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Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.75,0:00:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->I've always felt that there's</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.80,0:00:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this very strong connection for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.96,0:00:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the thread of sewing \Nand the line of that thread
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.00,0:00:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the thread of writing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.46,0:00:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(charcoal scraping across canvas)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.68,0:00:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sewing machine)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.48,0:00:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I certainly grew up doing a \Nlot of hand work, needle work,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.48,0:00:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sewing, knitting, embroidery,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.28,0:00:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of those traditional textile arts.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.24,0:00:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the process is just really satisfying,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.16,0:00:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the metaphors that cloth offer up
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.24,0:00:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are really extraordinarily beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.68,0:00:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because every piece of cloth that we wear
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.68,0:01:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is made up of all these individual threads,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.44,0:01:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever their weave,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.00,0:01:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that each one of those is still something
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.60,0:01:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can see,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.20,0:01:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the whole cloth needs each one of those.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.88,0:01:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's a social metaphor to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.40,0:01:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's actually very beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.32,0:01:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The very first piece I did \Nwhen I was in graduate school,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.32,0:01:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had taken a, just kind of generic gray man suit,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.60,0:01:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and covered it in toothpicks \Nso that the whole skin of cloth
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.72,0:01:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became like a hide. It looked like a porcupine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.29,0:01:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ethereal music)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.11,0:01:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->(whispering) Find the \Nlinear broken below a human.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.32,0:01:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.20,0:02:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that relationship between the \Nthread and the written line
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.40,0:02:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the drawn line,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.88,0:02:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about a really very fundamental act of making
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.72,0:02:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(indistinct whispering)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.36,0:02:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the relationship of the \Nline that makes something
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.12,0:02:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is related to how we make things with language.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.18,0:02:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->(whispering) Certainty.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.42,0:02:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->I think that I'm always trying to work</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.96,0:02:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with words as materials,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.84,0:02:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same way I work with other kinds of materials.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.04,0:02:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The project "Lineament," which is a title
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.24,0:02:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that comes from a Wallace Stevens poem.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.24,0:02:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That flat two-dimensional plane of the page
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.40,0:02:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is made into a three-dimensional body
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.48,0:02:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because each line is lifted
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.36,0:02:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of the book as if it is a thread.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.88,0:02:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that thread of text is run through the hands,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.56,0:03:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's tactile, it's touched, \Nand then it creates a ball,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.48,0:03:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the body of the page.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.96,0:03:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So. there are all these places I see
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.32,0:03:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's this constant tie of thread as line
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.76,0:03:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and line as line of writing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.56,0:03:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. Now go down that way. Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.87,0:03:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(crinkling plastic)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.56,0:03:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just gonna set up the \Npipes and then we'll bring the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.80,0:03:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fabric over.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.63,0:03:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seven, eight, nine
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.36,0:03:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, working in installation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.20,0:03:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to work in relation to a particular place.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.23,0:03:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're coming in and you're, in some senses,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.72,0:03:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animating the space
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.52,0:03:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't know what that space or situation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.36,0:03:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will do to you and vice versa,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.48,0:03:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you will do to it. (laughs)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.04,0:04:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, you try to make yourself blank
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.80,0:04:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that you can just pay \Nattention to what comes up,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.24,0:04:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it makes you think of...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.28,0:04:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the things you feel?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.52,0:04:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of those ways that your skin is a organ
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.60,0:04:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is a membrane is incredibly smart,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.48,0:04:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and immediately you walk through any threshold
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.28,0:04:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, it's... you smell.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.72,0:04:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you feel the temperature and the light
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.96,0:04:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of those things that \Nhave an enormous influence.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.00,0:04:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(birds chirping)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.64,0:04:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->This particular building,</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.65,0:04:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's had 1200 people working here at one time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.52,0:04:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's in an area that was sort \Nof like a company town area,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.80,0:04:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's been forgotten.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.52,0:04:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it just went out of \Nbusiness about three months ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.73,0:04:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->(whispering) So, it's...</v>\NI didn't ever actually visit this building
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.76,0:04:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it was in operation,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.20,0:05:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as a textile factory and house of production,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.72,0:05:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was now silenced.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.56,0:05:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the hollowness of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.92,0:05:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the emptiness of that was very palpable.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.68,0:05:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm all thumbs today with these strings.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.02,0:05:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(indistinct)\NCan you grab this string?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.92,0:05:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->I wanted to have one room \Nbe the room of the writer
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.00,0:05:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one room be the room of the reader.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.24,0:05:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now they've become ghost-like suspensions
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.24,0:05:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of silk organza that sit side by side.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.68,0:05:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, they're identical in form.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.00,0:05:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're about 30 foot square rooms
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.56,0:05:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are just suspended within the architecture.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.00,0:05:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(metal clanging)\NYeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.98,0:05:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->Hey Emmitt, can you carry this over there</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.80,0:05:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the other pipes?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.25,0:05:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Offscreen Male>Honey, he can do it.</v>\NDon't, don't worry about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.06,0:05:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Emmitt>Yeah.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.68,0:05:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Ann>There you go. And then \Nwithin each of those rooms,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.44,0:06:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a long 10 foot wooden table,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.24,0:06:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and upon that will be a spinning projector.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.19,0:06:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(metal clanging)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.19,0:06:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->With what Anne's doing.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.32,0:06:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember, she's not a traditional artist
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.36,0:06:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the sense that it's a piece of painting
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.88,0:06:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's a piece of sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.48,0:06:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something that people \Nreally have to reach for
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.44,0:06:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and break out of what they expect to see.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.80,0:06:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's saying really to the people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.24,0:06:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's more here
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.36,0:06:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we even saw.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.76,0:06:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's someone else that's seeing that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.76,0:06:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here, Emmitt, you can help \Npull the projector. Okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.33,0:06:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->So right now, this is \Nactually the section
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.16,0:06:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going backwards in the video.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.44,0:06:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's the pencils, like, eating the line.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.31,0:06:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(whooshing)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.48,0:06:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of making work is to allow those things,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.64,0:07:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps that are always already there,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.44,0:07:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not visible to us
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.20,0:07:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to try to make them visible
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.12,0:07:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that they're experience-able.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.70,0:07:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(whooshing)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.01,0:07:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(crickets)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.52,0:07:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(bells clanging)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.18,0:07:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(indistinct whispering)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.01,0:07:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(birds chirping)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.12,0:07:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This Jeffersonian neoclassical building we inherit
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.80,0:07:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a real emblem of an American democratic ideal.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.33,0:07:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(women speaking in phonetic code)
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.37,0:07:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I wanted to engage that in the building.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.80,0:07:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we deal with the stains of our own history?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.80,0:08:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we take those aspects \Nof our social history,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.44,0:08:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,slavery being the largest one.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.28,0:08:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we have a democratic country that was founded
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.68,0:08:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and based in slavery, and \Nhow do you talk about that?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.04,0:08:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt like the only way to do it, perhaps,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.64,0:08:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was very abstractly.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.32,0:08:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This stream of intensely chromed fusca powder
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.80,0:08:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sifted down the walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.16,0:08:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it would catch on raise plaster dots
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.04,0:08:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were fixed to the wall, \Nspelling out a text in braille.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.44,0:08:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that text was edited from the poems
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.28,0:08:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Charles Resnikoff.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.68,0:08:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From the corner of each of the four rooms,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.16,0:08:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a soundtrack
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.00,0:08:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Lincoln's second inaugural address,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.40,0:08:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was really one of healing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.16,0:08:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was translated letter by letter
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.92,0:08:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the phonetic alphabet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.96,0:09:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Women whispering phonetic code)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.02,0:09:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(birds chirping)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.24,0:09:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(door opening)\N(door closing)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.43,0:09:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, Timmy. Let's go.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.77,0:09:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(dog leash clanking)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.74,0:09:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->I live in Ohio and I \Nmoved back after teaching
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.12,0:09:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for about seven years in Santa Barbara.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.44,0:09:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a very conscious decision to wanna move
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.40,0:09:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be closer to my family who live here.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.92,0:09:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where I grew up.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.10,0:09:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(geese calling)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.44,0:09:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a, kind of, a real comfort to come home
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.00,0:09:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to work out of that place.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.48,0:09:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for a long time, my parents also really helped
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.80,0:09:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a lot of my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.96,0:09:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, my mother would sometimes fly out
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.92,0:10:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to work on a big project
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.76,0:10:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my dad has helped on projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.60,0:10:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now increasingly they're...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.00,0:10:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They provide me with that kind of backup
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.52,0:10:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually allows me
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.20,0:10:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do the kind of traveling \Nthat my work has needed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.20,0:10:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that would be much harder for me
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.84,0:10:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I didn't have all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.89,0:10:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you wanna help change the film?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.87,0:10:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->You can't be a mom and have \Na child in kindergarten,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.72,0:10:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not have some other help.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.56,0:10:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey Emmitt, do you wanna come see your picture?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.00,0:10:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(mouse clicking)
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.58,0:10:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's an aspect of my work,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.52,0:10:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is wanting to give voice,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.40,0:10:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but my voice is not necessarily \Nthe voice that's here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.04,0:10:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like my voice is maybe here and here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.52,0:10:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, how do I literally \Nmake the place where song also,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.12,0:10:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as all other words, exits the body
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.68,0:10:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually become my eye.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.20,0:11:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I devised a way of making pinhole cameras.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.12,0:11:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I put the camera in my mouth \Nand then I unblock the aperture
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.68,0:11:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that when I reopen my lips,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.76,0:11:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm actually exposing the film.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.24,0:11:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(footsteps)
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.37,0:11:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.12,0:11:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're never supposed to have \Nyour mouth open in public.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.76,0:11:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is like, you don't see \Npeople standing, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.44,0:11:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs)\NIt's a vulnerable position.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.44,0:11:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a place where you've relaxed
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.00,0:11:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've let yourself be open and vulnerable.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.44,0:11:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs)\NSorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.00,0:11:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You ready?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.66,0:11:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->Um-hm.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.26,0:11:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->Um.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.32,0:12:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->It became very interesting</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.92,0:12:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to register this time of standing quite still,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.72,0:12:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face to face with another person,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.52,0:12:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like soul to soul,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.36,0:12:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and revealing something that's not, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.64,0:12:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the surface stuff that we \Nusually allow out to the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.36,0:12:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The shape of the mouth is very much
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.16,0:12:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same shape as the eye.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.48,0:12:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the image becomes almost like the pupil.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.73,0:12:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(bell ringing)\N(dog barking)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.05,0:12:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.23,0:12:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to...and sometimes invert the location
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.28,0:12:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of one sense to another part of the body.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.68,0:12:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those kind of dislocations or slippages is one way
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.68,0:12:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we come to see something differently.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.12,0:13:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(motor running)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.54,0:13:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Female Voice>Looks like there's fire coming</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.76,0:13:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off of your hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.42,0:13:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Ann>Wow, look it.</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.96,0:13:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, oh, totally magic.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.60,0:13:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v Maarten>It's a flat sheet of water</v>
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.60,0:13:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with soap on either side.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.04,0:13:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's about a 50th of the \Nthickness of a human hair.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.92,0:13:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when things get that thin, \Nlike oil slicks on water,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.76,0:13:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they tend to reflect certain \Ncolors of light depending on
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.92,0:13:22.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their thickness.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.74,0:13:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just thought it would be interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.72,0:13:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to see if Ann would \Nbe able to incorporate this
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.00,0:13:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in any of her work.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.64,0:13:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Which is part of the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.07,0:13:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->You know, Martin sort of \Nsaid, "I'm doing this thing,"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.12,0:13:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I...and then he demonstrated it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.16,0:13:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like, I, I don't know \Nnecessarily how or when,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.12,0:13:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what I would use this,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.56,0:13:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's becoming increasingly clear to me
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.52,0:13:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's related to everything I've ever done.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.64,0:13:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's the fluidity of the cloth.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.76,0:13:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the way that you can take your hands
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.36,0:13:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can go through the membrane of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.92,0:14:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I love this bubble coming out like this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.80,0:14:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the breath being made \Npalpably, visually present.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.04,0:14:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's beautiful. It's beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.36,0:14:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<v ->And I know when I'm making \Nwork that I have to...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.84,0:14:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, there's a point where I can't see it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.60,0:14:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't see it in my head. And then, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.64,0:14:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's that moment where you can see it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.72,0:14:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you think it might be beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.96,0:14:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like it bites you, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.76,0:14:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you will go to all \Nends sometimes to try to see it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.88,0:14:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs) in fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.12,0:14:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course it's always \Ndifferent or something else but...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.87,0:14:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ethereal music)