Tarek Loubani: Free Software and Hardware bring National Sovereignty
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0:10 - 0:13Herald: Our next speaker is Tarek Loubani.
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0:13 - 0:15He is an emergency physician,
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0:15 - 0:18working in the Gaza Strip and in Canada
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0:18 - 0:21and he is developing medical hardware devices.
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0:21 - 0:26And he is going to tell us about the
Palestinian use of free hardware and software. -
0:26 - 0:30So enjoy and give a warm welcome to Tarek.
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0:30 - 0:33applause
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0:33 - 0:39Tarek: ... (missing Audio)
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0:39 - 0:44Thank you to CCC for inviting me
to give this talk -
0:44 - 0:48and to you for being here tonight.
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0:48 - 0:54I want to start with just some very basic information
here about myself. -
0:54 - 0:58If we can get the video feed up.
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1:05 - 1:09OK, so there we go.
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1:09 - 1:14If you want to get a hold of me, you can find me,
find this project on github, -
1:14 - 1:19you can find our team on openmed at freenode,
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1:19 - 1:21or you can always get a hold of me by e-mail,
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1:21 - 1:26hopefully one of the easiest e-mails
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1:26 - 1:30And I'll bring that information up at the end.
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1:30 - 1:34I want to start then with a story:
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1:34 - 1:40This is another story, because you heard so many
about refugees. -
1:40 - 1:42But this story is a personal one,
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1:42 - 1:45because it is my story as a refugee.
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1:45 - 1:52And about the time, that my father reminded me
of who I was. -
1:52 - 1:56He put this card in front of me,
when I was 8 years old. -
1:56 - 1:59This card was literally the only thing,
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1:59 - 2:05that atested to my existence as a human being
for the first 12 years of my life. -
2:05 - 2:12It says: The director general affirms that
Tarek Loubani is a palestinian. -
2:12 - 2:17And as proof, I have given him
this identity card. -
2:17 - 2:23Not a lot to work, not a lot to own,
not a lot to do anything. That was it. -
2:23 - 2:26And so I sat in front of my father,
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2:26 - 2:30I just got, I think it was a C
on some meaningless subject -
2:30 - 2:34as an 8 year old. Who cares?
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2:34 - 2:38But he cared. He put that paper in front of me
and he said: -
2:38 - 2:43Son, this paper, it doesn't prove
that you're somebody, -
2:43 - 2:47it proves, that you're nobody,
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2:47 - 2:49that you're nothing.
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2:49 - 2:55And there we were, living in Kuwait with
a nice appartment that we had rented -
2:55 - 2:57A and a car outfront. And he said:
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2:57 - 3:02all of these things didn't belong to us and
could be taken in a moment. -
3:02 - 3:07He had only one caveat to this nihilism.
He said: -
3:07 - 3:12There is only one thing you have, one thing
that the wolfs can never take away from you. -
3:12 - 3:16One thing, that you can never be dispossessed of.
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3:16 - 3:20And that's what you know,
that's the information in your head. -
3:20 - 3:24That's what's up in here.
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3:24 - 3:30And so was thesapokalyptic warning would
result in me and my family minus my father -
3:30 - 3:33because he was trapped in Kuwait at the time
driving through this: -
3:33 - 3:36The highway of death
as it would later be called. -
3:36 - 3:40With my mother crying tears for weeks
while she got us out, -
3:40 - 3:46her 4 children until we finally made our way
through, I think it was 4 or 5 different countries -
3:46 - 3:49and into Canada.
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3:49 - 3:56Mine is a microcosmic lesson of the lesson,
that all Palestinian were given. -
3:56 - 4:01Because all Palestinian have been dispossessed
at some point or will be. -
4:01 - 4:06What do you think the parents of these
children will tell them -
4:06 - 4:09about who they are and what they possess?
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4:09 - 4:14What do you think is the meaning of their homes
and physical possessions? -
4:14 - 4:20What is it that they own or that they have?
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4:20 - 4:23Their parents will tell them,
what my parents told me: -
4:23 - 4:32You have nothing and you are nothing.
Only what's in here. -
4:32 - 4:43And so, if they are in their predatory drones
then we must be the prey. -
4:43 - 4:48And that means, that we'll always live in the
third world a different life -
4:48 - 4:52from the life the people live in the developed
world. -
4:52 - 5:00You have to be on one of the two sides of
that predator drone of that advanced missle, -
5:00 - 5:07of that technology, that litigation of
treaty. -
5:07 - 5:14And we had seen the light of the first world
from that those refugees camps. -
5:14 - 5:19We saw it. And what we wanted was not
the Playstation 4s and the iPhones -
5:19 - 5:23though yes, of course. Great stuff.
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5:23 - 5:25What we wanted was the CT scanners
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5:25 - 5:29and the hospitals that were outfitted so that
you could feel like you cold go in them -
5:29 - 5:34and come a whole human being still
just like you went in. -
5:34 - 5:40That is the wealth that we wanted. That is the
wealth that we saw and that is the wealth -
5:40 - 5:42that they protected.
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5:42 - 5:47Both metaphorically and literally
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5:47 - 5:54through all manner of instruments of
neoliberalism and colonialism. -
5:54 - 5:56They do it
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5:56 - 6:05because to them everything, everything
they see, everything in the world around them -
6:05 - 6:08is fish.
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6:08 - 6:10They can't see the world any other way.
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6:10 - 6:16And so they think, that if you catch a fish
I can't have that same fish. -
6:16 - 6:21And they don't realise, that we live in a
different world, where not everything is fish. -
6:21 - 6:26Where there is information
and that information can go anywhere, -
6:26 - 6:33and be anything and it can help everybody
at the same time. -
6:33 - 6:35It's not a new concept.
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6:35 - 6:41It's a concept that was almost perfected
by Magritte, 85 years ago -
6:41 - 6:44represented here:
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6:44 - 6:47That is not a pipe.
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6:47 - 6:50It is the information to make a pipe.
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6:50 - 6:59That is not an STL. Or that is not a
reproduction, that is an STL. -
7:01 - 7:06Let's put some economic terms on this,
because the people, who we are working against, -
7:06 - 7:11the people who promote the anti commons
they put language on this stuff. -
7:11 - 7:13This is the main language.
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7:13 - 7:19We can divide it into two main axes:
excludable and rivalrous. -
7:19 - 7:23All items more or less fall into these categories.
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7:23 - 7:29And so fish falls into this category. It is a
non-excludable, largely commodity -
7:29 - 7:32that is rivalrous. Indeed
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7:32 - 7:37it is very hard to keep people from
catching fish out in the harbour. -
7:37 - 7:44But if one person catches one fish, then
the next person can not. -
7:46 - 7:51Where society wants us to be by and large is right here:
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7:51 - 7:57Products that are non-rivalrous but excludable.
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7:57 - 8:05Think for example of an mp3. An mp3 should be this:
public good, it is not excludable, -
8:05 - 8:09you can't keep people from it.
It is non-rivalrous. -
8:09 - 8:16You give somebody an mp3, you haven't
taken away an mp3 from anybody else. -
8:16 - 8:21And yet, what is desired, is for everything
to be here: -
8:21 - 8:23A club good.
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8:23 - 8:25You need a membership.
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8:25 - 8:30Be that the country you live in or
the amount of money that you make. -
8:30 - 8:35It is excludable.
Because they have excluded you. -
8:35 - 8:39Not because of any inaid or inherant reason.
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8:39 - 8:44How can we turn things from club goods
into public goods or -
8:44 - 8:50another question: how have they turned things
from public goods into club goods? -
8:50 - 8:55Well, here two men who've led the charge:
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8:55 - 8:58Birch Bayh and Bob Dole.
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8:58 - 9:04They came up with this legislation, that
ended up, basically making it so, that -
9:04 - 9:10one thing that was available, non-excludable
and non-rivalrous, that is -
9:10 - 9:16all of the information coming out of universities
and these sorts of charities and other little groups -
9:16 - 9:22could now be patented. Patenting is the
main weapon here. -
9:22 - 9:27That's how you turn things from usable by
everybody, available to everybody -
9:27 - 9:33to usable by a few and available to few.
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9:33 - 9:38Their policy was absolutely a success.
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9:38 - 9:48Here you see the patents, starting from 1963
all the way to 2014. Total patents granted. -
9:48 - 9:541980 is highlighted in blue. Everything before
that is basically since the time of a man -
9:54 - 9:57named Vannevar Bush,
who kind of floated the main idea, -
9:57 - 10:01that information should kind of be out for folks.
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10:01 - 10:03And as you can see, it's relatively stable.
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10:03 - 10:07More or less minor deviations
more or less the same. -
10:07 - 10:13But from 1980 to 2014 it virtually looks exponential.
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10:13 - 10:16So closer with the numbers.
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10:16 - 10:251980 66 thousend patents, in 2014 326033.
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10:25 - 10:31And so these weapons, they've resulted in
us not being able to take things from -
10:31 - 10:37simple idea to something we can use,
but instead we are loaded, -
10:37 - 10:43we have to walk through these landmines.
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10:43 - 10:48Now, this is a story that you all already know.
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10:48 - 10:50Because it doesn't matter what country
you live in. -
10:50 - 10:53I'm guessing that everybody here lives in
first world. -
10:53 - 10:59These are issues, that innovators in the first world
must content with. -
10:59 - 11:05But by and large these are issues that stop
people in the first world from becoming rich. -
11:05 - 11:09In the third world these are issues,
that can mean the difference between -
11:09 - 11:12life and death.
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11:12 - 11:21applause
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11:21 - 11:26Here is an example from the late 90s
early 2000s. -
11:26 - 11:32Profiteering pharmaceutical companies versus
South Africa. -
11:32 - 11:37South Africa was in the middle of a
absolutely terrible crisis, -
11:37 - 11:42which arguable they have not exited
with HIV AIDS -
11:42 - 11:46and pharmaceutical companies using
the weapon of patents -
11:46 - 11:52were saying: ehm, sorry, we can not give you
this medication at the rate you can affort, -
11:52 - 11:58we can not give this medication to everybody,
because what protects our profits? -
11:58 - 12:04Now, most people aren't that crass most of the
time, there are not saying what protects our profits, -
12:04 - 12:08because that's bad public relations.
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12:08 - 12:13But they say: Oh, what about our research and
development funds etc etc. -
12:13 - 12:17Of course mostly done on the public dime.
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12:17 - 12:24But in the end every once in a while, we happen to
see, one of the type, who pops up, who speaks -
12:24 - 12:33a little bit more from the heart, as we have seen
recently. -
12:33 - 12:41What my father told me initially, was what I've been
taught for all the years of my life. -
12:41 - 12:43music
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12:43 - 12:49What he told me is that either
you are one of the predators -
12:49 - 12:52or one of the prey.
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12:52 - 12:59It is an absolutely irrefutable truth.
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12:59 - 13:04It's a natural order.
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13:04 - 13:07It is absolut. God gave us this.
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13:07 - 13:09You have to be on one side or the other.
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13:09 - 13:12You just have to accept it.
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13:14 - 13:20music of video still playing
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14:25 - 14:30And so if you're born the caribou,
you have to own that existence, -
14:31 - 14:32and just accept it.
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14:35 - 14:44Well, just before I got on my plane here.
I was at work as a doctor. -
14:44 - 14:48When I went to my shift, I did not go there,
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14:48 - 14:52so that I would allow the natural order
to take its course. -
14:52 - 14:57I did not wake up today, so that the natural
order would take its course. -
14:59 - 15:00Fuck the natural order.
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15:00 - 15:03And fuck the world's who are behind it.
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15:03 - 15:05I don't want it.
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15:05 - 15:07People in Palestine don't want it.
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15:07 - 15:09My patience don't want it.
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15:09 - 15:11None of us want it.
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15:12 - 15:14So, why do we accept it?
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15:18 - 15:20If we look at the world around us
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15:20 - 15:28what we're seeing then, is this thing, that
we want to just throw off that natural order. -
15:28 - 15:34But the terms of our insurgency have to be
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15:34 - 15:37careful.
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15:37 - 15:41You can't as the caribou look at the wolf and say:
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15:41 - 15:43ehm, well, I don't really care, you know,
fuck you and fuck your natural order -
15:43 - 15:46and I am not participating.
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15:47 - 15:49You have to be careful,
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15:49 - 15:52because they are potent, they are dangerous.
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15:52 - 15:58In this particular case the main danger
to us in the third world and developing nations -
15:58 - 16:00is treaties.
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16:00 - 16:06These laws are applied on us by treaty and
you can't just opt out. -
16:06 - 16:11The Palestinian economic system is shut down
by FIAT -
16:11 - 16:14Medication can't arrive by FIAT.
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16:14 - 16:23All of these things happen, because we are too
weak. -
16:23 - 16:28And so, how do you respond?
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16:28 - 16:31What is the tool of resistance?
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16:31 - 16:33We eluded to it earlier.
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16:33 - 16:36My father even told it to me as a child.
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16:36 - 16:37Knowledge
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16:37 - 16:39and the Commons
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16:39 - 16:43That is where a better future comes from.
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16:43 - 16:45And that is where our examples live.
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16:45 - 16:49So let's think about the free software movement.
Let's look at some examples. -
16:49 - 16:55Some of you are German.
Munich is one such example. -
16:55 - 17:02Munich has shifted allmost all of their city
digital infrastructure into free and open source. -
17:02 - 17:04They even have their own Linux distribution.
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17:04 - 17:06That's pretty amazing actually.
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17:06 - 17:12There are other examples, that are some minor
cities here and there. -
17:12 - 17:14There are some state wide examples.
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17:14 - 17:17For example, such as Kerala in India.
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17:17 - 17:23The chief minister basically like the prime, the
highest person within Kerala at the time said: -
17:23 - 17:28We believe that free and open-source software
is an essential component in our drive to -
17:28 - 17:35democratise information technology and bring
its benefits to all sections of society. -
17:38 - 17:45In additon to Kerala, Tamil Nadu has done
something similar, also in India. -
17:45 - 17:50And then there are some partial ministry level
efforts, that have been happening, -
17:50 - 17:56for example Italy, in their ministry of, I think it is,
defense or interior, you know, had decided -
17:56 - 18:00just a small move to go from Microsoft Office
to Libre Office. -
18:00 - 18:04Apperently small moves, but really
meaningful to the people around us. -
18:04 - 18:09We'll look at this from places like
Palestine, like the Gaza Strip, where I work, -
18:09 - 18:12and we think, why can't we do that?
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18:12 - 18:15Why can't we participate in these commons?
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18:15 - 18:17What is it, that we can do to contribute?
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18:17 - 18:21At the national level, there are a couple of very
potent examples. -
18:21 - 18:25The two main examples, that I ran into,
were Equador and Brazil. -
18:25 - 18:30Equador, if you guys were at the talk yesterday
is a very interesting and nuanced place. -
18:30 - 18:34So there are some authoritarian tendencies.
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18:34 - 18:38Bethany Horne, who I believe is in our
audiency here, I won't point her out, -
18:38 - 18:44is one person, who's been visited by the
authoritarianism of the group. -
18:44 - 18:50But notwithstanding, they are doing some very
good things and one of those very good things -
18:50 - 18:54is free software at the national level.
That's actually quite incredible. -
18:54 - 18:57Directed from the presidency.
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18:57 - 19:06Brazil very similar. Brazil started their move
almost the same time, maybe a little bit before. -
19:06 - 19:13So, Palestine looks quite ripe. For exactly the
same thing we've been seen, -
19:13 - 19:15has a few characteristics:
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19:15 - 19:20These are the literacy levels of
a few different countries. -
19:20 - 19:24United States and Germany,
basically 1% who are illiterate. -
19:24 - 19:28Brazil and Equador 90.4 and 91.6
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19:28 - 19:36Palestine 95.3. That's the Westbank and the
Gaza Strip. My best guess, if you would include -
19:36 - 19:39the diaspora that number would go significantly up.
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19:39 - 19:41Because the diaspora tends to be well educated.
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19:41 - 19:45That means that this lesson
that my father gave me is a lesson that -
19:45 - 19:50clearly Palestinians have been receiving for
years if not decades. -
19:50 - 19:54They're intelligent people, they're well educated.
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19:54 - 20:00They're living under occupation and they want to
see a change. -
20:00 - 20:04So, we've started all of the same things
that you would expect. -
20:04 - 20:09We started of course replacing all of our servers
with Apache based -
20:09 - 20:11if any of them were ever on Windows.
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20:11 - 20:16We've started of course using backends for
our contact management systems, like -
20:16 - 20:18Joomla and Drupal.
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20:18 - 20:21Of course, we started doing those things.
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20:21 - 20:24In terms of the infrastructure that's more or less
the step where we are. -
20:24 - 20:30We are at infrastructural components rather
then desktops. -
20:30 - 20:35We have a very nascent EMR,
that will be coming up hopefully soon. -
20:35 - 20:44And we expect that this EMR will leverage at the
best of what we have and what we see. -
20:44 - 20:50However there is something else that's interessing
a response to the necessity we have in Palestine. -
20:50 - 20:56We learned that lesson from people, decorating
their shoes, submerging their computers -
20:56 - 21:03from Novenas and homemade
chicken CT scanners. -
21:03 - 21:09And what we started doing is making our
own hardware as well. -
21:09 - 21:16I believe that the Gaza Strip is the first place
that is trying a national level strategy for -
21:16 - 21:20open source hardware and is pushing it hard.
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21:20 - 21:29We saw 3D printers, we saw how they worked.
We wanted our own and we got them. -
21:29 - 21:32Leftmost is the very first 3D printer ever
made in Gaza. -
21:32 - 21:38In the middle and the next one are their children.
Made entirely in Gaza. -
21:38 - 21:43Some of the electronics have to come in,
all of the motors are salvaged from garbage. -
21:43 - 21:47We expect that within a year, we'll be able to
make everything domestically. -
21:47 - 21:51That's our hope and that's our dream and
I think we can get there. -
21:51 - 21:55Of course my own work has been to make
medical devices. -
21:55 - 21:57That's where I've been leveraging them.
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21:57 - 21:59This is a stethoscope, a very early version.
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21:59 - 22:03This is the final version as of 3 weeks ago
approved by Health Canada. -
22:03 - 22:08This is a first world medical device,
that is available for pennies. -
22:08 - 22:18applause
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22:18 - 22:212 Dollars and 50 Cents to replace
a 300 Dollar stethoscope. -
22:21 - 22:25It's not that people have 300 Dollar stethoscope
running around, I said they had nothing. -
22:25 - 22:28Now they have something.
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22:28 - 22:31It's been with the help of Kliment, who you will
recognise from around here and -
22:31 - 22:33Jenn who you will recognise from here
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22:33 - 22:40and some engineers, who I can't really show,
because I fear for their safety. -
22:40 - 22:43Our Palestinians, the heros,
the real heros of this work. -
22:43 - 22:49And as you can see here from a frequency-audio
response curve, it's as good as anything out there. -
22:49 - 22:55We're working next on a pulse oximeter with the
help of really talented engineer Hanan Anis -
22:55 - 23:02from University of Ottawa. And that should be
ready by the middle of next year. -
23:02 - 23:06Surgical tools will be forthcoming, because
right now in Gaza we're washing everything -
23:06 - 23:08with salt water.
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23:08 - 23:16And prostetics are coming, we hope.
Lots of issues there, but not technical. -
23:16 - 23:24We have this origin story for the commons, as
so the commons was something from the past. -
23:24 - 23:27That was there and then now it's gone.
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23:27 - 23:30But that origin story, I think, is a myth.
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23:30 - 23:34And when we recognise, that the commons
are actually an evolution of where we are -
23:34 - 23:38rather than somewhere that we were before,
we trying to reclaim. -
23:38 - 23:43Then I think the next step is trying to
figure out, how to get back there. -
23:43 - 23:49At that's what we are trying to do in Palestine.
How do we get back there? -
23:49 - 23:56The biggest way is to break down those borders
and blockades and share information. -
23:56 - 24:04And so, I want to invite you, all of you
to come with me to Gaza -
24:04 - 24:12In May for the first international Free and
Open Source Health Conference. -
24:12 - 24:18Where we will discuss these ideas
and where we will try to move forward -
24:18 - 24:23the commons. If the anti commons
is generally funded by -
24:23 - 24:27military industrial complex, as we see within
Silicon Valley and so on, -
24:27 - 24:32then maybe this commons can be funded
by the ever green spending -
24:32 - 24:36that we always have in health care.
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24:36 - 24:40Health care is one of the biggest spends
in the Gaza Strip. -
24:40 - 24:47And if we direct it in the right places we can also
use it to develop our national sovereignty. -
24:47 - 24:53Join me, in whatever where you can.
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24:53 - 24:57And let's make it more sovereign
better place. -
24:57 - 24:59For Gaza and for everywhere else.
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24:59 - 25:00Thank you.
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25:00 - 25:12applause
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25:12 - 25:19Herald: Thank you for the talk.
And we have about 5 min for questions. -
25:19 - 25:27So please if you have any questions line up
in front of one of the microphones. -
25:32 - 25:33Please!
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25:33 - 25:41Question: I would like to know, how did you
distribute your open source instruments. -
25:41 - 25:48Is it also possible for other countries that have
the same problems as in Palestinian areas -
25:48 - 25:50to get those?
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25:50 - 25:55Tarek: Yes, absolutely. One thing we don't do
is give medical devices. -
25:55 - 26:00Anybody who's interested, and there have been
few ministry to ministry contacts on this, -
26:00 - 26:05is basically encouraged to start up their own
fundamentally fab lab. -
26:05 - 26:12So, what we do is, we go into a country, talk to their
engineers, engineering departments and so on, -
26:12 - 26:17and we try to get them up and running,
so that they're manufacturing their own stuff. -
26:17 - 26:24This means anybody who's tried to start an open
source project or free and open source project -
26:24 - 26:27will know that the more contributors the better.
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26:27 - 26:28You don't want consumers.
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26:28 - 26:30You want people, who are participating.
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26:30 - 26:36And so anybody who wants to... it's under an open
source licence. The open hardware licence. -
26:36 - 26:40And actually it's also cross licenced to GPLv3.
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26:40 - 26:45Please take it. It would be my privilege to see it
in the news everywhere else. It really would be. -
26:45 - 26:51Everybody who's working on it, wants to see that.
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26:56 - 27:02Herald: OK, thank you very much again and see
you at the next talk, enjoy the rest of the conference. -
27:02 - 27:06Oh, wait we have a question from the internet
it seems. -
27:06 - 27:11Question: What would be the solution to Palestine?
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27:15 - 27:20Tarek: I don't think you need to worry about the
occupation. I think that's the question. -
27:20 - 27:23Don't worry about the occupation.
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27:23 - 27:27The occupation is a little bit like a marathon.
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27:27 - 27:31You have to keep working, we see the end though.
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27:31 - 27:34The Palestinian will take care of their own freedom.
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27:34 - 27:36You don't need to worry about that one.
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27:36 - 27:41All you need to do as much as possible,
is try to not participate within the occupation. -
27:41 - 27:47Now, I travel through Israel and nobody, who
travels through Israel is allowed to endorse -
27:47 - 27:53the boycott divestment and sanctions campaign,
because that would be illegal and would mean -
27:53 - 27:55I could not travel through Israel.
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27:55 - 27:59However some people consider it to be a
nonviolent way of participating against -
27:59 - 28:02the occupation.
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28:02 - 28:07Now, what we do need to do is figure out
what happens the day after occupation -
28:07 - 28:16that's what worries me. For example there is
a Coca Cola bottling company being built -
28:16 - 28:22in the Gaza Strip. Why? It's going to use more
water than the entire Gaza Strip has available to it. -
28:22 - 28:27More concrete than in all of the construction
projects. Why? -
28:27 - 28:31Because they are looking for the day after
occupation. -
28:31 - 28:35And what I don't want is for Palestine to turn
into South Africa. -
28:35 - 28:42Beautiful dreams, excellent vision and you
loose the war the day after the occupation ends. -
28:42 - 28:46That's why we have to encourage
these democratic institutions. -
28:46 - 28:51That's why we have to participate in these, I guess
essentually like chaos based -
28:51 - 28:56anarchist based collectives, that are going to move
forward the democratic process there -
28:56 - 29:00and everywhere else.
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29:00 - 29:05applause
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29:05 - 29:11Herald: So we have time for one final question.
The microphone at the right please. -
29:11 - 29:16Question: The big one. Can you say something
about the interface between open medical devices -
29:16 - 29:23and regulation? So in Europe most of the stuff is
public or a lot of it is public, so you have two layers -
29:23 - 29:28of regulation: one is what devices you're authorised
to use and operating on the human body. -
29:28 - 29:32The other one is how you're authorised
to buy the stuff, -
29:32 - 29:36so procurement regulation is very, very rigid
in some European countries -
29:36 - 29:41in term of medical devices. Most of the stuff
would be illegal. -
29:41 - 29:46Tarek: It was very important for us, the project
wasn't, you know, people have made stethoscopes -
29:46 - 29:51and actually a lot of people told me this. They
said, your's isn't the first 3D printed stethoscope. -
29:51 - 29:54I made one, we made one, whatever it is.
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29:54 - 29:57And it is true, we are not nearly the first
3D printed stethoscope. -
29:57 - 30:05We are the first validated and now Health Canada
approved 3D printed stethoscope. -
30:05 - 30:13I think that these regulations are actually
a good thing, because the population is -
30:13 - 30:17an incredibly vulnerable population
on the other side. -
30:17 - 30:21We see a lots of experiments being run on poor,
disenfranchised people. -
30:21 - 30:23It happens in the first world.
Think Tuskegee and -
30:23 - 30:26similar things are happening today.
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30:26 - 30:32It happens in the third world,
think Nestle and such projects. -
30:32 - 30:35So I think the regulations are a good thing.
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30:35 - 30:39The FDA, you know, probably not. It's very
expensive, very hard to get through. -
30:39 - 30:45But it's not taxing to get through
reasonable regulatory bodies, like Health Canada. -
30:45 - 30:51I myself don't object. What I see in the Gaza Strip
is people there want to know -
30:51 - 30:56that they're not receiving garbage. So they're
asking for these regulatory approvals. -
30:56 - 31:02The Gaza Strip will not use expired medical
devices, that people, you know well-wishers and -
31:02 - 31:07some hospital in the first world that decided
I like rather throw this away in the Gaza Strip -
31:07 - 31:10than throw this away in the garbage.
No we don't want that. -
31:10 - 31:16There is a dignity as well that has to be provided.
And that dignity comes with the same standards -
31:16 - 31:21being met in the third world as in the first world
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31:21 - 31:27Herald: OK, thank you very much. Unfortunately
we are out of time, but I hope you enjoy the -
31:27 - 31:30rest of the congress and see you at the next talk.
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