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<v ->I've always felt that there's</v>
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this very strong connection for me,
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between the thread of sewing
and the line of that thread
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and the thread of writing.
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(charcoal scraping across canvas)
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(sewing machine)
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I certainly grew up doing a
lot of hand work, needle work,
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sewing, knitting, embroidery,
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all of those traditional textile arts.
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I think the process is just really satisfying,
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but the metaphors that cloth offer up
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are really extraordinarily beautiful
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because every piece of cloth that we wear
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is made up of all these individual threads,
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whatever their weave,
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and that each one of those is still something
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that you can see,
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and the whole cloth needs each one of those.
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And so it's a social metaphor to me.
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It's actually very beautiful.
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The very first piece I did
when I was in graduate school,
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I had taken a, just kind of generic gray man suit,
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and covered it in toothpicks
so that the whole skin of cloth
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became like a hide. It looked like a porcupine.
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(ethereal music)
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<v ->(whispering) Find the
linear broken below a human.
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I know for me,
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that relationship between the
thread and the written line
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and the drawn line,
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it's about a really very fundamental act of making
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(indistinct whispering)
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that the relationship of the
line that makes something
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is related to how we make things with language.
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<v ->(whispering) Certainty.</v>
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<v ->I think that I'm always trying to work</v>
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with words as materials,
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the same way I work with other kinds of materials.
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The project "Lineament," which is a title
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that comes from a Wallace Stevens poem.
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That flat two-dimensional plane of the page
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is made into a three-dimensional body
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because each line is lifted
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out of the book as if it is a thread.
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And that thread of text is run through the hands,
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it's tactile, it's touched,
and then it creates a ball,
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which is the body of the page.
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So. there are all these places I see
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that there's this constant tie of thread as line
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and line as line of writing.
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Yeah. Now go down that way. Right.
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(crinkling plastic)
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I'm just gonna set up the
pipes and then we'll bring the
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fabric over.
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Seven, eight, nine
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For me, working in installation
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is to work in relation to a particular place.
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You're coming in and you're, in some senses,
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animating the space
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and you don't know what that space or situation
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will do to you and vice versa,
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what you will do to it. (laughs)
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Like, you try to make yourself blank
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so that you can just pay
attention to what comes up,
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what it makes you think of...
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What are the things you feel?
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All of those ways that your skin is a organ
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and is a membrane is incredibly smart,
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and immediately you walk through any threshold
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and, you know, it's... you smell.
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And you feel the temperature and the light
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and all of those things that
have an enormous influence.
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(birds chirping)
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<v ->This particular building,</v>
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it's had 1200 people working here at one time.
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it's in an area that was sort
of like a company town area,
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and it's been forgotten.
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And it just went out of
business about three months ago.
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<v ->(whispering) So, it's...</v>
I didn't ever actually visit this building
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when it was in operation,
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but as a textile factory and house of production,
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that was now silenced.
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You know, the hollowness of that,
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the emptiness of that was very palpable.
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I'm all thumbs today with these strings.
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(indistinct)
Can you grab this string?
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<v ->I wanted to have one room
be the room of the writer
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and one room be the room of the reader.
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And now they've become ghost-like suspensions
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of silk organza that sit side by side.
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So, they're identical in form.
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They're about 30 foot square rooms
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that are just suspended within the architecture.
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(metal clanging)
Yeah.
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<v ->Hey Emmitt, can you carry this over there</v>
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with the other pipes?
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<v Offscreen Male>Honey, he can do it.</v>
Don't, don't worry about it.
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<v Emmitt>Yeah.</v>
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<v Ann>There you go. And then
within each of those rooms,
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there's a long 10 foot wooden table,
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and upon that will be a spinning projector.
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(metal clanging)
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<v ->With what Anne's doing.</v>
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Remember, she's not a traditional artist
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in the sense that it's a piece of painting
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or it's a piece of sculpture.
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This is something that people
really have to reach for
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and break out of what they expect to see.
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And it's saying really to the people
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that there's more here
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than we even saw.
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And there's someone else that's seeing that.
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Here, Emmitt, you can help
pull the projector. Okay?
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<v ->So right now, this is
actually the section
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that's going backwards in the video.
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So it's the pencils, like, eating the line.
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(whooshing)
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Part of making work is to allow those things,
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perhaps that are always already there,
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but not visible to us
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and to try to make them visible
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in a way that they're experience-able.
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(whooshing)
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(crickets)
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(bells clanging)
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(indistinct whispering)
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(birds chirping)
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This Jeffersonian neoclassical building we inherit
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as a real emblem of an American democratic ideal.
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(women speaking in phonetic code)
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And so, I wanted to engage that in the building.
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How do we deal with the stains of our own history?
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How do we take those aspects
of our social history,
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slavery being the largest one.
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That we have a democratic country that was founded
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and based in slavery, and
how do you talk about that?
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I felt like the only way to do it, perhaps,
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was very abstractly.
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This stream of intensely chromed fusca powder
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sifted down the walls.
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And it would catch on raise plaster dots
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that were fixed to the wall,
spelling out a text in braille.
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And that text was edited from the poems
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by Charles Resnikoff.
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From the corner of each of the four rooms,
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there was a soundtrack
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of Lincoln's second inaugural address,
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which was really one of healing.
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It was translated letter by letter
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into the phonetic alphabet.
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(Women whispering phonetic code)
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(birds chirping)
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(door opening)
(door closing)
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Come on, Timmy. Let's go.
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(dog leash clanking)
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<v ->I live in Ohio and I
moved back after teaching
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for about seven years in Santa Barbara.
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It is a very conscious decision to wanna move
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and be closer to my family who live here.
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This is where I grew up.
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(geese calling)
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it's a, kind of, a real comfort to come home
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and to work out of that place.
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And for a long time, my parents also really helped
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with a lot of my work.
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You know, my mother would sometimes fly out
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to work on a big project
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and my dad has helped on projects.
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And now increasingly they're...
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They provide me with that kind of backup
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that actually allows me
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to do the kind of traveling
that my work has needed.
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I think that would be much harder for me
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if I didn't have all that.
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Do you wanna help change the film?
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<v ->You can't be a mom and have
a child in kindergarten,
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and not have some other help.
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Hey Emmitt, do you wanna come see your picture?
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(mouse clicking)
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There's an aspect of my work,
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which is wanting to give voice,
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but my voice is not necessarily
the voice that's here.
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I feel like my voice is maybe here and here.
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And so, how do I literally
make the place where song also,
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as well as all other words, exits the body
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actually become my eye.
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I devised a way of making pinhole cameras.
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I put the camera in my mouth
and then I unblock the aperture
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so that when I reopen my lips,
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I'm actually exposing the film.
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(footsteps)
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You know,
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you're never supposed to have
your mouth open in public.
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This is like, you don't see
people standing, you know,
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(laughs)
It's a vulnerable position.
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It's a place where you've relaxed
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and you've let yourself be open and vulnerable.
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(laughs)
Sorry.
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You ready?
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<v ->Um-hm.</v>
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<v ->Um.</v>
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<v ->It became very interesting</v>
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to register this time of standing quite still,
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face to face with another person,
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like soul to soul,
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and revealing something that's not, you know,
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the surface stuff that we
usually allow out to the world.
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The shape of the mouth is very much
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the same shape as the eye.
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And the image becomes almost like the pupil.
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(bell ringing)
(dog barking)
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Good.
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So to...and sometimes invert the location
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of one sense to another part of the body.
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Those kind of dislocations or slippages is one way
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that we come to see something differently.
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(motor running)
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<v Female Voice>Looks like there's fire coming</v>
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off of your hand.
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<v Ann>Wow, look it.</v>
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Look, oh, totally magic.
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<v Maarten>It's a flat sheet of water</v>
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with soap on either side.
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And it's about a 50th of the
thickness of a human hair.
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And when things get that thin,
like oil slicks on water,
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they tend to reflect certain
colors of light depending on
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their thickness.
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I just thought it would be interesting
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to try to see if Ann would
be able to incorporate this
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in any of her work.
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...Which is part of the problem.
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<v ->You know, Martin sort of
said, "I'm doing this thing,"
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and I...and then he demonstrated it.
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It's like, I, I don't know
necessarily how or when,
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or what I would use this,
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but it's becoming increasingly clear to me
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that it's related to everything I've ever done.
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You know, it's the fluidity of the cloth.
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It's the way that you can take your hands
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and you can go through the membrane of it.
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Oh, I love this bubble coming out like this
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and the breath being made
palpably, visually present.
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It's beautiful. It's beautiful.
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<v ->And I know when I'm making
work that I have to...
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Like, there's a point where I can't see it.
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I can't see it in my head. And then, you know,
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there's that moment where you can see it
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and you think it might be beautiful.
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It's like it bites you, you know,
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and then you will go to all
ends sometimes to try to see it
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(laughs) in fact.
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And of course it's always
different or something else but...
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(ethereal music)