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Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.90,0:00:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] I was the first one to be \Npicked up, so they put me in a cell
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.49,0:00:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they locked me in there
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.95,0:00:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this degrading little outfit.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.69,0:00:18.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] Hey! I don't want anybody laughing!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.03,0:00:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My way is the rule!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.29,0:00:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[unintelligible yelling]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.19,0:00:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] I've gotta go to a doctor, anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.83,0:00:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] Jesus Christ, I'm burning up inside dontcha know!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.59,0:00:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want out!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.84,0:00:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want out now!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.74,0:00:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] I've never screamed \Nso loud in my life,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.65,0:00:40.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never been so upset in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.78,0:00:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was an experience of \Nbeing out of control.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.74,0:00:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] I just fucking can't take it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.46,0:00:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Stanford University, \NNorthern California.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.71,0:00:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of America's most \Nprestigious academic institutions
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.42,0:01:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in 1971, the scene of one \Nof the most notorious experiments
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.84,0:01:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the history of psychology.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.34,0:01:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] I was interested in what happens \Nif you put good people in an evil place.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.55,0:01:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does the situation outside of you, the \Ninstitution, come to control your behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.99,0:01:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or does the things inside of you,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.16,0:01:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your attitudes, your values, your morality
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.97,0:01:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allow you to rise above \Na negative environment?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.92,0:01:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The negative environment \NZimbardo chose to test his ideas,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.29,0:01:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.57,0:01:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would convert the basement of \Nthe university psychology department
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.41,0:01:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a subterranean jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.84,0:01:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] We put prison doors \Non each of three office cells.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.31,0:01:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the cells, it was \Nnothing but three beds
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.28,0:01:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was actually very little room for \Nanything else because they're very small.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.17,0:01:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here we had solitary confinement,\Nwhich we call "the hole."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.68,0:02:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the hole was where the prisoners \Nwould be put for punishment.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.93,0:02:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a very very small area.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.59,0:02:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you close the door, \Nit was totally dark.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.86,0:02:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the guards wore \Nmilitary uniforms
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.18,0:02:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had them wear these \Nsilver reflecting sunglasses.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.64,0:02:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what it does is, \Nyou can't see someone's eyes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.04,0:02:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that loses some the \Nhumanness, the humanity.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.35,0:02:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In general, we wanted to \Ncreate a sense of power.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.94,0:02:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That the guards as a category, are \Npeople who have power over others.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.84,0:02:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this case, \Npower over the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.64,0:02:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] A decade earlier,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.34,0:02:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,psychologist Stanley Milgrim had also \Nlooked at how we respond to authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.89,0:02:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to understand how people were \Ninduced to obey unjust regimes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.50,0:02:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and participate in atrocities such as \Nthe holocaust, he set up an experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.19,0:03:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Volunteers were told they were taking part \Nin scientific research to improve memory.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.71,0:03:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Experimenter] Would you open those and \Ntell me which of you is which please?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.06,0:03:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[First man] Teacher.\N[Second man] Learner.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.31,0:03:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Separated by a screen,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.08,0:03:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the teacher would ask the\Nlearner questions in a word game
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.89,0:03:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and administer an electric shock \Nwhen the answer was incorrect.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.53,0:03:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was told to increase the \Nvoltage with each wrong answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.37,0:03:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Teacher] Cloud, horse, \Nrock, or house? Answer?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.85,0:03:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[buzz]\N[Teacher] Wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.35,0:03:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,150 volts. \NAnswer: horse.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.11,0:03:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Learner] Ow! That's all! Get me out \Nof here! Get me out of here, please!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.96,0:03:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Experimenter] Continue please.\N[teacher gesturing, unsure]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.22,0:03:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Learner] I refuse to go on! Let me out!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.82,0:03:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Experimenter] The experiment requires \Nyou continue, teacher. Please continue.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.35,0:03:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Participants didn't know \Nthat the learner was really an actor
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.05,0:03:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the so-called shocks, were harmless.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.77,0:03:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Teacher] Now you'll \Nget a shock. 180 volts.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.66,0:04:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Learner] Ow! I can't stand \Nthe pain, let me out of here!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.60,0:04:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Teacher] He can't stand the pain, \NI'm not going to kill that man.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.18,0:04:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's going to take the responsibility if \Nanything happens to that gentleman?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.18,0:04:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Experimenter] I'm responsible for \Nanything that happens here. Continue please.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.15,0:04:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Teacher] Alright, next one. \NSlow, walk, dance, truck, music.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.89,0:04:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] 2/3 of volunteers were prepared to \Nadminister potentially fatal electric shock
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.23,0:04:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when encouraged to do so by what they \Nperceived to be a legitimate authority figure.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.28,0:04:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this case, a man in a white coat.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.67,0:04:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Teacher] 375 volts. I think something's \Nhappened to that fellow in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.67,0:04:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got no answer, he was \Nhollering at all this voltage.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.81,0:04:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you check him to see \Nif he's alright please?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.62,0:04:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Milgrim's \Nfindings horrified America.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.94,0:04:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They showed that decent American citizens \Nwere as capable of committing acts
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.34,0:04:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against their conscious
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.64,0:04:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the Germans had been under the Nazis.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.91,0:04:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Milgrim, Zimbardo was interested
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.27,0:05:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the power of social situations \Nto overwhelm individuals.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.48,0:05:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His experiment would test people's \Nresponses to an oppressive regime.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.49,0:05:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would they accept it? \NOr act against it?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.76,0:05:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zimbardo's experiment was conducted \Nagainst a backdrop of Civil Rights activism
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.30,0:05:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and protests against the Vietnam war.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.26,0:05:20.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] It was a sense of \Nstudent power, student dominance
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.05,0:05:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and student rebellion \Nagainst authority in general.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.77,0:05:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] It was from the student body \NZimbardo selected his participants.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.69,0:05:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After passing tests, to screen out \Nanyone with a psychological abnormality,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.50,0:05:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were paid $15 a day.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.54,0:05:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each was randomly assigned \Nthe role of guard or prisoner.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.08,0:05:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] It was a prison to me, \Nit still is a prison to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.70,0:05:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't look at it as an \Nexperiment or a simulation.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.04,0:05:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was just a prison that was run by \Npsychologists instead of run by the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.05,0:05:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] I was 20, and that \NSeptember I was going to college.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.41,0:06:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it would be nice to have a summer job, \Nbut there sure wasn't a lot of time left.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.82,0:06:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I looked in the want ads and I found \Nthis thing which was just going to fit.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.19,0:06:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was just two weeks.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.71,0:06:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Man] You put a uniform on, \Nand are given a job
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.80,0:06:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep these people in line.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.50,0:06:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You really become that person once \Nyou put on that khaki uniform,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.55,0:06:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you put on the glasses, \Nyou take the nightstick.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.93,0:06:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I was on summer \Nbreak from my first year of college
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.64,0:06:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was looking for a job.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.98,0:06:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had to chose between \Nthat or making pizzas.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.69,0:06:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that sounded like a lot more fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.15,0:06:32.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] As well as running the experiment, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.87,0:06:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zimbardo took on the role \Nof prison superintendent.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.04,0:06:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He began by briefing the guards.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.44,0:06:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] I said, "We have to \Nmaintain law and order.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.68,0:06:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If prisoners escape, the study is over.\NAnd you can't use physical violence."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.16,0:06:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] You can \Ncreate a sense of fear in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.14,0:06:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can create a notion that their \Nlife is totally in control by us.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.54,0:06:54.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will be constant surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.45,0:06:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have total power of the \Nsituation and they have none.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.68,0:07:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Prisoners were \Nbrought to the basement prison,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.04,0:07:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blindfolded to confuse them \Nabout their whereabouts.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.99,0:07:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were stripped and deloused.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.81,0:07:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] of course the guards \Nstarted making fun of their genitals
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.14,0:07:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and humiliating them and really it starts \Nwhat's known as a degradation process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.45,0:07:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which not only prisons, but lots of \Nmilitary type outfits use that process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.27,0:07:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner ] When I first got there, \Neven though I had to strip,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.51,0:07:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they would call me names, I still \Ndidn't feel at all like it was a prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.46,0:07:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just looked at it like a job.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.32,0:07:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I recall sort of walking \Nup and down the very short hallway,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.31,0:07:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was the prison hall \Nand looking in on the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.02,0:07:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're basically lounging \Naround on their beds.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.55,0:07:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt it was like \Na day in summer camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.85,0:07:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] The first day I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.28,0:07:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This might be a very long \Nand very boring experiment,"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.68,0:07:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's conceivable \Nnothing will ever happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.52,0:08:01.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I arrived independently \Nat the conclusion
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.55,0:08:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this experiment must \Nhave been put together
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.05,0:08:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prove a point about prisons \Nbeing a cruel and inhumane place.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.28,0:08:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And therefore, I would do my part, \Nto help those results come about.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.94,0:08:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a confrontational and \Narrogant 18 year old at the time
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.44,0:08:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said "somebody outta \Nstir things up a bit here."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.07,0:08:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner] Fuck this experiment \Nand fuck that Zimbardo!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.65,0:08:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] On the second morning, \Nprisoners decided to stir things up as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.01,0:08:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guards found some of them had used \Ntheir beds to barricade their cell.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.17,0:08:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prisoner 8612 was one of the \Nring leaders of the rebellion.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.96,0:08:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[yelling] ...Fucking simulation! It's a fucking simulated experiment!
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.91,0:08:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Indistinct yelling]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.44,0:08:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] Initially I was stunned.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.12,0:08:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't expect a rebellion \Nbecause not much happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.18,0:09:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it wasn't clear what \Nthey were rebelling against,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.66,0:09:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they were rebelling against the status,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.85,0:09:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rebelling against being anonymous,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.49,0:09:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against having to follow orders \Nfrom these other students.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.14,0:09:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] As punishment for the rebellion,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.42,0:09:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prisoner 8612 was put in the hole and \Nthe guards turned on the other prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.54,0:09:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] The guards felt that they \Nnow had to up the ante of being tough.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.34,0:09:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The prisoners made the mistake of \Nbeginning to use profanity against the guards
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.50,0:09:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a very personalized way.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.59,0:09:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So not against the guards, but now\N"you little punk" "you big shit" and stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.06,0:09:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the guards got furious.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.19,0:09:40.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] Everybody up! Everybody get up!
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.65,0:09:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well gentlemen, here \Nit is time for count.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.34,0:09:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Prisoners were repeatedly \Nwoken in the middle of the night.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.44,0:09:49.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guards made them \Ndo menial physical tasks
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.39,0:09:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and clean out toilets \Nwith their bare hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.05,0:09:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] We made it a point not \Nto give them any sense of comfort
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.43,0:09:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what to expect.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.14,0:09:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything could happen to them at any time,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.92,0:10:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including being rousted from \Ntheir sleep at any hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.86,0:10:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And forced to stand up in a line \Nand have me hurl insults at them
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.17,0:10:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make them do exercises.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.86,0:10:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you interrupt people's sleep, \Nthey tend to become a little disoriented.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.95,0:10:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And since there was no daylight in the prison, \Nthey had no idea whether it was night or day.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.42,0:10:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that I was the instigator of this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.38,0:10:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole schedule of harrassment.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.22,0:10:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The harassment of the guards \Ntook it's toll on rebellion leader 8612.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.35,0:10:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told Zimbardo he wanted \Nto leave the experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.12,0:10:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zimbardo responded not as a psychologist \Nbut as a prison superintendent.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.18,0:10:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] I said, "Well, I can see to it \Nthe guards don't hassle you personally
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.91,0:10:50.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in return all I would like \Nis some information from time to time
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.87,0:10:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the prisoners are doing."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.78,0:10:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So essentially I'm saying "I'd \Nlike you to be a snitch, an informant."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.55,0:11:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said "think it over and \Nif you still want to leave, fine."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.27,0:11:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Confused, prisoner \N8612 returned to his cell \N
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.92,0:11:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and told the other prisoners \Nthat no one could leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.92,0:11:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] He believed we wouldn't\Nlet him go, although we never said that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.97,0:11:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact that he was the \Nring leader of the rebellion
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.45,0:11:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he told the other prisoners \N"they won't let you leave,"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.58,0:11:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really transformed the \Nexperiment into a prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.77,0:11:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner] I was told I couldn't quit. And \Nat that point, I just felt totally hopeless.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.84,0:11:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More hopeless than I \Nhad ever felt before.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.100,0:11:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Soon after returning to his cell,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.73,0:11:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prisoner 8612 started showing \Nsigns of severe distress.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.22,0:11:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner 8612] Goddammit. Fucked up! \NYou don't know, you don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.07,0:11:50.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, God, I mean Jesus Christ, \NI'm burning up inside, don't you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.21,0:11:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] He came up with a \Nplan that if he acted crazy,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.70,0:12:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would have to release him.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.14,0:12:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner 8612] I feel fucked up inside, \NI feel really fucked up inside. You don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.10,0:12:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gotta go to a doctor, anything. \NI can't stay here, I'm fucked up.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.86,0:12:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how to explain it, \NI'm fucked up inside! And I want out!
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.15,0:12:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] It starts with make-believe and \Nthen he's doing it and cursing and screaming.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.72,0:12:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, whatever that little \Nboundary is, he moved across,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.07,0:12:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that he became really crazy, \Nbut he became excessively disturbed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.25,0:12:32.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So much so, we immediately said,\N"We have to release him."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.08,0:12:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Korpi--prisoner 8612] As an \Nexperience, it was unique.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.63,0:12:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never screamed \Nso loud in my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.70,0:12:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Never been so upset in my life,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.37,0:12:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was an experience \Nof being out of control.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.89,0:12:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The boundary between \Nreality and make-believe
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.45,0:12:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to become blurred \Neven for Zimbardo.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.33,0:12:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A rumor circulated that released \Nprisoner 8612 would return with friends
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.65,0:12:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to liberate the remaining prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.32,0:13:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] I quickly convinced myself that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.73,0:13:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my most important function was not to \Nallow this prison liberation to occur.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.33,0:13:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what could I do to keep my prison going?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.92,0:13:12.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not the experiment going.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.55,0:13:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The prison was dismantled
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.14,0:13:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the prisoners were moved \Nanother part of the building.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.24,0:13:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zimbardo waited in the empty \Ncorridor preparing to tell 8612
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.52,0:13:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his friends that the study was over.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.51,0:13:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a colleague appeared
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.75,0:13:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and began asking questions \Nabout the scientific basis of the research.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.92,0:13:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] I'm trying to get \Nrid of him and then he says,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.36,0:13:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What's the independent variable?"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.72,0:13:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got furious, because he doesn't understand \Nthat there's a riot about to take place,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.87,0:13:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this prison is about to erupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.04,0:13:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had totally lost this whole other identity \Nof scientist, researcher, psychologist.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.14,0:13:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The rumored jailbreak \Nnever materialized.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.11,0:13:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guards had dismantled \Nthe prison for nothing
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.51,0:13:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and had to rebuild it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.36,0:14:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They took their frustration \Nout on the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.49,0:14:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] They escalated \Nagain the level of control.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.28,0:14:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the level of dominance,\Nthe level of humiliating behavior.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.78,0:14:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] 819 was the next prisoner to \Nrebel against the harassment of the guards.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.24,0:14:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He barricaded himself in his cell \Nand refused to take part in the count.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.46,0:14:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] You're not only \Nnot getting cigarettes,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.35,0:14:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for as long as this cell's blockaded \N
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.23,0:14:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're going to be in \Nsolitary when you get out.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.36,0:14:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] For 819's disobedience, the guards \Nmade his cellmates do mindless work.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.64,0:14:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This undermined any vestige of \Nsolidarity amongst the prisoners
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.99,0:14:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who now chose to accept \Nthe tyranny of the guards
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.16,0:14:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than risk further harassment.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.42,0:14:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] That was one of \Nthe surprising things to me was that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.45,0:14:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was so little that the \Nprisoners did to support one another
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.61,0:14:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after we started our \Ncampaign of divide and conquer.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.12,0:14:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Isolated and \Ndistraught, prisoner 819
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.59,0:15:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,told Zimbardo he wanted to leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.34,0:15:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] While I'm interviewing \N819, and saying, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.38,0:15:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Okay, it's all over, thank you \Nfor your participation.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.69,0:15:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll give you money for the whole two weeks, \Neven though you're leaving early."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.29,0:15:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hears the prisoners \Nshouting: "819 did a bad thing."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.93,0:15:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoners] Prisoner 819 did a bad thing.\NPrisoner 819 did a bad thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.44,0:15:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "I can't leave." \NAnd he's crying.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.04,0:15:28.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "I can't leave."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.03,0:15:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "What do \Nyou mean you can't leave?"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.04,0:15:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, "No, I have to go back because \NI don't want them to think I'm a bad prisoner."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.63,0:15:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's when I really flipped \Nout that in such a short time
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.23,0:15:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a college student's thinking \Ncould become so distorted.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.89,0:15:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "You're not a bad prisoner. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.89,0:15:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You're not a prisoner. \NAnd this is not a prison."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.93,0:15:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was just this thing where
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.04,0:15:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he opened up his eyes, really \Nlike a cloud being lifted.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.11,0:15:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Seeing things clearly, prisoner 819 \Nreverted to his original request and was released.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.55,0:16:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To replace him, the experimenters called \Nin one of their reserves from the standby list.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.41,0:16:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] I got a phone call saying, \N"Are you still available as an alternate?"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.45,0:16:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kind of a cheery, female secretary voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.18,0:16:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Yes, sure."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.32,0:16:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so she said, \N"Could you start this afternoon?"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.45,0:16:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Yes, sure."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.72,0:16:21.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my role in the \Nexperiment really began.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.86,0:16:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was blindfolded and then \Nstripped and supposedly deloused.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.54,0:16:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] He came into \Na madhouse, full blown.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.58,0:16:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of us, had gradually acclimated \Nto the increasing level of aggression,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.66,0:16:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasing powerlessness of the prisoners,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.16,0:16:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasing dominance of the guards.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.42,0:16:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he comes in and says, "What's \Nhappening here?" to the other prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.94,0:16:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said \N"Yeah, you better not make trouble, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.40,0:16:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really terrible, it's a real prison."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.92,0:17:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, "I'm out of here, \NI don't want this."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.57,0:17:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said "No, you can't leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.84,0:17:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you're here, you're stuck. \NThis is a real prison."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.14,0:17:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] 416 put your hands in the air \Nor why don't you play Frankenstein?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.86,0:17:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,293 you can be the bride of \NFrankenstein, you stand here.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.57,0:17:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Prisoner 416 was soon subjected \Nto the harassment of Dave Eshleman,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.84,0:17:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nicknamed John Wayne \Nbecause of his macho attitude.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.48,0:17:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] 416 I want you to walk over here like \NFrankenstein and say that you love 2093.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.95,0:17:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That ain't a Frankenstein walk!
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.71,0:17:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I made the \Ndecision that I would be
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.85,0:17:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as intimidating, as cold, as cruel as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.64,0:17:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner 416] I love you 2093. \N[Guard] Get up close! Get up close!
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.36,0:17:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner 416] I love you 2093.\NI love you 2093.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.34,0:17:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] You get down \Nhere and do ten pushups!
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.87,0:17:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I had just watched \Na movie called Cool Hand Luke
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.36,0:17:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the mean intimidating southern \Nprison warden character in that film
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.60,0:17:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really was my inspiration for the \Nrole that I created for myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.73,0:18:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] He was creative in his evil.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.24,0:18:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would think of very ingenious ways \Nto degrade, to demean the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.43,0:18:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] What if I told you to get \Ndown on that floor and fuck the floor
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.40,0:18:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would you do then?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.16,0:18:29.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] One of the best guards, \Nwas also on that shift
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.70,0:18:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and instead of confronting the \Nbad guard, the sadistic guard
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.68,0:18:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially, because he didn't \Nwant to see what was happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.30,0:18:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he became the gofer, he went out to \Nget the food and things of this kind.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.28,0:18:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that left the John Wayne guard and the \Nother guard on that shift to be dominant.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.30,0:18:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[One of the guards] We were \Ncontinually called upon to act
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.06,0:18:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that is contrary \Nto what I really feel inside.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.20,0:18:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just continually giving out shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.36,0:18:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really just one of the \Nmost oppressive things you can do.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.18,0:19:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] 416, while they do pushups, \Nyou sing Amazing Grace.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.58,0:19:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ready? Down.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.30,0:19:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[prisoner singing]
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.10,0:19:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] Keep going.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.77,0:19:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The madness of the \Nexperiment started to affect 416.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.84,0:19:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[prisoner singing]
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.46,0:19:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] Keep going!
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.91,0:19:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>>[Prisoner 416] I began feeling like, I was \Nlosing my identity, until I wasn't Clay.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.39,0:19:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was 416.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.03,0:19:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was really my number and 416 \Nwas going to decide what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.26,0:19:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Prisoner 416 decided \Nto go on a hunger strike.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.45,0:19:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] They were pushing my limits,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.14,0:19:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but here was the thing that I could do,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.42,0:19:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could push their limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.02,0:19:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After I had missed a couple meals,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.40,0:19:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw this was not a matter \Nof indifference to the guards.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.29,0:20:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was making headway, they were upset.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.64,0:20:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I thought, "How dare this \Nnewcomer come in and try to change
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.62,0:20:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything that we had worked \Nfor the first three days to set up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.06,0:20:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by God, he's going to suffer for that."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.31,0:20:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] Frustrated by \Nhis continued defiance, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.66,0:20:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Wayne threw prisoner 416 into the hole.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.60,0:20:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After punishing the other prisoners, \Nfor his disobedience,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.95,0:20:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Wayne encouraged them to \Nvent their anger at 416 directly.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.89,0:20:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoner] Thank you, 416. \N[bangs on door]
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.81,0:20:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] Ok, 209.\N[Prisoner] Thank you, 416.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.75,0:20:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] We would use our nightsticks to \Nbang on the door and we would kick the door
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.54,0:20:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so hard it must've shaken \Nhim very seriously inside.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.46,0:20:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scared the life out of him.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.34,0:20:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] He yelled at me, and \Nthreatened me and actually sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.55,0:20:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smashed a sausage into my face \Nto try to get me to open up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.41,0:21:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I didn't have any intention \Nof eating until I was out.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.59,0:21:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] 416 should've \Nbeen, at some level, a hero
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.75,0:21:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause he's willing to oppose \Nthe authority of the system.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.41,0:21:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the prisoners accept the guards \Ndefinition of him as a troublemaker.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.24,0:21:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I remember some of them \Nsaying: "Would you eat goddammit!"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.24,0:21:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We're sick and tired of this."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.70,0:21:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was proof that there was no solidary, \Nthere was no support between the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.66,0:21:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] While 416 was still in the hole, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.96,0:21:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Wayne made a final \Nattempt to break him
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.68,0:21:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by giving his fellow prisoners a choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.45,0:21:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They could vote to release \Nhim by making small sacrifice.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.04,0:21:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] You can give me your blankets \Nand sleep on the bare mattress
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.09,0:21:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you can keep your blankets \Nand 416 will stay in another day.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.82,0:21:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What will it be?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.14,0:21:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoners] I'll keep my blankets.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.63,0:21:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] What will it be over here?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.41,0:22:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoners] I'll keep my blankets.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.42,0:22:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] How about 536?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.52,0:22:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Prisoners] I'll give you my blankets \NMr. Correctional Officer.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.94,0:22:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] We don't want your blankets
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.53,0:22:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Guard] We got 3 in favor of keeping their blankets. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.16,0:22:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got 3 against 1.\N\N
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.28,0:22:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Keep your blankets.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.40,0:22:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,416 you're going to be in there for a while,\Nso just get used to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.52,0:22:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] The study \Nshowed that power corrupts
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.47,0:22:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how difficult it is for people who are the \Nvictims of abuse to stand up and defend themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.48,0:22:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why doesn't anybody who is being abused \Nby a spouse or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.08,0:22:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just say "stop it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.22,0:22:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we realize now that it's \Nnot as easy as it sounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.22,0:22:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] By the end of the 5th day, 4 \Nprisoners had broken down and been released.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.62,0:22:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,416 was on the second \Nday of his hunger strike \N
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.93,0:22:50.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the experiment still had another 9 days to run.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.57,0:22:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this point, a fellow psychologist \Nvisited Zimbardo's basement prison
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.59,0:23:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and would witness the brutality \Nof the experiment first hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.23,0:23:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] The guards had lined up \Nthe prisoners to go to the toilet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.38,0:23:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had bags over their heads, \Nchains on their feet,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.73,0:23:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and were marching by and I looked up.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.62,0:23:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw this circus, this parade,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.93,0:23:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, "Hey Chris, look at that."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.48,0:23:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Christina Maslach] I looked up, and \NI began to feel sick to my stomach.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.55,0:23:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had this just...\Nchilling, sickening feeling
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.29,0:23:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of watching this and you \Nknow, I just turned away.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.92,0:23:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just let loose \Nin this emotional tyranny.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.32,0:23:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just lost it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.60,0:23:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was angry, scared, I was in tears.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.70,0:23:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] And I'm furious,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.79,0:23:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying you know, we had a big argument.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.58,0:23:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're supposed to \Nbe a psychologist.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.02,0:23:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is interesting dynamic behavior \Nand I'm going through this whole thing
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.76,0:23:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the power of the situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.65,0:23:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she says "No, no, it's \Nthat young boys are suffering
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.42,0:23:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're responsible. \NYou're letting it happen."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.82,0:23:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said "Oh my god, \Nof course you're right."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.13,0:23:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] The next day, \NZimbardo ended the experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.33,0:24:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Studies like his stimulated heated debate \Nabout the ethics of using human subjects.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.84,0:24:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] Really young men \Nsuffered verbally, physically.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.77,0:24:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Prisoners felt shame in their role.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.46,0:24:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Guards felt guilt.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.36,0:24:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in that sense, it's unethical.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.36,0:24:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, nobody has the right, the power, \Nthe privilege to do that to other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.90,0:24:26.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] In the wake of experiments \Nlike Zimbardo's and Milgrim's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.29,0:24:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ethical guidelines changed, introducing \Ngreater safeguards to protect participants.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.42,0:24:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the Standford experiment, Zimbardo \Nmight have sped his volunteers distress
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.22,0:24:39.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had he not taken on a dual role in the study.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.78,0:24:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] If I was going to \Nbe the prison superintendent,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.73,0:24:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should have had a colleague \Nwho was overseeing the experiment.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.42,0:24:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who was in a position to stop it at any point.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.62,0:24:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or I should've been the principal investigator
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.62,0:24:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get somebody who was going \Nto be the prison superintendent.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.90,0:24:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I realized that was a big mistake, \Nto play both those roles.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.57,0:25:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by shifting back and forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.39,0:25:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] After the experiment, Zimbardo \Nbrought all the participants together
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.53,0:25:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about their experiences.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.37,0:25:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Wayne would now come face to face
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.79,0:25:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the hunger striker that he had tormented.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.91,0:25:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I was a little worried.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.87,0:25:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said "Oh my god, he's really \Ngonna come down on me hard now."
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.42,0:25:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that we're on equal footing.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.37,0:25:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] It harms me.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.66,0:25:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] How did it harm you? \NHow does it harm you?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.08,0:25:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to think ((cross talk)) you know \Npeople can be like that?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.92,0:25:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] Yeah, it let me in \Non some knowledge \N
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.10,0:25:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I've never experienced first hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.38,0:25:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I know what you can turn into,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.10,0:25:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know what you're willing to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.42,0:25:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] When I look back on \Nit now, I behaved appallingly.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.89,0:25:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it was just horrid to look at.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.31,0:25:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I tried to explain \Nto him that at the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.06,0:25:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you experience and \Nwhat you hated so much
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.93,0:25:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a role that I was playing, \Nthat's not me at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.13,0:26:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] He was trying to dissociate \Nhimself from what he had done.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.46,0:26:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That did make me angry.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.03,0:26:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone was acting out \Na part and playing a role:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.54,0:26:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prisoners, guards, staff,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.46,0:26:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone was acting out a part.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.17,0:26:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's when you start contributing \Nto the script,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.38,0:26:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's you and thus it's something you \Nshould take responsibility for.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.98,0:26:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] Uh, I didn't \Nsee where it was really harmful.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.78,0:26:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was degrading and that was part \Nof my particular little experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.30,0:26:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see how I could--
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.16,0:26:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] Your particular little experiment?!
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.84,0:26:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't you tell me about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.05,0:26:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] Yes, I was running...\NI was running a little experiment of my own.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.53,0:26:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ramsay] Tell me about your \Nlittle experiments, I'm curious.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.94,0:26:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] I wanted to see what \Nkind of verbal abuse that people can take
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.06,0:26:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before they start objecting, \Nbefore they start lashing back.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.18,0:26:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] If I have any regret, right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.26,0:26:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's that I made that decision, \Nbecause it would've been interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.78,0:26:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see what would have happened \Nhad I not decided to force things.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.96,0:27:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be that I only accelerated them, \Nthat the same things would've happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.64,0:27:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we'll never know.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.22,0:27:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Narrator] If the extreme nature of \NDave Eshleman's behavior tested the prisoners,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.86,0:27:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it also presented the other \Nguards with the choice:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.79,0:27:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to intervene, or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.84,0:27:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] It surprised me \Nthat no one said anything to stop me.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.25,0:27:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just accepted what I'd say.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.64,0:27:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And no one questioned \Nmy authority at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.73,0:27:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it really shocked me, why didn't \Npeople say when I started to get so abusive?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.43,0:27:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to get so profane, \Nand still people didn't say anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.36,0:27:38.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Zimbardo] There were a few guards who\Nhated to see the prisoners suffer,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.37,0:27:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never did anything that \Nwould be demeaning of the prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.56,0:27:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The interesting thing is, none \Nof the good guards ever intervened
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.43,0:27:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the behavior of the guards who gradually \Nbecame more and more sadistical over time.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.89,0:27:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We like to think there is this core of human \Nnature that good people can't do bad things.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.29,0:28:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that good people will \Ndominate over bad situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.88,0:28:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, one way to look \Nat this prison study is that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.77,0:28:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we put good people in an evil place
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.09,0:28:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we saw who won.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.72,0:28:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the sad message in this case is, \Nthe evil place won over the good people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.32,0:28:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Eshleman] It did show some very \Ninteresting and maybe some unpleasant things
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.28,0:28:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about human behavior.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.09,0:28:24.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like every century, \Nevery decade that we go through,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.11,0:28:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're suffering the same kind of \Natrocities and you need to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.89,0:28:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why these things happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.87,0:28:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to understand \Nwhy people behave like this.