WEBVTT 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.170 - Hey, it's Rowan, and today I'm here with Calum. 00:00:02.170 --> 00:00:05.450 Calum is, as he's just said for me to say to you, 00:00:05.450 --> 00:00:06.810 a gay YouTube boy, and today, 00:00:06.810 --> 00:00:09.370 we're basically going to be reacting to queerbaiting. 00:00:09.370 --> 00:00:11.040 The first clip is from show called Teen Wolf. 00:00:11.040 --> 00:00:13.938 We're gonna watch a couple of quite infamous scenes. 00:00:13.938 --> 00:00:16.051 - Okay. 00:00:16.051 --> 00:00:19.218 (upbeat techno music) 00:00:20.070 --> 00:00:22.033 - I thought you liked girls. 00:00:22.033 --> 00:00:23.374 - I do like girls. 00:00:23.374 --> 00:00:24.731 Do you? 00:00:24.731 --> 00:00:26.636 - Absolutely. - Great. 00:00:26.636 --> 00:00:27.900 - Do you also like boys? 00:00:27.900 --> 00:00:28.983 - Absolutely. 00:00:30.154 --> 00:00:30.987 Do you? 00:00:31.878 --> 00:00:34.878 ♪ I said I love you ♪ 00:00:38.107 --> 00:00:39.520 - So then, 'cause I thought the queerbaiting there 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:41.000 was on the girl. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.370 - No, so she was confirmed to have a girlfriend 00:00:43.370 --> 00:00:45.660 in one of the earlier episodes of the season, 00:00:45.660 --> 00:00:46.970 and then made out with him and then basically 00:00:46.970 --> 00:00:49.220 came out as sort of bisexual there quite openly. 00:00:49.220 --> 00:00:51.230 And then he has that realisation moment. 00:00:51.230 --> 00:00:53.410 - And it leaves, is it leaving it open-ended 00:00:53.410 --> 00:00:54.860 whether he likes boys or not? 00:00:54.860 --> 00:00:56.610 - Mm-hmm, but so here's the interesting thing. 00:00:56.610 --> 00:00:57.830 In the rest of that scene, 00:00:57.830 --> 00:01:00.120 he sort of also seems to be having a realisation 00:01:00.120 --> 00:01:02.320 about the case that they're solving, whatever, 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.280 but they've placed that realisation moment-- 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:07.301 - There, deliberately. - Immediately after. 00:01:07.301 --> 00:01:08.760 So they have plausible deniability. 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:11.480 - That genuinely, I've never ever seen that before, 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.360 and that genuinely really annoys me, 00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:14.550 because they're doing that thing 00:01:14.550 --> 00:01:18.360 where it makes it so they get to appeal 00:01:18.360 --> 00:01:21.640 to the gay audience, but they also don't get to annoy-- 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.350 - Or like alienate. - The homophobic people, 00:01:23.350 --> 00:01:24.790 like alienate people. 00:01:24.790 --> 00:01:26.630 - It's such, and the funny thing about Teen Wolf 00:01:26.630 --> 00:01:28.890 is that Teen Wolf has had a couple of gay characters 00:01:28.890 --> 00:01:32.530 and they use it all the time in their press 00:01:32.530 --> 00:01:33.747 to kind of talk about and hype up 00:01:33.747 --> 00:01:35.097 how LGBT friendly they are. 00:01:36.060 --> 00:01:38.340 Ooh, it's one of the classic queerbaiting shows. 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:41.360 So there's actually another scene. 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:42.600 - I'm a virgin, okay? 00:01:42.600 --> 00:01:43.676 And you know what that means? 00:01:43.676 --> 00:01:44.670 It means that my lack of sexual experience 00:01:44.670 --> 00:01:46.665 is now literally a threat to my life. 00:01:46.665 --> 00:01:47.710 I need to have sex, like right now. 00:01:47.710 --> 00:01:49.630 Someone needs to have sex with me today. 00:01:49.630 --> 00:01:51.930 Like someone needs to sex me right now. 00:01:51.930 --> 00:01:53.000 - All right, I'll do it. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:53.833 - Whoa! 00:01:54.694 --> 00:01:56.009 What? 00:01:56.009 --> 00:01:57.390 - How 'bout my place at 9:00? 00:01:57.390 --> 00:01:59.170 Plan to stay the night? 00:01:59.170 --> 00:02:00.020 I like to cuddle. 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:02.560 (soft music) 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:03.393 - That was so sweet. 00:02:03.393 --> 00:02:04.226 Are you kidding? 00:02:04.226 --> 00:02:05.713 - Yes, I'm kidding. 00:02:06.970 --> 00:02:08.420 - You know, you don't toy with a guy's emotions 00:02:08.420 --> 00:02:09.253 like that, Danny. 00:02:09.253 --> 00:02:10.570 It's not attractive, all right? 00:02:12.602 --> 00:02:14.520 - [Tyler] You know who else is a virgin? 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:17.920 - So Danny is a character who's gay in the show. 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:19.300 - But the other one, again. 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:21.110 - But this one of the main characters, Stiles, 00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:23.510 who apparently is straight, 00:02:23.510 --> 00:02:25.490 or who has not, there's never been anything confirming 00:02:25.490 --> 00:02:26.323 he's anything other than straight. 00:02:26.323 --> 00:02:28.970 - So why do they keep teasing us in this way? 00:02:28.970 --> 00:02:32.324 Why do they keep giving us these little breadcrumbs? 00:02:32.324 --> 00:02:34.090 That, it's not even fun. 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:37.010 That's just, it's like borderline offensive. 00:02:37.010 --> 00:02:37.843 - Mm-hmm, yep. 00:02:37.843 --> 00:02:38.830 - Or just flat out offensive. 00:02:38.830 --> 00:02:40.540 - Yeah, I'm like, I'm not even arguing that, 00:02:40.540 --> 00:02:42.270 because this is, it's the kind of scene 00:02:42.270 --> 00:02:44.143 that's such fanservice, but they'll, 00:02:45.130 --> 00:02:47.660 I think there are a lot of shows that argue that it's like, 00:02:47.660 --> 00:02:50.280 well, don't you wanna see strong male friendships 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.250 that's healthy and heterosexual? 00:02:52.250 --> 00:02:53.870 Don't you think that men deserve friendships? 00:02:53.870 --> 00:02:55.070 Why are you having to romanticise it? 00:02:55.070 --> 00:02:57.030 And I think it's such a weird gaslighting thing 00:02:57.030 --> 00:02:58.113 to do to someone-- 00:02:58.113 --> 00:02:58.946 - Absolutely. 00:02:58.946 --> 00:02:59.890 - Like have scenes like this, and then be like, 00:02:59.890 --> 00:03:02.490 why can't men just be comfortable enough in their sexuality, 00:03:02.490 --> 00:03:04.290 and I'm like, comfortable enough in their sexuality 00:03:04.290 --> 00:03:06.004 to want to sleep with other men? 00:03:06.004 --> 00:03:07.040 There's one more clip I wanna show you of this. 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:11.688 So this was a promotional piece that came out. 00:03:11.688 --> 00:03:12.521 - Okay. 00:03:12.521 --> 00:03:15.426 - So this is a video that Teen Wolf produced. 00:03:15.426 --> 00:03:16.259 - So it's not part of the show-- 00:03:16.259 --> 00:03:17.092 - Not part of the show. 00:03:17.092 --> 00:03:20.120 This is a video that was produced by Teen Wolf, 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:21.573 in order to encourage people to vote for them. 00:03:21.573 --> 00:03:24.109 - Oh no, I know I'm gonna hate this already. 00:03:24.109 --> 00:03:26.859 (water rippling) 00:03:27.880 --> 00:03:29.179 - Tyler. 00:03:29.179 --> 00:03:30.628 - Yeah? 00:03:30.628 --> 00:03:31.461 - Wake up. 00:03:31.461 --> 00:03:33.104 - No. 00:03:33.104 --> 00:03:34.090 - We're on a ship. 00:03:34.090 --> 00:03:34.923 Pun intended. 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.233 - Whoa. 00:03:37.233 --> 00:03:38.310 Hey, man. - Hey buddy. 00:03:39.170 --> 00:03:41.090 - Oh, hey, guys. - Oh, hey, guys. 00:03:41.090 --> 00:03:43.233 - Whoa, there's like a whole bunch of people right there. 00:03:43.233 --> 00:03:45.180 - Ah, didn't see the audience. 00:03:45.180 --> 00:03:46.220 We should-- 00:03:46.220 --> 00:03:47.510 - Oh, we were supposed to tell them something. 00:03:47.510 --> 00:03:49.190 - We wanna ask if you guys could vote 00:03:49.190 --> 00:03:51.307 for Teen Wolf for the Teen Choice Awards. 00:03:51.307 --> 00:03:52.670 - For Choice Summer Show, right? 00:03:52.670 --> 00:03:54.387 - Best Choice Summer Show, yep. 00:03:54.387 --> 00:03:56.642 Can you please do it, 'cause we need you. 00:03:56.642 --> 00:03:58.171 - Please? 00:03:58.171 --> 00:04:01.700 - Ah, that's all that needs to be said. 00:04:01.700 --> 00:04:02.957 - We'll take more naps. 00:04:05.366 --> 00:04:06.199 I'm still tired. 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:07.220 - Let's go back to sleep. 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:14.010 - Like they're literally queerbaiting 00:04:14.010 --> 00:04:15.722 and not even hiding it. 00:04:15.722 --> 00:04:16.555 - Mm-hmm. 00:04:16.555 --> 00:04:18.070 - They're going, hey, we want votes from you, 00:04:18.070 --> 00:04:20.830 so we're gonna pretend that we're gay, 00:04:20.830 --> 00:04:22.963 but we're never gonna actually confirm it. 00:04:22.963 --> 00:04:23.796 - Mm-hmm. 00:04:23.796 --> 00:04:24.760 - We're just gonna tease you with it. 00:04:24.760 --> 00:04:25.701 - Yep. 00:04:25.701 --> 00:04:27.550 - And that, and I get it, like they're trying to be cute 00:04:27.550 --> 00:04:28.383 and they're trying to do it, 00:04:28.383 --> 00:04:30.750 and I'm sure that some of the people behind this 00:04:30.750 --> 00:04:32.400 weren't doing it with malicious intent 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:35.460 or maybe didn't even realise it was problematic, 00:04:35.460 --> 00:04:39.330 but just give us proper representation, 00:04:39.330 --> 00:04:41.139 and don't, like we're not, 00:04:41.139 --> 00:04:44.600 representation is so important to LGBT+ people, 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.880 and I feel like using as it as something 00:04:46.880 --> 00:04:48.087 to dangle in front of us-- 00:04:48.087 --> 00:04:48.920 - Yeah. 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.710 - As that, ooh, maybe this is a thing. 00:04:50.710 --> 00:04:51.543 - Maybe it'll happen. 00:04:51.543 --> 00:04:53.950 - But then never actually confirm it, 00:04:53.950 --> 00:04:56.310 it's frustrating beyond belief. 00:04:56.310 --> 00:04:57.550 - I think, yeah. 00:04:57.550 --> 00:04:58.410 - And a little bit of teasing is okay, 00:04:58.410 --> 00:05:01.590 like if you're planning to make an LGBT+ character, 00:05:01.590 --> 00:05:03.687 and maybe you want to build up to that, 00:05:03.687 --> 00:05:06.670 that's different but I mean, how many seasons 00:05:06.670 --> 00:05:07.890 has this show been going? 00:05:07.890 --> 00:05:09.030 - Like six or seven now. 00:05:09.030 --> 00:05:09.863 - And they've never confirmed this? 00:05:09.863 --> 00:05:11.210 - No, I mean, it's finished now. 00:05:11.210 --> 00:05:12.380 It's finished, the show's finished, 00:05:12.380 --> 00:05:13.700 and it's never been confirmed. 00:05:13.700 --> 00:05:15.050 The next one is for a show called Riverdale. 00:05:15.050 --> 00:05:17.140 This is something that someone sent me on Twitter. 00:05:17.140 --> 00:05:18.010 - Oh, no, I love Riverdale. 00:05:18.010 --> 00:05:20.240 - And I just watched this and I was like, 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:21.570 what the fuck did I just watch? 00:05:21.570 --> 00:05:22.803 - No. - Okay. 00:05:25.427 --> 00:05:27.792 - [Girls] And fight the fight. 00:05:27.792 --> 00:05:29.459 - Whoo, go Bulldogs! 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:31.667 - Hmm. 00:05:31.667 --> 00:05:33.640 Ladies, where's the heat? 00:05:33.640 --> 00:05:35.540 Where's the sizzle? 00:05:35.540 --> 00:05:37.740 - Well, you haven't seen our big finish yet. 00:05:39.313 --> 00:05:41.020 Don't freak out, just trust me. 00:05:41.020 --> 00:05:43.603 (upbeat music) 00:05:52.377 --> 00:05:56.610 - Okay, so this, watching this now 00:05:56.610 --> 00:05:59.340 this really really annoys me and it was the music 00:05:59.340 --> 00:06:01.110 that really, because the way, 00:06:01.110 --> 00:06:03.110 they almost romanticised that moment. 00:06:03.110 --> 00:06:04.027 - And then swells up, 00:06:04.027 --> 00:06:05.980 and it's the kind of music that you would expect 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:08.097 for a first kiss from a teen drama like this, 00:06:08.097 --> 00:06:10.461 if it was a straight couple kissing for the first time 00:06:10.461 --> 00:06:12.130 in an actual relationship. 00:06:12.130 --> 00:06:13.730 - But this wasn't that. 00:06:13.730 --> 00:06:14.850 This was just two girls, 00:06:14.850 --> 00:06:16.330 and both of these characters are straight, 00:06:16.330 --> 00:06:19.173 and they never come out as gay or otherwise. 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:23.730 - It's just 'cause, and I think, as well, 00:06:23.730 --> 00:06:25.240 the two girls versus the two boys thing, 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:26.900 I don't, I think it's unlikely 00:06:26.900 --> 00:06:28.440 that they would have two boys kissing 00:06:28.440 --> 00:06:29.380 in the same way. 00:06:29.380 --> 00:06:30.213 - Yes. 00:06:30.213 --> 00:06:31.870 - Because I think that the way that lesbians 00:06:31.870 --> 00:06:35.890 are sexualized in a way that's for people to view, 00:06:35.890 --> 00:06:38.030 and so it's really interesting how queerbaiting, 00:06:38.030 --> 00:06:40.430 depending on the gender of the people involved 00:06:40.430 --> 00:06:43.960 can have these really different reasonings behind them, 00:06:43.960 --> 00:06:47.150 so this was kind of titillation for straight audiences. 00:06:47.150 --> 00:06:47.983 - Yeah, absolutely. 00:06:47.983 --> 00:06:49.470 - As well as for lesbians who wanted to see 00:06:49.470 --> 00:06:50.410 some kind of representation, 00:06:50.410 --> 00:06:51.680 and this was in the first episode, right? 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:53.620 So this is like, in the first seasons. 00:06:53.620 --> 00:06:56.510 So this is queerbaiting from the very start, 00:06:56.510 --> 00:06:58.540 getting them hooked on the first episode. 00:06:58.540 --> 00:06:59.373 - I feel like, as well, 00:06:59.373 --> 00:07:02.820 I feel like 99% of lesbian representation 00:07:02.820 --> 00:07:06.140 is always sexualization of lesbian women 00:07:06.140 --> 00:07:08.090 for a straight audience, like you were saying. 00:07:08.090 --> 00:07:10.130 - Okay, so this next one is from a show, 00:07:10.130 --> 00:07:11.460 forgive me if I'm pronouncing this wrong, 00:07:11.460 --> 00:07:13.770 Rizzoli & Isles, which is one I only ever see 00:07:13.770 --> 00:07:14.950 because of how much people talk 00:07:14.950 --> 00:07:16.470 about how queerbaited the two leads are. 00:07:16.470 --> 00:07:17.320 - Okay, yeah. 00:07:17.320 --> 00:07:18.390 - And this is just one clip. 00:07:18.390 --> 00:07:20.810 People sent me so many clips from this show 00:07:20.810 --> 00:07:22.068 to demonstrate this. 00:07:22.068 --> 00:07:23.318 This is just one of them. 00:07:24.930 --> 00:07:27.980 - Listen, I don't wanna stand in the way 00:07:27.980 --> 00:07:29.280 of a great romance, okay? 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:30.710 - What do you mean? 00:07:30.710 --> 00:07:31.943 - You and Tommy. 00:07:33.090 --> 00:07:36.220 I mean, clearly, opposites attract. 00:07:36.220 --> 00:07:37.750 - It's an evolutionary strategy 00:07:37.750 --> 00:07:39.380 to ensure healthy reproduction. 00:07:39.380 --> 00:07:41.450 - Okay, why do you gotta go straight to breeding? 00:07:41.450 --> 00:07:42.800 All right, with my brother. 00:07:44.710 --> 00:07:48.593 - Look, I like Tommy a lot. 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:53.260 But I love you, and I hate it when you hate me, 00:07:53.260 --> 00:07:56.620 so I don't wanna do anything to compromise our friendship. 00:07:56.620 --> 00:08:01.524 Good, 'cause I hate it when I have to hate you. 00:08:01.524 --> 00:08:03.774 (laughing) 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:06.753 - Sip it slowly. 00:08:08.579 --> 00:08:10.497 - That's the gayest shit I've ever seen in my life. 00:08:10.497 --> 00:08:11.330 - That is, 'cause like, 00:08:11.330 --> 00:08:16.300 what is a bit upsetting is that as that scene was opening, 00:08:16.300 --> 00:08:20.250 and unfolding, I could feel my heart almost swelling, 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:21.700 but to know that presumably, 00:08:21.700 --> 00:08:23.300 these characters aren't lesbians 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:28.030 and they never become lesbians is really sad, 00:08:28.030 --> 00:08:31.650 and again, like with one of the other clips that we watched, 00:08:31.650 --> 00:08:34.760 the music, it's this romantic music 00:08:34.760 --> 00:08:36.980 that comes in to cue romance. 00:08:36.980 --> 00:08:38.250 - Yeah, in your head. 00:08:38.250 --> 00:08:39.430 - And that's not an accident. 00:08:39.430 --> 00:08:40.263 That's not-- 00:08:40.263 --> 00:08:41.670 - And saying like, if that had been a guy, 00:08:41.670 --> 00:08:43.580 and he'd have been like, I don't wanna get in the way 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:45.320 of your relationship with my brother, 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.750 and then they'd have been like, I like him, but I love you, 00:08:48.750 --> 00:08:50.753 that would've been like all the people, 00:08:50.753 --> 00:08:51.630 it would've been like, ah, this is the start 00:08:51.630 --> 00:08:53.301 of the new ship on the show. 00:08:53.301 --> 00:08:54.134 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:08:54.134 --> 00:08:54.967 - This is them getting together 00:08:54.967 --> 00:08:55.800 by the end of the season. 00:08:55.800 --> 00:08:59.453 There's also an episode of this which is, 00:09:00.298 --> 00:09:01.131 that someone sent me, as well, where one of, 00:09:01.131 --> 00:09:03.380 basically, they have to go undercover as lesbians. 00:09:03.380 --> 00:09:04.930 - Oh, for God's sake. 00:09:04.930 --> 00:09:06.250 - And I think one of the difficult things 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:09.490 with queerbaiting is we don't know where the buck stops. 00:09:09.490 --> 00:09:12.240 We don't know who is actually responsible, 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.120 so it's very easy to be annoyed at the writers, I think, 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:15.953 because you're like, 00:09:15.953 --> 00:09:17.308 well, you're the one who's writing this. 00:09:17.308 --> 00:09:18.141 - Yeah. 00:09:18.141 --> 00:09:20.460 - But I can see that there are some shows, 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:25.270 like Korrasami in Legend of Korra was a kids' show, 00:09:25.270 --> 00:09:27.470 and so the writers were explicitly told, 00:09:27.470 --> 00:09:29.330 you can't include this relationship 00:09:29.330 --> 00:09:31.730 in there specifically, but they did as much as they could 00:09:31.730 --> 00:09:32.680 within the script to show-- 00:09:32.680 --> 00:09:33.800 - To include that. - What was happening, 00:09:33.800 --> 00:09:35.180 and then, at the end, they basically walk 00:09:35.180 --> 00:09:37.120 into the sunset together, hand in hand. 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:37.980 - So it's suggested. 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:39.950 - So it's suggested as much they could do, 00:09:39.950 --> 00:09:41.420 and so it's, there's no point in being angry 00:09:41.420 --> 00:09:42.700 with the writers then because the writers 00:09:42.700 --> 00:09:44.110 were doing everything they could, 00:09:44.110 --> 00:09:45.990 but we only know that because they were, 00:09:45.990 --> 00:09:47.910 have been so open since the show ended 00:09:47.910 --> 00:09:49.950 about exactly what they were and weren't allowed to do, 00:09:49.950 --> 00:09:51.740 whereas most of these things that are still on the air, 00:09:51.740 --> 00:09:52.920 the writers can't come out and be like, 00:09:52.920 --> 00:09:54.464 the producers are dickheads. 00:09:54.464 --> 00:09:55.297 - Yes, absolutely. 00:09:55.297 --> 00:09:56.358 - Because it's like, they want a job. 00:09:56.358 --> 00:09:58.420 But similarly, there might be actors that say 00:09:58.420 --> 00:10:00.490 that they refuse to do it if it get brought up, 00:10:00.490 --> 00:10:02.750 they could have agents of actors that say, 00:10:02.750 --> 00:10:04.570 my client doesn't wanna take that kind of role. 00:10:04.570 --> 00:10:06.690 There's so many options that it could be 00:10:06.690 --> 00:10:08.630 and we don't know and for each one, 00:10:08.630 --> 00:10:10.280 it could be an individual situation, 00:10:10.280 --> 00:10:12.540 and I think that's what's the most frustrating. 00:10:12.540 --> 00:10:13.790 - We don't know whose responsibility-- 00:10:13.790 --> 00:10:14.900 - Queer people don't know who to go to 00:10:14.900 --> 00:10:16.540 to be like, look, here's our case, 00:10:16.540 --> 00:10:18.290 here's the case we wanna put forward, 00:10:18.290 --> 00:10:19.420 and this is why it's problematic, 00:10:19.420 --> 00:10:21.030 but it's the reason why I have a policy 00:10:21.030 --> 00:10:23.260 where I don't think representation is ever a spoiler. 00:10:23.260 --> 00:10:25.280 So I will fucking spoil something. 00:10:25.280 --> 00:10:26.580 If something is representation, 00:10:26.580 --> 00:10:28.500 I will tell you that it has queer representation. 00:10:28.500 --> 00:10:29.680 I don't care if someone's like, 00:10:29.680 --> 00:10:31.590 oh, but I wanted it to be a surprise. 00:10:31.590 --> 00:10:32.990 I'm like, no, I want queer people 00:10:32.990 --> 00:10:34.360 to actually go and see this and they won't 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.680 if they think it's straight or offensive in some way. 00:10:36.680 --> 00:10:40.110 - Yeah, a person being gay shouldn't be a big, 00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:41.830 scandalous, shocker moment. 00:10:41.830 --> 00:10:43.120 It shouldn't be a twist. 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:44.060 - Yeah, exactly. 00:10:44.060 --> 00:10:45.860 - It's never a twist that somebody's straight. 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:47.550 Why should it be a twist that somebody's gay? 00:10:47.550 --> 00:10:48.383 - Exactly. 00:10:48.383 --> 00:10:50.190 - I don't, yeah, I don't buy that at all. 00:10:50.190 --> 00:10:52.806 - Okay, so this is from a TV show called Skam. 00:10:52.806 --> 00:10:54.610 Apparently, this is the Italian version of it. 00:10:54.610 --> 00:10:57.460 - So these characters that we're about to watch aren't gay. 00:10:57.460 --> 00:10:59.248 - Yeah, and this is the Italian one of it. 00:10:59.248 --> 00:11:00.081 - Right, okay. 00:11:00.081 --> 00:11:01.082 (upbeat music) 00:11:01.082 --> 00:11:04.749 (speaking foreign language) 00:11:15.740 --> 00:11:18.490 (group cheering) 00:11:22.620 --> 00:11:24.023 - Ah, that was a definitely, 00:11:24.870 --> 00:11:26.600 that was a definitely-- 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.010 - Even though I knew it was queerbaiting, 00:11:28.010 --> 00:11:29.187 I even was pulled in by it, 00:11:29.187 --> 00:11:31.348 and genuinely thought they were gonna kiss. 00:11:31.348 --> 00:11:32.560 - Mm. 00:11:32.560 --> 00:11:34.150 - But I feel like, there was like, 00:11:34.150 --> 00:11:36.240 not only was it her leaning in, 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.290 being like that, but also, her reaction was like, 00:11:38.290 --> 00:11:40.240 oh, it was like an I want this-- 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.385 - Yeah, I want this, an uncertainty. 00:11:42.385 --> 00:11:44.280 That, to me, was like the scene that you would have 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:46.000 in a coming out narrative. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.200 - There's so much going on there. 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:48.780 Again, you could say, oh, it's just an accident. 00:11:48.780 --> 00:11:50.770 It wasn't intentional, but the camera angles 00:11:50.770 --> 00:11:55.070 and everything else, it's all foreshadowing romance. 00:11:55.070 --> 00:11:56.460 - Yeah, if you had a guy, 00:11:56.460 --> 00:11:58.470 again, I think it's like, if you just have to put a guy 00:11:58.470 --> 00:11:59.303 in that position. 00:11:59.303 --> 00:12:00.880 If you had a guy who came to a girl, 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:03.300 who leant over, stroked her hair and then was like, 00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:04.700 oh, you had a bit of makeup on your face. 00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:07.170 Like that's such a classic cliche of, like-- 00:12:07.170 --> 00:12:08.003 - Yeah, absolutely. 00:12:08.003 --> 00:12:08.836 - Heterosexual romance moment, 00:12:08.836 --> 00:12:10.460 or like, oh, there's an eyelash on your cheek, 00:12:10.460 --> 00:12:12.810 like that kind of thing. 00:12:12.810 --> 00:12:14.840 - Bloody straight people. 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.741 - So this is from a TV show called Supergirl. 00:12:16.741 --> 00:12:17.574 - Okay. 00:12:17.574 --> 00:12:18.407 - Have you seen Supergirl before? 00:12:18.407 --> 00:12:19.490 - No. - Okay. 00:12:22.565 --> 00:12:23.660 - It's a good article. 00:12:23.660 --> 00:12:24.510 You flatter me. 00:12:24.510 --> 00:12:25.760 - I only wrote the truth. 00:12:28.010 --> 00:12:30.360 I'm learning to keep digging 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.340 even when all the evidence points one way. 00:12:33.340 --> 00:12:34.520 There's always another side. 00:12:34.520 --> 00:12:35.550 - Even when it's hard to find. 00:12:35.550 --> 00:12:37.647 - Especially when it's hard to find. 00:12:37.647 --> 00:12:40.362 (soft music) 00:12:40.362 --> 00:12:43.160 So my office is overflowing my flowers. 00:12:43.160 --> 00:12:46.820 - Really? - Yeah. (laughing) 00:12:46.820 --> 00:12:48.040 You didn't have to do that. 00:12:48.040 --> 00:12:49.383 - Yeah, I did. 00:12:50.550 --> 00:12:53.087 Supergirl told me that it was you who sent her. 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:56.671 I don't know how to thank you. 00:12:56.671 --> 00:12:57.813 - Well, that's what friends are for. 00:12:59.611 --> 00:13:02.450 - Yeah, never had friends like you before. 00:13:02.450 --> 00:13:04.763 Come to think of it, I've never had a family like you. 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.380 No one's ever stood up for me like that. 00:13:09.380 --> 00:13:12.493 - Now you have someone that will stand up for you, always. 00:13:14.970 --> 00:13:16.300 - Well, Supergirl may have saved me, 00:13:16.300 --> 00:13:20.043 but Kara Danvers, you are my hero. 00:13:20.891 --> 00:13:21.724 - Aww. 00:13:25.410 --> 00:13:26.773 - Thank you. - Anytime. 00:13:28.392 --> 00:13:29.225 Bye. - Bye. 00:13:31.997 --> 00:13:34.010 (soft melodic music) 00:13:34.010 --> 00:13:36.600 - The flowers, oh my God. 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:37.493 You can't. 00:13:39.760 --> 00:13:41.860 You can't, like there's just so much stuff 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:45.136 that would just be so romantic-- 00:13:45.136 --> 00:13:45.969 - Yeah. 00:13:45.969 --> 00:13:46.802 - If it was a heterosexual couple, 00:13:46.802 --> 00:13:49.450 like such a coding thing, and I think with this show, 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:53.940 I'm guessing based on the fact that she's a Luther 00:13:53.940 --> 00:13:55.520 that the whole thing is that you're not meant 00:13:55.520 --> 00:13:56.760 to maybe trust her or not trust her, 00:13:56.760 --> 00:14:00.106 so maybe the look, it's the same with the Teen Wolf thing, 00:14:00.106 --> 00:14:01.940 where it's like, oh, his look of realisation 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:03.320 is actually about the case. 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:04.941 It's like, oh, maybe her lingering look-- 00:14:04.941 --> 00:14:05.824 - Is actually-- 00:14:05.824 --> 00:14:09.570 - Is actually, ooh, she's lingering 'cause she's evil 00:14:09.570 --> 00:14:10.879 and she's looking at her and stuff, 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.620 but I'm like, you don't be like, oh, you're my hero, 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:14.743 oh, I've never had a friend like you before. 00:14:14.743 --> 00:14:17.540 There's all of these interesting little coded words. 00:14:17.540 --> 00:14:18.919 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.260 - That are super queer coding, 00:14:21.260 --> 00:14:25.130 so the idea of oh, you're different, you're special, 00:14:25.130 --> 00:14:27.000 I've never had a friend like you before, 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.910 we're special friends, 00:14:28.910 --> 00:14:31.020 it's all that kind of coding that's the same as like, 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:32.480 oh, yes, my spinster aunt 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.110 who has special friend for 80 years. 00:14:34.110 --> 00:14:35.880 - Yeah, and I feel like it's almost like 00:14:35.880 --> 00:14:39.810 the kind of language that we grow to hear and get used to, 00:14:39.810 --> 00:14:42.390 when we're growing up gay, 00:14:42.390 --> 00:14:44.400 all that language we do use before that we come out, 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:47.070 and all that kind of language that we hear used around us, 00:14:47.070 --> 00:14:48.760 when people speak about us, 00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:50.390 and then suddenly, you're hearing it here, 00:14:50.390 --> 00:14:52.690 and it's like a deliberate undertone. 00:14:52.690 --> 00:14:53.523 - Yeah, exactly. 00:14:53.523 --> 00:14:56.103 - Of being queer, and again, I just feel like, 00:14:56.103 --> 00:15:00.358 watching it, I was just imagining some young 14-year-old kid 00:15:00.358 --> 00:15:03.780 who's a lesbian or gay or queer and just sitting, 00:15:03.780 --> 00:15:05.880 watching it and feeling like, oh my God, 00:15:05.880 --> 00:15:08.590 like oh my God, I'm gonna see myself on the screen. 00:15:08.590 --> 00:15:09.423 - Yeah. 00:15:09.423 --> 00:15:10.580 - And then uh-oh, absolutely not. 00:15:10.580 --> 00:15:11.870 - So this was a little bit different. 00:15:11.870 --> 00:15:14.480 So this is a film which has said, explicitly, 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:18.070 in the press material that it has a gay character. 00:15:18.070 --> 00:15:19.200 - Okay. 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:20.320 - And then these are the scenes 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.700 with that gay character in, so. 00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:25.900 - Oh, God, I'm gonna be so disappointed, aren't I? 00:15:25.900 --> 00:15:28.099 - This is Sulu in Star Trek. 00:15:28.099 --> 00:15:28.932 I'm gonna get my glasses on, 00:15:28.932 --> 00:15:30.060 'cause I've gotta see the exact timestamp. 00:15:30.060 --> 00:15:32.610 So, this is clip number one. 00:15:32.610 --> 00:15:35.060 - [Jim] Of our extended stay here in outer space. 00:15:37.470 --> 00:15:39.720 And the personal sacrifices they've made. 00:15:40.690 --> 00:15:42.070 We continue to search for new life-- 00:15:42.070 --> 00:15:43.823 - That was clip number one. 00:15:43.823 --> 00:15:45.731 Clip number two, hang on. 00:15:45.731 --> 00:15:46.564 I wrote down the time code. 00:15:46.564 --> 00:15:48.173 - Oh, no. 00:15:48.173 --> 00:15:49.380 - 10:41. 00:15:49.380 --> 00:15:53.417 - What I hear is that the parks here are excellent. 00:15:56.208 --> 00:15:58.958 (swelling music) 00:16:01.405 --> 00:16:02.289 - Hey. - So glad you-- 00:16:02.289 --> 00:16:06.443 (speech drowned out by music) 00:16:06.443 --> 00:16:07.313 - That was it. 00:16:09.590 --> 00:16:11.563 - That was, you know what? 00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:16.330 It makes me really sad because even that little bit 00:16:16.330 --> 00:16:19.100 of a shred of a thing, I was like, ah. 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:22.600 Like I'm so happy to see, the fact that just seeing 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:25.540 that little tiny moment where it was even like, 00:16:25.540 --> 00:16:28.223 it was not explicit at all, 00:16:30.400 --> 00:16:32.332 and just like, but in the first clip, 00:16:32.332 --> 00:16:35.331 it shows a picture of just the daughter. 00:16:35.331 --> 00:16:36.550 - Yeah, it does, Calum. 00:16:36.550 --> 00:16:37.800 - And it's like-- - Yeah, it does. 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:38.657 - If he's a gay character, 00:16:38.657 --> 00:16:41.150 and you wanna pop that in your press tour, 00:16:41.150 --> 00:16:43.400 then why is it just a picture of the daughter? 00:16:43.400 --> 00:16:45.000 Why isn't it a family picture of them together, 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.591 or a picture of the daughter and the husband? 00:16:46.591 --> 00:16:47.424 - Yeah. 00:16:47.424 --> 00:16:49.550 - And like, and when they do have that moment, 00:16:49.550 --> 00:16:51.800 if you're watching that, it could very much be like, 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:53.560 oh, but, are they gay? 00:16:53.560 --> 00:16:54.620 Is that his friend? 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:55.830 Is that the uncle? 00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:56.663 Is that the brother? 00:16:56.663 --> 00:16:58.300 - I know a lot of people who thought it was his brother, 00:16:58.300 --> 00:17:00.930 and thought that the girl was either the brother's daughter 00:17:00.930 --> 00:17:02.000 and so it was a niece, or it was his daughter, 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.350 but it was staying with his brother while he was away. 00:17:04.350 --> 00:17:05.183 - Yeah. 00:17:05.183 --> 00:17:06.016 - Because otherwise, why wouldn't you 00:17:06.016 --> 00:17:08.295 have a picture of both of them on your control? 00:17:08.295 --> 00:17:10.770 - It's such, it's the classic example 00:17:10.770 --> 00:17:12.580 of doing the absolute bare minimum. 00:17:12.580 --> 00:17:15.430 - I picked this outright, so I very specifically was like, 00:17:15.430 --> 00:17:18.440 this is the, you have to watch now for the gay. 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.130 But I know people who went in like, had no. 00:17:22.130 --> 00:17:23.200 - I might, yeah, I feel like, yeah. 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.220 - Definitely no one who hadn't heard the press before 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:27.840 had any idea, and especially not, 00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:31.050 so my rule for representation is whoever the target audience 00:17:31.050 --> 00:17:33.980 of the film is has to be able to know 00:17:33.980 --> 00:17:36.960 that that's what's happening without having heard 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.300 anything about it outside of the film. 00:17:38.300 --> 00:17:39.133 - Yeah. 00:17:39.133 --> 00:17:41.027 - And Star Trek is a family film. 00:17:41.027 --> 00:17:42.412 Like there's a film that the whole family's meant 00:17:42.412 --> 00:17:43.417 to be able to come and see. 00:17:43.417 --> 00:17:44.810 That's what the age restriction is on it, 00:17:44.810 --> 00:17:46.230 and I don't think any kids would've picked up 00:17:46.230 --> 00:17:47.170 on that whatsoever. 00:17:47.170 --> 00:17:48.750 - And the fact that, and I do feel like, 00:17:48.750 --> 00:17:50.600 if you hadn't been like, okay, gays are coming, 00:17:50.600 --> 00:17:52.090 Calum, look at gays coming. 00:17:52.090 --> 00:17:52.923 - Look at the gays. 00:17:52.923 --> 00:17:54.007 - Like it was literally like, blink if you miss it, 00:17:54.007 --> 00:17:55.380 and there was so many ways 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:56.540 you could interpret that, 00:17:56.540 --> 00:18:00.510 and the fact that we are people who we literally work 00:18:00.510 --> 00:18:02.920 in an industry where we talk about representation 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:04.487 and LGBT+ media all the time, 00:18:04.487 --> 00:18:07.140 and the fact that even we could miss that. 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:09.080 - Yeah. - Says a lot. 00:18:09.080 --> 00:18:11.920 Like, I feel like I've got an eye like a hawk 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:13.570 when I'm watching a movie, like, gays, gays, 00:18:13.570 --> 00:18:14.840 where are the gays, where are the gays? 00:18:14.840 --> 00:18:16.540 And if we can miss it then you know, 00:18:16.540 --> 00:18:19.388 you want a 10 year old kid to be able to spot it. 00:18:19.388 --> 00:18:20.221 - I'd also like to point out the fact 00:18:20.221 --> 00:18:22.560 that we have just watched previous scenes of queerbaiting 00:18:22.560 --> 00:18:25.020 where the shows have said those characters aren't queer 00:18:25.020 --> 00:18:28.610 and they kiss, and they sent each other flowers, 00:18:28.610 --> 00:18:30.970 and they have had romantic swells of music, 00:18:30.970 --> 00:18:33.260 and then we have this, which is meant to be representation, 00:18:33.260 --> 00:18:35.200 and we had fuck all. - Fuck all. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.640 - This is the character of Trini, or the Yellow Power Ranger 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:39.050 from the new Power Rangers movie, 00:18:39.050 --> 00:18:40.910 and this was one of those ones that got announced 00:18:40.910 --> 00:18:45.780 in the news or at large that she was a queer character, 00:18:45.780 --> 00:18:49.740 and I think that people went, thinking they were gonna get 00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:52.190 either she was out or that the movie itself 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:53.850 was gonna allow her to have a coming out story. 00:18:53.850 --> 00:18:54.683 - Yeah. 00:18:54.683 --> 00:18:57.043 - And like, this is the scene. 00:18:59.250 --> 00:19:00.790 - Nobody ever has to get to know me, 00:19:00.790 --> 00:19:04.963 and my parents don't have to worry about my relationships. 00:19:05.889 --> 00:19:06.990 - [Zack] Hmm. 00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:08.460 Boyfriend troubles? 00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:11.563 - Yeah, boyfriend troubles. 00:19:15.340 --> 00:19:16.440 - Girlfriend troubles? 00:19:22.790 --> 00:19:27.173 - My family is so normal, too normal. 00:19:30.580 --> 00:19:31.753 They believe in labels. 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.653 They'd like for me to dress differently, 00:19:40.360 --> 00:19:45.360 talk more, have the kind of friends they want me to have. 00:19:46.930 --> 00:19:49.560 - So basically, that's how the scene goes, 00:19:49.560 --> 00:19:50.760 so it's like-- 00:19:50.760 --> 00:19:53.050 - That was stupid. 00:19:53.050 --> 00:19:55.730 That was so stupid. 00:19:55.730 --> 00:19:58.920 I don't know if that's just been poorly made or what, 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.430 but that was so not clear. 00:20:01.430 --> 00:20:03.870 The way she's like, yeah, boyfriend troubles, 00:20:03.870 --> 00:20:06.520 and then out of nowhere, out of the sky-- 00:20:06.520 --> 00:20:07.353 - Mm-hmm. 00:20:07.353 --> 00:20:09.064 - He responds with oh, girlfriend troubles, 00:20:09.064 --> 00:20:11.583 and then she doesn't confirm it! 00:20:11.583 --> 00:20:13.520 And then she goes on to talk really, 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:15.360 in a really obscure way. 00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:17.610 - Generic way about my family is normal. 00:20:17.610 --> 00:20:19.170 - Yeah, and it's like-- - And like-- 00:20:19.170 --> 00:20:20.530 - Speaking in riddles. 00:20:20.530 --> 00:20:22.370 - And I think that, again, this is one of those ones 00:20:22.370 --> 00:20:24.873 that this is a family movie. 00:20:25.708 --> 00:20:27.417 So it'd be like tweenagers would be watching this, 00:20:27.417 --> 00:20:31.040 and I don't think that if they'd've seen this, 00:20:31.040 --> 00:20:33.600 it's like, oh, it's kind of revolutionary 00:20:33.600 --> 00:20:34.500 that we even get the mention 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:37.410 of possibly girlfriend troubles in here, cool. 00:20:37.410 --> 00:20:39.950 But actually commit, especially because she's given 00:20:39.950 --> 00:20:41.780 a straight answer to the boyfriend troubles question, 00:20:41.780 --> 00:20:43.520 and especially because this doesn't then become 00:20:43.520 --> 00:20:44.855 a coming out story. 00:20:44.855 --> 00:20:46.410 Like it's not like this is just one scene 00:20:46.410 --> 00:20:49.000 that eventually becomes this coming out thing, 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.470 and I think that, I get that people might be like, 00:20:51.470 --> 00:20:53.430 oh, well, they thought this would be the first 00:20:53.430 --> 00:20:54.730 in a number of Power Rangers movies, 00:20:54.730 --> 00:20:56.330 and maybe she'd come out in the later one, 00:20:56.330 --> 00:20:59.860 but I do think that with the context of queerbaiting, 00:20:59.860 --> 00:21:03.450 you can't just hint at nothing in the first one, 00:21:03.450 --> 00:21:05.080 because it's just as easy for you to be like, 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:06.620 oh, that didn't test well, so we'll just gonna, 00:21:06.620 --> 00:21:08.581 it's great, 'cause now for the second one, 00:21:08.581 --> 00:21:09.414 we can just not have that bit in there. 00:21:09.414 --> 00:21:12.200 - Yeah, it's frustrating, because they are trying 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.050 to take a step forward in the right direction, 00:21:15.050 --> 00:21:17.010 and I do have an appreciation for that, 00:21:17.010 --> 00:21:21.560 but it's like, it's just been done so badly 00:21:21.560 --> 00:21:24.620 and so, they're being so safe with it. 00:21:24.620 --> 00:21:26.730 - And the thing about not liking labels, 00:21:26.730 --> 00:21:29.770 that annoys me so much, because there is nothing wrong 00:21:29.770 --> 00:21:31.980 with someone not wanting to label their sexuality, 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:34.010 but to do that as representation, 00:21:34.010 --> 00:21:35.020 and to get away with it by being like, 00:21:35.020 --> 00:21:35.870 oh, she doesn't like labels, 00:21:35.870 --> 00:21:36.850 so therefore, we don't have to-- 00:21:36.850 --> 00:21:37.740 - So we're not gonna say it, uh-oh. 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:39.730 - I'm like, just because you don't like labels 00:21:39.730 --> 00:21:41.410 doesn't mean you can't articulate yourself. 00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:43.420 It doesn't mean you can't have discussions with people, 00:21:43.420 --> 00:21:45.480 can't be open with people, can't, 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:47.040 or even if it's a closed-off character, 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:49.960 have, as part of her character arc, 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.700 have her trust someone, her have an actual conversation, 00:21:52.700 --> 00:21:54.619 'cause you can still explain in sentence, 00:21:54.619 --> 00:21:58.020 so I'm confused about this, and I kinda feel this way 00:21:58.020 --> 00:21:59.460 for someone, but not for anyone else. 00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:01.140 I don't wanna label it with a particular word-- 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:02.840 - This is how I feel, yeah. 00:22:02.840 --> 00:22:05.860 - Like not liking labels doesn't mean you just don't 00:22:05.860 --> 00:22:08.260 use words ever to describe anything. 00:22:08.260 --> 00:22:10.000 It just means that there's not a particular label 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.947 that suits you that's like, gay, straight, bi. 00:22:11.947 --> 00:22:13.100 - Yeah. - And that's fine. 00:22:13.100 --> 00:22:14.960 I do think that, as much as possible right now, 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:15.950 with the representation we have, 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:17.523 we should be using labels, 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.250 or at least having those labels be discussed 00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:23.510 and offered up as options, and then it's like-- 00:22:23.510 --> 00:22:24.472 - And then if you don't-- 00:22:24.472 --> 00:22:25.547 - Explicitly saying what, how you feel, 00:22:25.547 --> 00:22:27.930 and not just being like, are you gay, straight, bi? 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:29.440 And them being like, I don't like labels, 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.015 and saying nothing else about it. 00:22:31.015 --> 00:22:32.514 - (laughing) And then moving on. 00:22:32.514 --> 00:22:33.470 - 'Cause that's not how that works. 00:22:33.470 --> 00:22:34.900 - Yeah, no, not at all. 00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:37.090 - So you ready? 00:22:37.090 --> 00:22:37.923 - I have-- 00:22:37.923 --> 00:22:39.980 - Here we go, the grand fucking finale, 00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:41.300 these two clips. 00:22:41.300 --> 00:22:42.893 So we're gonna start with, 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:45.440 do you want to start with Beauty and the Beast 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.640 or do you want to start with How to Train Your Dragon 2? 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.790 - I have heard so much about the Beauty and the Beast thing. 00:22:50.790 --> 00:22:51.623 - Okay, here we go. 00:22:51.623 --> 00:22:53.070 - That I've not seen it. 00:22:53.070 --> 00:22:54.970 I'm, oh, I know it's gonna make me angry. 00:22:54.970 --> 00:22:57.008 - Okay, right, you ready for it? 00:22:57.008 --> 00:22:57.841 - Yup. 00:22:57.841 --> 00:22:59.758 - Are you ready for it? 00:23:00.853 --> 00:23:03.265 ♪ Song as old as rhyme ♪ 00:23:03.265 --> 00:23:06.760 ♪ Beauty and the Beast ♪ 00:23:06.760 --> 00:23:07.720 - That was it. 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.917 - That was it? - That was it. 00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:14.085 - Wow. 00:23:14.085 --> 00:23:16.462 (Rowan chuckling and clapping) 00:23:16.462 --> 00:23:18.370 Oh, that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. 00:23:18.370 --> 00:23:21.820 All that hype, all that hype about this movie 00:23:21.820 --> 00:23:25.813 having a gay scene, we get what, a second? 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:28.370 - And the thing is, I get the idea 00:23:28.370 --> 00:23:29.850 that it might've been like, 00:23:29.850 --> 00:23:31.800 the director has a throwaway comment in an interview 00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:33.233 where he's like, oh, yeah, we have this sort of gay moment 00:23:33.233 --> 00:23:35.419 that we inserted in there, and they're like, 00:23:35.419 --> 00:23:36.440 ooh, it got blown out of proportion by the press, 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.810 but I'm like, you have to know, if you're making Disney, 00:23:38.810 --> 00:23:41.140 this was the only representation of LGBT people 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:45.100 that the Disney Studio made the entire year of 2017. 00:23:45.100 --> 00:23:46.710 This guy just put the report out. 00:23:46.710 --> 00:23:47.990 There was no other representation 00:23:47.990 --> 00:23:50.190 and that was what counted as representation. 00:23:51.352 --> 00:23:56.352 - (sighing) It just, it literally leaves me speechless. 00:23:56.990 --> 00:23:58.940 That's so frustrating. 00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:00.680 That's so unbelievably frustrating. 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:02.060 It's not even noticeable. 00:24:02.060 --> 00:24:03.840 Like people, what we've gotta remember 00:24:03.840 --> 00:24:06.580 is when we do things like this, when we do reaction videos 00:24:06.580 --> 00:24:07.810 and when we talk about things like this, 00:24:07.810 --> 00:24:09.930 in the context of what we're talking about it, 00:24:09.930 --> 00:24:11.360 you're really looking out for it, 00:24:11.360 --> 00:24:13.370 and you're really studying every single scene. 00:24:13.370 --> 00:24:15.120 That's not how people consume content. 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:15.953 - No. 00:24:15.953 --> 00:24:18.300 - We don't listen intently to every single thing. 00:24:18.300 --> 00:24:19.133 - You don't watch every single-- 00:24:19.133 --> 00:24:21.360 - We don't watch every little scene. 00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:23.390 If I was watching that, I'm pretty sure 00:24:23.390 --> 00:24:25.080 I wouldn't have even noticed. 00:24:25.080 --> 00:24:26.950 - Especially with this song. 00:24:26.950 --> 00:24:28.880 I can guarantee you if I was listening to this 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:29.713 and didn't know about it, 00:24:29.713 --> 00:24:32.023 I'd be fucking like belting this song. 00:24:32.023 --> 00:24:33.110 (Calum laughing) I wouldn't be like, 00:24:33.110 --> 00:24:34.660 looking at the screen to be like, oh, it's a dance. 00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:35.840 Let's see who's dancing with each other. 00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:36.992 I would be like, 00:24:36.992 --> 00:24:38.419 ♪ Beauty and the ♪ 00:24:38.419 --> 00:24:41.760 Like really intensely, so yeah, no, completely agreed. 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:42.980 - In the bin, in the bin. 00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:44.140 Do better, Disney. 00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:46.720 - Yeah, this is from How to Train Your Dragon 2. 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.750 - I can, wait, before you play this, 00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:52.070 I can already see that the timestamp for this video is, 00:24:52.070 --> 00:24:53.103 it's four seconds. 00:24:54.260 --> 00:24:56.260 So very excited for this representation. 00:24:56.260 --> 00:24:58.780 - So this was also announced previous to the film. 00:24:58.780 --> 00:25:03.760 This, I think, was actually the first film-based version 00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.610 of this trend we're seeing, 00:25:05.610 --> 00:25:07.260 where it got announced beforehand. 00:25:07.260 --> 00:25:09.223 This was the first one that I was aware of. 00:25:11.070 --> 00:25:13.010 - This is why I never married. 00:25:13.010 --> 00:25:14.693 This and one other reason. 00:25:16.144 --> 00:25:17.433 - That's it. 00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:20.158 Do you wanna see, 00:25:20.158 --> 00:25:20.991 I don't know if you missed that. 00:25:20.991 --> 00:25:21.824 Do you want it again? (Calum laughing) 00:25:21.824 --> 00:25:22.657 - This is why I never married. 00:25:22.657 --> 00:25:23.490 - It's why I never married. 00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:25.540 - That and one other reason. 00:25:25.540 --> 00:25:27.140 - That was it, that was the entire. 00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:28.750 - Side eye, apparently-- 00:25:28.750 --> 00:25:30.110 - That was the entire thing. 00:25:30.110 --> 00:25:34.240 - Apparently side eye now counts as LGBT+ representation. 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:36.760 - This is the main character, Hiccup. 00:25:36.760 --> 00:25:40.100 This is his random dad's mate. 00:25:40.100 --> 00:25:41.830 They are looking, in the context of this scene, 00:25:41.830 --> 00:25:43.150 they are looking at Hiccup's parents, 00:25:43.150 --> 00:25:44.080 who have just reunited. 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:45.606 - Ah. - After years and years apart. 00:25:45.606 --> 00:25:47.010 And I think they're like, 00:25:47.010 --> 00:25:48.627 I can't even remember what the parents are doing, 00:25:48.627 --> 00:25:49.770 if the parents are arguing or they're being weird 00:25:49.770 --> 00:25:51.010 or they're being gross or something, 00:25:51.010 --> 00:25:55.070 and Gober, Goober, whatever the fuck his name is, 00:25:55.070 --> 00:25:57.970 that pioneer of LGBT representation, 00:25:57.970 --> 00:26:00.880 is basically saying to him, about them being gross, 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:02.310 this is why I never married. 00:26:02.310 --> 00:26:04.560 Oh, this, and one other reason. 00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:07.793 The one other reason, apparently, being that he's gay. 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.150 - Because you can take, 00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:12.087 you can really read that from this scene, 00:26:12.087 --> 00:26:14.403 'cause he looks to the right for one moment. 00:26:15.370 --> 00:26:16.430 - This is one of those ones, 00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:18.270 I think there are some of these where you're like, 00:26:18.270 --> 00:26:19.189 do you know what? 00:26:19.189 --> 00:26:22.020 We might see two men dancing and be like, oh, 00:26:22.020 --> 00:26:24.088 that, we understand what gay people are, 00:26:24.088 --> 00:26:26.010 and therefore, be like, oh, dancing with a man, okay, 00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:26.843 blah, blah, blah. 00:26:26.843 --> 00:26:29.220 This, not even that kids won't understand it, 00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:31.766 genuinely, you didn't understand it. 00:26:31.766 --> 00:26:32.599 We're here. 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:33.983 - And we watched it multiple times. 00:26:33.983 --> 00:26:35.088 - Talking about it. 00:26:35.088 --> 00:26:36.370 You understand the context of this. 00:26:36.370 --> 00:26:38.991 I would never have known if I hadn't have been 00:26:38.991 --> 00:26:42.270 reading all the gay media that was talking about this film. 00:26:42.270 --> 00:26:43.582 I would have no idea. 00:26:43.582 --> 00:26:45.580 - That is so stupid, and also, 00:26:45.580 --> 00:26:48.027 can I just add one final thing to this? 00:26:48.027 --> 00:26:48.860 - Mm-hmm. 00:26:48.860 --> 00:26:51.780 - Is that the reason that he never married 00:26:51.780 --> 00:26:54.390 is because he's gay? 00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:55.363 - Yes, that is-- 00:26:55.363 --> 00:26:58.441 - Because that is also a great message to send out there. 00:26:58.441 --> 00:27:00.890 - Mm-hmm. - That's just brilliant. 00:27:00.890 --> 00:27:02.470 - I mean, they live in a Viking society, 00:27:02.470 --> 00:27:04.360 but it's also Viking society with dragons-- 00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:07.700 - So you know, could change thing up a bit. 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:09.500 - In the movie, I remember watching this scene, 00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:13.240 and thinking, oh, this is the first hint of what's to come. 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:14.073 - And then nothing. 00:27:14.073 --> 00:27:15.963 - And then that was it, that was the whole thing. 00:27:16.910 --> 00:27:18.370 - I hate this. 00:27:18.370 --> 00:27:21.090 - I hate everything we had to do tonight. 00:27:21.090 --> 00:27:24.290 - This is worse than just not having a gay character. 00:27:24.290 --> 00:27:25.123 You know? - Mm-hmm, absolutely. 00:27:25.123 --> 00:27:28.880 - Like that does not count in any way, shape or form. 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:29.713 - Mm-mm. 00:27:29.713 --> 00:27:31.120 - I just, in the trash with this. 00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:32.647 - In the trash with all of that. 00:27:32.647 --> 00:27:34.070 - In the trash with all of it, honestly. 00:27:34.070 --> 00:27:35.840 - So I'm very sorry to have put you through that 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:38.750 extremely stressful situation that we just had to go through 00:27:38.750 --> 00:27:39.970 and watch all of that trash. 00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:41.640 - I feel like I need to sit down and watch 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.928 a load of LGBT+ movies now. 00:27:43.928 --> 00:27:45.080 - Yeah, actual representation. 00:27:45.080 --> 00:27:48.490 - With actual queer people existing. 00:27:48.490 --> 00:27:50.159 - They have those? 00:27:50.159 --> 00:27:51.383 If you wanna have a chat about it, 00:27:51.383 --> 00:27:53.700 have a chat in the comments, we'll be there, 00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:55.954 or just on all of our social media. 00:27:55.954 --> 00:27:57.352 The links will be in the description. 00:27:57.352 --> 00:27:58.185 - Yay! 00:27:58.185 --> 00:27:59.430 - So until I see you next time, 00:27:59.430 --> 00:28:00.640 bye! - See ya!