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Our main story tonight
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is government surveillance.
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And I realize most people
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would rather have a conversation
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about literally any other topic.
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Including: 'Is my smartphone
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giving me cancer?
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To which the answer is: probably.
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Or: Do goldfish suffer from depression?
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To which the answer is:
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Yes, but very briefly.
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But the fact is, it is vital that we
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have a discussion about this now.
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Because an important date is just around the corner.
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"One big day to circle on the calendar,
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when it comes to a very controversial subject.
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The re-authorization of the Patriot Act,
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and all of the controversial
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provisions therein.
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June 1 they've got to come to an agreement
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to re-authorize or curttail those programs.
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Yes. Some controversial provisions within
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the Patriot Act are to expire on June 1.
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So circle that date
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on your calendars, everyone.
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And while you're at it:
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Circle June 2 as well.
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Because that's Justin Long's birthday.
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You all forgot last year...
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and he f*cking noticed.
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Now, over the last couple of years,
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you've probably heard a lot about
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strange-sounding programs. Such as:
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X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.
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Which are, coincidentally, also the names
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of some of Florida's least popular
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stripclubs.
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"Welcome to X-Keyscore!
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Our dancers are fully un-redacted
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and Tuesday is wing-night!"
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But if you don't mind, I would like to
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refresh your memory over some of this.
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And let's start our focussing on the most
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controversial portion of the Patriot Act,
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that is up for renewal. Section 215.
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Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name
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of an Eastern European boy-band.
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"We are Section 215.
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Prepare to have your hearts...
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throbbed."
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There's the cute one, the bad-boy,
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the one who strangled a potato-farmer,
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and the one without an eye-deficiency.
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They're incredible.
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But the contentst of the real Section 215
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is actually even more sinister.
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It's called Section 215.
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Nicknamed: the library records provision.
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Which allows the Government to require
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businesses to hand over records of any
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"any tangible things"
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including: books, records, documents,
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and other items.
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If that sounds broad, that's because
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it was very much written that way.
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Section 215 says the Government can ask
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for "any tangible things" so long as it's
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"for an investigation to protect
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against international terrorism".
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Which is basically a blank cheque.
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It's letting a teenager borrow the car,
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under the strict condition that they
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only use it for 'car-related activities'.
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"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this
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for a hand-job in the Wendy's parking lot,
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but that is car-related,
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so I think I'm covered."
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Section 215 is overseen
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by a secret intelligence-court,
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known as the Pfizer-court.
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And they've interpreted it to mean
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the Government could basically
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collect and store phone-records for
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every American.
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The vast majority of whom, of course, have
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no connection to terrorism.
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Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been greatly
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mis-characterized the activities
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of her needle-point club.
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"It's a sleeper-cell!
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Isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"
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"You are hanged for this, Aungt Cheryl.
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You're a traiter and a terrible aunt.
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Not in that order."
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Now, the Government will point out
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that under 215, they hold phone-records,
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and not the calls themselves.
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What the intelligence-community is doing,
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is looking at phone-numbers,
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and durations of calls,
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they are not looking at peoples names,
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and they are not looking at content.
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Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.
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Because you can extrapolate a lot
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from that information.
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If they knew that you'd called your ex
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12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM,
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for a duration of 15 minutes each time,
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they can be fairly sure that you've left
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some pretty pathetic voice-mails.
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"I don't care whose monitoring this call,
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Vicky, we should be together!
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Pick up the phone, dammit!
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I'm a human being, not an animal!"
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Now, the Patriot-act was written,
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just after 9-11.
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And for years,
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it was extended and re-authorized
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with barely a passing thought.
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In fact, it became so routine,
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that when it was extended in 2011,
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one newscaster just tacked it
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onto the end of a report
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about a Presidential trip abroad.
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Chip Reemes. CBS-news is travelling
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with the President in Dovell, France.
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Also in France, by the way,
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President Obama signed in
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the law 4- year extension
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of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.
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Also in France, by the way?
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By the way?
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He threw that in,
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like a mother telling her young daughter
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that her childhood pet just died.
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"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.
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Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead,
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see you at Christmas." BANG
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But all of that,
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was before the public was made aware
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of what the Government's capabilities
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actually were.
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'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.
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Edward Snowden has just
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taken responsibility for one of the
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biggest Government leaks in US history.
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We learned that the Government has the
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capacity to track virtually every American
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phone-call, and to scoop up
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impossibly vast quantities of data
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across the Internet.
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Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped
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on world leaders.
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Have you've ever been to the Bahamas,
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the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls
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and stored them up to a month.
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All that information was exposed
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by Edward Snowden.
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And it is still kind of incredible,
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that a 29-year old contractor,
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was able to steal top-secret documents
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from an organization
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that LITERALLY has the word 'security'
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in it's name.
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Clearly, that was not great for them.
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Because the only place where it should
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be that easy for employees in their 20-ies
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to steal, is a Lids store.
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"Dude, you sure we should take this?"
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"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,
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we're not exactly selling
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Fabergé eggs here."
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It is still unclear,
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exactly how many documents
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Edward Snowden stole.
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Although he is consistently trying
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to re-assure people that he put them
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in good hands.
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Honestly, I don't want to be the person
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making the decisions about what should
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be public and what shouldn't.
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Which is why I, rather than publishing
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these on my own or putting them openly,
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I'm putting them through journalists.
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Well, that sounds great.
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But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.
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As was proven when the New York Times
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published this slide,
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but did such a sloppy job of blocking out
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redacted information, that some people
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were able to read the information behind
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that black bar,
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which concerned how the US was monitoring
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Al-Qaida in Mosul,
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a group now known as ISIS.
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So essentially,
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a national security secret was leaked,
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because no-one at the Times knows
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how to use Microsoft Paint.
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And look, you can think
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that Snowden did the wrong thing, or
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did it in the wrong way.
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But the fact it,
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we have this information now,
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and we no longer get the luxury
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of pleading ignorance.
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It's like you can't go to Sea World and
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pretend Sha-Mu's happy anymore.
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When we now know,
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at least have the water in her tank
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is whale-tears.
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We know that now.
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You can't un-know that information.
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So you have to bear that in mind.
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But here's the thing:
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It's now 2 years later,
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and it seems like we've kind of
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forgotten to have a debate
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over the content of what Snowden leaked.
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A recent Pew-report found that nearly
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half of Americans say they're
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'not very concerned', of 'not at all
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concerned' about Government surveillance.
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Which is fine.
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If that's an informed opinion.
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But I'm not sure that it is.
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Because we actually sent a camera-crew
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to Times Square to ask some random
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passers by who Edward Snowden was,
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and what he did.
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And there are the responses that we got.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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I've heard the name, I just can't picutre
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right now exactly what it is.
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Edward Snowden...
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No. I do not.
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Just for the record, that wasn't
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cherry picking.
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That was entirely reflective of everyone
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we spoke to.
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Although, to be fair, some people
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did remember his name,
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they just couldn't remember why.
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He sold some information to people.
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He revealed some information
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that shouldn't have been revealed.
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I think from what I remember,
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is that the information that he shared
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was detrimental to our military secrets?
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And keeping our soldiers
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and our country safe?
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He leaked documents what the Army's
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operations in Iraq.
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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch
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of secrets, I guess, or information
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into Wiki, Wikileaks?
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Edward Snowden leaked...
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he's in charge of Wikileaks?
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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of
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documents through Wikileaks...?
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Okay, so here's the thing:
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Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.
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The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.
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And you do not want to
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be confused by him.
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Partly because he was far less careful
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than Snowden with what he released,
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and how.
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And partly because he resembles
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a sandwich-bag full of biscuits while
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wearing a Stevie Knicks-wig.
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And that is, that is ciritical.
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Julian Assange is not a like-able man.
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Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not
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make him like-able.
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He's un-Cumberbatch-able.
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That was supposed to be
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physically impossible.
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I don't blame people for being confused.
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We've been looking at this story
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for the last 2 weeks,
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and it is hard to get your head around.
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Not just because there are so many
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complicated programs to keep track of,
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but also because
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there are no easy answers here.
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We all naturally want perfect privacy,
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and perfect safety.
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But those 2 things cannot coexist.
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It's like how you can't have
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a badass pet falcon...
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and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.
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Either you have to lose one of them,
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which obviously you don't want to do.
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Or you have to accept some reasonable
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restrictions on both of them.
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Now to be fair, the NSA will argue
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that just because they can do something
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doesn't mean they do do it.
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And, that there are restrictions on their
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operations, such as the Pfizer-court,
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which, must approve requests for
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foreign surveillance.
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But.
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In 34 years, that court has approved
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some 35000 applications,
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and only rejected 12.
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Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.
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The Pfizer-court is alarmingly accepting.
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"Listen, Robert, I'm not gonna
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ask you too many questions.
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I'm just gonna give you the benefit of the
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doubts that you clearly don't deserve."
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At least tell him to blink and burp less.
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The burping might be the most troubling
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thing about that show.
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So, so maybe there's time for us to talk.
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About where the limits should be.
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And the best place to start would be
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Section 215.
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Not just because it's the easiest one
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to understand,
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but there is wide-spread agreement
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it needs to be reformed.
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From the President, to Ted Cruz,
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to both the ACLU and the NRA,
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to even the guy who wrote the thing
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in the first place.
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I was the principal author
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of the Patriot Act.
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I can say that without qualification
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Congress never did intend to allow
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bulk-collections when it passed
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Section 215.
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And no fair reading of the text would
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allow for this program.
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Think about that.
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He was the author.
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That's the legislative equivalent
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of Lewis Carrol seeing the tea-cups ride
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at Disney Land, and saying:
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"This has got to be reined in.
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No fair reading of my text would allow
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for this ride."
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"You've turned my perfectly nice
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tail of psychedelic paedofilia
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into a garish vomitorium."
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"This is not what I wanted!"
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And even the NSA has said that
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the number of terror-plots
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in the US, that the Section 215
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phone-records program has disrupted is 1.
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And it's worth noting that that 1 plot
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involved a cabdriver in San Diego
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who gave $8500 to a terror-group.
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And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot
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I've ever seen, other than the plot of
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A Good Day To Die Hard.
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But here's the big problem here:
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If we let Section 215 get renewed in it's
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current form, without serious public
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debate, we're in trouble.
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Because Section 215
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is the canary in the coalmine.
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If we cannot fix that,
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we're not gonna fix any of them.
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And the public debate so far,
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has been absolutely pathetic.
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A year ago, a former congresswoman
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was discussing the 215 program on the news.
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Watch wat happened.
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This vast collection of data
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is not that useful, and infringes
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substantially on personal privacy.
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I think at this point we should seriously
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consider not continuing...
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Congress woman, let me interrupt you.
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Let me interrupt you just for one moment.
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We've got some breaking news out of Miami.
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Stand by if you will.
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Right now in Miami, Justin Beiber
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has been arrested on a number of charges.
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The judge is reading the charges,
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including resisting arrest and driving
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under the influence.
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He's appearing now before the judge
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for his bond-hearing. Let's watch.
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Actually, you know what?
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Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt
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your interruption of the Beiber news,
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for a new interruption.
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This time featuring a YouTube video of a
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tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.
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Let's watch.
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That. Is essentially the current tone
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of this vitally important debate.
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And again: I'm not saying this is
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an easy conversation.
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But we have to have it.
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I know this is confusing.
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And unfortunately, the most obvious
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person to talk to about this,
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is Edward Snowden.
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But he currently lives in Russia.
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Meaning, if you wanted to ask him
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about any of these issues,
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you'd have to fly all the way there
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to do it, and it is not a pleasant flight.
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And the reason I know that...
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is that last week, I went to Russia
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to speak to Edward Snowden.
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And this is what happened.
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Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours
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in Moscow.
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Arguably the last place on earth where you
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can find an overweight Josef Stalin
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impersonator arguing with an unconvinsing
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fake Lenin.
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And after experiencing Russia's famously
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warm hospitality, I went to meet
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Edward Snowden.
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Who is supposed to show up in this room
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at noon.
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However, after 5 minutes after
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the interview was scheduled to begin,
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I had a troubling thought.
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I don't know.
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You think he's coming?
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'Cause my argument is:
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Why would he?
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When you think about it.
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I got 2000 roebels that says
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he doesn't make it.
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Without understanding how much that is.
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All I'm saying is...
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a 10-hour flight for an empty chair...
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I'm gonna lose my shit.
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Okay, it turns out that there may be
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a bit of a problem.
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'Cause our Russian producer...
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booked us in a room
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directly overlooking...
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the old KGB-building.
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And the home of the current
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Federal Security Bureau.
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And I'm just been told that they know
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we're here.
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So uhm...
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So that happened.
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Uhm, just if the Russian...
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Russian KGB is listening:
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we'll ring the fire-alarm
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if he's not coming.
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Oh shit.
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Oh God.
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-So sorry for the delay.
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It's fine.
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HOLY SHIT.
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He actually came.
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Edward f*cking Snowden.
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The most famous here and/or traitor
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in recent American history!
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And I've started with a question designed
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to test his loyalties.
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How much do you miss America?
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-You know, my country is something
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-that travels with me, you know.
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-It's not just a geogro...
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Well that's already
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a way too complicated answer.
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The right answer is:
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I miss it a lot, it's the greatest
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country in the world.
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-I do miss my country.
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-I do miss my home, I do miss my family.
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Do you miss hot pockets?
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-Yes.
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-I miss hot pockets. Very much.
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Okay. The entire state of Florida?
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Let's just let that silence
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hang in the air.
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Truck nuts?
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You miss truck nuts?
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-I don't know what they are.
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Lucky for you, Edward...
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Not just truck nuts.
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Stars and stripes truck nuts.
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That is 2 balls of liberty
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in a freedom sack.
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-You really thought ahead.
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Well, at least one of us did.
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You know, 'cause of the... uhm...
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the quandary... the...
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Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.
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Okay. Let's dive in.
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Why did you do this?
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-The NSA has the greatest surveillance
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capabilities that we've ever seen
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in history.
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Now, what they will argue
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is that they don't use this
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for nefarious purposes against
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American citizens.
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In some ways that's true.
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But the real problem is that
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they're using these capabilities
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to make us vulnerable to them,
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and then saying:
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While I've got a gun pointed at your head,
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I'm not going to pull the trigger.
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Trust me.
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So, what does the NSA you want look like?
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'Cause you applied for a job at the NSA.
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So you clearly see an inherent value
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in that shadowy organization.
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I worked with mass-surveillance systems
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against Chinese hackers.
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I saw, that you know, these things
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do have some purpose.
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And you want your spies to be good
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at spying.
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To be fair.
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Right.
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What you don't want...
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is you don't want them spying inside
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their own country.
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Spies are great when they're on our side.
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But we can never forget that they're
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incredibly powerful,
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and incredibly dangerous,
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and when they're off the leash...
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they can end up coming after us.
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But just to be clear, we're talking about
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2 different things here.
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Domestic surveillance,
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and foreign surveillance.
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Right.
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'Cause domestic surveillance...
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Americans give some of a shit about.
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Foreign surveillance...
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they don't give any remote shit about.
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Well the second question is
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when we talk about foreign surveillance
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are we applying it in ways that are
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beneficial...
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No-one cares.
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In terms...
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No. They don't give a shit.
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We spied on UNICEF.
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The children's fund.
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Sure.
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We spied on lawyers negotiating...
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What was UNICEF doing?
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I mean, that's the question there.
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Isn't it?
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The question is:
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are these projects valuable?
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Are we going to be safer when we're spying
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on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about
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the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes.
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I don't think people say that's good.
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I think they'll say:
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I definitely don't care.
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Americans do not give a shit.
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I think you're right.
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About foreign surveillance.
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What some people do care about
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is whether Snowden considered
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the adverse consequences of leaking
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so much information at once.
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How many of those documents
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have you actually read.
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I've evaluated all the documents
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that are in the archive.
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You've read every single one?
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I do understand what I've turned over.
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But there's a difference between
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understanding what's in the documents
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and reading what's in the documents.
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I recognized the concern.
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'Cause when you're handing over
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thousands of NSA documents,
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the last thing you want to do
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is read them.
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I think it's fair to be concerned about,
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'did this person do enough?
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were they careful enough?'
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Especially when you're handling material
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like we know you are handling.
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Well, in my defense:
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I'm not handling anything anymore.
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That's been passed to the journalists,
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and they're using extraordinary
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security measures that this is reported
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in the most responsible way.
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But, those are journalists
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with a lower technical skill-set than you.
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That's true,
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but then they do understand
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just like you and I do.
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Just how important it
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to get this right.
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So the New York Times took a slide,
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didn't redact it properly...
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and...
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in the end it was possible
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for people to see that something
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was being used in Mosul.
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On Al'Qaida.
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That is a problem.
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Well, that's a f*ck-up.
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It is a f*ck-up.
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And these things do happen in reporting.
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In journalism we have to accept
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that some mistakes will be made.
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This is a fundamental concept of liberty.
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Right.
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But you have to own that then.
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You're giving documents with imformation
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you know could be harmful...
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which could get out there.
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Yes.
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If people act in bad faith.
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You're not even talking about bad faith.
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You're talking about incompetents.
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We are.
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But you will never be
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completely free from risk,
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if you're free.
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The only time you can be free from risk
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is when you're in prison.
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While the risks were significant,
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Snowden himself has made it clear.
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He feels the rewards have been worth it.
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You've said in you letters to Brasil:
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"I was motivated by a believe that
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the citizens of the world deserve to
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understand the system in which they live.
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My greatest fear was that no-one
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would listen to my warning.
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Never have I been so glad
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to have been so wrong."
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How did that feel?
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I was initially terrified that this
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was going to be a 3 day story,
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everybody was going to forget about it.
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But when I saw that...
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everybody around the world said:
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"Wow, this is a problem.
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We have to do something about this",
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it felt like vindication.
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Even in America?
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Even in America.
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And I think we're seeing
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something amazing.
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Which is if you ask... the American people
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to make tough decisions,
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to confront tough issues,
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to think about hard problems...
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they'll actually surprise you.
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Okay.
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Here's the problem:
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I did ask some Americans.
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And, boy did it surprise me.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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You've never heard of Edward Snowden?
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No.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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I've heard the name...
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I just can't picture and think right now
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exactly who it is.
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Well, he's... uhm...
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He sold some information to people.
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He revealed some information
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that shouldn't have been revealed.
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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents
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through Wikileaks.
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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch
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of secrets, I guess...
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or information into Wikileaks.
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Edward Snowden leaked... uhm...
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he's in charge of Wikileaks.
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I'm in charge of Wikileaks.
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Not ideal.
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I guess, on the plus side...
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you might be able to go home.
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'Cause it seems like no-one knows
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who the f*ck you are.
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Or what the f*ck you did.
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We can't except everybody to be uniformly
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informed.
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So, did you do this to solve a problem?
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I did this to give the American people
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a chance to decide for themselves
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the kind of government they want to have.
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That is a conversation that I think that
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the American people deserve to decide.
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There is no doubt that it is
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a critical conversation.
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But is it a conversation that we have
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the capacity to have?
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Because it's so complicated.
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We don't fundamentally understand it.
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It is a challenging conversation.
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I mean, it's difficult for most people
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to even conceptualize.
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The problem is,
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the internet is massively complex,
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and so much of it is invisible.
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Service providers, technicians, engineers,
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the phonenumbers....
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Let me stop you right there, Edward.
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'Cause this is the whole problem.
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Right.
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This is the whole problem.
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I just, I glaze over.
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'Cause it's like the IT-guy
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comes into your office,
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and you go: "Ooh shit."
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In fairness...
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"Ooh shit, don't teach me anything."
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"I don't want to learn."
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"You smell like canned soup."
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It's a real challenge to figure out
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how do we communicate
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things that require sort of years and years
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of technical understanding.
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And compress that into seconds of speech.
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So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there.
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But the thing is,
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everything you did only matters
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if we have this conversation properly.
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So let me help you out there.
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You mentioned in an interview
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that the NSA was passing around
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naked photo's of people.
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Yeah. This is something where it's...
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it's not actually seen as a big deal.
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In the culture of NSA.
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Because you see naked pictures
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all of the time.
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That.
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Terrifies people.
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'Cause when we asked people about THAT...
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this is the response you get.
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The Government should not be able
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to look at dick-pictures.
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If the Government was looking at
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a picture of Gordon's penis,
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I definitely feel it would be an invasion
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of my privacy.
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Ah, yeah, if the Government was looking at
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pictures of my penis, that would upset me.
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They should never, ever,
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the US Government have a picture,
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of my dick.
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If my husband sent me
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a picture of his penis,
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and the Government could access it,
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I would want that program to be shut down.
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I would want the Dick-pic Program changed.
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I would also want
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the Dick-pic Program changed.
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I think it would be terrific,
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if the program could change.
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I would want it to be tweeked,
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I would want it to have
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clear and transparent laws
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that we knew about.
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And that were communicated to us.
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To understand what they
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were being used for.
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Or why the were being kept.
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Do you think that program exists?
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I don't.
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I don't think that program exists at all.
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No.
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No.
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No.
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No.
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If I had knowledge that the US Government
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had a picture of my dick...
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I would be very pissed off.
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Well...
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The good news is that there's no
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program named 'the Dick-pic Program'.
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The bad news is that they're still
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collecting everybody's information.
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Including your dick-pics.
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What's the over/under of that last guy
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sent a dick-pic recently?
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You don't need to guess.
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I'll show you.
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I did.
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I did take a picture of my... dick.
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And I sent it to a girl. Recently.
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This is the most visible line in the sand
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for people.
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"Can they see my dick?"
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So, with that in mind...
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look inside that folder.
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That.
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Is a picture of my dick.
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So let's go through each NSA program,
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and explain to me it's capabilities
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in regards to that photograph...
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of my penis.
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So.
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702 Surveillance: can they see my dick?
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Yes.
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The Pfizen act of 2008,
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which Section 702 falls under,
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allows the bulk-collection of
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internet communications that are
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one-end foreign.
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Bulk-collection:
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now we're talking about my dick.
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You get it.
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I do.
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Because it's, it's, yeah.
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So, if you have you're email somewhere...
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like G-mail, hosted over seas or
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transferred somewhere over seas,
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or any time crosses outside the borders
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of the United States...
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you're junk ends up in the database.
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So it doesn't have to be
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sending your dick to a German?
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No.
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Even if you sent it to somebody
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within the United States,
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your wholly domestic communication
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between you and your wife
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can go from New York...
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to London and back.
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And get caught up in the database.
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Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick?
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Yes.
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EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses
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when the other authorities aren't
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aggressive enough,
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or they're not catching as much
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as they like.
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For example...
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How are they gonna see my dick?
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I'm only concerned about my penis.
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When you send your junk
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through G-mail, for example,
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that's stored on Google-servers.
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Google moves data.
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From datacenter to datacenter.
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Invisibly to you, without your knowledge.
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Your data could be moved outside
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the borders of the United States.
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Oh no.
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Temporarily.
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When your junk was passed by G-mail,
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the NSA caught a copy of that.
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Prism.
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Prism is how they pull your junk
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out of Google, with Google's involvement.
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All of the different Prism partners,
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people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google,
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the Government deputizes them, to be,
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sort of their little surveillance sherif.
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They're a dick-sherif.
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Correct.
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Uhm, Upstream.
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Upstream is how they snatch your junk
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as it transes the internet.
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Okay. Mystic.
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If you're describing your junk
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on the phone?
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Yes.
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But do they have the content
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of that junk-call,
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or just the duration of it?
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They have the content as well,
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but only for a few countries.
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If you are on vacation in the Bahamas?
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Yes.
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Finally. And you need to remind yourself?
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No, I'm just not sure...
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what to do with this.
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Just hold on to it.
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It's a lot of responsibility.
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Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility.
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That's the whole point.
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Should I...?
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No, you should absolutely not.
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And it's unbelievable
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that you would do that.
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Actually, it's entirely believable.
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215 meta-data?
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No.
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Good.
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But...
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Come on, Ed.
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They can probably tell who you're sharing
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your junk pictures with.
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Because they're seeing
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who you're texting with,
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who you're calling.
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If you're calling
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the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM
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and that call lasted 90 minutes?
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They would have a record
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of YOUR phone-number
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calling THAT phone-number.
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(Which is a penis enlargement center).
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They would say they don't know
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it's penis enlargement center,
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but of course they can look it up.
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Edward, if the American people
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understood this...
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they would be absolutely horrified.
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I guess I never thought about putting it
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in the...
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in the context of your junk.
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Would a good take-away from this be...
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'Until such time as we sorted
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all of this out...
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don't take pictures of your dick'.
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Just don't do it anymore.
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No.
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If we do that.
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Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'?
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Yeah.
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You should be
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taking pictures of your dick?
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Yes.
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You shouldn't change your behavior
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because a Government agency somehwere
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is doing the wrong thing.
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If you sacrifice our values
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because we're afraid...
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we don't care
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about those values very much.
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That is a pretty inspiring answer
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to the question:
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"Hey, why did you just send me a picutre
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of your dick?"
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"Because I love America, that's why."
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So there you have it, America.
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All of us should now be equipped
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to have this vital debate.
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Because by June 1,
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it is imperative we have a rational,
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adult conversation
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about whether our safety is worth
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living in a country of barely regulated
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Government sanctioned dick-sherifs.
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And with my work here done,
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there was just time to take care of
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one more thing.
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Finally, congratulations
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on winning the Oscar.
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I know you couldn't be at the ceremony
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for obvious reasons, so...
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Hah?
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Wow.
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I thought we'd celebrate ourselves.
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Cheers.
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Wow, that's...
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that's really something.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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What's the over/under on me
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getting home safely?
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Well, if you weren't on the list before,
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you are now.
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Is that like, uhm...
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is that like a figu... is that like a joke
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or is that actually possible?
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No, it's... it's a real thing.
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You're associated now.
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Okay.
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Just to be clear NSA:
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I never met this guy, so
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take me off you're f*cking list.
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I do not want to get stuck in Russia.
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I want to go home I want to go home
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I want to go home I want to go home
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Now, just for the record.
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Just so you know.
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We got in touch with the NSA,
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the National Security Council,
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and the White House,
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and we asked them to comment
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on the dick-pick capabilities
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of each of the programs Edward Snowden
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just discussed.
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Which incidentally was some very fun
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emails to write to Government agencies.
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They didn't wish to comment on the record.
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And I can see why,
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for every possible reason.