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How early life experience is written into DNA

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    So it all came to life
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    in a dark bar in Madrid.
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    I encountered my colleague
    from McGill, Michael Meaney.
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    And we were drinking a few beers,
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    and like scientists do,
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    he told me about his work.
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    And he told me that he is interested
    in how mother rats lick their pups
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    after they were born.
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    And I was sitting there and saying,
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    "This is where my tax
    dollars are wasted --
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    (Laughter)
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    on this kind of soft science."
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    And he started telling me
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    that the rats, like humans,
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    lick their pups in very different ways.
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    Some mothers do a lot of that,
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    some mothers do very little,
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    and most are in between.
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    But what's interesting about it
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    is when he follows these pups
    when they become adults --
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    like, years in human life,
    long after their mother died.
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    They are completely different animals.
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    The animals that were licked
    and groomed heavily,
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    the high licking and grooming,
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    are not stressed.
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    They have different sexual behavior.
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    They have a different way of living
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    than those that were not treated
    as intensively by their mothers.
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    So then I was thinking to myself:
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    Is this magic?
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    How does this work?
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    As geneticists would like you to think,
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    perhaps the mother had
    the "bad mother" gene
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    that caused her pups to be stressful,
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    and then it was passed
    from generation to generation;
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    it's all determined by genetics.
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    Or is it possible that something
    else is going on here?
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    In rats, we can ask
    this question and answer it.
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    So what we did is
    a cross-fostering experiment.
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    You essentially separate the litter,
    the babies of this rat, at birth,
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    to two kinds of fostering mothers --
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    not the real mothers,
    but mothers that will take care of them:
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    high-licking mothers
    and low-licking mothers.
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    And you can do the opposite
    with the low-licking pups.
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    And the remarkable answer was,
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    it wasn't important
    what gene you got from your mother.
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    It was not the biological mother
    that defined this property of these rats.
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    It is the mother that
    took care of the pups.
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    So how can this work?
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    I am an a epigeneticist.
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    I am interested in how genes are marked
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    by a chemical mark
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    during embryogenesis, during the time
    we're in the womb of our mothers,
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    and decide which gene will be expressed
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    in what tissue.
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    Different genes are expressed in the brain
    than in the liver and the eye.
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    And we thought: Is it possible
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    that the mother is somehow
    reprogramming the gene of her offspring
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    through her behavior?
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    And we spent 10 years,
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    and we found that there is a cascade
    of biochemical events
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    by which the licking and grooming
    of the mother, the care of the mother,
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    is translated to biochemical signals
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    that go into the nucleus and into the DNA
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    and program it differently.
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    So now the animal can prepare
    itself for life:
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    Is life going to be harsh?
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    Is there going to be a lot of food?
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    Are there going to be a lot of cats
    and snakes around,
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    or will I live
    in an upper-class neighborhood
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    where all I have to do
    is behave well and proper,
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    and that will gain me social acceptance?
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    And now one can think about
    how important that process can be
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    for our lives.
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    We inherit our DNA from our ancestors.
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    The DNA is old.
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    It evolved during evolution.
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    But it doesn't tell us
    if you are going to be born in Stockholm,
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    where the days are long in the summer
    and short in the winter,
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    or in Ecuador,
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    where there's an equal number of hours
    for day and night all year round.
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    And that has such an enormous [effect]
    on our physiology.
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    So what we suggest is,
    perhaps what happens early in life,
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    those signals that come
    through the mother,
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    tell the child what kind of social world
    you're going to be living in.
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    It will be harsh, and you'd better
    be anxious and be stressful,
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    or it's going to be an easy world,
    and you have to be different.
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    Is it going to be a world
    with a lot of light or little light?
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    Is it going to be a world
    with a lot of food or little food?
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    If there's no food around,
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    you'd better develop your brain to binge
    whenever you see a meal,
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    or store every piece of food
    that you have as fat.
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    So this is good.
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    Evolution has selected this
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    to allow our fixed, old DNA
    to function in a dynamic way
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    in new environments.
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    But sometimes things can go wrong;
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    for example, if you're born
    to a poor family
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    and the signals are, "You better binge,
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    you better eat every piece of food
    you're going to encounter."
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    But now we humans
    and our brain have evolved,
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    have changed evolution even faster.
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    Now you can buy McDonald's for one dollar.
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    And therefore, the preparation
    that we had by our mothers
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    is turning out to be maladaptive.
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    The same preparation that was supposed
    to protect us from hunger and famine
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    is going to cause obesity,
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    cardiovascular problems
    and metabolic disease.
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    So this concept that genes
    could be marked by our experience,
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    and especially the early life experience,
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    can provide us a unifying explanation
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    of both health and disease.
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    But is true only for rats?
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    The problem is, we cannot
    test this in humans,
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    because ethically, we cannot administer
    child adversity in a random way.
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    So if a poor child develops
    a certain property,
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    we don't know whether
    this is caused by poverty
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    or whether poor people have bad genes.
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    So geneticists will try to tell you
    that poor people are poor
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    because their genes make them poor.
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    Epigeneticists will tell you
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    poor people are in a bad environment
    or an impoverished environment
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    that creates that phenotype,
    that property.
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    So we moved to look
    into our cousins, the monkeys.
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    My colleague, Stephen Suomi,
    has been rearing monkeys
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    in two different ways:
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    randomly separated the monkey
    from the mother
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    and reared her with a nurse
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    and surrogate motherhood conditions.
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    So these monkeys didn't have
    a mother; they had a nurse.
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    And other monkeys were reared
    with their normal, natural mothers.
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    And when they were old,
    they were completely different animals.
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    The monkeys that had a mother
    did not care about alcohol,
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    they were not sexually aggressive.
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    The monkeys that didn't have a mother
    were aggressive, were stressed
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    and were alcoholics.
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    So we looked at their DNA
    early after birth, to see:
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    Is it possible that the mother is marking?
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    Is there a signature of the mother
    in the DNA of the offspring?
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    These are Day-14 monkeys,
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    and what you see here is the modern way
    by which we study epigenetics.
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    We can now map those chemical marks,
    which we call methylation marks,
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    on DNA at a single nucleotide resolution.
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    We can map the entire genome.
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    We can now compare the monkey
    that had a mother or not.
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    And here's a visual presentation of this.
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    What you see is the genes
    that got more methylated are red.
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    The genes that got
    less methylated are green.
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    You can see many genes are changing,
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    because not having a mother
    is not just one thing --
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    it affects the whole way;
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    it sends signals about the whole way
    your world is going to look
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    when you become an adult.
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    And you can see the two groups of monkeys
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    extremely well-separated from each other.
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    How early does this develop?
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    These monkeys already
    didn't see their mothers,
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    so they had a social experience.
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    Do we sense our social status,
    even at the moment of birth?
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    So in this experiment,
    we took placentas of monkeys
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    that had different social status.
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    What's interesting about social rank
    is that across all living beings,
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    they will structure
    themselves by hierarchy.
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    Monkey number one is the boss;
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    monkey number four is the peon.
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    You put four monkeys in a cage,
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    there will always be a boss
    and always be a peon.
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    And what's interesting
    is that the monkey number one
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    is much healthier than monkey number four.
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    And if you put them in a cage,
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    monkey number one will not eat as much.
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    Monkey number four will eat [a lot].
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    And what you see here
    in this methylation mapping,
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    a dramatic separation at birth
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    of the animals that had
    a high social status
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    versus the animals
    that did not have a high status.
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    So we are born already knowing
    the social information,
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    and that social information
    is not bad or good,
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    it just prepares us for life,
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    because we have to program
    our biology differently
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    if we are in the high
    or the low social status.
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    But how can you study this in humans?
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    We can't do experiments,
    we can't administer adversity to humans.
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    But God does experiments with humans,
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    and it's called natural disasters.
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    One of the hardest natural disasters
    in Canadian history
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    happened in my province of Quebec.
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    It's the ice storm of 1998.
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    We lost our entire electrical grid
    because of an ice storm
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    when the temperatures
    were, in the dead of winter in Quebec,
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    minus 20 to minus 30.
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    And there were pregnant
    mothers during that time.
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    And my colleague Suzanne King
    followed the children of these mothers
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    for 15 years.
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    And what happened was,
    that as the stress increased --
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    and here we had objective
    measures of stress:
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    How long were you without power?
    Where did you spend your time?
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    Was it in your mother-in-law's apartment
    or in some posh country home?
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    So all of these added up
    to a social stress scale,
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    and you can ask the question:
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    How did the children look?
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    And it appears that as stress increases,
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    the children develop more autism,
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    they develop more metabolic diseases
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    and they develop more autoimmune diseases.
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    We would map the methylation state,
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    and again, you see the green genes
    becoming red as stress increases,
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    the red genes becoming green
    as stress increases,
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    an entire rearrangement
    of the genome in response to stress.
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    So if we can program genes,
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    if we are not just the slaves
    of the history of our genes,
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    that they could be programmed,
    can we deprogram them?
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    Because epigenetic causes
    can cause diseases like cancer,
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    metabolic disease
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    and mental health diseases.
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    Let's talk about cocaine addiction.
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    Cocaine addiction is a terrible situation
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    that can lead to death
    and to loss of human life.
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    We asked the question:
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    Can we reprogram the addicted brain
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    to make that animal not addicted anymore?
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    We used a cocaine addiction model
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    that recapitulates what happens in humans.
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    In humans, you're in high school,
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    some friends suggest you use some cocaine,
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    you take cocaine, nothing happens.
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    Months pass by, something reminds you
    of what happened the first time,
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    a pusher pushes cocaine,
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    and you become addicted
    and your life has changed.
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    In rats, we do the same thing.
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    My colleague, Gal Yadid,
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    he trains the animals
    to get used to cocaine,
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    then for one month, no cocaine.
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    Then he reminds them of the party
    when they saw the cocaine the first time
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    by cue, the colors of the cage
    when they saw cocaine.
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    And they go crazy.
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    They will press the lever to get cocaine
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    till they die.
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    We first determined that the difference
    between these animals
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    is that during that time
    when nothing happens,
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    there's no cocaine around,
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    their epigenome is rearranged.
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    Their genes are re-marked
    in a different way,
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    and when the cue comes,
    their genome is ready
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    to develop this addictive phenotype.
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    So we treated these animals with drugs
    that either increase DNA methylation,
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    which was the epigenetic
    marker to look at,
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    or decrease epigenetic markings.
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    And we found that
    if we increased methylation,
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    these animals go even crazier.
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    They become more craving for cocaine.
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    But if we reduce the DNA methylation,
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    the animals are not addicted anymore.
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    We have reprogrammed them.
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    And a fundamental difference
    between an epigenetic drug
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    and any other drug
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    is that with epigenetic drugs,
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    we essentially remove
    the signs of experience,
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    and once they're gone,
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    they will not come back
    unless you have the same experience.
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    The animal now is reprogrammed.
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    So when we visited the animals
    30 days, 60 days later,
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    which is in human terms
    many years of life,
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    they were still not addicted --
    by a single epigenetic treatment.
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    So what did we learn about DNA?
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    DNA is not just a sequence of letters;
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    it's not just a script.
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    DNA is a dynamic movie.
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    Our experiences are being written
    into this movie, which is interactive.
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    You're, like, watching a movie
    of your life, with the DNA,
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    with your remote control.
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    You can remove an actor and add an actor.
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    And so you have, in spite
    of the deterministic nature of genetics,
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    you have control of the way
    your genes look,
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    and this has a tremendous
    optimistic message
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    for the ability to now encounter
    some of the deadly diseases
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    like cancer, mental health,
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    with a new approach,
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    looking at them as maladaptation.
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    And if we can epigenetically intervene,
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    [we can] reverse the movie
    by removing an actor
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    and setting up a new narrative.
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    So what I told you today is,
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    our DNA is really combined
    of two components,
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    two layers of information.
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    One layer of information is old,
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    evolved from millions
    of years of evolution.
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    It is fixed, and very hard to change.
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    The other layer of information
    is the epigenetic layer,
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    which is open and dynamic
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    and sets up a narrative
    that is interactive,
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    that allows us to control,
    to a large extent, our destiny,
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    to help the destiny of our children
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    and to hopefully conquer disease
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    and serious health challenges
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    that have plagued humankind
    for a long time.
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    So even though we are determined
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    by our genes,
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    we have a degree of freedom
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    that can set up our life
    to a life of responsibility.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How early life experience is written into DNA
Speaker:
Moshe Szyf
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Video Language:
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Duration:
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