
this, and then be like,
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why can't men just be comfortable
enough in their sexuality,
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and I'm like, comfortable
enough in their sexuality
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to want to sleep with other men?
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There's one more clip I
wanna show you of this.
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So this was a promotional
piece that came out.
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- Okay.
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- So this is a video
that Teen Wolf produced.
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- So it's not part of the show--
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- Not part of the show.
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This is a video that was
produced by Teen Wolf,
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in order to encourage
people to vote for them.
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- Oh no, I know I'm
gonna hate this already.
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(water rippling)
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- Tyler.
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- Yeah?
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- Wake up.
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- No.
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- We're on a ship.
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Pun intended.
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- Whoa.
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Hey, man.
- Hey buddy.
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- Oh, hey, guys.
- Oh, hey, guys.
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- Whoa, there's like a whole
bunch of people right there.
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- Ah, didn't see the audience.
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We should--
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- Oh, we were supposed
to tell them something.
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- We wanna ask if you guys could vote
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for Teen Wolf for the Teen Choice Awards.
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- For Choice Summer Show, right?
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- Best Choice Summer Show, yep.
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Can you please do it, 'cause we need you.
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- Please?
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- Ah, that's all that needs to be said.
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- We'll take more naps.
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I'm still tired.
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- Let's go back to sleep.
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- Like they're literally queerbaiting
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and not even hiding it.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- They're going, hey,
we want votes from you,
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so we're gonna pretend that we're gay,
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but we're never gonna actually confirm it.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- We're just gonna tease you with it.
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- Yep.
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- And that, and I get it,
like they're trying to be cute
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and they're trying to do it,
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and I'm sure that some
of the people behind this
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weren't doing it with malicious intent
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or maybe didn't even
realise it was problematic,
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but just give us proper representation,
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and don't, like we're not,
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representation is so
important to LGBT+ people,
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and I feel like using as it as something
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to dangle in front of us--
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- Yeah.
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- As that, ooh, maybe this is a thing.
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- Maybe it'll happen.
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- But then never actually confirm it,
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it's frustrating beyond belief.
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- I think, yeah.
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- And a little bit of teasing is okay,
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like if you're planning to
make an LGBT+ character,
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and maybe you want to build up to that,
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that's different but I
mean, how many seasons
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has this show been going?
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- Like six or seven now.
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- And they've never confirmed this?
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- No, I mean, it's finished now.
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It's finished, the show's finished,
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and it's never been confirmed.
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The next one is for a
show called Riverdale.
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This is something that
someone sent me on Twitter.
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- Oh, no, I love Riverdale.
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- And I just watched this and I was like,
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what the fuck did I just watch?
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- No.
- Okay.
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- [Girls] And fight the fight.
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- Whoo, go Bulldogs!
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- Hmm.
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Ladies, where's the heat?
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Where's the sizzle?
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- Well, you haven't
seen our big finish yet.
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Don't freak out, just trust me.
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(upbeat music)
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- Okay, so this, watching this now
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this really really annoys
me and it was the music
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that really, because the way,
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they almost romanticised that moment.
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- And then swells up,
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and it's the kind of music
that you would expect
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for a first kiss from
a teen drama like this,
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if it was a straight couple
kissing for the first time
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in an actual relationship.
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- But this wasn't that.
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This was just two girls,
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and both of these characters are straight,
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and they never come out
as gay or otherwise.
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- It's just 'cause, and I think, as well,
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the two girls versus the two boys thing,
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I don't, I think it's unlikely
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that they would have two boys kissing
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in the same way.
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- Yes.
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- Because I think that
the way that lesbians
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are sexualized in a way
that's for people to view,
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and so it's really
interesting how queerbaiting,
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depending on the gender
of the people involved
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can have these really different
reasonings behind them,
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so this was kind of titillation
for straight audiences.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- As well as for lesbians
who wanted to see
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some kind of representation,
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and this was in the first episode, right?
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So this is like, in the first seasons.
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So this is queerbaiting
from the very start,
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getting them hooked on the first episode.
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- I feel like, as well,
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I feel like 99% of lesbian representation
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is always sexualization of lesbian women
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for a straight audience,
like you were saying.
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- Okay, so this next one is from a show,
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forgive me if I'm pronouncing this wrong,
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Rizzoli & Isles, which
is one I only ever see
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because of how much people talk
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about how queerbaited the two leads are.
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- Okay, yeah.
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- And this is just one clip.
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People sent me so many
clips from this show
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to demonstrate this.
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This is just one of them.
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- Listen, I don't wanna stand in the way
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of a great romance, okay?
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- What do you mean?
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- You and Tommy.
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I mean, clearly, opposites attract.
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- It's an evolutionary strategy
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to ensure healthy reproduction.
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- Okay, why do you gotta
go straight to breeding?
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All right, with my brother.
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- Look, I like Tommy a lot.
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But I love you, and I
hate it when you hate me,
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so I don't wanna do anything
to compromise our friendship.
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Good, 'cause I hate it
when I have to hate you.
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(laughing)
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- Sip it slowly.
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- That's the gayest shit
I've ever seen in my life.
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- That is, 'cause like,
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what is a bit upsetting is
that as that scene was opening,
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and unfolding, I could feel
my heart almost swelling,
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but to know that presumably,
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these characters aren't lesbians
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and they never become
lesbians is really sad,
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and again, like with one of the
other clips that we watched,
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the music, it's this romantic music
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that comes in to cue romance.
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- Yeah, in your head.
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- And that's not an accident.
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That's not--
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- And saying like, if that had been a guy,
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and he'd have been like, I
don't wanna get in the way
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of your relationship with my brother,
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and then they'd have been like,
I like him, but I love you,
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that would've been like all the people,
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it would've been like,
ah, this is the start
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of the new ship on the show.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- This is them getting together
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by the end of the season.
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There's also an episode of this which is,
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that someone sent me,
as well, where one of,
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basically, they have to
go undercover as lesbians.
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- Oh, for God's sake.
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- And I think one of the difficult things
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with queerbaiting is we don't
know where the buck stops.
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We don't know who is actually responsible,
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so it's very easy to be annoyed
at the writers, I think,
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because you're like,
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well, you're the one who's writing this.
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- Yeah.
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- But I can see that there are some shows,
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like Korrasami in Legend
of Korra was a kids' show,
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and so the writers were explicitly told,
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you can't include this relationship
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in there specifically, but
they did as much as they could
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within the script to show--
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- To include that.
- What was happening,
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and then, at the end, they basically walk
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into the sunset together, hand in hand.
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- So it's suggested.
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- So it's suggested as much they could do,
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and so it's, there's
no point in being angry
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with the writers then because the writers
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were doing everything they could,
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but we only know that because they were,
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have been so open since the show ended
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about exactly what they were
and weren't allowed to do,
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whereas most of these things
that are still on the air,
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the writers can't come out and be like,
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the producers are dickheads.
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- Yes, absolutely.
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- Because it's like, they want a job.
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But similarly, there
might be actors that say
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that they refuse to do
it if it get brought up,
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they could have agents of actors that say,
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my client doesn't wanna
take that kind of role.
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There's so many options that it could be
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and we don't know and for each one,
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it could be an individual situation,
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and I think that's what's
the most frustrating.
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- We don't know whose responsibility--
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- Queer people don't know who to go to
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to be like, look, here's our case,
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here's the case we wanna put forward,
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and this is why it's problematic,
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but it's the reason why I have a policy
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where I don't think
representation is ever a spoiler.
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So I will fucking spoil something.
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If something is representation,
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I will tell you that it
has queer representation.
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I don't care if someone's like,
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oh, but I wanted it to be a surprise.
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I'm like, no, I want queer people
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to actually go and see this and they won't
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if they think it's straight
or offensive in some way.
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- Yeah, a person being
gay shouldn't be a big,
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scandalous, shocker moment.
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It shouldn't be a twist.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- It's never a twist
that somebody's straight.
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Why should it be a twist
that somebody's gay?
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- Exactly.
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- I don't, yeah, I don't buy that at all.
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- Okay, so this is from
a TV show called Skam.
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Apparently, this is the
Italian version of it.
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- So these characters that
we're about to watch aren't gay.
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- Yeah, and this is the Italian one of it.
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- Right, okay.
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(upbeat music)
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(speaking foreign language)
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(group cheering)
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- Ah, that was a definitely,
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that was a definitely--
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- Even though I knew it was queerbaiting,
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I even was pulled in by it,
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and genuinely thought
they were gonna kiss.
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- Mm.
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- But I feel like, there was like,
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not only was it her leaning in,
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being like that, but also,
her reaction was like,
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oh, it was like an I want this--
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- Yeah, I want this, an uncertainty.
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That, to me, was like the
scene that you would have
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in a coming out narrative.
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- There's so much going on there.
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Again, you could say, oh,
it's just an accident.
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It wasn't intentional,
but the camera angles
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and everything else, it's
all foreshadowing romance.
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- Yeah, if you had a guy,
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again, I think it's like, if
you just have to put a guy
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in that position.
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If you had a guy who came to a girl,
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who leant over, stroked
her hair and then was like,
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oh, you had a bit of makeup on your face.
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Like that's such a
classic cliche of, like--
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- Heterosexual romance moment,
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or like, oh, there's an
eyelash on your cheek,
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like that kind of thing.
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- Bloody straight people.
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- So this is from a TV
show called Supergirl.
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- Okay.
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- Have you seen Supergirl before?
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- No.
- Okay.
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- It's a good article.
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You flatter me.
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- I only wrote the truth.
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I'm learning to keep digging
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even when all the evidence points one way.
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There's always another side.
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- Even when it's hard to find.
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- Especially when it's hard to find.
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(soft music)
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So my office is overflowing my flowers.
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- Really?
- Yeah. (laughing)
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You didn't have to do that.
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- Yeah, I did.
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Supergirl told me that
it was you who sent her.
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I don't know how to thank you.
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- Well, that's what friends are for.
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- Yeah, never had friends like you before.
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Come to think of it, I've
never had a family like you.
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No one's ever stood up for me like that.
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- Now you have someone that
will stand up for you, always.
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- Well, Supergirl may have saved me,
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but Kara Danvers, you are my hero.
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- Aww.
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- Thank you.
- Anytime.
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Bye.
- Bye.
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(soft melodic music)
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- The flowers, oh my God.
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You can't.
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You can't, like there's just so much stuff
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that would just be so romantic--
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- Yeah.
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- If it was a heterosexual couple,
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like such a coding thing,
and I think with this show,
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I'm guessing based on the
fact that she's a Luther
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that the whole thing is
that you're not meant
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to maybe trust her or not trust her,
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so maybe the look, it's the
same with the Teen Wolf thing,
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where it's like, oh,
his look of realisation
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is actually about the case.
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It's like, oh, maybe her lingering look--
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- Is actually--
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- Is actually, ooh, she's
lingering 'cause she's evil
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and she's looking at her and stuff,
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but I'm like, you don't be
like, oh, you're my hero,
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oh, I've never had a
friend like you before.
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There's all of these
interesting little coded words.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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- That are super queer coding,
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so the idea of oh, you're
different, you're special,
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I've never had a friend like you before,
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we're special friends,
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it's all that kind of coding
that's the same as like,
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oh, yes, my spinster aunt
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who has special friend for 80 years.
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- Yeah, and I feel like it's almost like
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the kind of language that we
grow to hear and get used to,
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when we're growing up gay,
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all that language we do use
before that we come out,
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and all that kind of language
that we hear used around us,
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when people speak about us,
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and then suddenly, you're hearing it here,
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and it's like a deliberate undertone.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- Of being queer, and
again, I just feel like,
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watching it, I was just imagining
some young 14-year-old kid
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who's a lesbian or gay or
queer and just sitting,
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watching it and feeling like, oh my God,
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like oh my God, I'm gonna
see myself on the screen.
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- Yeah.
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- And then uh-oh, absolutely not.
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- So this was a little bit different.
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So this is a film which
has said, explicitly,
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in the press material that
it has a gay character.
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- Okay.
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- And then these are the scenes
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with that gay character in, so.
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- Oh, God, I'm gonna be
so disappointed, aren't I?
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- This is Sulu in Star Trek.
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I'm gonna get my glasses on,
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'cause I've gotta see the exact timestamp.
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So, this is clip number one.
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- [Jim] Of our extended
stay here in outer space.
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And the personal sacrifices they've made.
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We continue to search for new life--
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- That was clip number one.
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Clip number two, hang on.
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I wrote down the time code.
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- Oh, no.
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- 10:41.
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- What I hear is that the
parks here are excellent.
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(swelling music)
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- Hey.
- So glad you--
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(speech drowned out by music)
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- That was it.
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- That was, you know what?
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It makes me really sad
because even that little bit
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of a shred of a thing, I was like, ah.
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Like I'm so happy to see,
the fact that just seeing
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that little tiny moment
where it was even like,
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it was not explicit at all,
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and just like, but in the first clip,
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it shows a picture of just the daughter.
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- Yeah, it does, Calum.
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- And it's like--
- Yeah, it does.
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- If he's a gay character,
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and you wanna pop that in your press tour,
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then why is it just a
picture of the daughter?
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Why isn't it a family
picture of them together,
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or a picture of the
daughter and the husband?
-
- Yeah.
-
- And like, and when
they do have that moment,
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if you're watching that,
it could very much be like,
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oh, but, are they gay?
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Is that his friend?
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Is that the uncle?
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Is that the brother?
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- I know a lot of people who
thought it was his brother,
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and thought that the girl was
either the brother's daughter
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and so it was a niece,
or it was his daughter,
-
but it was staying with his
brother while he was away.
-
- Yeah.
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- Because otherwise, why wouldn't you
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have a picture of both
of them on your control?
-
- It's such, it's the classic example
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of doing the absolute bare minimum.
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- I picked this outright, so
I very specifically was like,
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this is the, you have to
watch now for the gay.
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But I know people who
went in like, had no.
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- I might, yeah, I feel like, yeah.
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- Definitely no one who
hadn't heard the press before
-
had any idea, and especially not,
-
so my rule for representation
is whoever the target audience
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of the film is has to be able to know
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that that's what's happening
without having heard
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anything about it outside of the film.
-
- Yeah.
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- And Star Trek is a family film.
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Like there's a film that
the whole family's meant
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to be able to come and see.
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That's what the age restriction is on it,
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and I don't think any
kids would've picked up
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on that whatsoever.
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- And the fact that, and I do feel like,
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if you hadn't been like,
okay, gays are coming,
-
Calum, look at gays coming.
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- Look at the gays.
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- Like it was literally
like, blink if you miss it,
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and there was so many ways
-
you could interpret that,
-
and the fact that we are
people who we literally work
-
in an industry where we
talk about representation
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and LGBT+ media all the time,
-
and the fact that even we could miss that.
-
- Yeah.
- Says a lot.
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Like, I feel like I've
got an eye like a hawk
-
when I'm watching a
movie, like, gays, gays,
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where are the gays, where are the gays?
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And if we can miss it then you know,
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you want a 10 year old
kid to be able to spot it.
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- I'd also like to point out the fact
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that we have just watched
previous scenes of queerbaiting
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where the shows have said
those characters aren't queer
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and they kiss, and they
sent each other flowers,
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and they have had
romantic swells of music,
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and then we have this, which
is meant to be representation,
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and we had fuck all.
- Fuck all.
-
- This is the character of
Trini, or the Yellow Power Ranger
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from the new Power Rangers movie,
-
and this was one of those
ones that got announced
-
in the news or at large that
she was a queer character,
-
and I think that people went,
thinking they were gonna get
-
either she was out or
that the movie itself
-
was gonna allow her to
have a coming out story.
-
- Yeah.
-
- And like, this is the scene.
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- Nobody ever has to get to know me,
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and my parents don't have to
worry about my relationships.
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- [Zack] Hmm.
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Boyfriend troubles?
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- Yeah, boyfriend troubles.
-
- Girlfriend troubles?
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- My family is so normal, too normal.
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They believe in labels.
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They'd like for me to dress differently,
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talk more, have the kind of
friends they want me to have.
-
- So basically, that's how the scene goes,
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so it's like--
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- That was stupid.
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That was so stupid.
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I don't know if that's just
been poorly made or what,
-
but that was so not clear.
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The way she's like,
yeah, boyfriend troubles,
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and then out of nowhere, out of the sky--
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- Mm-hmm.
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- He responds with oh,
girlfriend troubles,
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and then she doesn't confirm it!
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And then she goes on to talk really,
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in a really obscure way.
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- Generic way about my family is normal.
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- Yeah, and it's like--
- And like--
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- Speaking in riddles.
-
- And I think that, again,
this is one of those ones
-
that this is a family movie.
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So it'd be like tweenagers
would be watching this,
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and I don't think that
if they'd've seen this,
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it's like, oh, it's kind of revolutionary
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that we even get the mention
-
of possibly girlfriend
troubles in here, cool.
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But actually commit,
especially because she's given
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a straight answer to the
boyfriend troubles question,
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and especially because
this doesn't then become
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a coming out story.
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Like it's not like this is just one scene
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that eventually becomes
this coming out thing,
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and I think that, I get
that people might be like,
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oh, well, they thought
this would be the first
-
in a number of Power Rangers movies,
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and maybe she'd come out in the later one,
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but I do think that with
the context of queerbaiting,
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you can't just hint at
nothing in the first one,
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because it's just as
easy for you to be like,
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oh, that didn't test
well, so we'll just gonna,
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it's great, 'cause now for the second one,
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we can just not have that bit in there.
-
- Yeah, it's frustrating,
because they are trying
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to take a step forward
in the right direction,
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and I do have an appreciation for that,
-
but it's like, it's
just been done so badly
-
and so, they're being so safe with it.
-
- And the thing about not liking labels,
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that annoys me so much,
because there is nothing wrong
-
with someone not wanting
to label their sexuality,
-
but to do that as representation,
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and to get away with it by being like,
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oh, she doesn't like labels,
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so therefore, we don't have to--
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- So we're not gonna say it, uh-oh.
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- I'm like, just because
you don't like labels
-
doesn't mean you can't
articulate yourself.
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It doesn't mean you can't
have discussions with people,
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can't be open with people, can't,
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or even if it's a closed-off character,
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have, as part of her character arc,
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have her trust someone, her
have an actual conversation,
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'cause you can still explain in sentence,
-
so I'm confused about this,
and I kinda feel this way
-
for someone, but not for anyone else.
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I don't wanna label it
with a particular word--
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- This is how I feel, yeah.
-
- Like not liking labels
doesn't mean you just don't
-
use words ever to describe anything.
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It just means that there's
not a particular label
-
that suits you that's
like, gay, straight, bi.
-
- Yeah.
- And that's fine.
-
I do think that, as much
as possible right now,
-
with the representation we have,
-
we should be using labels,
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or at least having those
labels be discussed
-
and offered up as options,
and then it's like--
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- And then if you don't--
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- Explicitly saying what, how you feel,
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and not just being like,
are you gay, straight, bi?
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And them being like, I don't like labels,
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and saying nothing else about it.
-
- (laughing) And then moving on.
-
- 'Cause that's not how that works.
-
- Yeah, no, not at all.
-
- So you ready?
-
- I have--
-
- Here we go, the grand fucking finale,
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these two clips.
-
So we're gonna start with,
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do you want to start
with Beauty and the Beast
-
or do you want to start with
How to Train Your Dragon 2?
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- I have heard so much about
the Beauty and the Beast thing.
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- Okay, here we go.
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- That I've not seen it.
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I'm, oh, I know it's gonna make me angry.
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- Okay, right, you ready for it?
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- Yup.
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- Are you ready for it?
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♪ Song as old as rhyme ♪
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♪ Beauty and the Beast ♪
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- That was it.
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- That was it?
- That was it.
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- Wow.
-
(Rowan chuckling and clapping)
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Oh, that's the stupidest
thing I've ever seen.
-
All that hype, all that
hype about this movie
-
having a gay scene, we get what, a second?
-
- And the thing is, I get the idea
-
that it might've been like,
-
the director has a throwaway
comment in an interview
-
where he's like, oh, yeah, we
have this sort of gay moment
-
that we inserted in
there, and they're like,
-
ooh, it got blown out of
proportion by the press,
-
but I'm like, you have to
know, if you're making Disney,
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this was the only
representation of LGBT people
-
that the Disney Studio made
the entire year of 2017.
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This guy just put the report out.
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There was no other representation
-
and that was what counted
as representation.
-
- (sighing) It just, it
literally leaves me speechless.
-
That's so frustrating.
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That's so unbelievably frustrating.
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It's not even noticeable.
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Like people, what we've gotta remember
-
is when we do things like this,
when we do reaction videos
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and when we talk about things like this,
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in the context of what
we're talking about it,
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you're really looking out for it,
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and you're really studying
every single scene.
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That's not how people consume content.
-
- No.
-
- We don't listen intently
to every single thing.
-
- You don't watch every single--
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- We don't watch every little scene.
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If I was watching that, I'm pretty sure
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I wouldn't have even noticed.
-
- Especially with this song.
-
I can guarantee you if
I was listening to this
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and didn't know about it,
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I'd be fucking like belting this song.
-
(Calum laughing)
I wouldn't be like,
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looking at the screen to
be like, oh, it's a dance.
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Let's see who's dancing with each other.
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I would be like,
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♪ Beauty and the ♪
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Like really intensely, so
yeah, no, completely agreed.
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- In the bin, in the bin.
-
Do better, Disney.
-
- Yeah, this is from How
to Train Your Dragon 2.
-
- I can, wait, before you play this,
-
I can already see that the
timestamp for this video is,
-
it's four seconds.
-
So very excited for this representation.
-
- So this was also announced
previous to the film.
-
This, I think, was actually
the first film-based version
-
of this trend we're seeing,
-
where it got announced beforehand.
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This was the first one
that I was aware of.
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- This is why I never married.
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This and one other reason.
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- That's it.
-
Do you wanna see,
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I don't know if you missed that.
-
Do you want it again?
(Calum laughing)
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- This is why I never married.
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- It's why I never married.
-
- That and one other reason.
-
- That was it, that was the entire.
-
- Side eye, apparently--
-
- That was the entire thing.
-
- Apparently side eye now
counts as LGBT+ representation.
-
- This is the main character, Hiccup.
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This is his random dad's mate.
-
They are looking, in the
context of this scene,
-
they are looking at Hiccup's parents,
-
who have just reunited.
-
- Ah.
- After years and years apart.
-
And I think they're like,
-
I can't even remember what
the parents are doing,
-
if the parents are arguing
or they're being weird
-
or they're being gross or something,
-
and Gober, Goober, whatever
the fuck his name is,
-
that pioneer of LGBT representation,
-
is basically saying to him,
about them being gross,
-
this is why I never married.
-
Oh, this, and one other reason.
-
The one other reason,
apparently, being that he's gay.
-
- Because you can take,
-
you can really read that from this scene,
-
'cause he looks to the
right for one moment.
-
- This is one of those ones,
-
I think there are some of
these where you're like,
-
do you know what?
-
We might see two men
dancing and be like, oh,
-
that, we understand what gay people are,
-
and therefore, be like, oh,
dancing with a man, okay,
-
blah, blah, blah.
-
This, not even that kids
won't understand it,
-
genuinely, you didn't understand it.
-
We're here.
-
- And we watched it multiple times.
-
- Talking about it.
-
You understand the context of this.
-
I would never have known
if I hadn't have been
-
reading all the gay media that
was talking about this film.
-
I would have no idea.
-
- That is so stupid, and also,
-
can I just add one final thing to this?
-
- Mm-hmm.
-
- Is that the reason that he never married
-
is because he's gay?
-
- Yes, that is--
-
- Because that is also a great
message to send out there.
-
- Mm-hmm.
- That's just brilliant.
-
- I mean, they live in a Viking society,
-
but it's also Viking
society with dragons--
-
- So you know, could
change thing up a bit.
-
- In the movie, I remember
watching this scene,
-
and thinking, oh, this is the
first hint of what's to come.
-
- And then nothing.
-
- And then that was it,
that was the whole thing.
-
- I hate this.
-
- I hate everything we had to do tonight.
-
- This is worse than just
not having a gay character.
-
You know?
- Mm-hmm, absolutely.
-
- Like that does not count
in any way, shape or form.
-
- Mm-mm.
-
- I just, in the trash with this.
-
- In the trash with all of that.
-
- In the trash with all of it, honestly.
-
- So I'm very sorry to
have put you through that
-
extremely stressful situation
that we just had to go through
-
and watch all of that trash.
-
- I feel like I need to sit down and watch
-
a load of LGBT+ movies now.
-
- Yeah, actual representation.
-
- With actual queer people existing.
-
- They have those?
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If you wanna have a chat about it,
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have a chat in the
comments, we'll be there,
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or just on all of our social media.
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The links will be in the description.
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- Yay!
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- So until I see you next time,
-
bye!
- See ya!