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So it all came to life
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in a dark bar in Madrid.
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I encountered my colleague
from McGill, Michael Meaney.
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And we were drinking a few beers,
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and like scientists do,
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he told me about his work.
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And he told me that he is interested
in how mother rats lick their pups
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after they were born.
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And I was sitting there and saying,
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"This is where my tax
dollars are wasted --
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(Laughter)
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on this kind of soft science."
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And he started telling me
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that the rats, like humans,
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lick their pups in very different ways.
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Some mothers do a lot of that,
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some mothers do very little,
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and most are in between.
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But what's interesting about it
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is when he follows these pups
when they become adults --
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like, years in human life,
long after their mother died.
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They are completely different animals.
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The animals that were licked
and groomed heavily,
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the high licking and grooming,
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are not stressed.
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They have different sexual behavior.
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They have a different way of living
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than those that were not treated
as intensively by their mothers.
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So then I was thinking to myself:
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Is this magic?
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How does this work?
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As geneticists would like you to think,
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perhaps the mother had
the "bad mother" gene
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that caused her pups to be stressful,
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and then it was passed
from generation to generation;
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it's all determined by genetics.
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Or is it possible that something
else is going on here?
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In rats, we can ask
this question and answer it.
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So what we did is
a cross-fostering experiment.
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You essentially separate the litter,
the babies of this rat, at birth,
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to two kinds of fostering mothers --
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not the real mothers,
but mothers that will take care of them:
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high-licking mothers
and low-licking mothers.
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And you can do the opposite
with the low-licking pups.
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And the remarkable answer was,
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it wasn't important
what gene you got from your mother.
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It was not the biological mother
that defined this property of these rats.
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It is the mother that
took care of the pups.
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So how can this work?
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I am an a epigeneticist.
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I am interested in how genes are marked
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by a chemical mark
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during embryogenesis, during the time
we're in the womb of our mothers,
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and decide which gene will be expressed
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in what tissue.
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Different genes are expressed in the brain
than in the liver and the eye.
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And we thought: Is it possible
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that the mother is somehow
reprogramming the gene of her offspring
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through her behavior?
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And we spent 10 years,
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and we found that there is a cascade
of biochemical events
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by which the licking and grooming
of the mother, the care of the mother,
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is translated to biochemical signals
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that go into the nucleus and into the DNA
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and program it differently.
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So now the animal can prepare
itself for life:
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Is life going to be harsh?
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Is there going to be a lot of food?
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Are there going to be a lot of cats
and snakes around,
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or will I live
in an upper-class neighborhood
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where all I have to do
is behave well and proper,
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and that will gain me social acceptance?
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And now one can think about
how important that process can be
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for our lives.
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We inherit our DNA from our ancestors.
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The DNA is old.
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It evolved during evolution.
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But it doesn't tell us
if you are going to be born in Stockholm,
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where the days are long in the summer
and short in the winter,
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or in Ecuador,
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where there's an equal number of hours
for day and night all year round.
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And that has such an enormous [effect]
on our physiology.
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So what we suggest is,
perhaps what happens early in life,
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those signals that come
through the mother,
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tell the child what kind of social world
you're going to be living in.
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It will be harsh, and you'd better
be anxious and be stressful,
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or it's going to be an easy world,
and you have to be different.
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Is it going to be a world
with a lot of light or little light?
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Is it going to be a world
with a lot of food or little food?
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If there's no food around,
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you'd better develop your brain to binge
whenever you see a meal,
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or store every piece of food
that you have as fat.
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So this is good.
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Evolution has selected this
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to allow our fixed, old DNA
to function in a dynamic way
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in new environments.
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But sometimes things can go wrong;
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for example, if you're born
to a poor family
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and the signals are, "You better binge,
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you better eat every piece of food
you're going to encounter."
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But now we humans
and our brain have evolved,
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have changed evolution even faster.
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Now you can buy McDonald's for one dollar.
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And therefore, the preparation
that we had by our mothers
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is turning out to be maladaptive.
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The same preparation that was supposed
to protect us from hunger and famine
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is going to cause obesity,
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cardiovascular problems
and metabolic disease.
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So this concept that genes
could be marked by our experience,
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and especially the early life experience,
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can provide us a unifying explanation
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of both health and disease.
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But is true only for rats?
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The problem is, we cannot
test this in humans,
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because ethically, we cannot administer
child adversity in a random way.
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So if a poor child develops
a certain property,
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we don't know whether
this is caused by poverty
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or whether poor people have bad genes.
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So geneticists will try to tell you
that poor people are poor
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because their genes make them poor.
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Epigeneticists will tell you
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poor people are in a bad environment
or an impoverished environment
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that creates that phenotype,
that property.
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So we moved to look
into our cousins, the monkeys.
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My colleague, Stephen Suomi,
has been rearing monkeys
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in two different ways:
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randomly separated the monkey
from the mother
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and reared her with a nurse
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and surrogate motherhood conditions.
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So these monkeys didn't have
a mother; they had a nurse.
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And other monkeys were reared
with their normal, natural mothers.
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And when they were old,
they were completely different animals.
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The monkeys that had a mother
did not care about alcohol,
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they were not sexually aggressive.
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The monkeys that didn't have a mother
were aggressive, were stressed
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and were alcoholics.
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So we looked at their DNA
early after birth, to see:
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Is it possible that the mother is marking?
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Is there a signature of the mother
in the DNA of the offspring?
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These are Day-14 monkeys,
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and what you see here is the modern way
by which we study epigenetics.
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We can now map those chemical marks,
which we call methylation marks,
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on DNA at a single nucleotide resolution.
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We can map the entire genome.
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We can now compare the monkey
that had a mother or not.
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And here's a visual presentation of this.
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What you see is the genes
that got more methylated are red.
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The genes that got
less methylated are green.
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You can see many genes are changing,
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because not having a mother
is not just one thing --
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it affects the whole way;
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it sends signals about the whole way
your world is going to look
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when you become an adult.
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And you can see the two groups of monkeys
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extremely well-separated from each other.
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How early does this develop?
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These monkeys already
didn't see their mothers,
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so they had a social experience.
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Do we sense our social status,
even at the moment of birth?
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So in this experiment,
we took placentas of monkeys
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that had different social status.
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What's interesting about social rank
is that across all living beings,
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they will structure
themselves by hierarchy.
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Monkey number one is the boss;
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monkey number four is the peon.
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You put four monkeys in a cage,
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there will always be a boss
and always be a peon.
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And what's interesting
is that the monkey number one
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is much healthier than monkey number four.
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And if you put them in a cage,
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monkey number one will not eat as much.
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Monkey number four will eat [a lot].
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And what you see here
in this methylation mapping,
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a dramatic separation at birth
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of the animals that had
a high social status
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versus the animals
that did not have a high status.
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So we are born already knowing
the social information,
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and that social information
is not bad or good,
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it just prepares us for life,
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because we have to program
our biology differently
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if we are in the high
or the low social status.
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But how can you study this in humans?
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We can't do experiments,
we can't administer adversity to humans.
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But God does experiments with humans,
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and it's called natural disasters.
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One of the hardest natural disasters
in Canadian history
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happened in my province of Quebec.
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It's the ice storm of 1998.
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We lost our entire electrical grid
because of an ice storm
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when the temperatures
were, in the dead of winter in Quebec,
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minus 20 to minus 30.
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And there were pregnant
mothers during that time.
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And my colleague Suzanne King
followed the children of these mothers
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for 15 years.
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And what happened was,
that as the stress increased --
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and here we had objective
measures of stress:
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How long were you without power?
Where did you spend your time?
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Was it in your mother-in-law's apartment
or in some posh country home?
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So all of these added up
to a social stress scale,
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and you can ask the question:
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How did the children look?
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And it appears that as stress increases,
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the children develop more autism,
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they develop more metabolic diseases
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and they develop more autoimmune diseases.
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We would map the methylation state,
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and again, you see the green genes
becoming red as stress increases,
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the red genes becoming green
as stress increases,
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an entire rearrangement
of the genome in response to stress.
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So if we can program genes,
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if we are not just the slaves
of the history of our genes,
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that they could be programmed,
can we deprogram them?
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Because epigenetic causes
can cause diseases like cancer,
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metabolic disease
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and mental health diseases.
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Let's talk about cocaine addiction.
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Cocaine addiction is a terrible situation
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that can lead to death
and to loss of human life.
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We asked the question:
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Can we reprogram the addicted brain
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to make that animal not addicted anymore?
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We used a cocaine addiction model
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that recapitulates what happens in humans.
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In humans, you're in high school,
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some friends suggest you use some cocaine,
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you take cocaine, nothing happens.
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Months pass by, something reminds you
of what happened the first time,
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a pusher pushes cocaine,
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and you become addicted
and your life has changed.
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In rats, we do the same thing.
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My colleague, Gal Yadid,
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he trains the animals
to get used to cocaine,
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then for one month, no cocaine.
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Then he reminds them of the party
when they saw the cocaine the first time
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by cue, the colors of the cage
when they saw cocaine.
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And they go crazy.
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They will press the lever to get cocaine
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till they die.
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We first determined that the difference
between these animals
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is that during that time
when nothing happens,
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there's no cocaine around,
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their epigenome is rearranged.
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Their genes are re-marked
in a different way,
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and when the cue comes,
their genome is ready
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to develop this addictive phenotype.
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So we treated these animals with drugs
that either increase DNA methylation,
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which was the epigenetic
marker to look at,
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or decrease epigenetic markings.
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And we found that
if we increased methylation,
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these animals go even crazier.
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They become more craving for cocaine.
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But if we reduce the DNA methylation,
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the animals are not addicted anymore.
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We have reprogrammed them.
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And a fundamental difference
between an epigenetic drug
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and any other drug
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is that with epigenetic drugs,
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we essentially remove
the signs of experience,
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and once they're gone,
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they will not come back
unless you have the same experience.
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The animal now is reprogrammed.
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So when we visited the animals
30 days, 60 days later,
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which is in human terms
many years of life,
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they were still not addicted --
by a single epigenetic treatment.
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So what did we learn about DNA?
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DNA is not just a sequence of letters;
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it's not just a script.
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DNA is a dynamic movie.
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Our experiences are being written
into this movie, which is interactive.
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You're, like, watching a movie
of your life, with the DNA,
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with your remote control.
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You can remove an actor and add an actor.
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And so you have, in spite
of the deterministic nature of genetics,
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you have control of the way
your genes look,
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and this has a tremendous
optimistic message
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for the ability to now encounter
some of the deadly diseases
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like cancer, mental health,
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with a new approach,
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looking at them as maladaptation.
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And if we can epigenetically intervene,
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[we can] reverse the movie
by removing an actor
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and setting up a new narrative.
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So what I told you today is,
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our DNA is really combined
of two components,
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two layers of information.
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One layer of information is old,
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evolved from millions
of years of evolution.
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It is fixed, and very hard to change.
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The other layer of information
is the epigenetic layer,
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which is open and dynamic
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and sets up a narrative
that is interactive,
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that allows us to control,
to a large extent, our destiny,
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to help the destiny of our children
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and to hopefully conquer disease
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and serious health challenges
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that have plagued humankind
for a long time.
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So even though we are determined
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by our genes,
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we have a degree of freedom
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that can set up our life
to a life of responsibility.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)