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    Herald: So the first speaker for this
    conference is lizvlx. And she runs
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    ubermorgen.com and she is really
    interested in software art, photography
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    and net art. And if you heard about Vote-
    Auction that was her. This talk will be
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    about anti terrorist laws implications on
    free thinking and art. Thank you very much
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    liz.
    applause
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    lizvlx: Well hello, sorry that took a
    little bit. I'm using the wrong software
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    apparently, its not Microsoft so I'm
    really sorry. "Do you think that's funny"
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    that's the title of this talk because this
    was a question we got asked quite a few
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    years ago by a reporter wanting to discuss
    a project that we did and I thought it was
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    the stupidest question I have ever been
    asked and I have loved it ever since
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    because obviously this shit is not funny
    at all. So, yeah. Because it's about art-
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    practice under anti-terror laws. I'm not
    going to give this theoretical talk now,
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    so you're fine it's about practice. I'm
    gonna show you a set of projects and focus on
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    kind of the implications of anti-terror
    laws on the project, on the production of
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    the project most and foremost and also
    some of the projects obviously have been
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    produced before all these crazy ass laws
    have come into effect. So let's just get
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    started. And of course in the end I'll be
    doing a Q&A. So a short introduction. So
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    for us, I mean when I'm talking us means
    ubermorgen.com so that's me and my partner
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    Hans. So we started in the 90s and in the
    90s it was really great, I really loved it
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    because there was nothing happening on the
    net really except for the crazy boring
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    shit and we all thought it was so cool. It
    was just really nerdy but nothing else.
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    Obviously I started working in net-art, in
    1995 about. And that was a really great
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    time because nobody cared what you did on
    the net, not because there was no audience
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    there was a huge audience. But there was
    no question about, because you know the
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    net was still not a dot com rearm so it
    was fine, you could just do whatever you
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    wanted to... There's a little footnote
    there because we did get, you know, a few
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    problems but it was nothing major. Also
    because there was no laws in place it
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    really had an effect onto like European
    citizen being kinda hassled by the CIA,
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    basically local police didn't really want
    to help out the CIA at the time, so we
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    were fine at the time. So in the early
    2000s dot com had totally run over the net
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    which is fine obviously but not only and
    we had to really get used to lots of
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    people bugging us for doing what we did.
    But it was just small stuff as you can
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    see, and especially the lawyers letters.
    These were always very creative and always
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    a good basis for a new project I think.
    But also at the time there were all these
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    people coming at you for doing projects
    and its not necessary that you call them
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    art projects it could be anything really,
    that is not commercial. Were you just go
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    like why shouldn't I do it. But all these
    things that got thrown at you, were always
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    really valuable pieces of information on
    how the system works. And you could work
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    with that. And you could work your way
    around it, you sometimes may pay a small
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    legal fine or whatever, but you would be
    fine. Obviously that was not true for our
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    Vote-Auction project which cost us
    enormous amounts of money, but it was
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    worth it. So in about 2006 to 2008 I kind
    of noticed, I started doing a project back
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    then which was called super-enhanced and I
    very much noticed that I was paying more
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    and more attention to laws that were in
    place, not that I was thinking that if I
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    do this project now I would get into
    trouble a, b, c and d but it was in the
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    back of my head. Which is not really
    helping when you're trying to freely
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    create a new project or a thinking space,
    you know? As it is now I feel that all
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    these anti-terror-laws totally make us
    come into this kind of cluster where we
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    start self-censoring ourselves. Most of
    all, you see that when you're on Facebook.
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    And don't tell me you're not on Facebook,
    obviously it's a bullshit platform but
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    still its really interesting. The same is
    true for twitter. I mean how many times
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    will you say fuck on either of them.
    You're not going to post that one picture
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    of that naked butt or the bare-breasted
    lady or whatever, because you're like "ok
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    I have been using this account for a
    really long time, I don't want to get
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    turned off now, because I'm using imagery
    now that might be not legal in the
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    Facebook kind of sense". But this self
    censorship is going on in your head. And
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    it happens online. But as long as it
    happens online it would be kind of fine,
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    you know it's just Facebook. But this
    creeps into offline life as well. I'm very
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    sure and I have noticed that with lots of
    people that the conversations you will
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    have in real life will mirror the ones you
    have online. Because you're getting used
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    to this kind of speak, this Facebook speak
    or twitter speak. And it just censors out
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    lots of stuff. Our strategies in working
    are mostly like affirmative. We're not the
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    ones that use critical approaches, because
    most of the time that's very boring. But
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    we rather use affirmative techniques and
    the other one, but then we figured we need
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    to come up with a new strategy. And that's
    when we started to do secret projects,
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    because I was just getting really sick of
    having this thought in my head all the
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    time of self-censorship and whatever. So
    we just started developing projects
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    anonymously. But we can't publish them
    under our own name which is kind of a bug
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    but that's the way it is. That's enough
    for a little theory in the beginning and I
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    want to show you a little video of a
    project that we did a few years ago and we
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    did this project because this is like one
    more thing i think it is really important.
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    This is new speak, we all hear it all the
    time. Like yesterday I read something on
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    the news, it talked about a dark figure of
    badgers in the forest. I figured, how can
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    there be a dark figure of badgers in the
    forest? Are these illegal badgers? Are
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    these criminal badgers now? And what I
    heard also a few years ago, it was
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    Russian... deep sea... spider crabs that
    were moving into Finnish you know sea
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    space? And I figured you know, what they
    don't have any identity on them or what...
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    what's the problem? you know this, but
    this new speak i mean obviously that's a
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    lot true for you know all the enemy
    combatant bullshit and so on. But this
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    newspeak, it's really interesting if you
    listen to it and it's a real problem if
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    you just go along with it because it
    alters your speech it alters your mind. So
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    we did this project on oil and it's all
    about this. I hope this is not too loud.
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    music starts: Seven Nation Army by The
    White Stripes
    applause Where's my
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    presentation? This video was based on a
    marketing campaign by Diesel, it was
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    called "Be Stupid". laughs I don't want
    to add to that, but I'm sure some of you
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    people in here have bought a Diesel
    product. So be proud of yourself you are
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    officially stupid. I was asked to also
    present you know some projects that some
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    of you might like really know but some of
    them might not to give you more of a
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    context of our work. So I'm going to
    present Vote Auction. Vote Auction was a
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    project we did in 2000 and we usually
    produce seals for our projects, not logos
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    because we're surely not dot com. If we're
    anything we're an authority, so we need a
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    seal, right? That gives you authority.
    And, wait I need that. So it was in 2000,
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    it was a platform for buying and selling
    you know votes for the presidential
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    election in 2000. Gore, yeah Gore against
    Bush. You know the one that Bush didn't
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    win but took home anyways. You're laughing
    it's sad isn't it, but then maybe I mean
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    so much good came out of it, so we should
    be happy. It'd be a lot colder probably if
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    Gore had one, right? He's all into the
    climate shit and so on. So that was the
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    website, we originally got it from this
    American called James Baumgartner who was
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    an art student in the states, and he
    started doing this as a thesis project.
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    But he got you know contacted by the FBI
    and such pretty early on and he didn't
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    want to pursue the idea any more. And Art
    Mark who is now Yesman by now and sucks
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    real bad now but was really good then um
    brought him over to us and we took over
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    and made it a bit bigger I guess. And yeah
    well basically you could just you know
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    sign up as a voter and just put your vote
    on sale and as one would be interested in
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    buying a vote you'd only be able to buy
    the votes from a you know from a whole
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    state to make it more easy. And the prices
    of votes in different states varied a lot
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    obviously, we had enormous amounts of
    subscribers. I don't know precisely
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    because we had a randomizing engine in the
    back obviously. And um we got into serious
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    trouble obviously with this project with
    any kind of governmental agency. Any OGA
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    in the states. And always made special
    little websites for them with, you know
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    just IP filtering and they get their own
    websites and laughter I remember also
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    the Germans were in there as well, I
    remember Karlsruhe always contacted us on
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    I mean the server on a Wednesday at about
    11. And always searched through the same
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    pages and it was really easy then I just,
    you could just give them something they
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    really liked as a website and that's just
    some DOS software that would download in
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    the background. And you know stuff like
    that that really worked fine. I'm gonna
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    show you a little video again, because we
    got like this feature on CNN for the
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    project, this is really bad quality
    because it's from TV. I'm so sorry.
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    TV intro music
    TV presenter: In just two weeks the
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    citizens of the United States will elect
    their next commander-in-chief. But could
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    that decision be rerouted over the
    internet? A website engineered halfway
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    around the world is offering to literally
    buy your vote! Today on Burden of Proof:
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    Bidding for ballots. Democracy on the
    block.
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    announcer: This is Burden of Proof.
    lizvlx: Just need to interrupt here a few
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    times. So this was on prime time US CNN.
    This was right in the midst of the
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    elections and we were really lucky that we
    got so much news coverage. This was not
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    because we are so awesome and doing
    projects, this was because we just touched
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    a topic that lots of journalists really
    wanted to talk about, but they didn't have
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    a specific issue. But if you present them
    with a specific issue they have something
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    to talk about. So they did. We got about
    like I don't know how many people we
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    reached about like 200 to 400 million
    people. This was like really all over the
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    place from, I don't know, you know, they
    even discussed it in Russia in their
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    parliament and so on. And we got our you
    know service hacked, and yeah Chan and
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    Reno who was then you know somebody was on
    our... And we got sued by so many people
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    for either, you know, false promise,
    consumerism laws, or you know election
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    fraud. I need to point out that obviously
    it's perfectly legal to sell American
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    votes in Europe.
    laughter and applause
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    But this is also why vote auction is a big
    case in the - for lawyers all over the
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    place. This was one of the first cases
    where people really noticed: Oh internet
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    and national law is just really bad
    together, just don't mix, you know. And
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    you know, they served us court papers onto
    our Nokia communicators. Like faxes, like
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    30 pages, which obviously doesn't fit on a
    communicator. Or on the phone, you know. I
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    need to serve this to you which is an- it
    was ridiculous. But still, I mean they
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    couldn't shut us down because we just had,
    we obviously we were aware that if we kept
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    on doing this project we would get you
    know, people and authority would be
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    getting more and more interested in us. So
    we had just this you know- we bought new
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    domains because it turned up the one
    domain, so we put in the new domain which
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    gives you a new news story. So that was
    fine, in the end we were running on an IP
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    address but it was all out there so it was
    fine because we had the CNN coverage so
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    there was no problem. So we had no terror
    laws at the time so we were no terrorists,
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    we're just doing voter fraud, right? So
    this is, I mean we're obviously not doing
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    it because we're just providing a
    platform, I'm not responsible for any
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    user. That's what dot coms is. You know
    and you got to bring democracy and
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    capitalism closer together, that's what we
    were saying. Yeah wait, there I just see
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    where is, where's where is he... he yeah
    that's him. That was one of our first
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    providers. TV presenter: Which along with
    voteauction.com was named as a defendant
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    in a lawsuit in Chicago. In Los Angeles
    we're joined by internet law professor
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    Stuart Beagle TV presenter 2: And in
    Sacramento, California we're joined by...
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    lizvlx: He is an asshole.
    TV presenter 2: William Woods, chief
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    counsel to the California secretary of
    state, where I'm from. And here in
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    Washington, Melissa Stratton,
    constitutional law expert.
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    lizvlx: That's my favorite picture. I mean
    look at that, I mean for me that project
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    is also a very complicated way to produce
    like a video art. You do this whole
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    project and then it gets filmed by CNN,
    right? laughter and applause If you want
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    to see more of the video, pretty much all
    the videos are available on vimeo. If you
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    go, you know look for the ubermorgen
    channel. So because they'll go on for way
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    too long because it's 45 minutes and we
    don't have that much time. Do dee do de
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    doo, more screenshots of the guys. Yeah
    that's the lawsuits. laughter It's a
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    paper- I started doing paper sculptures
    then at the time because what are you
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    supposed to do with it, right? And um,
    it's very expensive you know. This is from
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    a show we just did at carol fletcher
    gallery in you know London. You know,
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    Oxford Circus, high scale, good shit. But
    obviously it's not so much fun at the time
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    sometimes. But because I come from a
    lawyer's family I cannot be bothered
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    really. laughter
    Now on to something completely different.
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    This is EKMRZ trilogy, it obviously means
    e-commerce. I don't like vowels
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    apparently. And these are three projects.
    It's called Google Will Eat Itself, Amazon
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    Noir, and The Sound of Ebay. Google Will
    Eat Itself, maybe some of you know. That's
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    the seal again. Google release itself is
    just a very easy scheme for, I don't know
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    a problematic network maybe. It's just,
    it's all about, we just bought into we
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    just participated in the google ads
    program and made money with that, and with
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    the money we made we bought Google shares.
    Hence Google Will Eat Itself, right? And
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    we didn't do it on a huge big scale,
    because we were not so interested in that
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    any more after doing stuff like vote
    auction. So we just did this more as a
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    conceptual piece. I think at the scale
    that we did it in uh it would have taken
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    us like something like 300 million years
    to buy the whole of Google. But then it
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    gets, maybe it'll get like real cheap in
    the meantime. So who knows, yeah? For this
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    project also still no terror laws, then
    that it wouldn't really be covered by that
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    anyways. But of course nasty letters from
    Google, and we got you know blocked on
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    Google which is great, you know? I once
    got disqualified from a conference, that
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    was awesome. And then you know that one I
    really like. But if you get a lawyer from
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    Google, a lawyer's letter from Google
    that's fine because we all know you can't
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    talk to google, right? There's no phone
    number, you know? You can have, you can
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    know someone who works at google. But
    officially you can't talk to them. So
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    there's nothing they can do to you really
    because they can only send letters, but
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    not react again because they don't want to
    be bothered. So that's fine, so you can
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    just make a new story out of it. But we
    closed the project. We made about I think
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    like 400˙000€ and it's still sitting
    there. It's in a kind of a fund thing and
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    it's Google to the people. But it's not
    doing anything, because money shouldn't be
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    doing anything. The next one was Amazon
    Noir which was basically just using the
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    look inside the book function of Amazon to
    download the whole books. Just search for
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    lots of terms and then recombine the book.
    They look quite measly afterwards but it's
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    all about the content, who cares? And that
    project got kind of interpreted as if we
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    were focusing on free books and all that
    and information for all and we're not
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    interested in, we're not activists. I'm
    maybe an actionist but I'm not an
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    activist. So I don't have a political
    agenda. I don't say that this is good or
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    this is bad. I just might find some things
    interesting. And so we sold the software
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    to Amazon because they didn't like it
    obviously. So we sold this software to
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    Amazon in the end and made some money with
    that. laughter and applause
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    And last one of that trilogy is called The
    Sound of Ebay, and I just really wanted to
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    do a project with teletext imagery because
    teletext is just so great. And my mom
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    still uses it and. But then my mom used to
    be a programmer so that's, I guess that
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    explains it. So basically it just, this is
    a lyrical project. It makes the music with
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    your user data. And I'm not gonna play the
    music, but I'm gonna show the images
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    because i love them so much. I mean it's
    just the best parts of teletext obviously,
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    I got there's like this, there's one
    person who won't talk to me anymore after
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    I've done that because she thinks it's
    porn. laughter
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    It's really pixels I mean come on. If you
    see porn in this shit you're sick. I mean
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    seriously.
    laughter and applause
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    I'm gonna jump through that because
    there's not enough time I think. Oh maybe,
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    no we got... There's another set of
    projects I... we did. This is actually the
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    ones I like doing most because this is
    where I get to do some coding. I love
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    doing coding in Perl and I will never code
    in anything else I think. And we don't
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    need that ruby shit. And basically this is
    also yeah this is the... from IP-NIC. We
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    learned, with vote auction we learned how
    important the seal is, right? Because we
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    got all these legal letters with lots of
    seals right? Texas, Internet Attorney, and
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    shit like that. And so we got our own seal
    with the Internet Partnership for No
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    Internet Content. Also sometimes we will
    get asked by you know, different...
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    entities, companies and whatever like you
    know you do fake banners and shit like
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    that and then wanna. They want you to take it
    offline and usually when you talk to big
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    companies and you want them to do
    something they tell you: Um I'm not sure,
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    I'm not the right person to talk to. They
    just send you to someone else and never
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    get solved. So we just mirrored that. And
    so whenever someone asks us to take some
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    information off our servers, I say you
    know, you need to speak to a different
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    department. And because that's real
    complicated I made this form. And it's the
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    universal content and/or domain removal
    form. It's very complicated, this was not
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    what it was in the beginning. And it was
    you know it's like when you transfer a
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    domain. It's hard, right? You need to sign
    all that and fax it and not with all of
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    them, but some of them. And you just need
    to put lots of bureaucratic barriers in
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    there, right? You still got to think you
    really want to get the shit solved, right?
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    You do. But there's just so much paperwork
    that you got to fill out. Not you but the
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    other people who want to get the stuff
    offline. And all the departments... The
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    shit never gets solved. And then I coded
    it and basically it just works like that
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    you can just put in any domain and it just
    creates a legal document and that you it's
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    fine you know we have so many the wording
    is just fine. And like a preliminary, you
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    know injunction or whatever and then you
    just send it out. We didn't automize it,
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    because we didn't want to be the ones to
    blame in the end again. We figured the
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    user can send it out by themselves, you
    know? We're not going to be the clowns,
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    yeah? And take on your own responsibility,
    right? And you just send it out, and if
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    you have a legal document where it says
    you know this domain I don't know i'm so
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    cool dot com is supposed to be taken
    offline, because they're engaging in child
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    pornography. I guess lots of providers
    will take it offline, in the beginning not
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    to do anything wrong. So this worked
    really well and it's... again I think it's
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    important to use stuff that comes back to
    you. In form of legal papers in this
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    context, to make something else out of it.
    And also it just cuts out the middleman
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    again. You don't need a lawyer, you don't
    need a court, you just need your own court
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    papers and that's fine. The next one I did
    was the Bank Statement Generator. It's a
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    weird account statement, and it's a
    generator that works like that, you just
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    enter a starting figure and you pretty
    much and you enter some other shit and
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    your name and blah and so on. And then you
    enter how you want to feel when you get
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    the statement. You know, pretty much
    everyone has the same deductions right?
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    You go to H&M and you do some Amazon and
    so on. And yeah I don't think you can ever
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    really get high numbers but you know you
    just from suicidal to total mania that's
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    what you can kind of decide for yourself,
    how you want to feel. I got that because
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    we were really broke at the time and I
    remember I was sitting at home I got open
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    letters and one letter from the bank and
    it said like oh you're in debt. And I felt
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    really bad. And then I figured why am I
    feeling bad because of ink on paper? This
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    is really crazy, and it's um it's so this
    is always what I say: This is just pixels
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    on screen and the other one's just ink on
    paper. Especially because we're not
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    talking about personal letters, we're
    talking about letters, they get sent out
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    by servers that are signed by people. You
    can't talk to a person about them. So
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    they're not a letter, that's not what
    constitutes a letter. This is fucking
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    newspeak. So if you react to anything that
    gets sent to you by a server with an
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    emotional reaction, something's wrong with
    you, you know?
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    applause
    So this is, I put this in here because my
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    daughter really really loves it. It's
    Clickistan. Clickistan, I put it also, put
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    it in there because we developed this
    project for the Whitney Museum of American
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    Art. And it was a bit of a hassle, it's
    Clickistan so it's like a Javascript click
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    game. And I just used lots of stuff that I
    already had and you know Javascripted it
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    around, it's all weird and stuff. But we
    couldn't release it right away because
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    they were concerned about the wording. And
    they were concerned about the words. I
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    couldn't use the words muslim,
    fundamentalist, and terror. And I had not,
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    I had not put them in any special you know
    context, these words. Like, there was this
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    one screen where it said are you allergic
    vegan muslim or i don't know whatever. And
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    you just, and it's clearly not a political
    project but there was no way they would
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    release the project with these words in
    it. So I figured okay I don't... I'm
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    really bad with getting censored, so
    that's not cool. So I proposed to them, if
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    it were okay with them if we just took
    these words out and instead put in the
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    word you know variations of the word
    censor. And they were like oh that's fine.
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    laughter
    I thought "no not really, but I'll go
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    ahead." So that's yeah it was fucking
    crazy. I'll show you the video, it's an
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    online game but you're not gonna play it
    now. But you can watch the video.
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    repeated mouse clicks
    chiptune music
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    applause
    Okay. Well this is like a small project we
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    did, I don't know it feels like at least
    10 years ago. And this is what we call a
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    web painting. Basically, I mean you can
    read a bit for yourself.
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    laughter and applause
    We just took the text and pretty much
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    everything else from a website called Iris
    scan obviously. And just, just exchanged
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    the words, to make the content and the
    message a bit more clear I guess. We have
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    not used this in a performative way yet,
    but if we could ever find a pardon to do
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    that I would gladly set it up on, you know
    I don't know, a conference you know? An
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    airport? And just see you know if people
    are gonna participate. You know it's just
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    a small moment. You can go to your own
    private room if you want to. By the way
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    that's what you call uh affirmative
    approach, right? Versus critical... And
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    Alanohof, the alano ranch. That's... this
    is this really small project we did a few
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    years ago. It's just a regular fake site,
    right? And it's about this fake farm into
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    role that produces organic meat from these
    hounds. It's all very well and we just
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    produced it for this small you know
    cultural association, a club in Tirol. And
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    she said can you do something that will
    you know give us our you know a title page
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    on our you know tyrolean newspaper? And I
    mean that's, it's easy it's fun. But it's
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    really just a fun project, right? We got
    into so much trouble because of this
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    project.
    applause
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    We have you know like we had five
    different times and you were there right
  • 35:58 - 36:02
    we had police standing in front of our
    doors at home right? It's like Sunday
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    evening, it's Sunday evening I'm by myself
    because my partner just went to Sofia for
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    whatever he always does there. And you
    know, knock on the door and it's these two
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    police guys they're like oh mumbles I
    like look at them, go like you're not here
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    for Alano, are you? And they're like:
    yeah. And I'm like, what the hell? You
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    know it's been like, four years since we
    did the project and they're still coming.
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    I don't know it's because of the dogs you
    know don't do anything. It's not a cat,
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    you know? We know don't... laughter and
    applause
    I don't understand that, don't
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    say anything mean about cats on the
    internet, yeah. laughter We all bow our
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    heads to the gods, right? But now
    basically it was also a newspaper that got
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    behind it and there was some you know dog
    hating forum that totally loved the site.
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    But I mean seriously, I mean they made
    police people drive to the About address
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    we put on the on the website. And drive
    there and there was like this local police
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    guy who knew up front that there was no
    farm there. And we read all the card
  • 37:16 - 37:19
    papers and so on it says like oh i went
    there and there's no farm and no one
  • 37:19 - 37:28
    around knows it. We had... but the thing
    was we had to pay money for that because
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    there was no imprint on the website in the
    beginning. And this is actually you
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    know... this was not a problem early on
    because basically this means I mean this
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    is a, it's a fake site, you know? If
    police contact you and you're like no
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    we're artists, this is a fake side they're
    like fine. And the first two police people
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    that contacted us, they were also okay
    that's fine yeah. Actually it's
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    interesting kind of a book and so on. But
    you know laws change over time. And now,
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    you know they really made us put an
    imprint in there, otherwise you know we
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    could have you know paid as much as
    20˙000€. And they were like if you put the
  • 38:06 - 38:10
    imprint in now, you only pay like 200. And
    we're like we're not paying 20˙000€ for a
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    freaking dog, obviously not. For you know
    we paid more than 20˙000€ for you know
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    doing the whole vote auction bullshit, but
    not for a dog, you know? So that's all you
  • 38:21 - 38:28
    know, judicial stuff you know? See? It's a
    yeah "Tötung von gesunden Hunden", killing
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    you know healthy dogs. We should have put
    up that we're only killing sick dogs.
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    laughter Mea culpa, yeah. So now on to
    something a lot more serious. This is a
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    project that's very close to my heart.
    It's called Superenhanced. And started
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    doing this in about 2006 to 2008. And
    actually I want to, this is important for
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    me for various reasons. Also because of
    the talk that's going on right now
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    obviously all the time. We're all being
    listened to and so on and I don't
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    understand how anyone could not have known
    that. I seriously don't. Because we all
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    know that anything that's technically
    possible will be done. We know that from
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    ourselves, even if it's only very often
    only very little because we're technical
  • 39:19 - 39:28
    incapable, yeah? But there was something
    else on the agenda and that was you know
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    the issues of enhanced interrogation,
    Torture Taxis, super max prisons in the
  • 39:35 - 39:42
    states. And I personally don't really
    understand, I mean I do understand, but I
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    still don't understand why there's this
    huge uproar now about you know the NSA
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    bullshit, but there was never any of that
    big upper already really got to people
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    being imprisoned. And this is also you
    know, this is where real terror laws
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    started happening, right? And this is and,
    no nothing. I didn't hear anything and we
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    did this project. And one part of the
    project is a this is just image material
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    from our research. I did like half a year
    of research on this project. And then I
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    programmed the Superenhanced generator
    together with a friend of mine. And it's
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    basically an interrogation software.
    Because it's always the problem in
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    interrogations who's to fucking blame if
    anything goes wrong? So we did a software,
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    so the software is to blame, right? So you
    can only follow your orders, and
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    everything it's fine. So basically it just
    runs you through and if you don't answer
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    properly you get into trouble. So that's
    not fun, I know, I'm so sorry. We used
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    this in a few performances, in Palestine I
    think. Yeah that's right we went to Israel
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    and went to Palestine and I really gotta
    say the one, the performance in Israel
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    didn't work out. Because the people we got
    as volunteers, they just totally fucking
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    chickened out. I mean it was really just
    like you know, what do you do in the
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    beginning? Like you throw a bit of water
    into people's faces or whatever? As an
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    enhancement rate and they're just
    chickened out. Versus the people in
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    Ramallah they were fine because they were
    all really experienced. laughter No
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    seriously there was a hundred percent of
    all the people that were you know there
  • 41:39 - 41:44
    for our talk had experience in being
    detained. I mean really detained, not
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    just, you know? And about 50% had been
    more than once. So this is the system
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    graph of the generator. And more images,
    sorry to spoil your party. And, wait...
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    We're looking for a specific image. Oh
    that's, if you want to read a good book
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    this is really close to my heart now. Read
    this book by Murad Kurnaz. Just read it.
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    It might not be a nice christmas present
    but use it for easter time somebody got
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    nailed on a cross there. so that's fine
    applause We worked together with this
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    guy, Chris Arendt who was a guard in
    Guantanamo. And he lived with us for two
  • 42:39 - 42:43
    months. You know, so we could do more
    research and talk and block. Get the
  • 42:43 - 42:50
    hands-on approach, that's what we like.
    And he's kind of okay now. He was in a
  • 42:50 - 42:55
    really bad state then. But I don't feel
    bad for him because I feel bad for the
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    victim not for the perpetrator. I'm sorry
    Chris, he knows that. That's a set of
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    photographs we did with our kids. People
    find it offensive. Billy always laughs
  • 43:11 - 43:20
    about it, right? Stop laughing Billy.
    That's her little sister Lola. That's, we
  • 43:20 - 43:28
    don't need that. That's a grown-up person.
    And that's a funny thing too. I mean,
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    these pictures I found on the back up of
    my iPhone and I had never seen those
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    pictures before. I had not, I mean I know
    my research, I had not seen those pictures
  • 43:39 - 43:44
    before. And when I had to you know sift
    through my backup I found all these
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    pictures of Guantanamo courtrooms. I found
    that really strange, but it was very you
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    know helpful. So this is, there's more to
    show obviously, but there's not so much
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    time. There's just like one thing I want
    to say before we kind of end this and
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    it's: If we always talk about these issues
    now of privacy and so on, please bear in
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    mind that this is a first world problem.
    The southern hemisphere does not suffer
  • 44:16 - 44:21
    from you know being spied on all the time.
    They suffer from not getting any fucking
  • 44:21 - 44:29
    attention. So just bear that in mind, that
    it's kind of a luxury problem that needs
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    to be discussed obviously. Second forget
    crypto because crypto is elitist. I'm not
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    saying don't do it at all obviously, it's
    something that we all want us to pursue.
  • 44:42 - 44:46
    But if you try to find a solution for the
    situation now it's not going to be crypto
  • 44:46 - 44:56
    because nobody can fucking use it.
    inaudible interjection Okay? And then,
  • 44:56 - 45:01
    to all these engineers of the internet,
    all the sysadmins with so much power and
  • 45:01 - 45:05
    lots of, you know, intelligence very
    often, lots of brain, but so little
  • 45:05 - 45:13
    education. So you know, so little amount
    of books have you ever read. So little
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    knowledge and so much responsibility.
    Please, read a book. Read a motherfucking
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    book. I just applause Maybe not the
    "Allgemeinbildung for dummies" that I just
  • 45:30 - 45:38
    saw on the train last week, but something
    like that, okay? We need to close now, I
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    mean we were running a bit late with
    starting it, but how much more time do we
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    have? Yeah so um I'd rather stop now and
    we have time for some Q&A, what do you
  • 45:49 - 45:55
    think about that? I'm not going to run a
    vote on it.
  • 45:55 - 46:05
    Herald: Okay for any question there is...
    just cue on the microphones in the room.
  • 46:05 - 46:14
    Question: Hi...?
    lizvlx: Hi!
  • 46:14 - 46:22
    Q: Okay hi, you seem to like confrontation
    so mine is what's your point?
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    applause
    lizvlx: You just asked me again, do you
  • 46:28 - 46:34
    think that's funny? That's the same
    question again. There's no point in a
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    confrontation. I'm not the confrontation
    the fucking terror law is the
  • 46:38 - 46:43
    confrontation. I'm just mirroring that
    shit. If you got a problem with that, then
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    you're not doing anything. And you don't
    need to do anything i'm not telling you
  • 46:47 - 46:52
    what to do what, not at all you know. I'm
    just doing the stuff that I think makes my
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    life more enjoyable.
    Herald: Number two.
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    Q: Hi, I wasn't going to say anything but
    the last few words provoked me. On behalf
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    of people that I know who don't live in
    the first world, surveillance is a
  • 47:11 - 47:15
    problem. And if you think that it isn't,
    you're wrong. sporadic clapping
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    lizvlx: Well I spend lots of time in
    Africa and Near East. Most of all in
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    Africa. And I know surveillance is not an
    issue in a slum. It's just not, because
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    nobody even knows that you're alive. So
    you cannot be surveilled. No, they really
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    have issues of visibility. And I know
    intellectually, of course. And so on, yes
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    I know where you're coming from. But
    still, I mean. I don't know how many times
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    you're in Africa, but last time I checked,
    not really, no I.
  • 47:49 - 47:54
    Q: I don't work in Africa, I work in the
    Americas, but um I think it's a good point
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    for a discussion but i don't think that
    it's helpful to state to make a broad
  • 48:00 - 48:07
    statement like that in this kind of
    environment where you have this stage. And
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    we certainly would really like to talk to
    you more about that. Because it's not good
  • 48:13 - 48:19
    to say that. It's not like internet
    surveillance is not necessarily a problem.
  • 48:19 - 48:22
    But surveillance is a problem. On the
    street, surveillance is a problem, having
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    people outside of your house watching you
    24 hours a day is a problem.
  • 48:26 - 48:30
    lizvlx: No we don't want to, that's not
    what I mean, obviously. Surveillance it's
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    not a problem it's just ugly bullshit that
    no one needs. It's just idiotic, you know?
  • 48:35 - 48:40
    It just makes sense and it no obviously.
    But there is no street surveillance in
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    most of Africa, you know? So it's not it's
    a different world there and I just want
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    you...
    Q: Well not the first world is bigger than
  • 48:48 - 48:49
    Africa as well, you said the southern
    hemisphere...
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    lizvlx: Well we yeah we I get to a point,
    but I was making a different point.
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    Q: Okay.
    Herald: Back to one.
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    Q: Hello? You talked about uh self-
    censorship.
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    lizvlx: Yeah.
    Q: Is there a connection to pure
  • 49:03 - 49:09
    reflection, and... between self-censorship
    and reflection so what is reflection to
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    you, and what is self-censorship?
    lizvlx: Well, especially when it comes to
  • 49:14 - 49:18
    Facebook you know, right when you type in
    your message it already gets recorded.
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    Even if you delete it, right? So that's
    right the case of you're just self-
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    reflecting. But they get it then you self-
    censor yourself and then still... So it's
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    because it gets all very fuzzy I think.
    And I think the fuzziness is kind of an
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    issue right there. Because if you just
    censor yourself because you don't want to
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    say that that's fine. But if you don't
    want to say it because of some other
  • 49:42 - 49:49
    implications that will happen that are
    fucking crazy, then you have a real issue,
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    I think.
    Q: Thank you.
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    lizvlx: welcome
    Herald: Three now.
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    Q: Yeah um
    lizvlx: hi:
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    Q: I see art as being something on the
    fringe and I think that's what you're
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    doing. But I'm interested in what you,
    what you think will happen when this will
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    get internalized. I think you see my
    point. So you know, art is always
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    something like exploratory, something kind
    of out there. And eventually it becomes
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    mainstream. I mean it takes time, but it
    will become mainstream. So what do you
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    think will happen when this becomes
    mainstream?
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    lizvlx: Well I only know, I mean, I see
    lots of our work in the context of
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    Viennese Actionism and you know that was
    in the 60s when it just smeared each other
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    up with you know any kind of body fluids
    and so on. And that's still not really
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    mainstream in a way. So I can't go back to
    any historical parallel really.
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    Q: I don't think there's any historical
    parallel. I think this is always new.
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    lizvlx: But I guess it just in a way it
    becomes more mainstream because it gets
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    old, you know? It's like an old computer
    with the old website, for example.
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    Q: So it never really gets internalized in
    a certain sense?
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    lizvlx: It might not, which I really like,
    yeah.
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    Q: Weird stuff, thanks.
    lizvlx: Yeah, you're welcome. good
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    question!
    Herald: There is time for one last
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    question, which is to the guy in the
    microphone one.
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    Q: Hi I have a follow-up.
    lizvlx: hey
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    Q: The first thing is concerning the
    surveillance in the first world. I mean if
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    you're in Africa often too, or often. I
    mean how many people there have mobile
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    phones and will have in the next years and
    what will they do with it. That's actually
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    my question and i think that's why i don't
    think this first world third world thing i
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    don't think that works at all. Because our
    aim is to make one world, and in this one
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    world we all will have this problem. And
    the second question is how does like
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    animal rights law abuse how does that
    somehow refer to anti-terrorist laws.
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    lizvlx: Well okay first question. Lots of
    people have phones in Africa. Extremely,
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    an enormous amount. Because they use it
    for payment. They don't use it for
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    internet surfing. Because that's not
    possible. So it's a totally different
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    usage. So surveillance comes in from a
    totally different aspect. So you can't
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    make these people profiles out of their
    behavior. It's just a really different
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    world. If you want to make it one world
    that's great, but it's not there yet. So
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    it doesn't make sense I think to impose
    our first world scenarios onto theirs.
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    Because it's not the situation yet, you
    know? But at least that's also what i get
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    from you know talking to people from
    Africa. That's one thing and the second
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    one, how does that correlate with
    antiterrorist? Because it doesn't matter
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    to them any more. Because if they want to
    take your website offline or whatever
  • 52:44 - 52:49
    you're doing they want to stop it, they
    will find some kind of aspect in any kind
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    of law business, they'll find and then
    they'll get at you. And also I mean
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    obviously when it comes to animal rights,
    you're quite quickly in a terrorist scheme
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    because it's like the anti-organized
    crime. There was quite a bunch of
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    activists incarcerated in Austria because
    of animal rights activism. So actually
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    that's really close together. What you
    wouldn't think but it actually is by now.
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    Um we have yeah if you can we have a 30
    seconds question from the Signal guy up
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    there.
    Signal Angel: That's fine so we had a lot
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    of questions on IRC on why did you put
    your daughter on stage? laughter
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    lizvlx: Why is my daughter on stage?
    Because she likes being with me. Yeah it's
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    very easy. It's a family business
    situation. I asked her if she wanted to be
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    in the audience or up on stage with me
    she's opted for the stage version.
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