Math is forever
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0:01 - 0:06Can you imagine,
you're in a bar, or a disco, -
0:06 - 0:09and you start talking to a girl,
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0:10 - 0:15and after a while this question come up:
"So, what do you do for work?" -
0:15 - 0:18And since you think
your job is interesting you say: -
0:18 - 0:20"I'm a mathematician."
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0:20 - 0:22(Laughter)
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0:22 - 0:2633.51 % of girls,
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0:26 - 0:27(Laughter)
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0:27 - 0:31in that moment, pretend
to get an urgent call and leave. -
0:31 - 0:32(Laughter)
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0:32 - 0:36And 64.69 % of girls
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0:36 - 0:40desperately try to change the topic and leave.
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0:40 - 0:41(Laughter)
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0:41 - 0:44There's a 0.8 % made up by your cousin,
your girlfriend and your mother, -
0:44 - 0:46(Laughter)
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0:46 - 0:50who know that you work in something weird
but don't remember what it is. (Laughter) -
0:50 - 0:53And there is 1 %
that actually follows the conversation. -
0:53 - 0:55When that conversation happens,
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0:55 - 0:59at some point, invariably,
one of these two phrases come up: -
0:59 - 1:03A: "I was terrible at math,
but it wasn't my fault, -
1:03 - 1:06it's that the teacher
was horrendous." (Laughter) -
1:06 - 1:09And B: "But what is math really for?"
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1:09 - 1:10(Laughter)
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1:10 - 1:12I'll deal with case B.
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1:12 - 1:14(Laughter)
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1:14 - 1:18When someone asks you what math is for,
they're not asking you -
1:18 - 1:21about the application
of mathematical science. -
1:21 - 1:24They're asking you:
"And why did I have to study -
1:24 - 1:26that bullshit I never used
again in my life?" (Laughter) -
1:26 - 1:29That's what they're actually asking.
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1:29 - 1:33So when mathematicians
are asked what math is for, -
1:33 - 1:35they tend to split into two groups.
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1:35 - 1:4154.51 % of mathematicians
will take an attacking posture -
1:42 - 1:47and 44.77 % of mathematicians
will take a defensive posture. -
1:47 - 1:50There's a strange 0.8 %,
among which I include myself. -
1:50 - 1:52Who are the ones that attack?
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1:52 - 1:55The attacking ones are mathematicians
who would tell you: -
1:55 - 1:57"This question makes no sense,
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1:57 - 2:00because mathematics
have a meaning on their own-- -
2:00 - 2:02a beautiful edifice with its own logic--
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2:02 - 2:04and that there's no use
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2:04 - 2:07in constantly searching
for possible applications. -
2:07 - 2:09What's the use of poetry?
What's the use of love? -
2:09 - 2:12What's the use of life itself?
What kind of question is that?" -
2:12 - 2:14(Laughter)
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2:14 - 2:17Hardy, for instance, is a prime example
for this type of attack. -
2:17 - 2:19And those who stand in defense tell you:
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2:19 - 2:24"Even if you don't notice it, dear,
math is behind everything." -
2:24 - 2:26(Laughter)
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2:26 - 2:28They always--
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2:28 - 2:32always name bridges and computers.
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2:32 - 2:34"If you don't know math,
your bridge falls off." -
2:34 - 2:36(Laughter)
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2:36 - 2:39In reality, computers are all about math.
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2:39 - 2:41Now, these guys always happen to tell you
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2:41 - 2:46that behind information security
and credit cards are prime numbers. -
2:47 - 2:50These are the answers your math teacher
would give you if you asked him-- -
2:50 - 2:53the defensive ones.
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2:53 - 2:54Okay, but, who's right then?
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2:54 - 2:57Those who say math
doesn't need to be useful at all, -
2:57 - 3:00or those who say
that it's really behind everything? -
3:00 - 3:02Actually, both are right.
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3:02 - 3:03But remember I told you
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3:03 - 3:07I belong to that strange 0.8 %
claiming something else. -
3:07 - 3:10So, go ahead, ask me what math is for.
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3:10 - 3:13Audience: What is math for?
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3:13 - 3:17Okay, so 76.34 % of you
asked the question, -
3:18 - 3:2123.41 % didn't say anything,
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3:21 - 3:22and 0.8 %--
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3:22 - 3:25not sure what those guys were doing.
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3:25 - 3:27Well, dear 76.31 %
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3:29 - 3:33it's true that math can be useless,
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3:33 - 3:36it's true that it's
a beautiful edification, a logical one, -
3:36 - 3:39probably one
of the greatest collective effort -
3:39 - 3:41the human race
has ever achieved in history. -
3:41 - 3:43But it's also true that there,
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3:43 - 3:47where scientists and technicians
are looking for mathematical theories, -
3:47 - 3:50models that allow them to advance,
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3:50 - 3:54they are in the edification of math,
which permeates everything. -
3:54 - 3:57It's true that we have to go
somewhat deeper, -
3:57 - 3:58to see what's behind science.
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3:58 - 4:02Science is based on intuition, creativity.
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4:02 - 4:06Math dominates intuition
and tames creativity. -
4:07 - 4:10Almost everyone
who hasn't heard it before -
4:10 - 4:13is surprised by the fact that if one took
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4:13 - 4:16a sheet of paper 0.1 mm thick,
one of those we use normally, -
4:16 - 4:19big enough, and that I
could fold 50 times, -
4:19 - 4:25The thickness of that pile would take up
the distance from the Earth to the Sun. -
4:25 - 4:30Your intuition tells you: "Impossible."
Do the math and you'll see it's right. -
4:30 - 4:32That's what math is for.
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4:32 - 4:36It true that science, all science,
not only has a purpose -
4:36 - 4:40because it makes us understand better
the beautiful would we're in. -
4:40 - 4:43And because it does, it helps us
avoid the traps -
4:43 - 4:45of this painful world
we're in. -
4:45 - 4:48There are sciences that grasp
this very application. -
4:48 - 4:50Oncological science, for example.
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4:50 - 4:53And there are others we look
from afar, with some jealousy sometimes, -
4:54 - 4:56but knowing we are what supports them.
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4:56 - 4:59All the basic sciences
are the support of them, -
4:59 - 5:01and among these is math.
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5:01 - 5:05All that makes science be science
is the rigor of math. -
5:05 - 5:10And that rigor belongs to it
because its results are eternal. -
5:10 - 5:12Probably you said before,
or you were told sometime, -
5:12 - 5:15that diamonds are
forever, right? -
5:16 - 5:19It depends on what one
understands by forever! -
5:19 - 5:23A theorem, that really
is forever! (Laughter) -
5:23 - 5:26The Pythagorean theorem,
that is still true -
5:26 - 5:29even if Pythagoras is dead,
I'm telling you. (Laughter) -
5:29 - 5:33Even if the world collapsed the
Pythagorean theorem would still be true. -
5:33 - 5:39Wherever any two sides and a
good hypotenuse get together (Laughter) -
5:39 - 5:49the Pythagorean theorem works
to the max. (Applause) -
5:49 - 5:52Well, us mathematicians
devote ourselves to making theorems. -
5:52 - 5:56Eternal truths. But it isn't always
easy to know what is an -
5:56 - 5:59eternal truth, a theorem, and
what is a mere conjecture. -
5:59 - 6:03You need a demonstration.
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6:03 - 6:09For example: imagine you have
a big, enormous, infinite field. -
6:09 - 6:13I want to cover it with equal pieces,
without leaving any gaps. -
6:13 - 6:15I could use squares, right?
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6:15 - 6:20I could use triangles.
Not circles, those leave little gaps. -
6:20 - 6:22Which is the best piece I can use?
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6:22 - 6:26The one that to cover the same surface
has the smallest border. -
6:26 - 6:31Pappus of Alexandria, in the year 300
said the best was to use hexagons, -
6:31 - 6:35like bees do.
But he didn't demonstrate it! -
6:35 - 6:38The guy said "hexagons, great,
come on, hexagons, let's go with it!" -
6:38 - 6:41He didn't demonstrate it, he stayed
in a conjecture, he said "Hexagons!" -
6:41 - 6:45And the world, as you know, split into
pappists and anti-pappists, -
6:45 - 6:51until 1700 years later,
1700 years later, -
6:51 - 6:57in 1999 Thomas Hales
demonstrated that Pappus -
6:57 - 7:01and the bees were right,
the best was to use hexagons. -
7:01 - 7:04And that became a theorem,
the honeycomb theory, -
7:04 - 7:06that will be true forever
forever and ever, -
7:06 - 7:09for longer than any diamond
you may have. (Laughter) -
7:09 - 7:12But what happens if we go to 3 dimensions?
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7:12 - 7:17If I want to fill the space, with equal
pieces, without leaving any gaps, -
7:17 - 7:19I can use cubes, right?
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7:19 - 7:23Not spheres, those leave little gaps.
(Laughter) -
7:23 - 7:26What is the best piece
I can use? -
7:26 - 7:31Lord Kelvin, the one of the Kelvin degrees
and all said, he said -
7:31 - 7:38that the best was to use a
truncated octahedron (Laughter) -
7:38 - 7:49that as you all know (Laughter)
is this thing over here! (Applause) -
7:49 - 7:54Come on! Who doesn't have a truncated
octahedron at home? (Laughter) -
7:54 - 7:57Even if it's plastic. Kid, bring
the truncated octahedron, we have guests. -
7:57 - 8:01Everybody has one! (Laughter)
But Kelvin didn't demonstrate it. -
8:01 - 8:06He stayed in a conjecture,
Kelvin's conjecture. -
8:06 - 8:12The world, as you know, split between
kelvinists and anti-kelvinists (Laughter) -
8:12 - 8:19until a hundred-and-something years later,
a hundred-and-something years later, -
8:19 - 8:24someone found a better structure.
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8:24 - 8:29Weaire and Phelan, Weaire and Phelan
found this little thing over here, -
8:29 - 8:35(Laughter) this structure they put the
imaginative name of -
8:35 - 8:39the Weaire-Phelan structure. (Laughter)
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8:39 - 8:41It seems like a strange thing
but it isn't that strange, -
8:41 - 8:43it's also present in nature.
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8:43 - 8:47It's very curious that this structure,
because of its geometric properties, -
8:47 - 8:51was used to build
the swimming building -
8:51 - 8:54in the Beijing Olympic Games.
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8:54 - 8:57There Michael Phelps won
8 gold medals, and became -
8:57 - 9:00the best swimmer of all times.
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9:00 - 9:03Well, of all times
until someone better comes along, no? -
9:03 - 9:06As it happens to the
Weaire-Phelan structure, -
9:06 - 9:08it's the best until something better
shows up. -
9:09 - 9:13But be careful, because this one
really has the opportunity, -
9:13 - 9:18that if a hundred-and-something years
pass, even if it's in 1700 years, -
9:18 - 9:24someone demonstrates that this
is the best piece possible. -
9:24 - 9:28And then it will be a theorem,
a truth forever, forever and ever. -
9:28 - 9:32For longer than any diamond.
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9:32 - 9:40So, well, if you want to tell someone
you'll love them forever (Laughter) -
9:40 - 9:42you can give them a diamond,
but if you want to tell them -
9:42 - 9:48that you'll love them forever and ever,
give them a theorem! (Laughter) -
9:48 - 9:53However, you'll have to demonstrate,
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9:53 - 9:56that your love doesn't stay a conjecture.
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9:56 - 10:00(Applause)
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10:02 - 10:05Thank you.
- Title:
- Math is forever
- Speaker:
- Eduardo Saenz de Cabezon
- Description:
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Mathematician Eduardo Sáenz de Cabezón answers a question that’s wracked the brains of bored students the world over: What is math for? With humor and charm, he shows the beauty of math as the backbone of science — and shows that theorems, not diamonds, are forever.
- Video Language:
- Spanish
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 10:14
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