What we can learn from birds about ourselves | Mikus Āboliņš-Ābols | TEDxRiga
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0:17 - 0:19I study birds.
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0:19 - 0:21I'm an ornithologist.
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0:21 - 0:24When I say that to people,
they usually assume -
0:24 - 0:28I'm one of those crazy people
that wakes up in the middle of the night, -
0:28 - 0:32drives across the country
to see some obscure bird. -
0:32 - 0:33And they're right.
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0:33 - 0:34(Laughter)
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0:34 - 0:36I've done things to see birds
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0:36 - 0:39that many of you
would not do to your parents. -
0:39 - 0:42I've gone out on a ship
in the middle of the winter storm -
0:42 - 0:43to count gulls.
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0:43 - 0:48I've spent months on a rock
in an ocean to count sea birds. -
0:48 - 0:51For many summers, I've woken up
at 5 o'clock in the morning -
0:51 - 0:55to watch amazing birds - sparrows.
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0:55 - 0:58I do this because I really,
really like birds. -
0:58 - 1:02I think they're beautiful,
and I think they're fun. -
1:02 - 1:03But over years,
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1:03 - 1:06I've come to appreciate birds
from a different perspective, -
1:06 - 1:09from a perspective
that's more than just fun. -
1:10 - 1:13Because, when you take
a closer look at birds, -
1:13 - 1:14when you spend more than just a second
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1:14 - 1:18looking at the same individual,
the same species, -
1:18 - 1:23you start to see these amazing parallels
between birds and us. -
1:24 - 1:27You start to realize
that we can study birds -
1:27 - 1:31to answer fundamental questions
about our behavior, ourselves, -
1:31 - 1:33questions that apply to us.
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1:33 - 1:36This is important
because there are many questions -
1:36 - 1:39about our behavior,
about how we are built -
1:39 - 1:41that we can't answer using ourselves
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1:41 - 1:44because of logistical
or ethical challenges. -
1:44 - 1:47Instead, we use model organisms.
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1:48 - 1:52For example, to find out
how cancer works, we use mice -
1:52 - 1:56because mouse cells and human cells,
mouse organs and our organs -
1:56 - 1:58work in much the same way.
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1:58 - 2:04By studying mice, we can find out
treatments for our diseases. -
2:04 - 2:07But we can't use mice
to study everything in humans. -
2:08 - 2:13And so today, I will show you
that birds are a great model system -
2:13 - 2:18for questions that apply to us
about our behavior, our physiology. -
2:18 - 2:20Birds are a great model for behavior
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2:20 - 2:23because their social system
is really similar to ours. -
2:23 - 2:2590% of birds form pairs.
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2:26 - 2:30They have something
that we could call a family. -
2:30 - 2:34In 85% of bird species,
both mom and dad take care of the babies, -
2:34 - 2:36much the same way as we do,
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2:36 - 2:40and this makes birds more similar to us
than many mammals -
2:40 - 2:45because biparental care
is rather rare in animal kingdom. -
2:46 - 2:47Birds have personalities.
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2:47 - 2:51They vary tremendously
in how aggressive they are, -
2:51 - 2:53how sociable they are,
how daring they are, -
2:53 - 2:55much the same way as we do.
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2:56 - 2:58Birds are also great models for physiology
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2:58 - 3:02because bird hormones
and our hormones are really similar, -
3:02 - 3:05and our nervous systems work
in the same way. -
3:05 - 3:06To demonstrate this,
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3:07 - 3:09I will tell you three stories
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3:09 - 3:11from my research
and my colleagues' research, -
3:11 - 3:14I will show you that we can study birds
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3:14 - 3:21to answer fundamental questions
about empathy, sex, and stress. -
3:21 - 3:24Empathy is a very important human emotion,
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3:24 - 3:27it's the ability to put ourselves
in other's shoes, -
3:27 - 3:30understand things
from other's perspective. -
3:30 - 3:34Empathy makes us who we are,
it allows us to forgive. -
3:35 - 3:38Have you ever wondered
why we have empathy? -
3:38 - 3:39Why care about others?
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3:39 - 3:42Because the principle of natural selection
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3:42 - 3:44seems to suggest
that we should all be selfish, -
3:44 - 3:47we should not care
about others, but yet we do. -
3:47 - 3:49Why?
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3:49 - 3:52We can ask this question in birds.
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3:52 - 3:54Birds do this thing called mobbing
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3:54 - 3:58where they come help each other
to drive off predators. -
3:58 - 4:02This cute European songbird,
the pied flycatcher, -
4:02 - 4:03helps their neighbors
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4:03 - 4:07to drive off predators
when they attack their nests. -
4:07 - 4:09But they are calculating little animals:
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4:09 - 4:13they only help each other
if they are being helped back. -
4:14 - 4:17It is a famous strategy in game theory
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4:17 - 4:18that's called tit for tat.
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4:19 - 4:24But this strategy is also vulnerable
to end up in a complete mess -
4:24 - 4:27because somebody, by accident,
at some point, will drop the ball, -
4:27 - 4:28fail to cooperate,
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4:28 - 4:31and this whole cooperation will stop.
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4:31 - 4:33Yet, these birds keep cooperating.
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4:33 - 4:35How do they do it?
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4:35 - 4:38A Latvian professor
Indriķis Krams and I showed -
4:38 - 4:41that pied flycatchers maintain cooperation
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4:41 - 4:44because they are able to understand
each other's circumstances. -
4:44 - 4:46They show empathy.
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4:46 - 4:48This is how it works.
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4:48 - 4:52The bird is attacked,
it needs help from its neighbors. -
4:52 - 4:54They usually come to help,
and everything is fine, -
4:54 - 4:56as this bird will afterwards
cooperate back. -
4:56 - 4:59But sometimes, the help does not come.
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4:59 - 5:02If you're playing
a strict game of tit for tat, -
5:02 - 5:04this would lead
to a breakdown of cooperation -
5:04 - 5:08because this animal would
never ever talk to these guys again. -
5:08 - 5:12But these pied flycatchers
sometimes bend these rules. -
5:12 - 5:14They forgive birds
that couldn't come to help -
5:14 - 5:17because of honest reasons,
such as they just weren't at home, -
5:17 - 5:19but they refuse to cooperate
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5:19 - 5:23with birds that didn't help
even if they were able to. -
5:23 - 5:26So empathy, the ability
to forgive some, but not all, -
5:26 - 5:30enables these birds
to keep cooperation going. -
5:30 - 5:34And though human empathy
surely is a much more complicated emotion, -
5:34 - 5:37our research shows
that it's also very ancient, -
5:37 - 5:41that it's shared between birds and humans,
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5:41 - 5:45and it likely evolved
to help us cooperate. -
5:45 - 5:48Birds can teach us
about our sexual behavior. -
5:48 - 5:51Similarly to humans,
birds appear monogamous, -
5:51 - 5:54which means that they form pairs,
they have something like a family, -
5:54 - 5:58but they also cheat, have sex
with other individuals all the time, -
5:58 - 6:01this happens around 30% of time.
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6:03 - 6:04So why is that?
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6:04 - 6:08Why do people and why do birds cheat?
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6:08 - 6:09(Laughter)
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6:09 - 6:12In terms of evolution, the answer
may be straight forward for males -
6:12 - 6:16because the more you cheat,
the more females you have sex with, -
6:16 - 6:17the more children you have,
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6:17 - 6:22and so you pass your genes on
to the next generation more successfully. -
6:22 - 6:25But for females, the answer
is less straight forward. -
6:25 - 6:29In most species, the number of children
a female can have is limited, -
6:29 - 6:31it's constrained to a certain number.
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6:31 - 6:33So why spend time and energy
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6:33 - 6:36trying to find different fathers
for your children -
6:36 - 6:39if you have a perfectly willing
partner at home? -
6:40 - 6:41You can imagine
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6:41 - 6:46how hard it would be to study
this question in humans. -
6:46 - 6:50Instead, we use a large population
of this gray brown American sparrow -
6:50 - 6:52called dark-eyed junco.
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6:52 - 6:54We catch these birds
that are cheating -
6:54 - 6:56much the same way
if we catch people who are cheating: -
6:57 - 6:58we use their DNA.
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6:59 - 7:00We compare the DNA
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7:00 - 7:04between the moms, their babies,
and all the males in the population, -
7:04 - 7:07year after year after year.
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7:07 - 7:10We follow the babies,
we follow the babies' babies. -
7:11 - 7:12The human equivalent of this
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7:12 - 7:17would be to study an entire town
for something like 200 years; -
7:17 - 7:19it's a pretty hard task.
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7:20 - 7:21So using these techniques,
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7:21 - 7:24Professor Ellen Ketterson
and Dr. Nicole Gerlach, -
7:24 - 7:28with whom I've had the pleasure
to work with at the Indiana University, -
7:28 - 7:32showed that cheating can be advantageous,
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7:32 - 7:34that birds that cheat
have higher evolutionary fitness. -
7:35 - 7:37And this is why.
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7:37 - 7:39Imagine two females:
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7:39 - 7:42one female, the faithful one,
has sex only with her partner, -
7:42 - 7:44the other, the promiscuous female,
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7:44 - 7:48has sex with her partner,
but also cheats with this other sexy dude, -
7:48 - 7:54and sexy in this species means older,
bigger, and this big white tale. -
7:54 - 7:58They both have the same number of babies
because they can only lay four eggs. -
7:58 - 8:02But what the promiscuous female has
that the faithful one does not -
8:02 - 8:05is this son that was fathered
in that promiscuous mating, -
8:05 - 8:08and this son grows up to be
just like his dad: -
8:08 - 8:13he has a lot of sex with a lot of females
and produces a lot of children. -
8:13 - 8:16And the result of this thing
is that the promiscuous female -
8:16 - 8:20has way more grandchildren
than the faithful one. -
8:20 - 8:22This is called the good genes hypothesis.
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8:22 - 8:27This shows that cheating
can have an evolutionary advantage, -
8:27 - 8:30that it's an evolved behavior.
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8:31 - 8:33I'm not saying you should go out
and cheat tonight, -
8:33 - 8:34that would be kind of bad,
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8:34 - 8:38but, if you do, you might just end up
with really sexy children. -
8:38 - 8:41(Laughter)
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8:41 - 8:44So the desire to have sex
does not stand alone, -
8:44 - 8:47there are many things
that affect our desire to reproduce, -
8:47 - 8:49and one of the biggest ones is stress.
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8:49 - 8:51It's a big thing in our lives.
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8:51 - 8:54When I am stressed,
like before this TEDx talk, -
8:54 - 8:59I don't want to go party,
I don't want to have sex, -
8:59 - 9:02and I'm sure many people
in this audience and in the backstage -
9:02 - 9:03feel the same way.
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9:04 - 9:07So why? How does stress
affect our reproduction? -
9:07 - 9:09Why does this happen?
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9:10 - 9:12We can ask this thing in birds.
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9:12 - 9:14We can ask this in birds
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9:14 - 9:17because many aspects
of stress and reproduction -
9:17 - 9:19are regulated by hormones,
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9:19 - 9:23and birds and humans share hormones
that are nearly identical. -
9:23 - 9:27We both have testosterone
that is produced in our gonads, -
9:27 - 9:32that regulates, in both males and females,
sexual behavior and development. -
9:32 - 9:34We both have glucocorticoids,
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9:34 - 9:37stress hormones that are produced
in the adrenal glands here. -
9:37 - 9:43We also share estrogen,
progesterone, oxytocin, adrenaline, -
9:43 - 9:45and the list goes on and on and on,
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9:45 - 9:50so our hormones, these complicated,
intricate systems, are nearly identical. -
9:51 - 9:54They are probably so ancient
that they were present in dinosaurs. -
9:55 - 9:59So we can use these parallels,
we can capitalize on these similarities -
9:59 - 10:02to study birds to answer
questions about ourselves, -
10:02 - 10:05about how stress affects reproduction.
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10:05 - 10:09A good candidate
for this effect is testosterone, -
10:09 - 10:12because testosterone
is so important in reproduction. -
10:12 - 10:17I asked these brown American sparrows
how the stress affects testosterone. -
10:17 - 10:18And it has big effects.
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10:18 - 10:21When you stress these birds out,
when their life is in danger, -
10:21 - 10:24when they perceive
that their life is threatened, -
10:24 - 10:27they reduce their testosterone levels,
and then they jump up. -
10:27 - 10:29This might not be bad,
this might actually be good -
10:30 - 10:34because maybe it is better to focus
your energy responding to stress -
10:34 - 10:36rather than being distracted by sex.
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10:36 - 10:39But for some of us,
stress is not just this one time thing, -
10:39 - 10:43it's a constant occurrence,
we are stressed day after day after day. -
10:43 - 10:46What happens to our testosterone?
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10:47 - 10:51I asked this in these birds,
and I showed that if you develop -
10:51 - 10:54in a really traumatic,
nerve-racking environment, -
10:54 - 10:57you have lower testosterone,
generally, and that's bad, -
10:57 - 11:03but you're also less sensitive to stress,
and that's a good thing. -
11:03 - 11:07So my research shows
that stress in development -
11:07 - 11:10can have major effects
on your testosterone. -
11:11 - 11:13By understanding the mechanisms
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11:13 - 11:17by which stress affects our lives,
by which stress affects reproduction, -
11:17 - 11:22we can move towards cures and solutions
for problems that affect us, -
11:22 - 11:25our own problems and diseases.
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11:25 - 11:29So we can learn from birds about stress.
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11:29 - 11:32You can't use birds to study everything.
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11:32 - 11:34It wouldn't make sense
to study cancer in birds -
11:34 - 11:37because their organs
are a little different from ours. -
11:37 - 11:42But because their physiological
and nervous systems are so similar to us, -
11:43 - 11:45because their behavior,
their social behavior, -
11:45 - 11:46is so similar to ours,
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11:46 - 11:48we can use birds to ask basic questions
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11:48 - 11:55about empathy, about cooperation,
stress, sex, and many more things. -
11:55 - 12:00For example, we can study birds
to study personalities. -
12:00 - 12:03Why are there so many personalities?
How are they regulated? -
12:03 - 12:04We can study birds
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12:04 - 12:09to understand how cities affect
our behavior and our hormones. -
12:09 - 12:12We can study birds to understand
how parenting works -
12:12 - 12:13because there aren't many animals
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12:13 - 12:15where both mom and dad
take care of the babies. -
12:16 - 12:18This cover is from the Science magazine,
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12:18 - 12:22one of the most famous
and influential magazines in science. -
12:22 - 12:24In this edition, scientists showed
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12:24 - 12:28that we can learn from birds
about speech development -
12:28 - 12:33because song development in birds
and development of speech in humans -
12:33 - 12:37share many parallels
at the physiological level. -
12:37 - 12:40So there is much more to birds
than just their looks. -
12:41 - 12:45As ornithologists - we're crazy people -
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12:45 - 12:49we wake up at 5 o'clock in the morning
and drive across the country -
12:49 - 12:52not only because we want to marvel
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12:52 - 12:55at the birds, at their beauty,
and how fun they are -
12:55 - 13:00but also because we want to learn
fundamental truths about ourselves, -
13:00 - 13:03abut how nature works,
about how evolution works. -
13:04 - 13:07In fact, one of the birds that tells
the most about ourselves -
13:07 - 13:11is this seemingly unremarkable
gray brown American sparrow. -
13:11 - 13:15But when you take a look at it,
when you spend some time looking at it, -
13:15 - 13:19you realize how much
you can learn from it. -
13:19 - 13:24So next time you see a bird, ask yourself,
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13:24 - 13:26"Can I learn something from you?"
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13:26 - 13:27Thank you.
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13:27 - 13:29(Applause)
- Title:
- What we can learn from birds about ourselves | Mikus Āboliņš-Ābols | TEDxRiga
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
Why do we cheat? Why do we forgive? Why do we get stressed? When difficult questions like these cannot be answered using humans, we turn to other organisms. It turns out that birds have the answer …
Mikus Āboliņš-Ābols studies birds to understand how animals respond to social and environmental challenges. He believes that his work on birds can bring about fundamental insights into how stress and risk affect our social and sexual behavior.
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