How my greatest escape finally succeeded after 25 years in prison | Laurent Jacqua | TEDxParis
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0:08 - 0:10At a certain time,
a few years before that, -
0:11 - 0:15I was in a gloomy cell,
in the detention center at Fresnes. -
0:16 - 0:18And I was pacing, in the cell,
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0:18 - 0:22because they took away our mattresses,
then, so you had to stand. -
0:22 - 0:25In a corner of the cell,
there are toilets, -
0:25 - 0:29I hear a few bubbles, so I lean over,
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0:29 - 0:31I go over and have a look,
and what do I see? -
0:31 - 0:36I see a rat who sticks his head out,
takes a breath, and goes back down. -
0:37 - 0:40I'm telling you, I didn't go
to the toilet straight away. -
0:40 - 0:45So I said to myself that I was
in quite a difficult situation. -
0:45 - 0:48But as I was alone, in complete isolation,
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0:48 - 0:50I was in in the dark, I saw no-one.
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0:51 - 0:54It had been a few days
since I had spoken to anyone - -
0:54 - 0:57I said to myself,
"I will share my bread with him." -
0:57 - 1:02I put a little piece of bread
beside the toilets. I waited. -
1:02 - 1:04The next day, poof, he had gone.
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1:06 - 1:08Two days later, the same thing.
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1:09 - 1:14Finally the rat started
to get a little bit bolder -
1:17 - 1:21A few days later, there I was,
beside my friend the rat. -
1:22 - 1:25I shared a few little secrets,
and told him a bit about my life. -
1:25 - 1:27And he was listening.
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1:27 - 1:30He was nibbling his piece of bread,
but he was listening to me. -
1:30 - 1:36I was there. I had some company,
I had some support, a sympathetic ear. -
1:36 - 1:37It was great.
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1:38 - 1:41Anyway, I get to the end
of my 45 days of solitary, -
1:41 - 1:44and it's time to leave.
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1:45 - 1:47So we are sitting down, side by side,
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1:49 - 1:52we looked at each other,
we said our goodbyes, -
1:52 - 1:56and I promise you, I saw
a little tear, on both sides, -
1:58 - 2:00and I left solitary confinement.
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2:01 - 2:04I wondered to myself,
"How did I end up here?" -
2:05 - 2:09And the story goes that in December 84,
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2:09 - 2:14I am with a friend, a girlfriend,
my fiancé at that time, -
2:14 - 2:17and I am attacked by eight skinheads.
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2:17 - 2:22Back then, these were violent people,
in fact, they still are, but anyway. -
2:23 - 2:24Unfortunately, I pulled out a gun,
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2:26 - 2:29and I shot, because I thought
they were going to hurt her. -
2:30 - 2:33I shot, and one of them died,
and one was injured. -
2:35 - 2:38Two days later, I am in a prison van,
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2:38 - 2:43on my way to the largest prison
in Europe, called Fleury-Merogis. -
2:44 - 2:48I had never seen a prison, I had
never seen a prison van, nor a cage. -
2:50 - 2:54I didn't know that they locked
human beings in cages. -
2:54 - 2:56It came as quite a shock.
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2:57 - 3:02I wound up in reception,
which is at the center of Fleury-Merogis, -
3:02 - 3:03where new arrivals are processed.
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3:04 - 3:07And that was the the first time
I had to strip in front of anyone. -
3:09 - 3:10First humiliation.
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3:12 - 3:14Next, I go to the registry.
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3:14 - 3:19You hand over your things,
your identity card, etc., -
3:19 - 3:21and you're given a number.
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3:22 - 3:26And this number, you remember
for the rest of your life. -
3:26 - 3:28138496Q.
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3:31 - 3:32Next, you are left in custody.
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3:33 - 3:36What is prison? It is not
only the denial of freedom. -
3:36 - 3:40But it is also misery, it is also
lack of hygiene, lack of care, -
3:41 - 3:47overcrowding, and a whole load
of things which are really inhuman. -
3:48 - 3:49And most of all, violence.
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3:51 - 3:53You walk in, you have
to fight, straight away. -
3:54 - 3:57It is a hard world,
and you have to survive. -
3:57 - 4:00So I am in prison, I start my sentence.
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4:01 - 4:04At that time, it was
the 80s, it was in 85, -
4:05 - 4:10a fairly widespread illness,
is becoming an epidemic. -
4:12 - 4:16So the tests started,
tests to see if you had AIDS. -
4:17 - 4:21And I have a test.
And I find out that I am HIV positive. -
4:24 - 4:25So, not a good start in life.
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4:26 - 4:29From that point onwards,
I have only one thing on my mind, -
4:30 - 4:31and that's to escape.
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4:31 - 4:36Because back then, it was thought you only
had three years or five years max. -
4:37 - 4:39I was obsessed with one thing: to escape.
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4:41 - 4:45So I do four years in Fleury-Mérogis,
then I am transferred. -
4:46 - 4:50I manage to get
a mid-sentence day release, -
4:50 - 4:53because at that time,
I had a ten year sentence, -
4:53 - 4:55and they knew that I had been assaulted.
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4:57 - 5:01I have no hope, I am ill,
I know that I might die tomorrow, -
5:01 - 5:03and I can't bear prison
any longer, the way it is. -
5:04 - 5:07I can't bear the inhuman way
they treat people, any longer, -
5:07 - 5:08so I go on the run.
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5:09 - 5:11On the run, there aren't many options.
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5:11 - 5:15To survive on the run, you need money.
You can't go to work. -
5:16 - 5:19So I start stealing, and I go back
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5:19 - 5:23to doing hold-ups, and I become a raider.
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5:25 - 5:29I get caught, I get another 2-3 years,
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5:31 - 5:34and in 93 I'm released
at the end of my sentence. -
5:35 - 5:38And everything's still the same,
no cure for the illness. -
5:38 - 5:39Prison had really broken me.
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5:39 - 5:45I mean it's a system which makes
you violent, which changes you. -
5:47 - 5:49I am 28 when I finish my sentence.
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5:51 - 5:56And I relapse. I go back
to guns, and to hold-ups. -
5:57 - 6:02I am in a very violent world;
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6:02 - 6:06I get caught in 94.
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6:07 - 6:11And I know that I will go down for years,
and that I will die in prison. -
6:12 - 6:18And because I know
it's the end for me, I go for broke. -
6:19 - 6:229 October 1994, the anniversary
of the abolition of the death penalty, -
6:22 - 6:24I chose this date to escape.
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6:24 - 6:26I get some weapons smuggled into prison,
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6:27 - 6:30I take some hostages,
and I manage to get out. -
6:31 - 6:35I went on a violent rampage.
with armed robberies, hold-ups. -
6:36 - 6:39Finally, in 95, I get caught
by the serious crime squad, -
6:39 - 6:41and they incarcerate me.
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6:42 - 6:45I end up in solitary confinement.
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6:46 - 6:51because I have become dangerous
and a threat to society. -
6:51 - 6:52It's true.
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6:53 - 6:58Five years in solitary confinement,
seeing no-one, for all those years. -
6:59 - 7:00Complete isolation.
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7:01 - 7:04To survive in isolation,
the only solution, -
7:05 - 7:08as there is nothing else, is to read.
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7:09 - 7:10And I discovered literature.
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7:10 - 7:17I started to read, and I found
in the words, a way of traveling -
7:17 - 7:21and of discovering the world,
of which I had been deprived. -
7:23 - 7:26The strength of the words
was something powerful, -
7:26 - 7:32which could take me somewhere,
to escape, actually. -
7:35 - 7:39After these years of isolation,
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7:40 - 7:42in 2000, 1995-2000,
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7:43 - 7:46I am finally released and I'm transferred
to La Santé detention center. -
7:47 - 7:49And when I am there I meet people,
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7:49 - 7:53I touch them, to see
if they are really human. -
7:55 - 7:58I start living again,
and I enroll on some courses. -
7:58 - 8:02Teachers come to the prison.
There is a university, Paris VII. -
8:02 - 8:05There is a section called
the Section for Detainee Students, -
8:06 - 8:07which is for prisoners.
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8:08 - 8:10And there, I come across a teacher,
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8:10 - 8:13a philosophy teacher
called François Chouquet. -
8:14 - 8:19We talk, and he tells me that words
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8:19 - 8:23are more powerful than weapons.
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8:25 - 8:27Obviously I laughed, in the beginning.
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8:28 - 8:30(Laughter)
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8:30 - 8:32He is very nice, but well...
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8:35 - 8:41But I continue studying,
I started to write a little, -
8:42 - 8:46and he made me read
Tolstoy, Céline, Camus, -
8:48 - 8:51"In Remembrance of things past,"
as if that was all I had to do; -
8:51 - 8:55but he gave me something,
it was really a treasure. -
8:56 - 9:00Finally, I started to write,
and I showed him my first script. -
9:02 - 9:03He encouraged me.
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9:03 - 9:06At last, I belonged somewhere in society,
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9:06 - 9:09I existed for someone,
someone read my work. -
9:09 - 9:10I belonged.
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9:11 - 9:15In 2002, I am finally sentenced,
and I get 30 years. -
9:18 - 9:1930 years is a long time.
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9:19 - 9:20(Laughter)
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9:20 - 9:24Enough to read three libraries,
François Mitterand. -
9:25 - 9:28I get 30 years, 30 years.
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9:29 - 9:32To tell you the truth:
when I got the sentence, -
9:32 - 9:34I was transferred straight away
to a high security prison, -
9:35 - 9:40and I tried to escape once more.
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9:41 - 9:42(Laughter)
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9:42 - 9:46I got two more years,
but it was a gamble. -
9:46 - 9:49And because I couldn't bear
to be in this prison, -
9:49 - 9:54I started riots, I set fire
to Clairvaux, it was terrible. -
10:00 - 10:02It was hard to accept
this denial of freedom. -
10:02 - 10:05By then, I had already done
about 20 years in prison. -
10:06 - 10:10Finally, in 2006, I said to myself
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10:11 - 10:14that it was my own harmful thinking
from which I had to escape. -
10:17 - 10:20I had to become someone else,
I had had enough of it. -
10:21 - 10:26In 2006, I end up in Poissy prison.
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10:27 - 10:30And there, I create the first prison blog
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10:32 - 10:35of a detainee, in the Nouvel Observateur.
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10:37 - 10:38The first.
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10:38 - 10:42Today, everyone has the Internet,
but it was me who created the first. -
10:42 - 10:46In my column I described prison life,
everything which I stood for, -
10:47 - 10:49how to fight against a system,
which is destroying us. -
10:52 - 10:54and also the absurdity of this system.
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10:55 - 10:58And other articles:
the disabled in prison, etc. -
11:00 - 11:04Obviously, the prison authorities were
against it since it was against the rules. -
11:04 - 11:07Any communication was forbidden,
unless it was censored first. -
11:07 - 11:09To this day, they don't know how I did it.
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11:09 - 11:14For four years, I got my articles on
the Internet, without them knowing. -
11:16 - 11:20I also met Fabien Marceau, at a concert.
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11:21 - 11:22He comes with his crutch.
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11:22 - 11:25Fabien Marceau, sorry,
I mean Grand Corp Malade. -
11:26 - 11:32I like the fact that because of his words,
because of his Slam a disabled person, -
11:32 - 11:36could stand up and practice his art.
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11:37 - 11:41So you could say that the power
of his words created this miracle. -
11:41 - 11:44No need to go to Lourdes,
he did it with Slam, -
11:44 - 11:47and he managed to make a career of it.
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11:47 - 11:49We became mates, very friendly.
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11:49 - 11:52For me too, writing enabled me,
thanks to my blog, -
11:52 - 11:54to publish my first book.
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11:55 - 11:58I was no longer dangerous, I was a writer.
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11:58 - 12:00and a freelance one,
for the Nouvel Observateur. -
12:01 - 12:04The prison authorities,
looked at me differently. -
12:04 - 12:07"Something strange is happening there."
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12:07 - 12:09"He must be planning another escape."
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12:09 - 12:11(Laughter)
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12:11 - 12:12I promise you it's true.
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12:14 - 12:19I can tell you that they took
my computer, they confiscated it, -
12:19 - 12:25passed it to CLIS,
to see if I had access, etc. -
12:26 - 12:29The prison governor came
to ask me, "Is it really you?" -
12:29 - 12:33"No, it's a lunatic who pretends
to be me, who writes this stuff. -
12:33 - 12:34I promise you."
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12:34 - 12:35(Laughter)
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12:35 - 12:37It happened.
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12:37 - 12:38(Laughter)
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12:40 - 12:47It was through one of my books
that I met a young student. -
12:47 - 12:51We fell in love; with writing,
anything is possible. -
12:51 - 12:54We fell in love,
and after a few months, we decided, -
12:54 - 12:56to have a "visiting-hours" baby.
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12:57 - 12:59Because that's also
part of being human. -
12:59 - 13:03So we made a baby during visiting hours.
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13:03 - 13:07And in March 2008,
my little girl was born. -
13:08 - 13:10(Applause)
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13:14 - 13:17Two days after the birth,
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13:17 - 13:20- because I didn't go
straight away, I couldn't - -
13:20 - 13:21I was in the maternity ward.
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13:21 - 13:23A criminal like me.
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13:23 - 13:27I end up in the maternity ward,
and I go to see my baby. -
13:27 - 13:29They took off my handcuffs.
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13:29 - 13:32There was a window,
and I had a good look, but... -
13:32 - 13:34(Laughter)
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13:34 - 13:36Sometimes it's stronger
than us, but anyway. -
13:37 - 13:41I took my daughter in my arms
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13:49 - 13:51(Applause)
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14:02 - 14:04We called her Tilelli.
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14:04 - 14:06Tilelli means freedom in Kabyle,
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14:07 - 14:11as it was her who managed
to get me out of prison, after 20 years. -
14:13 - 14:19All of that is to tell you,
that I filed a case for parole. -
14:20 - 14:23It took 2-3 years, a rock-solid case,
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14:24 - 14:26because I was a father,
I had responsibilities, -
14:27 - 14:29and at last the sentencing judge,
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14:30 - 14:32seeing that I had already
done 25 years in prison, -
14:32 - 14:34he said, "He must be released,
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14:34 - 14:36because he is a journalist, and a father,
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14:36 - 14:38he has become this, he has become that."
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14:39 - 14:44And I managed to get my university
qualification, from Paris VII. -
14:44 - 14:46(Applause)
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14:51 - 14:53All that was to tell you that today,
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14:54 - 14:57they think that serial offenders
should be marginalized -
14:58 - 15:02that they must take a hard line,
and that they shouldn't be let out. -
15:04 - 15:05But I have proved the opposite.
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15:06 - 15:09Even with my background, it's possible.
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15:09 - 15:10A return to real life is possible.
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15:12 - 15:16And it is possible,
thanks to people and goodwill. -
15:18 - 15:21And finally, in all dictatorships
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15:22 - 15:24the first thing
which goes away is culture. -
15:25 - 15:26It's destroyed.
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15:27 - 15:31Ignorance should even be seen
as a crime against humanity. -
15:32 - 15:35It is through culture,
that I managed to pull through, -
15:35 - 15:38through reading; and with teachers.
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15:39 - 15:41We must encourage this sort of thing.
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15:41 - 15:44I think back to Chouquet's quote,
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15:45 - 15:49who said that the pen
was mightier than the sword. -
15:49 - 15:52It is because of the pen
that my greatest escape succeeded. -
15:53 - 15:54Thank you.
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15:54 - 15:56(Applause)
- Title:
- How my greatest escape finally succeeded after 25 years in prison | Laurent Jacqua | TEDxParis
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
Sentenced to prison for manslaughter at the age of 18, Laurent Jacqua fell into a continuous cycle of armed robbery, prison, and escape, before having a decisive encounter with culture and literature. It was writing from his prison cell that he prepared for his final release.
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