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How early life experience is written into DNA

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    So it all came to life
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    in a dark bar in Madrid.
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    I encountered my colleague
    from McGill, Michael Meaney.
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    And we were drinking a few beers,
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    and like scientists do,
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    he told me about his work.
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    And he told me that he is interested
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    in how mother rats
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    lick their pups
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    after they were born.
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    And I was sitting there and saying,
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    this is where my tax dollars are wasted,
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    on this kind of soft science.
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    And started telling me
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    that when the rats, like humans,
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    lick their pups in very different ways.
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    Some mothers do a lot of that,
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    some mothers do very little,
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    and most are in between.
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    But what's interesting about it
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    is when he follows these pups
    when they become adults,
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    like years in human life,
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    long after their mother died,
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    they are completely different animals.
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    The animals that were licked
    and groomed heavily,
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    the high licking and grooming,
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    are not stressed.
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    They have different sexual behavior.
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    They have a different way of living
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    than those that were not treated
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    as intensively by their mothers.
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    So then I was thinking to myself,
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    is this magic?
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    How does this work?
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    Us geneticists would like you to think
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    perhaps the mother had
    the bad mother gene
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    that caused her pups to be stressful,
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    and then it was passed
    from generation to generation.
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    It's all determined by genetics.
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    Or is it possible that something else
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    is going on?
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    So in rats we can ask this question
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    and answer it.
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    So what we did is
    a cross-fostering experiment.
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    You essentially separate the litter,
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    the babies of this rat, at birth,
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    to two kinds of fostering mothers,
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    not the real mothers,
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    but mothers that will take care of them,
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    high-licking mothers
    and low-licking mothers.
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    And you can do the opposite
    with the low-licking pups.
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    And the remarkable answer was,
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    it wasn't important
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    what the gene you got from your mother.
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    It was not the biological mother
    that defined this property
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    of these rats.
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    It is the mother that
    took care of the pups.
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    So how can this work?
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    I am an a epigeneticist.
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    I am interested
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    in how genes are marked by a chemical mark
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    during embryogenesis, during the time
    we're in the womb of our mothers,
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    and decide which gene will be expressed
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    in what tissue.
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    Different genes are expressed in the brain
    than in the liver and the eye.
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    And we thought, is it possible
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    that the mother is somehow
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    reprogramming the gene of her offspring
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    through her behavior?
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    And we spent 10 years,
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    and we found that there is
    a cascade of biochemical events
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    by which the licking and grooming
    of the mother, the care of the mother
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    is translated to biochemical signals
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    that go into the nucleus and into the DNA
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    and program it differently.
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    So now the animal can
    prepare itself for life.
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    Is life going to be harsh?
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    Is there going to be a lot of food?
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    Are there going to be a lot
    of cats and snakes around,
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    or will I live in an upper
    class neighborhood
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    where all I have to do
    is behave well and proper
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    and that will gain me social acceptance?
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    And now one can think about
    how important that process can be
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    for our lives.
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    We inherit our DNA from our ancestors.
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    The DNA is old.
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    It evolved during evolution.
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    But it doesn't tell us if you are going
    to be born in Stockholm,
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    where the days are long in the summer
    and short in the winter,
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    or in Ecuador, where equal number
    of hours for day and night
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    all year round.
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    And that has such an enormous amount
    on our physiology.
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    So what we suggest is perhaps
    what happens early in life,
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    those signals that come through the mother
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    tell the child
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    what kind of social world
    you're going to be living in.
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    It will be harsh, and you'd better
    be anxious and be stressful,
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    or it's going to be an easy world,
    and you have to be different.
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    Is it going to be a world
    with a lot of light or little light?
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    Is it going to be a world
    with a lot of food or little food?
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    If there's no food around,
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    you'd better develop your brain
    to binge whenever you see a meal,
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    or store every piece of food
    that you have as fat.
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    So this is good.
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    Evolution has selected this
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    to allow our fixed, old DNA
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    to function in a dynamic way
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    in new environments.
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    But sometimes things can go wrong.
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    For example, if you're born
    to a poor family,
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    and the signals are, "You'd better binge.
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    You'd better eat every piece of food
    you're going to encounter."
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    But now we humans
    and our brain have evolved,
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    have changed evolution even faster.
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    Now you can buy a McDonald's
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    for one dollar.
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    And therefore, the preparation
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    that we had
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    by our mothers
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    is turning to be maladaptive.
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    The same preparation that was
    supposed to protect us
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    from hunger and famine
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    is going to cause obesity,
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    cardiovascular problems,
    and metabolic disease.
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    So this concept that genes
    could be marked by our experience,
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    and especially the early life experience,
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    can provide us a unifying explanation
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    of both health and disease.
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    But is true only for rats?
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    The problem is, we cannot
    test this in humans,
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    because ethically, we cannot
    administer child adversity
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    in a random way.
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    So if a poor child develops
    a certain property,
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    we don't know whether this is caused
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    by poverty
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    or whether poor people have bad genes.
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    So geneticists will try to tell you
    that poor people are poor
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    because their genes make them poor.
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    Epigeneticists will tell you
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    poor people are in a bad environment
    or an impoverished environment
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    that creates that phenotype,
    that property.
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    So we moved to look
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    into our cousins, the monkeys.
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    My colleague Steven Soomey
Title:
How early life experience is written into DNA
Speaker:
Moshe Szyf
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Video Language:
English
Team:
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Project:
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Duration:
16:35

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