1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,170 - Hey, it's Rowan, and today I'm here with Calum. 2 00:00:02,170 --> 00:00:05,450 Calum is, as he's just said for me to say to you, 3 00:00:05,450 --> 00:00:06,810 a gay YouTube boy, and today, 4 00:00:06,810 --> 00:00:09,370 we're basically going to be reacting to queerbaiting. 5 00:00:09,370 --> 00:00:11,040 The first clip is from show called Teen Wolf. 6 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:13,938 We're gonna watch a couple of quite infamous scenes. 7 00:00:13,938 --> 00:00:16,051 - Okay. 8 00:00:16,051 --> 00:00:19,218 (upbeat techno music) 9 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:22,033 - I thought you liked girls. 10 00:00:22,033 --> 00:00:23,374 - I do like girls. 11 00:00:23,374 --> 00:00:24,731 Do you? 12 00:00:24,731 --> 00:00:26,636 - Absolutely. - Great. 13 00:00:26,636 --> 00:00:27,900 - Do you also like boys? 14 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:28,983 - Absolutely. 15 00:00:30,154 --> 00:00:30,987 Do you? 16 00:00:31,878 --> 00:00:34,878 ♪ I said I love you ♪ 17 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:39,520 - So then, 'cause I thought the queerbaiting there 18 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,000 was on the girl. 19 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,370 - No, so she was confirmed to have a girlfriend 20 00:00:43,370 --> 00:00:45,660 in one of the earlier episodes of the season, 21 00:00:45,660 --> 00:00:46,970 and then made out with him and then basically 22 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:49,220 came out as sort of bisexual there quite openly. 23 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:51,230 And then he has that realisation moment. 24 00:00:51,230 --> 00:00:53,410 - And it leaves, is it leaving it open-ended 25 00:00:53,410 --> 00:00:54,860 whether he likes boys or not? 26 00:00:54,860 --> 00:00:56,610 - Mm-hmm, but so here's the interesting thing. 27 00:00:56,610 --> 00:00:57,830 In the rest of that scene, 28 00:00:57,830 --> 00:01:00,120 he sort of also seems to be having a realisation 29 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,320 about the case that they're solving, whatever, 30 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,280 but they've placed that realisation moment-- 31 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,301 - There, deliberately. - Immediately after. 32 00:01:07,301 --> 00:01:08,760 So they have plausible deniability. 33 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,480 - That genuinely, I've never ever seen that before, 34 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,360 and that genuinely really annoys me, 35 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,550 because they're doing that thing 36 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:18,360 where it makes it so they get to appeal 37 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,640 to the gay audience, but they also don't get to annoy-- 38 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,350 - Or like alienate. - The homophobic people, 39 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:24,790 like alienate people. 40 00:01:24,790 --> 00:01:26,630 - It's such, and the funny thing about Teen Wolf 41 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:28,890 is that Teen Wolf has had a couple of gay characters 42 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:32,530 and they use it all the time in their press 43 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:33,747 to kind of talk about and hype up 44 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:35,097 how LGBT friendly they are. 45 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:38,340 Ooh, it's one of the classic queerbaiting shows. 46 00:01:38,340 --> 00:01:41,360 So there's actually another scene. 47 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,600 - I'm a virgin, okay? 48 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,676 And you know what that means? 49 00:01:43,676 --> 00:01:44,670 It means that my lack of sexual experience 50 00:01:44,670 --> 00:01:46,665 is now literally a threat to my life. 51 00:01:46,665 --> 00:01:47,710 I need to have sex, like right now. 52 00:01:47,710 --> 00:01:49,630 Someone needs to have sex with me today. 53 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:51,930 Like someone needs to sex me right now. 54 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:53,000 - All right, I'll do it. 55 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,833 - Whoa! 56 00:01:54,694 --> 00:01:56,009 What? 57 00:01:56,009 --> 00:01:57,390 - How 'bout my place at 9:00? 58 00:01:57,390 --> 00:01:59,170 Plan to stay the night? 59 00:01:59,170 --> 00:02:00,020 I like to cuddle. 60 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,560 (soft music) 61 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,393 - That was so sweet. 62 00:02:03,393 --> 00:02:04,226 Are you kidding? 63 00:02:04,226 --> 00:02:05,713 - Yes, I'm kidding. 64 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:08,420 - You know, you don't toy with a guy's emotions 65 00:02:08,420 --> 00:02:09,253 like that, Danny. 66 00:02:09,253 --> 00:02:10,570 It's not attractive, all right? 67 00:02:12,602 --> 00:02:14,520 - [Tyler] You know who else is a virgin? 68 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,920 - So Danny is a character who's gay in the show. 69 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,300 - But the other one, again. 70 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:21,110 - But this one of the main characters, Stiles, 71 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:23,510 who apparently is straight, 72 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:25,490 or who has not, there's never been anything confirming 73 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:26,323 he's anything other than straight. 74 00:02:26,323 --> 00:02:28,970 - So why do they keep teasing us in this way? 75 00:02:28,970 --> 00:02:32,324 Why do they keep giving us these little breadcrumbs? 76 00:02:32,324 --> 00:02:34,090 That, it's not even fun. 77 00:02:34,090 --> 00:02:37,010 That's just, it's like borderline offensive. 78 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:37,843 - Mm-hmm, yep. 79 00:02:37,843 --> 00:02:38,830 - Or just flat out offensive. 80 00:02:38,830 --> 00:02:40,540 - Yeah, I'm like, I'm not even arguing that, 81 00:02:40,540 --> 00:02:42,270 because this is, it's the kind of scene 82 00:02:42,270 --> 00:02:44,143 that's such fanservice, but they'll, 83 00:02:45,130 --> 00:02:47,660 I think there are a lot of shows that argue that it's like, 84 00:02:47,660 --> 00:02:50,280 well, don't you wanna see strong male friendships 85 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,250 that's healthy and heterosexual? 86 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:53,870 Don't you think that men deserve friendships? 87 00:02:53,870 --> 00:02:55,070 Why are you having to romanticise it? 88 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:57,030 And I think it's such a weird gaslighting thing 89 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:58,113 to do to someone-- 90 00:02:58,113 --> 00:02:58,946 - Absolutely. 91 00:02:58,946 --> 00:02:59,890 - Like have scenes like this, and then be like, 92 00:02:59,890 --> 00:03:02,490 why can't men just be comfortable enough in their sexuality, 93 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:04,290 and I'm like, comfortable enough in their sexuality 94 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:06,004 to want to sleep with other men? 95 00:03:06,004 --> 00:03:07,040 There's one more clip I wanna show you of this. 96 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,688 So this was a promotional piece that came out. 97 00:03:11,688 --> 00:03:12,521 - Okay. 98 00:03:12,521 --> 00:03:15,426 - So this is a video that Teen Wolf produced. 99 00:03:15,426 --> 00:03:16,259 - So it's not part of the show-- 100 00:03:16,259 --> 00:03:17,092 - Not part of the show. 101 00:03:17,092 --> 00:03:20,120 This is a video that was produced by Teen Wolf, 102 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,573 in order to encourage people to vote for them. 103 00:03:21,573 --> 00:03:24,109 - Oh no, I know I'm gonna hate this already. 104 00:03:24,109 --> 00:03:26,859 (water rippling) 105 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,179 - Tyler. 106 00:03:29,179 --> 00:03:30,628 - Yeah? 107 00:03:30,628 --> 00:03:31,461 - Wake up. 108 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:33,104 - No. 109 00:03:33,104 --> 00:03:34,090 - We're on a ship. 110 00:03:34,090 --> 00:03:34,923 Pun intended. 111 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,233 - Whoa. 112 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:38,310 Hey, man. - Hey buddy. 113 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:41,090 - Oh, hey, guys. - Oh, hey, guys. 114 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:43,233 - Whoa, there's like a whole bunch of people right there. 115 00:03:43,233 --> 00:03:45,180 - Ah, didn't see the audience. 116 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:46,220 We should-- 117 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:47,510 - Oh, we were supposed to tell them something. 118 00:03:47,510 --> 00:03:49,190 - We wanna ask if you guys could vote 119 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:51,307 for Teen Wolf for the Teen Choice Awards. 120 00:03:51,307 --> 00:03:52,670 - For Choice Summer Show, right? 121 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:54,387 - Best Choice Summer Show, yep. 122 00:03:54,387 --> 00:03:56,642 Can you please do it, 'cause we need you. 123 00:03:56,642 --> 00:03:58,171 - Please? 124 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:01,700 - Ah, that's all that needs to be said. 125 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:02,957 - We'll take more naps. 126 00:04:05,366 --> 00:04:06,199 I'm still tired. 127 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:07,220 - Let's go back to sleep. 128 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,010 - Like they're literally queerbaiting 129 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:15,722 and not even hiding it. 130 00:04:15,722 --> 00:04:16,555 - Mm-hmm. 131 00:04:16,555 --> 00:04:18,070 - They're going, hey, we want votes from you, 132 00:04:18,070 --> 00:04:20,830 so we're gonna pretend that we're gay, 133 00:04:20,830 --> 00:04:22,963 but we're never gonna actually confirm it. 134 00:04:22,963 --> 00:04:23,796 - Mm-hmm. 135 00:04:23,796 --> 00:04:24,760 - We're just gonna tease you with it. 136 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,701 - Yep. 137 00:04:25,701 --> 00:04:27,550 - And that, and I get it, like they're trying to be cute 138 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:28,383 and they're trying to do it, 139 00:04:28,383 --> 00:04:30,750 and I'm sure that some of the people behind this 140 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:32,400 weren't doing it with malicious intent 141 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,460 or maybe didn't even realise it was problematic, 142 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:39,330 but just give us proper representation, 143 00:04:39,330 --> 00:04:41,139 and don't, like we're not, 144 00:04:41,139 --> 00:04:44,600 representation is so important to LGBT+ people, 145 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,880 and I feel like using as it as something 146 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,087 to dangle in front of us-- 147 00:04:48,087 --> 00:04:48,920 - Yeah. 148 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,710 - As that, ooh, maybe this is a thing. 149 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:51,543 - Maybe it'll happen. 150 00:04:51,543 --> 00:04:53,950 - But then never actually confirm it, 151 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:56,310 it's frustrating beyond belief. 152 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:57,550 - I think, yeah. 153 00:04:57,550 --> 00:04:58,410 - And a little bit of teasing is okay, 154 00:04:58,410 --> 00:05:01,590 like if you're planning to make an LGBT+ character, 155 00:05:01,590 --> 00:05:03,687 and maybe you want to build up to that, 156 00:05:03,687 --> 00:05:06,670 that's different but I mean, how many seasons 157 00:05:06,670 --> 00:05:07,890 has this show been going? 158 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:09,030 - Like six or seven now. 159 00:05:09,030 --> 00:05:09,863 - And they've never confirmed this? 160 00:05:09,863 --> 00:05:11,210 - No, I mean, it's finished now. 161 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:12,380 It's finished, the show's finished, 162 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:13,700 and it's never been confirmed. 163 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:15,050 The next one is for a show called Riverdale. 164 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:17,140 This is something that someone sent me on Twitter. 165 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:18,010 - Oh, no, I love Riverdale. 166 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:20,240 - And I just watched this and I was like, 167 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,570 what the fuck did I just watch? 168 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:22,803 - No. - Okay. 169 00:05:25,427 --> 00:05:27,792 - [Girls] And fight the fight. 170 00:05:27,792 --> 00:05:29,459 - Whoo, go Bulldogs! 171 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:31,667 - Hmm. 172 00:05:31,667 --> 00:05:33,640 Ladies, where's the heat? 173 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,540 Where's the sizzle? 174 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:37,740 - Well, you haven't seen our big finish yet. 175 00:05:39,313 --> 00:05:41,020 Don't freak out, just trust me. 176 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,603 (upbeat music) 177 00:05:52,377 --> 00:05:56,610 - Okay, so this, watching this now 178 00:05:56,610 --> 00:05:59,340 this really really annoys me and it was the music 179 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:01,110 that really, because the way, 180 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:03,110 they almost romanticised that moment. 181 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:04,027 - And then swells up, 182 00:06:04,027 --> 00:06:05,980 and it's the kind of music that you would expect 183 00:06:05,980 --> 00:06:08,097 for a first kiss from a teen drama like this, 184 00:06:08,097 --> 00:06:10,461 if it was a straight couple kissing for the first time 185 00:06:10,461 --> 00:06:12,130 in an actual relationship. 186 00:06:12,130 --> 00:06:13,730 - But this wasn't that. 187 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:14,850 This was just two girls, 188 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:16,330 and both of these characters are straight, 189 00:06:16,330 --> 00:06:19,173 and they never come out as gay or otherwise. 190 00:06:22,410 --> 00:06:23,730 - It's just 'cause, and I think, as well, 191 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:25,240 the two girls versus the two boys thing, 192 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,900 I don't, I think it's unlikely 193 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:28,440 that they would have two boys kissing 194 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,380 in the same way. 195 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:30,213 - Yes. 196 00:06:30,213 --> 00:06:31,870 - Because I think that the way that lesbians 197 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:35,890 are sexualized in a way that's for people to view, 198 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:38,030 and so it's really interesting how queerbaiting, 199 00:06:38,030 --> 00:06:40,430 depending on the gender of the people involved 200 00:06:40,430 --> 00:06:43,960 can have these really different reasonings behind them, 201 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,150 so this was kind of titillation for straight audiences. 202 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:47,983 - Yeah, absolutely. 203 00:06:47,983 --> 00:06:49,470 - As well as for lesbians who wanted to see 204 00:06:49,470 --> 00:06:50,410 some kind of representation, 205 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:51,680 and this was in the first episode, right? 206 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,620 So this is like, in the first seasons. 207 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:56,510 So this is queerbaiting from the very start, 208 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:58,540 getting them hooked on the first episode. 209 00:06:58,540 --> 00:06:59,373 - I feel like, as well, 210 00:06:59,373 --> 00:07:02,820 I feel like 99% of lesbian representation 211 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:06,140 is always sexualization of lesbian women 212 00:07:06,140 --> 00:07:08,090 for a straight audience, like you were saying. 213 00:07:08,090 --> 00:07:10,130 - Okay, so this next one is from a show, 214 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:11,460 forgive me if I'm pronouncing this wrong, 215 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:13,770 Rizzoli & Isles, which is one I only ever see 216 00:07:13,770 --> 00:07:14,950 because of how much people talk 217 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:16,470 about how queerbaited the two leads are. 218 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:17,320 - Okay, yeah. 219 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,390 - And this is just one clip. 220 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:20,810 People sent me so many clips from this show 221 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:22,068 to demonstrate this. 222 00:07:22,068 --> 00:07:23,318 This is just one of them. 223 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:27,980 - Listen, I don't wanna stand in the way 224 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:29,280 of a great romance, okay? 225 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,710 - What do you mean? 226 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:31,943 - You and Tommy. 227 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:36,220 I mean, clearly, opposites attract. 228 00:07:36,220 --> 00:07:37,750 - It's an evolutionary strategy 229 00:07:37,750 --> 00:07:39,380 to ensure healthy reproduction. 230 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:41,450 - Okay, why do you gotta go straight to breeding? 231 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:42,800 All right, with my brother. 232 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:48,593 - Look, I like Tommy a lot. 233 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,260 But I love you, and I hate it when you hate me, 234 00:07:53,260 --> 00:07:56,620 so I don't wanna do anything to compromise our friendship. 235 00:07:56,620 --> 00:08:01,524 Good, 'cause I hate it when I have to hate you. 236 00:08:01,524 --> 00:08:03,774 (laughing) 237 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,753 - Sip it slowly. 238 00:08:08,579 --> 00:08:10,497 - That's the gayest shit I've ever seen in my life. 239 00:08:10,497 --> 00:08:11,330 - That is, 'cause like, 240 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:16,300 what is a bit upsetting is that as that scene was opening, 241 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:20,250 and unfolding, I could feel my heart almost swelling, 242 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:21,700 but to know that presumably, 243 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:23,300 these characters aren't lesbians 244 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:28,030 and they never become lesbians is really sad, 245 00:08:28,030 --> 00:08:31,650 and again, like with one of the other clips that we watched, 246 00:08:31,650 --> 00:08:34,760 the music, it's this romantic music 247 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,980 that comes in to cue romance. 248 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:38,250 - Yeah, in your head. 249 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:39,430 - And that's not an accident. 250 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:40,263 That's not-- 251 00:08:40,263 --> 00:08:41,670 - And saying like, if that had been a guy, 252 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:43,580 and he'd have been like, I don't wanna get in the way 253 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:45,320 of your relationship with my brother, 254 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,750 and then they'd have been like, I like him, but I love you, 255 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:50,753 that would've been like all the people, 256 00:08:50,753 --> 00:08:51,630 it would've been like, ah, this is the start 257 00:08:51,630 --> 00:08:53,301 of the new ship on the show. 258 00:08:53,301 --> 00:08:54,134 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 259 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:54,967 - This is them getting together 260 00:08:54,967 --> 00:08:55,800 by the end of the season. 261 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,453 There's also an episode of this which is, 262 00:09:00,298 --> 00:09:01,131 that someone sent me, as well, where one of, 263 00:09:01,131 --> 00:09:03,380 basically, they have to go undercover as lesbians. 264 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:04,930 - Oh, for God's sake. 265 00:09:04,930 --> 00:09:06,250 - And I think one of the difficult things 266 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:09,490 with queerbaiting is we don't know where the buck stops. 267 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:12,240 We don't know who is actually responsible, 268 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,120 so it's very easy to be annoyed at the writers, I think, 269 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:15,953 because you're like, 270 00:09:15,953 --> 00:09:17,308 well, you're the one who's writing this. 271 00:09:17,308 --> 00:09:18,141 - Yeah. 272 00:09:18,141 --> 00:09:20,460 - But I can see that there are some shows, 273 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:25,270 like Korrasami in Legend of Korra was a kids' show, 274 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:27,470 and so the writers were explicitly told, 275 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:29,330 you can't include this relationship 276 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:31,730 in there specifically, but they did as much as they could 277 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:32,680 within the script to show-- 278 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:33,800 - To include that. - What was happening, 279 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,180 and then, at the end, they basically walk 280 00:09:35,180 --> 00:09:37,120 into the sunset together, hand in hand. 281 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:37,980 - So it's suggested. 282 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:39,950 - So it's suggested as much they could do, 283 00:09:39,950 --> 00:09:41,420 and so it's, there's no point in being angry 284 00:09:41,420 --> 00:09:42,700 with the writers then because the writers 285 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:44,110 were doing everything they could, 286 00:09:44,110 --> 00:09:45,990 but we only know that because they were, 287 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:47,910 have been so open since the show ended 288 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:49,950 about exactly what they were and weren't allowed to do, 289 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:51,740 whereas most of these things that are still on the air, 290 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:52,920 the writers can't come out and be like, 291 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,464 the producers are dickheads. 292 00:09:54,464 --> 00:09:55,297 - Yes, absolutely. 293 00:09:55,297 --> 00:09:56,358 - Because it's like, they want a job. 294 00:09:56,358 --> 00:09:58,420 But similarly, there might be actors that say 295 00:09:58,420 --> 00:10:00,490 that they refuse to do it if it get brought up, 296 00:10:00,490 --> 00:10:02,750 they could have agents of actors that say, 297 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:04,570 my client doesn't wanna take that kind of role. 298 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:06,690 There's so many options that it could be 299 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:08,630 and we don't know and for each one, 300 00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:10,280 it could be an individual situation, 301 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,540 and I think that's what's the most frustrating. 302 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:13,790 - We don't know whose responsibility-- 303 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:14,900 - Queer people don't know who to go to 304 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:16,540 to be like, look, here's our case, 305 00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:18,290 here's the case we wanna put forward, 306 00:10:18,290 --> 00:10:19,420 and this is why it's problematic, 307 00:10:19,420 --> 00:10:21,030 but it's the reason why I have a policy 308 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:23,260 where I don't think representation is ever a spoiler. 309 00:10:23,260 --> 00:10:25,280 So I will fucking spoil something. 310 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,580 If something is representation, 311 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:28,500 I will tell you that it has queer representation. 312 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:29,680 I don't care if someone's like, 313 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:31,590 oh, but I wanted it to be a surprise. 314 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:32,990 I'm like, no, I want queer people 315 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:34,360 to actually go and see this and they won't 316 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,680 if they think it's straight or offensive in some way. 317 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:40,110 - Yeah, a person being gay shouldn't be a big, 318 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:41,830 scandalous, shocker moment. 319 00:10:41,830 --> 00:10:43,120 It shouldn't be a twist. 320 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,060 - Yeah, exactly. 321 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,860 - It's never a twist that somebody's straight. 322 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:47,550 Why should it be a twist that somebody's gay? 323 00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:48,383 - Exactly. 324 00:10:48,383 --> 00:10:50,190 - I don't, yeah, I don't buy that at all. 325 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:52,806 - Okay, so this is from a TV show called Skam. 326 00:10:52,806 --> 00:10:54,610 Apparently, this is the Italian version of it. 327 00:10:54,610 --> 00:10:57,460 - So these characters that we're about to watch aren't gay. 328 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:59,248 - Yeah, and this is the Italian one of it. 329 00:10:59,248 --> 00:11:00,081 - Right, okay. 330 00:11:00,081 --> 00:11:01,082 (upbeat music) 331 00:11:01,082 --> 00:11:04,749 (speaking foreign language) 332 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:18,490 (group cheering) 333 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:24,023 - Ah, that was a definitely, 334 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:26,600 that was a definitely-- 335 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,010 - Even though I knew it was queerbaiting, 336 00:11:28,010 --> 00:11:29,187 I even was pulled in by it, 337 00:11:29,187 --> 00:11:31,348 and genuinely thought they were gonna kiss. 338 00:11:31,348 --> 00:11:32,560 - Mm. 339 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,150 - But I feel like, there was like, 340 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:36,240 not only was it her leaning in, 341 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,290 being like that, but also, her reaction was like, 342 00:11:38,290 --> 00:11:40,240 oh, it was like an I want this-- 343 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,385 - Yeah, I want this, an uncertainty. 344 00:11:42,385 --> 00:11:44,280 That, to me, was like the scene that you would have 345 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,000 in a coming out narrative. 346 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,200 - There's so much going on there. 347 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,780 Again, you could say, oh, it's just an accident. 348 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:50,770 It wasn't intentional, but the camera angles 349 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:55,070 and everything else, it's all foreshadowing romance. 350 00:11:55,070 --> 00:11:56,460 - Yeah, if you had a guy, 351 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:58,470 again, I think it's like, if you just have to put a guy 352 00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:59,303 in that position. 353 00:11:59,303 --> 00:12:00,880 If you had a guy who came to a girl, 354 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,300 who leant over, stroked her hair and then was like, 355 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:04,700 oh, you had a bit of makeup on your face. 356 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:07,170 Like that's such a classic cliche of, like-- 357 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:08,003 - Yeah, absolutely. 358 00:12:08,003 --> 00:12:08,836 - Heterosexual romance moment, 359 00:12:08,836 --> 00:12:10,460 or like, oh, there's an eyelash on your cheek, 360 00:12:10,460 --> 00:12:12,810 like that kind of thing. 361 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:14,840 - Bloody straight people. 362 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,741 - So this is from a TV show called Supergirl. 363 00:12:16,741 --> 00:12:17,574 - Okay. 364 00:12:17,574 --> 00:12:18,407 - Have you seen Supergirl before? 365 00:12:18,407 --> 00:12:19,490 - No. - Okay. 366 00:12:22,565 --> 00:12:23,660 - It's a good article. 367 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:24,510 You flatter me. 368 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:25,760 - I only wrote the truth. 369 00:12:28,010 --> 00:12:30,360 I'm learning to keep digging 370 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,340 even when all the evidence points one way. 371 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:34,520 There's always another side. 372 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,550 - Even when it's hard to find. 373 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:37,647 - Especially when it's hard to find. 374 00:12:37,647 --> 00:12:40,362 (soft music) 375 00:12:40,362 --> 00:12:43,160 So my office is overflowing my flowers. 376 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,820 - Really? - Yeah. (laughing) 377 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:48,040 You didn't have to do that. 378 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,383 - Yeah, I did. 379 00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:53,087 Supergirl told me that it was you who sent her. 380 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:56,671 I don't know how to thank you. 381 00:12:56,671 --> 00:12:57,813 - Well, that's what friends are for. 382 00:12:59,611 --> 00:13:02,450 - Yeah, never had friends like you before. 383 00:13:02,450 --> 00:13:04,763 Come to think of it, I've never had a family like you. 384 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,380 No one's ever stood up for me like that. 385 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:12,493 - Now you have someone that will stand up for you, always. 386 00:13:14,970 --> 00:13:16,300 - Well, Supergirl may have saved me, 387 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,043 but Kara Danvers, you are my hero. 388 00:13:20,891 --> 00:13:21,724 - Aww. 389 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:26,773 - Thank you. - Anytime. 390 00:13:28,392 --> 00:13:29,225 Bye. - Bye. 391 00:13:31,997 --> 00:13:34,010 (soft melodic music) 392 00:13:34,010 --> 00:13:36,600 - The flowers, oh my God. 393 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,493 You can't. 394 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,860 You can't, like there's just so much stuff 395 00:13:41,860 --> 00:13:45,136 that would just be so romantic-- 396 00:13:45,136 --> 00:13:45,969 - Yeah. 397 00:13:45,969 --> 00:13:46,802 - If it was a heterosexual couple, 398 00:13:46,802 --> 00:13:49,450 like such a coding thing, and I think with this show, 399 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,940 I'm guessing based on the fact that she's a Luther 400 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:55,520 that the whole thing is that you're not meant 401 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,760 to maybe trust her or not trust her, 402 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,106 so maybe the look, it's the same with the Teen Wolf thing, 403 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:01,940 where it's like, oh, his look of realisation 404 00:14:01,940 --> 00:14:03,320 is actually about the case. 405 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,941 It's like, oh, maybe her lingering look-- 406 00:14:04,941 --> 00:14:05,824 - Is actually-- 407 00:14:05,824 --> 00:14:09,570 - Is actually, ooh, she's lingering 'cause she's evil 408 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:10,879 and she's looking at her and stuff, 409 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:13,620 but I'm like, you don't be like, oh, you're my hero, 410 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:14,743 oh, I've never had a friend like you before. 411 00:14:14,743 --> 00:14:17,540 There's all of these interesting little coded words. 412 00:14:17,540 --> 00:14:18,919 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 413 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:21,260 - That are super queer coding, 414 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:25,130 so the idea of oh, you're different, you're special, 415 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:27,000 I've never had a friend like you before, 416 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,910 we're special friends, 417 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:31,020 it's all that kind of coding that's the same as like, 418 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,480 oh, yes, my spinster aunt 419 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,110 who has special friend for 80 years. 420 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:35,880 - Yeah, and I feel like it's almost like 421 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,810 the kind of language that we grow to hear and get used to, 422 00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:42,390 when we're growing up gay, 423 00:14:42,390 --> 00:14:44,400 all that language we do use before that we come out, 424 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,070 and all that kind of language that we hear used around us, 425 00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:48,760 when people speak about us, 426 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,390 and then suddenly, you're hearing it here, 427 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,690 and it's like a deliberate undertone. 428 00:14:52,690 --> 00:14:53,523 - Yeah, exactly. 429 00:14:53,523 --> 00:14:56,103 - Of being queer, and again, I just feel like, 430 00:14:56,103 --> 00:15:00,358 watching it, I was just imagining some young 14-year-old kid 431 00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:03,780 who's a lesbian or gay or queer and just sitting, 432 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,880 watching it and feeling like, oh my God, 433 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,590 like oh my God, I'm gonna see myself on the screen. 434 00:15:08,590 --> 00:15:09,423 - Yeah. 435 00:15:09,423 --> 00:15:10,580 - And then uh-oh, absolutely not. 436 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:11,870 - So this was a little bit different. 437 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:14,480 So this is a film which has said, explicitly, 438 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,070 in the press material that it has a gay character. 439 00:15:18,070 --> 00:15:19,200 - Okay. 440 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,320 - And then these are the scenes 441 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,700 with that gay character in, so. 442 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:25,900 - Oh, God, I'm gonna be so disappointed, aren't I? 443 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:28,099 - This is Sulu in Star Trek. 444 00:15:28,099 --> 00:15:28,932 I'm gonna get my glasses on, 445 00:15:28,932 --> 00:15:30,060 'cause I've gotta see the exact timestamp. 446 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:32,610 So, this is clip number one. 447 00:15:32,610 --> 00:15:35,060 - [Jim] Of our extended stay here in outer space. 448 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,720 And the personal sacrifices they've made. 449 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:42,070 We continue to search for new life-- 450 00:15:42,070 --> 00:15:43,823 - That was clip number one. 451 00:15:43,823 --> 00:15:45,731 Clip number two, hang on. 452 00:15:45,731 --> 00:15:46,564 I wrote down the time code. 453 00:15:46,564 --> 00:15:48,173 - Oh, no. 454 00:15:48,173 --> 00:15:49,380 - 10:41. 455 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:53,417 - What I hear is that the parks here are excellent. 456 00:15:56,208 --> 00:15:58,958 (swelling music) 457 00:16:01,405 --> 00:16:02,289 - Hey. - So glad you-- 458 00:16:02,289 --> 00:16:06,443 (speech drowned out by music) 459 00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:07,313 - That was it. 460 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:11,563 - That was, you know what? 461 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:16,330 It makes me really sad because even that little bit 462 00:16:16,330 --> 00:16:19,100 of a shred of a thing, I was like, ah. 463 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:22,600 Like I'm so happy to see, the fact that just seeing 464 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,540 that little tiny moment where it was even like, 465 00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:28,223 it was not explicit at all, 466 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,332 and just like, but in the first clip, 467 00:16:32,332 --> 00:16:35,331 it shows a picture of just the daughter. 468 00:16:35,331 --> 00:16:36,550 - Yeah, it does, Calum. 469 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:37,800 - And it's like-- - Yeah, it does. 470 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,657 - If he's a gay character, 471 00:16:38,657 --> 00:16:41,150 and you wanna pop that in your press tour, 472 00:16:41,150 --> 00:16:43,400 then why is it just a picture of the daughter? 473 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Why isn't it a family picture of them together, 474 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,591 or a picture of the daughter and the husband? 475 00:16:46,591 --> 00:16:47,424 - Yeah. 476 00:16:47,424 --> 00:16:49,550 - And like, and when they do have that moment, 477 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:51,800 if you're watching that, it could very much be like, 478 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,560 oh, but, are they gay? 479 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,620 Is that his friend? 480 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:55,830 Is that the uncle? 481 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:56,663 Is that the brother? 482 00:16:56,663 --> 00:16:58,300 - I know a lot of people who thought it was his brother, 483 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:00,930 and thought that the girl was either the brother's daughter 484 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:02,000 and so it was a niece, or it was his daughter, 485 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,350 but it was staying with his brother while he was away. 486 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:05,183 - Yeah. 487 00:17:05,183 --> 00:17:06,016 - Because otherwise, why wouldn't you 488 00:17:06,016 --> 00:17:08,295 have a picture of both of them on your control? 489 00:17:08,295 --> 00:17:10,770 - It's such, it's the classic example 490 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:12,580 of doing the absolute bare minimum. 491 00:17:12,580 --> 00:17:15,430 - I picked this outright, so I very specifically was like, 492 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:18,440 this is the, you have to watch now for the gay. 493 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,130 But I know people who went in like, had no. 494 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:23,200 - I might, yeah, I feel like, yeah. 495 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,220 - Definitely no one who hadn't heard the press before 496 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:27,840 had any idea, and especially not, 497 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,050 so my rule for representation is whoever the target audience 498 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,980 of the film is has to be able to know 499 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:36,960 that that's what's happening without having heard 500 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,300 anything about it outside of the film. 501 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,133 - Yeah. 502 00:17:39,133 --> 00:17:41,027 - And Star Trek is a family film. 503 00:17:41,027 --> 00:17:42,412 Like there's a film that the whole family's meant 504 00:17:42,412 --> 00:17:43,417 to be able to come and see. 505 00:17:43,417 --> 00:17:44,810 That's what the age restriction is on it, 506 00:17:44,810 --> 00:17:46,230 and I don't think any kids would've picked up 507 00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:47,170 on that whatsoever. 508 00:17:47,170 --> 00:17:48,750 - And the fact that, and I do feel like, 509 00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:50,600 if you hadn't been like, okay, gays are coming, 510 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,090 Calum, look at gays coming. 511 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:52,923 - Look at the gays. 512 00:17:52,923 --> 00:17:54,007 - Like it was literally like, blink if you miss it, 513 00:17:54,007 --> 00:17:55,380 and there was so many ways 514 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:56,540 you could interpret that, 515 00:17:56,540 --> 00:18:00,510 and the fact that we are people who we literally work 516 00:18:00,510 --> 00:18:02,920 in an industry where we talk about representation 517 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,487 and LGBT+ media all the time, 518 00:18:04,487 --> 00:18:07,140 and the fact that even we could miss that. 519 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:09,080 - Yeah. - Says a lot. 520 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,920 Like, I feel like I've got an eye like a hawk 521 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,570 when I'm watching a movie, like, gays, gays, 522 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:14,840 where are the gays, where are the gays? 523 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,540 And if we can miss it then you know, 524 00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:19,388 you want a 10 year old kid to be able to spot it. 525 00:18:19,388 --> 00:18:20,221 - I'd also like to point out the fact 526 00:18:20,221 --> 00:18:22,560 that we have just watched previous scenes of queerbaiting 527 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,020 where the shows have said those characters aren't queer 528 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:28,610 and they kiss, and they sent each other flowers, 529 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:30,970 and they have had romantic swells of music, 530 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:33,260 and then we have this, which is meant to be representation, 531 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:35,200 and we had fuck all. - Fuck all. 532 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,640 - This is the character of Trini, or the Yellow Power Ranger 533 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,050 from the new Power Rangers movie, 534 00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:40,910 and this was one of those ones that got announced 535 00:18:40,910 --> 00:18:45,780 in the news or at large that she was a queer character, 536 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:49,740 and I think that people went, thinking they were gonna get 537 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,190 either she was out or that the movie itself 538 00:18:52,190 --> 00:18:53,850 was gonna allow her to have a coming out story. 539 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:54,683 - Yeah. 540 00:18:54,683 --> 00:18:57,043 - And like, this is the scene. 541 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:00,790 - Nobody ever has to get to know me, 542 00:19:00,790 --> 00:19:04,963 and my parents don't have to worry about my relationships. 543 00:19:05,889 --> 00:19:06,990 - [Zack] Hmm. 544 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:08,460 Boyfriend troubles? 545 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:11,563 - Yeah, boyfriend troubles. 546 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:16,440 - Girlfriend troubles? 547 00:19:22,790 --> 00:19:27,173 - My family is so normal, too normal. 548 00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:31,753 They believe in labels. 549 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,653 They'd like for me to dress differently, 550 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:45,360 talk more, have the kind of friends they want me to have. 551 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:49,560 - So basically, that's how the scene goes, 552 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,760 so it's like-- 553 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,050 - That was stupid. 554 00:19:53,050 --> 00:19:55,730 That was so stupid. 555 00:19:55,730 --> 00:19:58,920 I don't know if that's just been poorly made or what, 556 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,430 but that was so not clear. 557 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:03,870 The way she's like, yeah, boyfriend troubles, 558 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:06,520 and then out of nowhere, out of the sky-- 559 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,353 - Mm-hmm. 560 00:20:07,353 --> 00:20:09,064 - He responds with oh, girlfriend troubles, 561 00:20:09,064 --> 00:20:11,583 and then she doesn't confirm it! 562 00:20:11,583 --> 00:20:13,520 And then she goes on to talk really, 563 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,360 in a really obscure way. 564 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,610 - Generic way about my family is normal. 565 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:19,170 - Yeah, and it's like-- - And like-- 566 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:20,530 - Speaking in riddles. 567 00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:22,370 - And I think that, again, this is one of those ones 568 00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:24,873 that this is a family movie. 569 00:20:25,708 --> 00:20:27,417 So it'd be like tweenagers would be watching this, 570 00:20:27,417 --> 00:20:31,040 and I don't think that if they'd've seen this, 571 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,600 it's like, oh, it's kind of revolutionary 572 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,500 that we even get the mention 573 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,410 of possibly girlfriend troubles in here, cool. 574 00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:39,950 But actually commit, especially because she's given 575 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:41,780 a straight answer to the boyfriend troubles question, 576 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:43,520 and especially because this doesn't then become 577 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,855 a coming out story. 578 00:20:44,855 --> 00:20:46,410 Like it's not like this is just one scene 579 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:49,000 that eventually becomes this coming out thing, 580 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,470 and I think that, I get that people might be like, 581 00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:53,430 oh, well, they thought this would be the first 582 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:54,730 in a number of Power Rangers movies, 583 00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:56,330 and maybe she'd come out in the later one, 584 00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:59,860 but I do think that with the context of queerbaiting, 585 00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:03,450 you can't just hint at nothing in the first one, 586 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:05,080 because it's just as easy for you to be like, 587 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,620 oh, that didn't test well, so we'll just gonna, 588 00:21:06,620 --> 00:21:08,581 it's great, 'cause now for the second one, 589 00:21:08,581 --> 00:21:09,414 we can just not have that bit in there. 590 00:21:09,414 --> 00:21:12,200 - Yeah, it's frustrating, because they are trying 591 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,050 to take a step forward in the right direction, 592 00:21:15,050 --> 00:21:17,010 and I do have an appreciation for that, 593 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:21,560 but it's like, it's just been done so badly 594 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,620 and so, they're being so safe with it. 595 00:21:24,620 --> 00:21:26,730 - And the thing about not liking labels, 596 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:29,770 that annoys me so much, because there is nothing wrong 597 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:31,980 with someone not wanting to label their sexuality, 598 00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:34,010 but to do that as representation, 599 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:35,020 and to get away with it by being like, 600 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:35,870 oh, she doesn't like labels, 601 00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:36,850 so therefore, we don't have to-- 602 00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:37,740 - So we're not gonna say it, uh-oh. 603 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:39,730 - I'm like, just because you don't like labels 604 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:41,410 doesn't mean you can't articulate yourself. 605 00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:43,420 It doesn't mean you can't have discussions with people, 606 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:45,480 can't be open with people, can't, 607 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,040 or even if it's a closed-off character, 608 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,960 have, as part of her character arc, 609 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,700 have her trust someone, her have an actual conversation, 610 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,619 'cause you can still explain in sentence, 611 00:21:54,619 --> 00:21:58,020 so I'm confused about this, and I kinda feel this way 612 00:21:58,020 --> 00:21:59,460 for someone, but not for anyone else. 613 00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:01,140 I don't wanna label it with a particular word-- 614 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:02,840 - This is how I feel, yeah. 615 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,860 - Like not liking labels doesn't mean you just don't 616 00:22:05,860 --> 00:22:08,260 use words ever to describe anything. 617 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,000 It just means that there's not a particular label 618 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,947 that suits you that's like, gay, straight, bi. 619 00:22:11,947 --> 00:22:13,100 - Yeah. - And that's fine. 620 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:14,960 I do think that, as much as possible right now, 621 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,950 with the representation we have, 622 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:17,523 we should be using labels, 623 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,250 or at least having those labels be discussed 624 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:23,510 and offered up as options, and then it's like-- 625 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:24,472 - And then if you don't-- 626 00:22:24,472 --> 00:22:25,547 - Explicitly saying what, how you feel, 627 00:22:25,547 --> 00:22:27,930 and not just being like, are you gay, straight, bi? 628 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:29,440 And them being like, I don't like labels, 629 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,015 and saying nothing else about it. 630 00:22:31,015 --> 00:22:32,514 - (laughing) And then moving on. 631 00:22:32,514 --> 00:22:33,470 - 'Cause that's not how that works. 632 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:34,900 - Yeah, no, not at all. 633 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:37,090 - So you ready? 634 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:37,923 - I have-- 635 00:22:37,923 --> 00:22:39,980 - Here we go, the grand fucking finale, 636 00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:41,300 these two clips. 637 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:42,893 So we're gonna start with, 638 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,440 do you want to start with Beauty and the Beast 639 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,640 or do you want to start with How to Train Your Dragon 2? 640 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,790 - I have heard so much about the Beauty and the Beast thing. 641 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:51,623 - Okay, here we go. 642 00:22:51,623 --> 00:22:53,070 - That I've not seen it. 643 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:54,970 I'm, oh, I know it's gonna make me angry. 644 00:22:54,970 --> 00:22:57,008 - Okay, right, you ready for it? 645 00:22:57,008 --> 00:22:57,841 - Yup. 646 00:22:57,841 --> 00:22:59,758 - Are you ready for it? 647 00:23:00,853 --> 00:23:03,265 ♪ Song as old as rhyme ♪ 648 00:23:03,265 --> 00:23:06,760 ♪ Beauty and the Beast ♪ 649 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,720 - That was it. 650 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,917 - That was it? - That was it. 651 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:14,085 - Wow. 652 00:23:14,085 --> 00:23:16,462 (Rowan chuckling and clapping) 653 00:23:16,462 --> 00:23:18,370 Oh, that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. 654 00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:21,820 All that hype, all that hype about this movie 655 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:25,813 having a gay scene, we get what, a second? 656 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:28,370 - And the thing is, I get the idea 657 00:23:28,370 --> 00:23:29,850 that it might've been like, 658 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:31,800 the director has a throwaway comment in an interview 659 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,233 where he's like, oh, yeah, we have this sort of gay moment 660 00:23:33,233 --> 00:23:35,419 that we inserted in there, and they're like, 661 00:23:35,419 --> 00:23:36,440 ooh, it got blown out of proportion by the press, 662 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,810 but I'm like, you have to know, if you're making Disney, 663 00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:41,140 this was the only representation of LGBT people 664 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:45,100 that the Disney Studio made the entire year of 2017. 665 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:46,710 This guy just put the report out. 666 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:47,990 There was no other representation 667 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:50,190 and that was what counted as representation. 668 00:23:51,352 --> 00:23:56,352 - (sighing) It just, it literally leaves me speechless. 669 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:58,940 That's so frustrating. 670 00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:00,680 That's so unbelievably frustrating. 671 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,060 It's not even noticeable. 672 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:03,840 Like people, what we've gotta remember 673 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,580 is when we do things like this, when we do reaction videos 674 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:07,810 and when we talk about things like this, 675 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:09,930 in the context of what we're talking about it, 676 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:11,360 you're really looking out for it, 677 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,370 and you're really studying every single scene. 678 00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:15,120 That's not how people consume content. 679 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:15,953 - No. 680 00:24:15,953 --> 00:24:18,300 - We don't listen intently to every single thing. 681 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:19,133 - You don't watch every single-- 682 00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:21,360 - We don't watch every little scene. 683 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,390 If I was watching that, I'm pretty sure 684 00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:25,080 I wouldn't have even noticed. 685 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,950 - Especially with this song. 686 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:28,880 I can guarantee you if I was listening to this 687 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,713 and didn't know about it, 688 00:24:29,713 --> 00:24:32,023 I'd be fucking like belting this song. 689 00:24:32,023 --> 00:24:33,110 (Calum laughing) I wouldn't be like, 690 00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:34,660 looking at the screen to be like, oh, it's a dance. 691 00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:35,840 Let's see who's dancing with each other. 692 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,992 I would be like, 693 00:24:36,992 --> 00:24:38,419 ♪ Beauty and the ♪ 694 00:24:38,419 --> 00:24:41,760 Like really intensely, so yeah, no, completely agreed. 695 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,980 - In the bin, in the bin. 696 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,140 Do better, Disney. 697 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:46,720 - Yeah, this is from How to Train Your Dragon 2. 698 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,750 - I can, wait, before you play this, 699 00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:52,070 I can already see that the timestamp for this video is, 700 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:53,103 it's four seconds. 701 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:56,260 So very excited for this representation. 702 00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:58,780 - So this was also announced previous to the film. 703 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:03,760 This, I think, was actually the first film-based version 704 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,610 of this trend we're seeing, 705 00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:07,260 where it got announced beforehand. 706 00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:09,223 This was the first one that I was aware of. 707 00:25:11,070 --> 00:25:13,010 - This is why I never married. 708 00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:14,693 This and one other reason. 709 00:25:16,144 --> 00:25:17,433 - That's it. 710 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,158 Do you wanna see, 711 00:25:20,158 --> 00:25:20,991 I don't know if you missed that. 712 00:25:20,991 --> 00:25:21,824 Do you want it again? (Calum laughing) 713 00:25:21,824 --> 00:25:22,657 - This is why I never married. 714 00:25:22,657 --> 00:25:23,490 - It's why I never married. 715 00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:25,540 - That and one other reason. 716 00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:27,140 - That was it, that was the entire. 717 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:28,750 - Side eye, apparently-- 718 00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:30,110 - That was the entire thing. 719 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:34,240 - Apparently side eye now counts as LGBT+ representation. 720 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,760 - This is the main character, Hiccup. 721 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,100 This is his random dad's mate. 722 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:41,830 They are looking, in the context of this scene, 723 00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:43,150 they are looking at Hiccup's parents, 724 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,080 who have just reunited. 725 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,606 - Ah. - After years and years apart. 726 00:25:45,606 --> 00:25:47,010 And I think they're like, 727 00:25:47,010 --> 00:25:48,627 I can't even remember what the parents are doing, 728 00:25:48,627 --> 00:25:49,770 if the parents are arguing or they're being weird 729 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:51,010 or they're being gross or something, 730 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:55,070 and Gober, Goober, whatever the fuck his name is, 731 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:57,970 that pioneer of LGBT representation, 732 00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:00,880 is basically saying to him, about them being gross, 733 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,310 this is why I never married. 734 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:04,560 Oh, this, and one other reason. 735 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,793 The one other reason, apparently, being that he's gay. 736 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,150 - Because you can take, 737 00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:12,087 you can really read that from this scene, 738 00:26:12,087 --> 00:26:14,403 'cause he looks to the right for one moment. 739 00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:16,430 - This is one of those ones, 740 00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:18,270 I think there are some of these where you're like, 741 00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:19,189 do you know what? 742 00:26:19,189 --> 00:26:22,020 We might see two men dancing and be like, oh, 743 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:24,088 that, we understand what gay people are, 744 00:26:24,088 --> 00:26:26,010 and therefore, be like, oh, dancing with a man, okay, 745 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:26,843 blah, blah, blah. 746 00:26:26,843 --> 00:26:29,220 This, not even that kids won't understand it, 747 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,766 genuinely, you didn't understand it. 748 00:26:31,766 --> 00:26:32,599 We're here. 749 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:33,983 - And we watched it multiple times. 750 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:35,088 - Talking about it. 751 00:26:35,088 --> 00:26:36,370 You understand the context of this. 752 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:38,991 I would never have known if I hadn't have been 753 00:26:38,991 --> 00:26:42,270 reading all the gay media that was talking about this film. 754 00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:43,582 I would have no idea. 755 00:26:43,582 --> 00:26:45,580 - That is so stupid, and also, 756 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:48,027 can I just add one final thing to this? 757 00:26:48,027 --> 00:26:48,860 - Mm-hmm. 758 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:51,780 - Is that the reason that he never married 759 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:54,390 is because he's gay? 760 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:55,363 - Yes, that is-- 761 00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:58,441 - Because that is also a great message to send out there. 762 00:26:58,441 --> 00:27:00,890 - Mm-hmm. - That's just brilliant. 763 00:27:00,890 --> 00:27:02,470 - I mean, they live in a Viking society, 764 00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:04,360 but it's also Viking society with dragons-- 765 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,700 - So you know, could change thing up a bit. 766 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:09,500 - In the movie, I remember watching this scene, 767 00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:13,240 and thinking, oh, this is the first hint of what's to come. 768 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,073 - And then nothing. 769 00:27:14,073 --> 00:27:15,963 - And then that was it, that was the whole thing. 770 00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:18,370 - I hate this. 771 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,090 - I hate everything we had to do tonight. 772 00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:24,290 - This is worse than just not having a gay character. 773 00:27:24,290 --> 00:27:25,123 You know? - Mm-hmm, absolutely. 774 00:27:25,123 --> 00:27:28,880 - Like that does not count in any way, shape or form. 775 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,713 - Mm-mm. 776 00:27:29,713 --> 00:27:31,120 - I just, in the trash with this. 777 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,647 - In the trash with all of that. 778 00:27:32,647 --> 00:27:34,070 - In the trash with all of it, honestly. 779 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:35,840 - So I'm very sorry to have put you through that 780 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,750 extremely stressful situation that we just had to go through 781 00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:39,970 and watch all of that trash. 782 00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:41,640 - I feel like I need to sit down and watch 783 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,928 a load of LGBT+ movies now. 784 00:27:43,928 --> 00:27:45,080 - Yeah, actual representation. 785 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,490 - With actual queer people existing. 786 00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:50,159 - They have those? 787 00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:51,383 If you wanna have a chat about it, 788 00:27:51,383 --> 00:27:53,700 have a chat in the comments, we'll be there, 789 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:55,954 or just on all of our social media. 790 00:27:55,954 --> 00:27:57,352 The links will be in the description. 791 00:27:57,352 --> 00:27:58,185 - Yay! 792 00:27:58,185 --> 00:27:59,430 - So until I see you next time, 793 00:27:59,430 --> 00:28:00,640 bye! - See ya!