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[Man] I was the first one to be
picked up, so they put me in a cell
-
they locked me in there
-
in this degrading little outfit.
-
[Guard] Hey! I don't want anybody laughing!
-
My way is the rule!
-
[unintelligible yelling]
-
[Man] I've gotta go to a doctor, anything.
-
[Man] Jesus Christ, I'm burning up inside dontcha know!
-
I want out!
-
I want out now!
-
[Man] I've never screamed
so loud in my life,
-
never been so upset in my life.
-
It was an experience of
being out of control.
-
[Man] I just fucking can't take it.
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[Narrator] Stanford University,
Northern California.
-
One of America's most
prestigious academic institutions
-
and in 1971, the scene of one
of the most notorious experiments
-
in the history of psychology.
-
[Zimbardo] I was interested in what happens
if you put good people in an evil place.
-
Does the situation outside of you, the
institution, come to control your behavior
-
or does the things inside of you,
-
your attitudes, your values, your morality
-
allow you to rise above
a negative environment?
-
[Narrator] The negative environment
Zimbardo chose to test his ideas,
-
was a prison.
-
He would convert the basement of
the university psychology department
-
into a subterranean jail.
-
[Zimbardo] We put prison doors
on each of three office cells.
-
In the cells, it was
nothing but three beds
-
and there was actually very little room for
anything else because they're very small.
-
And here we had solitary confinement,
which we call "the hole."
-
And in the hole was where the prisoners
would be put for punishment.
-
It was a very very small area.
-
When you close the door,
it was totally dark.
-
All the guards wore
military uniforms
-
and we had them wear these
silver reflecting sunglasses.
-
And what it does is,
you can't see someone's eyes
-
and that loses some the
humanness, the humanity.
-
In general, we wanted to
create a sense of power.
-
That the guards as a category, are
people who have power over others.
-
And in this case,
power over the prisoners.
-
[Narrator] A decade earlier,
-
psychologist Stanley Milgrim had also
looked at how we respond to authority.
-
In order to understand how people were
induced to obey unjust regimes
-
and participate in atrocities such as
the holocaust, he set up an experiment.
-
Volunteers were told they were taking part
in scientific research to improve memory.
-
[Experimenter] Would you open those and
tell me which of you is which please?
-
[First man] Teacher.
[Second man] Learner.
-
[Narrator] Separated by a screen,
-
the teacher would ask the
learner questions in a word game
-
and administer an electric shock
when the answer was incorrect.
-
He was told to increase the
voltage with each wrong answer.
-
[Teacher] Cloud, horse,
rock, or house? Answer?
-
[buzz]
[Teacher] Wrong.
-
150 volts.
Answer: horse.
-
[Learner] Ow! That's all! Get me out
of here! Get me out of here, please!
-
[Experimenter] Continue please.
[teacher gesturing, unsure]
-
[Learner] I refuse to go on! Let me out!
-
[Experimenter] The experiment requires
you continue, teacher. Please continue.
-
[Narrator] Participants didn't know
that the learner was really an actor
-
and the so-called shocks, were harmless.
-
[Teacher] Now you'll
get a shock. 180 volts.
-
[Learner] Ow! I can't stand
the pain, let me out of here!
-
[Teacher] He can't stand the pain,
I'm not going to kill that man.
-
Who's going to take the responsibility if
anything happens to that gentleman?
-
[Experimenter] I'm responsible for
anything that happens here. Continue please.
-
[Teacher] Alright, next one.
Slow, walk, dance, truck, music.
-
[Narrator] 2/3 of volunteers were prepared to
administer potentially fatal electric shock
-
when encouraged to do so by what they
perceived to be a legitimate authority figure.
-
In this case, a man in a white coat.
-
[Teacher] 375 volts. I think something's
happened to that fellow in there.
-
I got no answer, he was
hollering at all this voltage.
-
Can you check him to see
if he's alright please?
-
[Narrator] Milgrim's
findings horrified America.
-
They showed that decent American citizens
were as capable of committing acts
-
against their conscious
-
as the Germans had been under the Nazis.
-
Like Milgrim, Zimbardo was interested
-
in the power of social situations
to overwhelm individuals.
-
His experiment would test people's
responses to an oppressive regime.
-
Would they accept it?
Or act against it?
-
Zimbardo's experiment was conducted
against a backdrop of Civil Rights activism
-
and protests against the Vietnam war.
-
[Zimbardo] It was a sense of
student power, student dominance
-
and student rebellion
against authority in general.
-
[Narrator] It was from the student body
Zimbardo selected his participants.
-
After passing tests, to screen out
anyone with a psychological abnormality,
-
they were paid $15 a day.
-
Each was randomly assigned
the role of guard or prisoner.
-
[Man] It was a prison to me,
it still is a prison to me.
-
I don't look at it as an
experiment or a simulation.
-
It was just a prison that was run by
psychologists instead of run by the state.
-
[Ramsay] I was 20, and that
September I was going to college.
-
And it would be nice to have a summer job,
but there sure wasn't a lot of time left.
-
And I looked in the want ads and I found
this thing which was just going to fit.
-
It was just two weeks.
-
[Man] You put a uniform on,
and are given a job
-
to keep these people in line.
-
You really become that person once
you put on that khaki uniform,
-
you put on the glasses,
you take the nightstick.
-
[Eshleman] I was on summer
break from my first year of college
-
and I was looking for a job.
-
Had to chose between
that or making pizzas.
-
And that sounded like a lot more fun.
-
[Narrator] As well as running the experiment,
-
Zimbardo took on the role
of prison superintendent.
-
He began by briefing the guards.
-
[Zimbardo] I said, "We have to
maintain law and order.
-
"If prisoners escape, the study is over.
And you can't use physical violence."
-
[Zimbardo] You can
create a sense of fear in them.
-
You can create a notion that their
life is totally in control by us.
-
There will be constant surveillance,
-
we have total power of the
situation and they have none.
-
[Narrator] Prisoners were
brought to the basement prison,
-
blindfolded to confuse them
about their whereabouts.
-
They were stripped and deloused.
-
[Zimbardo] of course the guards
started making fun of their genitals
-
and humiliating them and really it starts
what's known as a degradation process.
-
Which not only prisons, but lots of
military type outfits use that process.
-
[Prisoner ] When I first got there,
even though I had to strip,
-
and they would call me names, I still
didn't feel at all like it was a prison.
-
I just looked at it like a job.
-
[Eshleman] I recall sort of walking
up and down the very short hallway,
-
which was the prison hall
and looking in on the prisoners.
-
And they're basically lounging
around on their beds.
-
I felt it was like
a day in summer camp.
-
[Zimbardo] The first day I said,
-
"This might be a very long
and very boring experiment,"
-
because it's conceivable
nothing will ever happen.
-
[Eshleman] I arrived independently
at the conclusion
-
that this experiment must
have been put together
-
to prove a point about prisons
being a cruel and inhumane place.
-
And therefore, I would do my part,
to help those results come about.
-
I was a confrontational and
arrogant 18 year old at the time
-
and I said "somebody outta
stir things up a bit here."
-
[Prisoner] Fuck this experiment
and fuck that Zimbardo!
-
[Narrator] On the second morning,
prisoners decided to stir things up as well.
-
The guards found some of them had used
their beds to barricade their cell.
-
Prisoner 8612 was one of the
ring leaders of the rebellion.
-
[yelling] ...Fucking simulation! It's a fucking simulated experiment!
-
[Indistinct yelling]
-
[Zimbardo] Initially I was stunned.
-
I didn't expect a rebellion
because not much happened.
-
And it wasn't clear what
they were rebelling against,
-
but they were rebelling against the status,
-
rebelling against being anonymous,
-
against having to follow orders
from these other students.
-
[Narrator] As punishment for the rebellion,
-
prisoner 8612 was put in the hole and
the guards turned on the other prisoners.
-
[Zimbardo] The guards felt that they
now had to up the ante of being tough.
-
The prisoners made the mistake of
beginning to use profanity against the guards
-
in a very personalized way.
-
So not against the guards, but now
"you little punk" "you big shit" and stuff.
-
And the guards got furious.
-
[Guard] Everybody up! Everybody get up!
-
Well gentlemen, here
it is time for count.
-
[Narrator] Prisoners were repeatedly
woken in the middle of the night.
-
The guards made them
do menial physical tasks
-
and clean out toilets
with their bare hands.
-
[Eshleman] We made it a point not
to give them any sense of comfort
-
or what to expect.
-
Anything could happen to them at any time,
-
including being rousted from
their sleep at any hour.
-
And forced to stand up in a line
and have me hurl insults at them
-
and make them do exercises.
-
When you interrupt people's sleep,
they tend to become a little disoriented.
-
And since there was no daylight in the prison,
they had no idea whether it was night or day.
-
I think that I was the instigator of this
-
whole schedule of harrassment.
-
[Narrator] The harassment of the guards
took it's toll on rebellion leader 8612.
-
He told Zimbardo he wanted
to leave the experiment.
-
Zimbardo responded not as a psychologist
but as a prison superintendent.
-
[Zimbardo] I said, "Well, I can see to it
the guards don't hassle you personally
-
and in return all I would like
is some information from time to time
-
about what the prisoners are doing."
-
So essentially I'm saying "I'd
like you to be a snitch, an informant."
-
And I said "think it over and
if you still want to leave, fine."
-
[Narrator] Confused, prisoner
8612 returned to his cell
-
and told the other prisoners
that no one could leave.
-
[Zimbardo] He believed we wouldn't
let him go, although we never said that.
-
But the fact that he was the
ring leader of the rebellion
-
and he told the other prisoners
"they won't let you leave,"
-
that really transformed the
experiment into a prison.
-
[Prisoner] I was told I couldn't quit. And
at that point, I just felt totally hopeless.
-
More hopeless than I
had ever felt before.
-
[Narrator] Soon after returning to his cell,
-
prisoner 8612 started showing
signs of severe distress.
-
[Prisoner 8612] Goddammit. Fucked up!
You don't know, you don't know.
-
I mean, God, I mean Jesus Christ,
I'm burning up inside, don't you know?
-
[Zimbardo] He came up with a
plan that if he acted crazy,
-
we would have to release him.
-
[Prisoner 8612] I feel fucked up inside,
I feel really fucked up inside. You don't know.
-
I gotta go to a doctor, anything.
I can't stay here, I'm fucked up.
-
I don't know how to explain it,
I'm fucked up inside! And I want out!
-
[Zimbardo] It starts with make-believe and
then he's doing it and cursing and screaming.
-
You know, whatever that little
boundary is, he moved across,
-
not that he became really crazy,
but he became excessively disturbed.
-
So much so, we immediately said,
"We have to release him."
-
[Korpi--prisoner 8612] As an
experience, it was unique.
-
I've never screamed
so loud in my life.
-
Never been so upset in my life,
-
and it was an experience
of being out of control.
-
[Narrator] The boundary between
reality and make-believe
-
was to become blurred
even for Zimbardo.
-
A rumor circulated that released
prisoner 8612 would return with friends
-
to liberate the remaining prisoners.
-
[Zimbardo] I quickly convinced myself that
-
my most important function was not to
allow this prison liberation to occur.
-
And what could I do to keep my prison going?
-
Not the experiment going.
-
[Narrator] The prison was dismantled
-
and the prisoners were moved
another part of the building.
-
Zimbardo waited in the empty
corridor preparing to tell 8612
-
and his friends that the study was over.
-
When a colleague appeared
-
and began asking questions
about the scientific basis of the research.
-
[Zimbardo] I'm trying to get
rid of him and then he says,
-
"What's the independent variable?"
-
I got furious, because he doesn't understand
that there's a riot about to take place,
-
that this prison is about to erupt.
-
I had totally lost this whole other identity
of scientist, researcher, psychologist.
-
[Narrator] The rumored jailbreak
never materialized.
-
The guards had dismantled
the prison for nothing
-
and had to rebuild it.
-
They took their frustration
out on the prisoners.
-
[Zimbardo] They escalated
again the level of control.
-
the level of dominance,
the level of humiliating behavior.
-
[Narrator] 819 was the next prisoner to
rebel against the harassment of the guards.
-
He barricaded himself in his cell
and refused to take part in the count.
-
[Guard] You're not only
not getting cigarettes,
-
but for as long as this cell's blockaded
-
you're going to be in
solitary when you get out.
-
[Narrator] For 819's disobedience, the guards
made his cellmates do mindless work.
-
This undermined any vestige of
solidarity amongst the prisoners
-
who now chose to accept
the tyranny of the guards
-
rather than risk further harassment.
-
[Eshleman] That was one of
the surprising things to me was that
-
there was so little that the
prisoners did to support one another
-
after we started our
campaign of divide and conquer.
-
[Narrator] Isolated and
distraught, prisoner 819
-
told Zimbardo he wanted to leave.
-
[Zimbardo] While I'm interviewing
819, and saying,
-
"Okay, it's all over, thank you
for your participation.
-
I'll give you money for the whole two weeks,
even though you're leaving early."
-
He hears the prisoners
shouting: "819 did a bad thing."
-
[Prisoners] Prisoner 819 did a bad thing.
Prisoner 819 did a bad thing.
-
And he said, "I can't leave."
And he's crying.
-
And he said, "I can't leave."
-
And I said, "What do
you mean you can't leave?"
-
And he said, "No, I have to go back because
I don't want them to think I'm a bad prisoner."
-
And that's when I really flipped
out that in such a short time
-
a college student's thinking
could become so distorted.
-
I said, "You're not a bad prisoner.
-
"You're not a prisoner.
And this is not a prison."
-
And it was just this thing where
-
he opened up his eyes, really
like a cloud being lifted.
-
[Narrator] Seeing things clearly, prisoner 819
reverted to his original request and was released.
-
To replace him, the experimenters called
in one of their reserves from the standby list.
-
[Ramsay] I got a phone call saying,
"Are you still available as an alternate?"
-
Kind of a cheery, female secretary voice.
-
And I said, "Yes, sure."
-
And so she said,
"Could you start this afternoon?"
-
And I said, "Yes, sure."
-
And my role in the
experiment really began.
-
I was blindfolded and then
stripped and supposedly deloused.
-
[Zimbardo] He came into
a madhouse, full blown.
-
All of us, had gradually acclimated
to the increasing level of aggression,
-
increasing powerlessness of the prisoners,
-
increasing dominance of the guards.
-
And he comes in and says, "What's
happening here?" to the other prisoners.
-
And they said
"Yeah, you better not make trouble,
-
it's really terrible, it's a real prison."
-
And he says, "I'm out of here,
I don't want this."
-
And they said "No, you can't leave.
-
Once you're here, you're stuck.
This is a real prison."
-
[Guard] 416 put your hands in the air
or why don't you play Frankenstein?
-
293 you can be the bride of
Frankenstein, you stand here.
-
[Narrator] Prisoner 416 was soon subjected
to the harassment of Dave Eshleman,
-
nicknamed John Wayne
because of his macho attitude.
-
[Guard] 416 I want you to walk over here like
Frankenstein and say that you love 2093.
-
That ain't a Frankenstein walk!
-
[Eshleman] I made the
decision that I would be
-
as intimidating, as cold, as cruel as possible.
-
[Prisoner 416] I love you 2093.
[Guard] Get up close! Get up close!
-
[Prisoner 416] I love you 2093.
I love you 2093.
-
[Guard] You get down
here and do ten pushups!
-
[Eshleman] I had just watched
a movie called Cool Hand Luke
-
and the mean intimidating southern
prison warden character in that film
-
really was my inspiration for the
role that I created for myself.
-
[Zimbardo] He was creative in his evil.
-
He would think of very ingenious ways
to degrade, to demean the prisoners.
-
[Guard] What if I told you to get
down on that floor and fuck the floor
-
what would you do then?
-
[Zimbardo] One of the best guards,
was also on that shift
-
and instead of confronting the
bad guard, the sadistic guard
-
essentially, because he didn't
want to see what was happening,
-
he became the gofer, he went out to
get the food and things of this kind.
-
And that left the John Wayne guard and the
other guard on that shift to be dominant.
-
[One of the guards] We were
continually called upon to act
-
in a way that is contrary
to what I really feel inside.
-
Just continually giving out shit.
-
It's really just one of the
most oppressive things you can do.
-
[Guard] 416, while they do pushups,
you sing Amazing Grace.
-
Ready? Down.
-
[prisoner singing]
-
[Guard] Keep going.
-
[Narrator] The madness of the
experiment started to affect 416.
-
[prisoner singing]
-
[Guard] Keep going!
-
>>[Prisoner 416] I began feeling like, I was
losing my identity, until I wasn't Clay.
-
I was 416.
-
I was really my number and 416
was going to decide what to do.
-
[Narrator] Prisoner 416 decided
to go on a hunger strike.
-
[Ramsay] They were pushing my limits,
-
but here was the thing that I could do,
-
that could push their limits.
-
After I had missed a couple meals,
-
I saw this was not a matter
of indifference to the guards.
-
I was making headway, they were upset.
-
[Eshleman] I thought, "How dare this
newcomer come in and try to change
-
everything that we had worked
for the first three days to set up.
-
And by God, he's going to suffer for that."
-
[Narrator] Frustrated by
his continued defiance,
-
John Wayne threw prisoner 416 into the hole.
-
After punishing the other prisoners,
for his disobedience,
-
John Wayne encouraged them to
vent their anger at 416 directly.
-
[Prisoner] Thank you, 416.
[bangs on door]
-
[Guard] Ok, 209.
[Prisoner] Thank you, 416.
-
[Eshleman] We would use our nightsticks to
bang on the door and we would kick the door
-
so hard it must've shaken
him very seriously inside.
-
Scared the life out of him.
-
[Ramsay] He yelled at me, and
threatened me and actually sort of
-
smashed a sausage into my face
to try to get me to open up.
-
But I didn't have any intention
of eating until I was out.
-
[Zimbardo] 416 should've
been, at some level, a hero
-
'cause he's willing to oppose
the authority of the system.
-
In fact, the prisoners accept the guards
definition of him as a troublemaker.
-
[Eshleman] I remember some of them
saying: "Would you eat goddammit!"
-
"We're sick and tired of this."
-
And that was proof that there was no solidary,
there was no support between the prisoners.
-
[Narrator] While 416 was still in the hole,
-
John Wayne made a final
attempt to break him
-
by giving his fellow prisoners a choice.
-
They could vote to release
him by making small sacrifice.
-
[Guard] You can give me your blankets
and sleep on the bare mattress
-
or you can keep your blankets
and 416 will stay in another day.
-
What will it be?
-
[Prisoners] I'll keep my blankets.
-
[Guard] What will it be over here?
-
[Prisoners] I'll keep my blankets.
-
[Guard] How about 536?
-
[Prisoners] I'll give you my blankets
Mr. Correctional Officer.
-
[Guard] We don't want your blankets
-
[Guard] We got 3 in favor of keeping their blankets.
-
We got 3 against 1.
-
Keep your blankets.
-
416 you're going to be in there for a while,
so just get used to it.
-
[Eshleman] The study
showed that power corrupts
-
and how difficult it is for people who are the
victims of abuse to stand up and defend themselves.
-
Why doesn't anybody who is being abused
by a spouse or something like that
-
just say "stop it?"
-
And we realize now that it's
not as easy as it sounds.
-
[Narrator] By the end of the 5th day, 4
prisoners had broken down and been released.
-
416 was on the second
day of his hunger strike
-
and the experiment still had another 9 days to run.
-
At this point, a fellow psychologist
visited Zimbardo's basement prison
-
and would witness the brutality
of the experiment first hand.
-
[Zimbardo] The guards had lined up
the prisoners to go to the toilet.
-
They had bags over their heads,
chains on their feet,
-
and were marching by and I looked up.
-
And I saw this circus, this parade,
-
and I said, "Hey Chris, look at that."
-
[Christina Maslach] I looked up, and
I began to feel sick to my stomach.
-
I had this just...
chilling, sickening feeling
-
of watching this and you
know, I just turned away.
-
And I just let loose
in this emotional tyranny.
-
I just lost it.
-
I was angry, scared, I was in tears.
-
[Zimbardo] And I'm furious,
-
saying you know, we had a big argument.
-
You're supposed to
be a psychologist.
-
This is interesting dynamic behavior
and I'm going through this whole thing
-
the power of the situation.
-
And she says "No, no, it's
that young boys are suffering
-
and you're responsible.
You're letting it happen."
-
I said "Oh my god,
of course you're right."
-
[Narrator] The next day,
Zimbardo ended the experiment.
-
Studies like his stimulated heated debate
about the ethics of using human subjects.
-
[Zimbardo] Really young men
suffered verbally, physically.
-
Prisoners felt shame in their role.
-
Guards felt guilt.
-
So in that sense, it's unethical.
-
That is, nobody has the right, the power,
the privilege to do that to other people.
-
[Narrator] In the wake of experiments
like Zimbardo's and Milgrim's
-
ethical guidelines changed, introducing
greater safeguards to protect participants.
-
In the Standford experiment, Zimbardo
might have sped his volunteers distress
-
had he not taken on a dual role in the study.
-
[Zimbardo] If I was going to
be the prison superintendent,
-
I should have had a colleague
who was overseeing the experiment.
-
Who was in a position to stop it at any point.
-
Or I should've been the principal investigator
-
and get somebody who was going
to be the prison superintendent.
-
I realized that was a big mistake,
to play both those roles.
-
And by shifting back and forth.
-
[Narrator] After the experiment, Zimbardo
brought all the participants together
-
to talk about their experiences.
-
John Wayne would now come face to face
-
with the hunger striker that he had tormented.
-
[Eshleman] I was a little worried.
-
I said "Oh my god, he's really
gonna come down on me hard now."
-
Now that we're on equal footing.
-
[Ramsay] It harms me.
-
[Eshleman] How did it harm you?
How does it harm you?
-
Just to think ((cross talk)) you know
people can be like that?
-
[Ramsay] Yeah, it let me in
on some knowledge
-
that I've never experienced first hand.
-
Because I know what you can turn into,
-
I know what you're willing to do.
-
[Eshleman] When I look back on
it now, I behaved appallingly.
-
You know, it was just horrid to look at.
-
I think I tried to explain
to him that at the time,
-
what you experience and
what you hated so much
-
was a role that I was playing,
that's not me at all.
-
[Ramsay] He was trying to dissociate
himself from what he had done.
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That did make me angry.
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Everyone was acting out
a part and playing a role:
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prisoners, guards, staff,
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everyone was acting out a part.
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It's when you start contributing
to the script,
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that's you and thus it's something you
should take responsibility for.
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[Eshleman] Uh, I didn't
see where it was really harmful.
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It was degrading and that was part
of my particular little experiment
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to see how I could--
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[Ramsay] Your particular little experiment?!
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Why don't you tell me about that.
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[Eshleman] Yes, I was running...
I was running a little experiment of my own.
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[Ramsay] Tell me about your
little experiments, I'm curious.
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[Eshleman] I wanted to see what
kind of verbal abuse that people can take
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before they start objecting,
before they start lashing back.
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[Eshleman] If I have any regret, right now,
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it's that I made that decision,
because it would've been interesting
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to see what would have happened
had I not decided to force things.
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It could be that I only accelerated them,
that the same things would've happened.
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But we'll never know.
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[Narrator] If the extreme nature of
Dave Eshleman's behavior tested the prisoners,
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it also presented the other
guards with the choice:
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to intervene, or not.
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[Eshleman] It surprised me
that no one said anything to stop me.
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They just accepted what I'd say.
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And no one questioned
my authority at all.
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And it really shocked me, why didn't
people say when I started to get so abusive?
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I started to get so profane,
and still people didn't say anything.
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[Zimbardo] There were a few guards who
hated to see the prisoners suffer,
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they never did anything that
would be demeaning of the prisoners.
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The interesting thing is, none
of the good guards ever intervened
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in the behavior of the guards who gradually
became more and more sadistical over time.
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We like to think there is this core of human
nature that good people can't do bad things.
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And that good people will
dominate over bad situations.
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In fact, one way to look
at this prison study is that
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we put good people in an evil place
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and we saw who won.
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And the sad message in this case is,
the evil place won over the good people.
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[Eshleman] It did show some very
interesting and maybe some unpleasant things
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about human behavior.
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It seems like every century,
every decade that we go through,
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we're suffering the same kind of
atrocities and you need to understand
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why these things happen,
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you need to understand
why people behave like this.