Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland
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0:09 - 0:12Have you ever met a monster?
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0:12 - 0:17Someone so scary they alerted
the reptilian part of your brain? -
0:17 - 0:21One morning, I was going to my job
as a criminal justice reporter in Denver. -
0:21 - 0:23I stepped into a crowded elevator,
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0:23 - 0:24faced front,
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0:24 - 0:27and got the sense that someone
behind me was watching me. -
0:27 - 0:29So I glanced over my shoulder
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0:29 - 0:33to see this man staring at me
in a very calculating way -
0:33 - 0:36with cold shark eyes.
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0:36 - 0:37So I stared back,
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0:37 - 0:39and my look said "rude person,"
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0:39 - 0:41and he didn't drop his eyes.
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0:41 - 0:44So I ended that contest
and turned back around, -
0:44 - 0:47alarm bells sounding in my head.
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0:47 - 0:50I instantly decided I didn't want him
to know which floor was mine. -
0:50 - 0:53So at the next stop,
just before the doors came together, -
0:53 - 0:55I darted out at the last minute.
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0:55 - 0:59I flew up the stairs
and ran into the newsroom, -
0:59 - 1:01my heart pounding.
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1:01 - 1:03The fear of monsters is instinctive.
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1:04 - 1:06In Denver, in 2005,
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1:06 - 1:09reports of a serial rapist
had residents so frightened, -
1:09 - 1:11some were carrying baseball bats.
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1:12 - 1:15Police released a name, Brent Brents,
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1:15 - 1:19and the media scrambled to find out
whatever we could on this guy. -
1:19 - 1:23A reporter at the rival newspaper got
Brents' sister in Arkansas on the phone, -
1:23 - 1:24and she said,
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1:24 - 1:26"He deserves whatever he gets,"
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1:26 - 1:28before hanging up.
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1:28 - 1:31One sentence, but we'd been scooped.
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1:31 - 1:35"Get thee on a plane
to Arkansas," editors said. -
1:35 - 1:38"Find his family
and get them to talk to you." -
1:38 - 1:39So I did.
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1:39 - 1:43His mother described Brents
as willful, intelligent. -
1:43 - 1:45He'd grown up hunting and fishing;
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1:45 - 1:48ran track, wrestled, boxed.
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1:48 - 1:49He had a learning disorder
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1:49 - 1:52and became frustrated,
then angry, in school. -
1:52 - 1:55He started smoking pot
at age 10 and drinking, -
1:55 - 1:58and that's when he began
beating his mother. -
1:58 - 2:01At 13, he flipped a switch
on a railroad track -
2:01 - 2:03and was sent to juvenile detention,
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2:03 - 2:06where he was in and out
until the age of 18 -
2:06 - 2:08when he was convicted
of raping two children. -
2:09 - 2:13He served 16 years in prison
and was released without supervision. -
2:14 - 2:18His sister remarked that Brent
had a lot of anger toward their father, -
2:18 - 2:20who had died the year before.
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2:20 - 2:21So I turned to the mom and said,
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2:21 - 2:23"I'm sorry to ask,
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2:23 - 2:26but this is a standard question
when someone sexually abuses others: -
2:26 - 2:29was Brent ever abused as a child?"
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2:30 - 2:31There was a long pause,
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2:31 - 2:33and then, looking down, she said,
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2:33 - 2:36"Brent makes up all kinds of lies."
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2:37 - 2:40Police caught him
a few days after Valentine's Day. -
2:40 - 2:41At the start of that weekend,
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2:41 - 2:43a detective had told him on the phone,
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2:43 - 2:46"Turn yourself in, you little punk."
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2:46 - 2:48Brents essentially replied,
"Come find me." -
2:49 - 2:53That weekend, he raped five victims,
including two children, -
2:53 - 2:55and nearly beat a young woman to death.
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2:56 - 2:59The DNA from those cases
was processed within hours, -
2:59 - 3:00and the manhunt that followed
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3:00 - 3:03ended in a dramatic car chase
into the mountains, -
3:03 - 3:05where police captured him at gunpoint.
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3:06 - 3:09This kind of story
causes a media feeding frenzy. -
3:09 - 3:12Reporters flocked
to the jail, but I didn't. -
3:12 - 3:14I didn't think it would do any good.
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3:14 - 3:18Instead, I sent him a letter
on plain stationery, handwritten, -
3:18 - 3:20two sentences:
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3:20 - 3:21"Dear Brent,
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3:21 - 3:25I went to Arkansas, where I met
with your mom and sister. -
3:25 - 3:26If you were to ask them,
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3:26 - 3:29they would say I treated them
with dignity and respect, -
3:29 - 3:31and I would do the same for you."
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3:31 - 3:34I then gave him the phone
number to the newsroom -
3:34 - 3:36and told him to call collect anytime.
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3:36 - 3:39Because I figured
he'd be getting a lot of hate mail, -
3:39 - 3:40on the back of the envelope, I wrote,
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3:40 - 3:43"Please don't be afraid to open this."
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3:45 - 3:46At the end of that week,
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3:46 - 3:50police issued a statement
about another confirmed victim of Brents. -
3:50 - 3:54And since they'll protect the identity
of a victim of sexual assault, -
3:54 - 3:58they'll only release the cross streets
that are close to where it happened. -
3:58 - 4:02"Get thee to those cross streets,
you and a photographer," editors said. -
4:02 - 4:05"Find this anonymous victim,
and get her to talk to you." -
4:06 - 4:07Right.
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4:07 - 4:09So off we went to those cross streets,
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4:09 - 4:13and we found a sea of rental units,
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4:13 - 4:15like giant Legos.
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4:15 - 4:18We knocked on doors
for hours, with no luck. -
4:18 - 4:22It was close to getting dark
when we saw a woman out walking her dog. -
4:22 - 4:25Dog walkers are always great
for information, -
4:25 - 4:26and sure enough,
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4:26 - 4:29she said the handyman had told her
about a woman who'd been attacked. -
4:29 - 4:31She gave us the handyman's door number,
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4:31 - 4:33and he gave us the victim's door number.
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4:33 - 4:35I knocked on the door,
and a man answered, -
4:35 - 4:38and I could see this tiny,
dark-haired woman hiding behind the door. -
4:38 - 4:41And I identified myself,
and she came out and said, -
4:41 - 4:43"You scared me."
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4:45 - 4:46Her name is Margaret,
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4:46 - 4:48and she told me her story.
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4:48 - 4:51Her attack had happened
nearly three weeks earlier, -
4:51 - 4:55and she still had the yellow outlines
of bruises on her neck. -
4:55 - 4:57Brents had rushed her at her front door -
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4:57 - 4:59she was coming home from running errands.
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4:59 - 5:00She fought him,
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5:00 - 5:02and he beat and choked her
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5:02 - 5:04and then raped her.
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5:04 - 5:06Margaret pointed to her couch,
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5:06 - 5:09which had a big chunk
cut out of the upholstery. -
5:09 - 5:11The police had taken it for evidence
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5:11 - 5:13because that was where
the rape had happened. -
5:14 - 5:16And when you can't afford a new couch
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5:16 - 5:18and you can't afford
to break your lease and move - -
5:18 - 5:20and Margaret couldn't -
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5:20 - 5:23then you're forced to live
with reminders of your worst nightmare. -
5:25 - 5:26The police had told her
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5:26 - 5:29the DNA from her case
would take about two months to process. -
5:29 - 5:32They gave her no hope of solving her case.
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5:32 - 5:35And then she saw a story
about Brents being wanted -
5:35 - 5:38and recognized his mug shot
as her attacker. -
5:38 - 5:42One of the last things she said to me
that night really struck me. -
5:42 - 5:44She said, "I hate him.
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5:44 - 5:46Yet I still feel sorry for him.
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5:46 - 5:48An animal - poor creature."
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5:49 - 5:52A week later, Brents called me.
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5:52 - 5:56One of the first things he said to me was
"I'm not going to give you anything." -
5:56 - 5:58I love it when people call me and say,
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5:58 - 5:59"I'm not going to talk to you."
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5:59 - 6:01Okay.
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6:02 - 6:03He then said,
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6:03 - 6:05"I have one question for you,
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6:05 - 6:07and anything further
depends on your answer." -
6:07 - 6:10And he said, "People say
they hate me, that I'm a monster. -
6:10 - 6:12Do you think so?"
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6:12 - 6:15And without thinking,
I said, "No, I don't. -
6:16 - 6:18You've done monstrous things,
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6:18 - 6:20but I don't consider you a monster."
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6:21 - 6:23And that's how we started
a correspondence. -
6:24 - 6:25In one letter, Brents wrote,
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6:25 - 6:29"Don't trip - I've actually stood
two feet away from you in an elevator." -
6:29 - 6:31And rolling my eyes,
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6:31 - 6:33I pulled out a piece of paper
to fire back a response of -
6:33 - 6:37"Don't BS me. We had a deal
to always tell the truth." -
6:37 - 6:42And I realized that had been him
behind me on the elevator that morning. -
6:42 - 6:44The man whose very presence
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6:44 - 6:47had caused me to run to the newsroom
like a frightened rabbit. -
6:48 - 6:51It turned out that Brents
had followed my work. -
6:51 - 6:54A few months before
he was released from prison, -
6:54 - 6:55I had co-authored a three-part series
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6:55 - 7:00into how the military mishandles cases
of sexual assault and domestic violence, -
7:00 - 7:03and that had resonated with him.
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7:03 - 7:06Not because he was a perpetrator,
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7:06 - 7:11but because the angry man-child within him
considered himself a victim. -
7:12 - 7:16This is a picture of Brent in first grade.
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7:16 - 7:19His father had been raping him
for three years by then. -
7:19 - 7:24A few weeks after this next picture
was taken, when Brent was 12, -
7:24 - 7:26his father beat him so badly
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7:26 - 7:29that he suffered
what medical records described -
7:29 - 7:32as "a left orbital blowout fracture."
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7:32 - 7:34His left eye socket was broken.
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7:35 - 7:38Records and interviews with family members
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7:38 - 7:42indicate that his father
was a violent, sadistic man. -
7:42 - 7:44The two children from his second marriage
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7:44 - 7:46were both removed from the home
because of his abuse. -
7:46 - 7:49And Brent and his brother
were both returned, -
7:49 - 7:51although it's not clear why.
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7:52 - 7:53Brent's father told him
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7:53 - 7:56that he himself had been beaten
and sexually abused as a child -
7:56 - 7:59by his father, Brent's grandfather.
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7:59 - 8:02And so the pattern repeated:
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8:02 - 8:07pain, degradation, shame.
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8:07 - 8:11Brent Brents did to others
what had been done to him as a child. -
8:11 - 8:15And while he was still a child,
like many victims he blamed himself. -
8:16 - 8:17He once wrote,
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8:17 - 8:19"I don't remember much
of when I was real young -
8:19 - 8:23except fear and shame
and lack of courage." -
8:23 - 8:26Brents told me that after
that detective said to him, -
8:26 - 8:28"Turn yourself in, you little punk,"
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8:28 - 8:33that he, Brents,
had worked himself into a rage. -
8:33 - 8:37Then he'd gone and committed
his final horrific crime spree. -
8:38 - 8:39And I'm not saying
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8:39 - 8:44that these factors are an excuse
for the violence Brents committed. -
8:45 - 8:47He made choices.
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8:47 - 8:51He absolutely deserves
to spend the rest of his life in prison. -
8:52 - 8:54But knowing what happened to him
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8:54 - 8:58does help explain why someone like Brents
could commit such violence -
8:58 - 9:01with such a lack of empathy -
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9:01 - 9:04that his brain was predisposed to it
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9:04 - 9:08and the abuse inflicted
on him was his model. -
9:09 - 9:10It's human nature
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9:10 - 9:13to want to distance yourself
from someone like him, -
9:13 - 9:16label him as a "monster,"
dismiss him as evil. -
9:16 - 9:19We don't want to have
anything in common with such a monster -
9:19 - 9:23because then it could mean that we too
are capable of monstrous things. -
9:24 - 9:28But putting a rapist in the category
of "monster" may make us feel safer today, -
9:28 - 9:31but it's more dangerous for tomorrow
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9:31 - 9:35because then we won't believe
that the "monster" can be a neighbor, -
9:35 - 9:37a co-worker, a trusted friend.
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9:38 - 9:41And that enables them
to hide in plain sight. -
9:42 - 9:45The dominant theme of how to prevent
sexual assault today -
9:45 - 9:48is cloaked in helpful advice like
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9:48 - 9:52"Don't walk alone, don't drink too much,
don't put yourself at risk." -
9:52 - 9:54And the message, primarily to women,
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9:54 - 9:56is "Don't get raped."
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9:57 - 10:01How about we turn our focus
to a different population instead and say -
10:01 - 10:03"Don't rape."
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10:04 - 10:06And then why don't we take it
one step further -
10:06 - 10:07and ask ourselves
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10:07 - 10:13what are we doing wrong as a culture
that we continue to produce rapists? -
10:13 - 10:17Because whether it's the ex-convict
who attacks strangers, -
10:17 - 10:20the college boy who rapes his girlfriend,
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10:20 - 10:24or the celebrity who drugs
and assaults his victims - -
10:24 - 10:30they all choose to exert anger, power,
and control over someone else. -
10:30 - 10:34And with that choice,
they are all the same. -
10:34 - 10:37And they all leave pain in their wake.
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10:39 - 10:42I've interviewed more than 50 survivors
of campus sexual assault -
10:42 - 10:44in the past two years alone.
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10:44 - 10:47And the details I learn
about their perpetrators -
10:47 - 10:52paint a picture of so many young men
being deliberately predatory. -
10:53 - 10:55They isolate their intended victim,
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10:55 - 10:58they ply them with drugs and alcohol,
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10:58 - 11:00they lock doors,
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11:00 - 11:03they ignore tears,
they ignore pleas to stop, -
11:03 - 11:08they ignore the fact their victim
is limp with fear or is unconscious. -
11:09 - 11:1410 years ago, Brent Brents
was sentenced to 1,509 years. -
11:14 - 11:19Today, all over this country, we're seeing
new generations of serial rapists. -
11:20 - 11:22Why is this still happening?
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11:22 - 11:27Why do we continue to reinforce
the message to our boys and young men -
11:27 - 11:32that their worth is linked
to their ability to dominate? -
11:32 - 11:37What if we prized compassion
more than power? -
11:38 - 11:40When they're little, we tell our kids,
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11:40 - 11:43"Play nicely in the sandbox."
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11:43 - 11:45They get older, and we say,
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11:45 - 11:46"Don't get in fights in the playground.
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11:46 - 11:49Take a breath, count to 10, walk away."
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11:50 - 11:52Then they get older still,
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11:52 - 11:57and we teach them about the biological
aspects of sex: health and reproduction. -
11:58 - 12:02What if we were to evolve
those conversations with our youth -
12:02 - 12:05and teach them how feeling shame,
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12:05 - 12:07how feeling powerless, feeling angry -
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12:07 - 12:11all of which cover up hurt and rejection -
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12:11 - 12:14could cause them to want
to dominate someone else? -
12:15 - 12:19And that they can learn
to recognize triggers and not act on them? -
12:19 - 12:22At least start that conversation.
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12:22 - 12:26And then speak up
if you witness predatory behavior - -
12:26 - 12:28and you'll know it when you see it.
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12:28 - 12:32Don't make excuses for it,
don't look away, don't cover it up. -
12:33 - 12:36And because sexual assault
happens on a continuum, -
12:36 - 12:41starting with verbal harassment
and escalating to a physical attack, -
12:41 - 12:47speak up if you hear or read a joke
about sexual assault or victimization. -
12:47 - 12:51It's not funny; it's not sexy.
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12:51 - 12:53It's dangerous.
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12:53 - 12:56If someone confides in you
that they've been sexually assaulted, -
12:56 - 12:58believe them.
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12:58 - 13:02False reports are so rare,
so yes, believe them. -
13:02 - 13:04Listen to them without judgment.
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13:04 - 13:05Help them find resources
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13:05 - 13:08and then support
whatever they decide to do. -
13:09 - 13:11For victims, Brents told me
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13:11 - 13:16that group counseling for sexual offenders
in prison does not work. -
13:16 - 13:19For an inmate even to be seen
going to sex offender group -
13:19 - 13:21puts their safety at risk.
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13:21 - 13:24And once there, they don't want
to be seen as vulnerable. -
13:24 - 13:27It's difficult to change
when you're living in fear. -
13:28 - 13:31And if we really do want
to help them try to change, -
13:31 - 13:35why not offer more
of the respect and compassion -
13:35 - 13:39that can be felt with
one-on-one focused attention? -
13:39 - 13:42Something a damaged person
desperately needs. -
13:43 - 13:47Instead of building more prisons
and focusing on punishing perpetrators, -
13:47 - 13:49why don't we try to prevent them?
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13:50 - 13:51Brents has often said,
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13:51 - 13:55by the time he was nine,
his brain was broken. -
13:57 - 14:00What if someone had intervened
in his life early on? -
14:00 - 14:02A neighbor, a teacher.
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14:03 - 14:07How could no one have noticed
that boy who went to school with bruises, -
14:07 - 14:09smelling like urine
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14:09 - 14:11because he had wet the bed
the night before -
14:11 - 14:13rather than creep
down the hall to the bathroom -
14:13 - 14:15and risk waking his father?
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14:16 - 14:18If you help an abused child,
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14:18 - 14:24you could be preventing a lifetime of pain
for more than one person. -
14:25 - 14:29So many people today
live in what I call "garage houses," -
14:29 - 14:31where the garage is the dominant feature.
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14:31 - 14:33They drive up to their garage at night,
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14:33 - 14:36the door goes up, the car goes in,
the door goes down, -
14:36 - 14:39and they stay inside
until they leave the next day. -
14:39 - 14:42They can't tell you the name
of the family down the street. -
14:42 - 14:45They won't interact,
and they sure won't intervene. -
14:46 - 14:51What if we dared to care
without hesitation, without condition? -
14:52 - 14:53It's a harsh truth,
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14:53 - 14:56but our society cares more
about sexual assault victims -
14:56 - 14:59if they are the right kind of victim.
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14:59 - 15:01Remember how police told Margaret
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15:01 - 15:04the DNA from her case
would sit on a shelf for two months? -
15:05 - 15:08When Brents attacked victims
in a high-income neighborhood, -
15:08 - 15:10that DNA was processed within hours.
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15:11 - 15:15Lady Justice might be blind,
but she can sure have a champagne taste. -
15:17 - 15:18I stayed in touch with Margaret
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15:18 - 15:21as her case wound its way
through the court system. -
15:21 - 15:25In July of 2005, Brents
pleaded guilty to her attack. -
15:26 - 15:30Like many survivors who struggle
with post-traumatic stress disorder, -
15:30 - 15:33Margaret was terrified
of leaving the house. -
15:33 - 15:36She had nightmares, flashbacks.
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15:36 - 15:38She couldn't hold down a job.
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15:38 - 15:40Her marriage fell apart.
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15:41 - 15:42The day before the hearing,
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15:42 - 15:45Margaret asked me to deliver
a message to Brents for her, -
15:45 - 15:46and I agreed.
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15:46 - 15:48And this was her message:
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15:48 - 15:50"Tell him ...
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15:51 - 15:52I forgive him."
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15:54 - 15:56It's stunning, isn't it?
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15:57 - 16:01How could she forgive this man
who wounded her so? -
16:01 - 16:04Who nearly took everything from her?
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16:05 - 16:06And she said,
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16:06 - 16:09"I'm not thinking of the man
who tried to kill me. -
16:09 - 16:12I'm thinking of the little boy
who had the same thing happen to him." -
16:13 - 16:16And she said, "Hating is not hard.
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16:16 - 16:20But if I go on hating him,
I will never get over it." -
16:21 - 16:22And she added,
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16:22 - 16:26"If it was me, I would want someone
to try to help me or listen to me -
16:26 - 16:29and not just look at me
like I was an animal or a monster." -
16:31 - 16:33She inspires me.
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16:33 - 16:38If Margaret can forgive Brent Brents,
we can forgive anybody. -
16:40 - 16:44This case had a profound
effect on my life. -
16:44 - 16:48It taught me that we are all connected
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16:48 - 16:53and that turning our backs on others
is really abandoning ourselves. -
16:53 - 16:57It made me realize I didn't like
the reporter I had become. -
16:57 - 16:59It was actually Brents
who pointed out to me -
16:59 - 17:01that he and I had something in common:
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17:01 - 17:03we were both driven.
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17:04 - 17:07I quit that job shortly after
his case ended, -
17:07 - 17:10and I will never again work in a newsroom,
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17:10 - 17:12because the desperate
competition for ratings -
17:12 - 17:15is unhealthy for me in many ways.
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17:15 - 17:20And I no longer knock
on a survivor's door unless I'm invited. -
17:21 - 17:23I started that correspondence with Brents
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17:23 - 17:27because as a journalist who has spent
a lifetime covering sexual assault, -
17:27 - 17:30I wanted an answer to the question "Why?"
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17:31 - 17:34He began as a bug under a microscope,
and that's what I told him. -
17:36 - 17:41Brent Brents became a lesson
in humanity and compassion. -
17:42 - 17:46Even so-called "monsters"
have things they're afraid of. -
17:46 - 17:48Brents wrote me about his.
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17:49 - 17:50He said,
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17:50 - 17:53"My biggest fear is that I will die
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17:53 - 17:57without ever having done anything good."
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17:59 - 18:01And that's why I tell this story.
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18:02 - 18:04Thank you for listening.
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18:04 - 18:05(Applause)
- Title:
- Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland
- Description:
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Messaging around sexual assault prevention is largely aimed at women and cloaked in helpful advice: don't walk alone, don't get drunk, don't put yourself at risk. Essentially, don't get raped.
What if we turn this attention to a different population and say, "Don't rape"? What are we doing wrong as a culture that we continue to produce rapists?
Through poignant storytelling, award-winning author and investigative producer Amy Herdy explores the cycle of sexual abuse and examines the dangers of dismissing our most violent predators as "monsters."
For more than 20 years, journalist and author Amy Herdy has specialized in trauma reporting, particularly sexual assault. Ms. Herdy’s professional engagements include teaching workshops on investigative reporting and trauma journalism for the U.S. State Department in Lahore, Karachi, and Islamabad in Pakistan. Her awards include an Emmy, a Society of Professional Journalists awards, a Radio, Television News Directors Association award, an Associated Press award, two American Society of Newspaper Editors awards, and a Military Reporters & Editors award.
In 2011, Ms. Herdy published an award-winning memoir, "Diary of a Predator," about her time at The Denver Post covering the case of serial rapist Brent Brents. In 2015, she was the investigative producer for the documentary, “The Hunting Ground." She is now an investigative producer for Chain Camera Pictures and lives on San Juan Island in Washington state.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Retired user accepted English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Eunice Tan edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland | |
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Eunice Tan edited English subtitles for Have you ever met a monster? | Amy Herdy | TEDxSanJuanIsland |