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Is Abortion Vegan? | The Pro Choice Dilemma

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    Nothing quite kills the mood at a dinner party
    like discussions of religion, politics, abortion,
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    or veganism. So I thought it would be a bang-up
    idea if in THIS video, we discuss all four!
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    (I don’t have much of a social life…)
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    Hi it's Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome
    to another vegan nugget. Among the litany
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    of objections to and arguments against veganism,
    from your standard “plants have feelings”
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    and “but lions eat meat,” lies an area
    of discourse not so easily answered or discounted:
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    the vegan stance on abortion.
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    The topics of abortion and veganism do share
    common ground. Both are decidedly polarizing
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    issues quick to spark heated debate, have
    passionately outspoken individuals on either
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    side of the issue, often utilize similar tactics
    within their outreach, education, and demonstrations,
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    and involve a strong focus on the concepts
    of sentience, individuality, pain perception
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    and consciousness.
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    Before we dive into this moralistic minefield,
    let me first state that I will not be settling
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    the abortion debate in this video. Sorry to
    disappoint. What I will do is present the
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    various arguments posed, along with perceived
    logical inconsistencies, and scientific insights.
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    I will also be using the common terms of pro-life
    and pro-choice though I realize that either
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    side has issues with these and have their
    own terminology. This is merely to simplify
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    the rhetoric in order to address the topic
    at hand. You can find complete citations and
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    a full bibliography for everything discussed
    today on the blog post for this video linked
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    below.
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    I’d like to add that there is no vegan consensus
    or official doctrine on abortion. Vegans,
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    like the rest of the world’s population,
    hold very different beliefs outside of their
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    refusal to participate in the exploitation
    of non-human animals. Views on abortion are
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    often, but not always, heavily influenced
    by ones religious or spiritual practice and
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    morals, which vary as wildly amongst vegans
    as non.
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    In fact the issue of whether abortion is even
    relevant to veganism itself is hotly debated.
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    While the abortion issue is, at least from
    my personal experience, most often thrown
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    out as a diversion tactic intended to invalidate
    veganism as a whole, there remain a few very
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    real and valid intersections to explore.
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    The disconnect most often perceived within
    the veganism and abortion debate is the pro-choice
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    vegan. Let’s start at the surface and the
    most basic argument against pro-choice veganism:
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    if vegans are against killing, then we have
    to be against all killing. The fallacy in
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    this position is what’s called a false dilemma,
    posing a black and white reality when ample
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    grey exists.
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    Even most peace-loving pacifists would defend
    themselves against an attacker and find no
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    moral fault in the death of a perpetrator
    during a true kill-or-be-killed situation.
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    On the other side of the coin lies the most
    basic defense for pro-choice veganism: abortion
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    is dealing with a fetus in utero, of which
    the sentience, consciousness and pain perception
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    continues to be hotly debated, while veganism
    deals with beings who are undeniably sentient,
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    conscious, and pain-perceiving. However, as
    we will soon see, this oversimplification
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    fails to account for countless complex nuances,
    though it is without doubt the most striking
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    divergence, and one to take into account.
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    When we start delving deeper into the abortion
    debate, the lines begin to blur even further.
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    The ability of a fetus to feel pain is a primary
    argument of the pro-life camp. Seeing as how
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    the prevention of pain and suffering is a
    pillar of vegan ethics as well, it would appear
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    that pro-choice vegans are left with quite
    the conundrum. If, in fact, a fetus can feel
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    pain, then the born vs. unborn moral distinction
    fails. The key word being “if.”
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    Here’s one of the places the abortion debate
    lacks the clarity of veganism. Scientists
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    still do not agree on fetal pain perception.
    A 2005 meta-analysis concluded that, “fetal
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    perception of pain is unlikely before the
    third trimester.” A 2010 review by Britain’s
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    Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists,
    stated that, “the fetus cannot experience
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    pain in any sense prior [to 24 weeks].”
    The earliest estimate comes from Dr. Kanwaljeet
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    S. Anand, something of an outlier in the field
    and oft-quoted by the pro-life cause. Anand
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    proposes a window of 18-24 weeks, though he’s
    emphasized that, “fetal pain does not have
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    much relevance for abortion, since most abortions
    are performed before the fetus is capable
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    of experiencing pain,” with only 1.5% of
    abortions occurring after 20 weeks in the
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    United States.
    One element clouding the issue is the difference
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    between nociception and pain, something I
    discuss more in-depth in my video “Can Fish
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    Feel Pain.” In short, there can be reaction
    to potentially painful or harmful stimuli
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    without the experience of pain, and nociceptors,
    which appear as early as 7 weeks, are not
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    in and of themselves capable of relaying pain.
    Of course, this uncertainty doesn’t exactly
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    place pro-choice veganism in the clear. Many
    vegans believe that the ability of non-human
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    animals to feel pain shouldn’t have to be
    scientifically proven to our satisfaction
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    before we stop abusing them. Why conduct cruel
    studies when they make it glaringly obvious
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    with crying out, trying to escape, flinching,
    struggling, and showing indicators of psychological
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    stress? We should operate on the assumption
    that they can feel pain. So why then, does
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    this courtesy not extend to a human fetus?
    If pain alone were the issue, vegans would
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    support the killing of unconscious animals
    and pro-lifers wouldn’t protest the abortion
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    of fetuses prior to the development of pain
    perception. But both issues have additional
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    layers, such as conscious awareness or sentience,
    and future life interests.
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    Vegans see the sentience of non-human animals,
    meaning their ability to feel, perceive and
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    experience life subjectively, as a solid grounds
    for their protection. Often interchanged with
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    “consciousness,” sentience in non-human
    animals is widely accepted among scientists,
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    with over 2,500 studies and the release of
    an international Declaration of Consciousness
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    in 2012.
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    Similar to the variances in pain-perception
    development, the certainty of sentience is
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    lacking within the abortion debate. Still,
    as vegan activist Gary Yourofsky has stated,
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    “sentience [isn’t] the only factor when
    deciding how we should treat other beings.
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    (Even though trees, mountains, air and water
    are insentient life forces, I think they have
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    a right NOT to be exploited and polluted and
    destroyed.)”
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    Where the argument against pro-choice veganism
    really gains some ground is the discussion
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    of life potential. Vegans, including myself,
    often argue that even if we could somehow,
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    someway actually kill a non-human animal without
    any pain or awareness, it would still be unethical
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    as we could be choosing to end their life
    prematurely. We do not see such an action
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    as our choice, as personal choice is no longer
    personal when it involves the welfare of another.
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    How, then, can a vegan possibly support the
    choice to abort the potential life of a human?
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    The argument that the fetus is not aware of
    a future won’t stand unless vegans also
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    condone the killing of animals who are unaware
    or unconscious at the time of death. So have
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    we circled back to the born vs. unborn divide?
    Again this becomes hazy with the uncertainty
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    of pain and sentience.
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    There exists an element of self-defense congruent
    with vegan ideals that can be applied to abortion
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    in the cases of rape and incest or when the
    life of the mother is at stake. But what about
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    abortion out of inconvenience or financial
    strain? Or sex-selective abortions wherein
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    female fetuses are aborted due to male cultural
    preference, a practice most often associated
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    with China and India, but prevalent in many
    other countries where males increasingly outnumber
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    females. Is choosing to stop the potential
    life of a fetus for what could be termed one’s
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    own comfort a parallel to meat eaters ending
    the lives of non-human animals for their own
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    comfort?
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    Even more direct parallels exist. In my video
    “Is Lab Meat Vegan,” I discussed the harvesting
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    methods for bovine fetal serum, a growth medium
    used within a wide range of laboratory experiments,
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    along with fetal pig and fetal sheep serums.
    Bovine fetal serum is obtained by piercing
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    and draining the beating heart of fetal calves
    who’ve been cut from their mothers’ wombs
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    in slaughterhouses.
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    This practice was understandably met with
    horror and disgust from vegan viewers and
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    even non-vegans. Were any of these vegans
    pro-choice, would this reaction be an indication
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    of dissonance or hypocrisy? The study I cited
    went on in length about the potential pain-perception
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    of the bovine fetuses and referenced a general
    acceptance of 24 weeks for human fetus pain
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    perception, and presented a figure of roughly
    12 weeks, or 3 months for cows, who are more
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    fully developed at birth than humans.
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    Again the variances in situation may create
    a buffer for the pro-choice vegan given that
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    bovine fetuses must be at least 3 months old
    to provide enough serum and are often 6 months
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    or older when put through this procedure without
    any anesthesia, well beyond the point of pain
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    perception. Additionally, it’s readily evident
    that a human mother procuring an abortion
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    differs dramatically from cutting a living
    fetus from the body of a mother cow slaughtered
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    against her will in order to drain the heart
    for profit.
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    I would like to bring up another wrinkle.
    While vegans believe in the rights of non-human
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    animals, the majority, from what I have found,
    which is by no means conclusive, do seem to
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    support the spaying and neutering of companion
    animals. While this is most certainly a violation
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    of their rights, it is not, as Gary Yourofsky
    has written, a cruel practice when performed
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    properly. He, along with many activists, argues
    that since the domestication of dogs and cats
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    will not be undone anytime soon, spaying and
    neutering is a better alternative than the
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    current cruel and needless deaths of millions
    of abandoned, unwanted companion animals due
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    to overbreeding.
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    Once again the parallel is by no means ideal,
    as our animal companions have no ability to
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    make this choice for themselves, and spaying
    and neutering prevents a pregnancy while abortion
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    ends one. I present this simply as an example
    of vegans being faced with an ethical ambiguity
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    and supporting the restriction of animals’
    reproductive rights.
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    At the more misanthropic end of the spectrum,
    since humanity continues to murder trillions
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    of innocent beings every year, decimate the
    planet, and grow in population and demand
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    for meat, could it be argued that stemming
    this proliferation at its root would actually
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    be perfectly inline with vegan principles?
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    Any attempt to present a singular vegan view
    on abortion negates the diversity and variance
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    of vegans themselves. Many vegans reject the
    aforementioned “animals vs. humans” dichotomy,
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    seeing human and animal rights as inextricable
    – to be protected and fought for concurrently.
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    Something I personally find fascinating in
    this whole debate is the focus on whether
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    vegans can be pro-choice. With all of the
    uncertainties inherent in fetal pain-perception
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    and sentience and the absolute certainties
    of non-human animal c pain-perception and
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    sentience it’s interesting that the more
    concrete question usually remains unasked:
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    can someone non-vegans be pro-life?
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    As I said in the opener, I’m not going to
    settle the abortion debate, or even the veganism
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    and abortion debate. Even with my attempts
    at simplifications, it’s evident how complex
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    this dialogue can easily become.
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    I’d love to hear your thoughts on the debate
    in the comments below. It’s gonna be fun
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Is Abortion Vegan? | The Pro Choice Dilemma
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