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How my greatest escape finally succeeded after 25 years in prison | Laurent Jacqua | TEDxParis

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    At a certain time,
    a few years before that,
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    I was in a gloomy cell,
    in the detention center at Fresnes.
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    And I was pacing, in the cell,
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    because they took away our mattresses,
    then, so you had to stand.
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    In a corner of the cell,
    there are toilets,
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    I hear a few bubbles, so I lean over,
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    I go over and have a look,
    and what do I see?
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    I see a rat who sticks his head out,
    takes a breath, and goes back down.
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    I'm telling you, I didn't go
    to the toilet straight away.
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    So I said to myself that I was
    in quite a difficult situation.
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    But as I was alone, in complete isolation,
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    I was in in the dark, I saw no-one.
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    It had been a few days
    since I had spoken to anyone -
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    I said to myself,
    "I will share my bread with him."
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    I put a little piece of bread
    beside the toilets. I waited.
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    The next day, poof, he had gone.
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    Two days later, the same thing.
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    Finally the rat started
    to get a little bit bolder
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    A few days later, there I was,
    beside my friend the rat.
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    I shared a few little secrets,
    and told him a bit about my life.
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    And he was listening.
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    He was nibbling his piece of bread,
    but he was listening to me.
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    I was there. I had some company,
    I had some support, a sympathetic ear.
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    It was great.
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    Anyway, I get to the end
    of my 45 days of solitary,
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    and it's time to leave.
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    So we are sitting down, side by side,
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    we looked at each other,
    we said our goodbyes,
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    and I promise you, I saw
    a little tear, on both sides,
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    and I left solitary confinement.
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    I wondered to myself,
    "How did I end up here?"
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    And the story goes that in December 84,
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    I am with a friend, a girlfriend,
    my fiancé at that time,
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    and I am attacked by eight skinheads.
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    Back then, these were violent people,
    in fact, they still are, but anyway.
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    Unfortunately, I pulled out a gun,
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    and I shot, because I thought
    they were going to hurt her.
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    I shot, and one of them died,
    and one was injured.
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    Two days later, I am in a prison van,
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    on my way to the largest prison
    in Europe, called Fleury-Merogis.
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    I had never seen a prison, I had
    never seen a prison van, nor a cage.
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    I didn't know that they locked
    human beings in cages.
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    It came as quite a shock.
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    I wound up in reception,
    which is at the center of Fleury-Merogis,
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    where new arrivals are processed.
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    And that was the the first time
    I had to strip in front of anyone.
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    First humiliation.
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    Next, I go to the registry.
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    You hand over your things,
    your identity card, etc.,
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    and you're given a number.
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    And this number, you remember
    for the rest of your life.
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    138496Q.
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    Next, you are left in custody.
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    What is prison? It is not
    only the denial of freedom.
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    But it is also misery, it is also
    lack of hygiene, lack of care,
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    overcrowding, and a whole load
    of things which are really inhuman.
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    And most of all, violence.
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    You walk in, you have
    to fight, straight away.
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    It is a hard world,
    and you have to survive.
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    So I am in prison, I start my sentence.
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    At that time, it was
    the 80s, it was in 85,
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    a fairly widespread illness,
    is becoming an epidemic.
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    So the tests started,
    tests to see if you had AIDS.
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    And I have a test.
    And I find out that I am HIV positive.
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    So, not a good start in life.
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    From that point onwards,
    I have only one thing on my mind,
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    and that's to escape.
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    Because back then, it was thought you only
    had three years or five years max.
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    I was obsessed with one thing: to escape.
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    So I do four years in Fleury-Mérogis,
    then I am transferred.
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    I manage to get
    a mid-sentence day release,
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    because at that time,
    I had a ten year sentence,
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    and they knew that I had been assaulted.
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    I have no hope, I am ill,
    I know that I might die tomorrow,
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    and I can't bear prison
    any longer, the way it is.
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    I can't bear the inhuman way
    they treat people, any longer,
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    so I go on the run.
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    On the run, there aren't many options.
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    To survive on the run, you need money.
    You can't go to work.
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    So I start stealing, and I go back
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    to doing hold-ups, and I become a raider.
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    I get caught, I get another 2-3 years,
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    and in 93 I'm released
    at the end of my sentence.
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    And everything's still the same,
    no cure for the illness.
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    Prison had really broken me.
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    I mean it's a system which makes
    you violent, which changes you.
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    I am 28 when I finish my sentence.
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    And I relapse. I go back
    to guns, and to hold-ups.
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    I am in a very violent world;
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    I get caught in 94.
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    And I know that I will go down for years,
    and that I will die in prison.
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    And because I know
    it's the end for me, I go for broke.
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    9 October 1994, the anniversary
    of the abolition of the death penalty,
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    I chose this date to escape.
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    I get some weapons smuggled into prison,
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    I take some hostages,
    and I manage to get out.
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    I went on a violent rampage.
    with armed robberies, hold-ups.
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    Finally, in 95, I get caught
    by the serious crime squad,
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    and they incarcerate me.
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    I end up in solitary confinement.
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    because I have become dangerous
    and a threat to society.
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    It's true.
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    Five years in solitary confinement,
    seeing no-one, for all those years.
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    Complete isolation.
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    To survive in isolation,
    the only solution,
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    as there is nothing else, is to read.
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    And I discovered literature.
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    I started to read, and I found
    in the words, a way of traveling
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    and of discovering the world,
    of which I had been deprived.
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    The strength of the words
    was something powerful,
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    which could take me somewhere,
    to escape, actually.
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    After these years of isolation,
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    in 2000, 1995-2000,
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    I am finally released and I'm transferred
    to La Santé detention center.
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    And when I am there I meet people,
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    I touch them, to see
    if they are really human.
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    I start living again,
    and I enroll on some courses.
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    Teachers come to the prison.
    There is a university, Paris VII.
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    There is a section called
    the Section for Detainee Students,
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    which is for prisoners.
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    And there, I come across a teacher,
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    a philosophy teacher
    called François Chouquet.
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    We talk, and he tells me that words
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    are more powerful than weapons.
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    Obviously I laughed, in the beginning.
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    (Laughter)
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    He is very nice, but well...
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    But I continue studying,
    I started to write a little,
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    and he made me read
    Tolstoy, Céline, Camus,
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    "In Remembrance of things past,"
    as if that was all I had to do;
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    but he gave me something,
    it was really a treasure.
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    Finally, I started to write,
    and I showed him my first script.
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    He encouraged me.
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    At last, I belonged somewhere in society,
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    I existed for someone,
    someone read my work.
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    I belonged.
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    In 2002, I am finally sentenced,
    and I get 30 years.
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    30 years is a long time.
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    (Laughter)
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    Enough to read three libraries,
    François Mitterand.
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    I get 30 years, 30 years.
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    To tell you the truth:
    when I got the sentence,
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    I was transferred straight away
    to a high security prison,
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    and I tried to escape once more.
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    (Laughter)
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    I got two more years,
    but it was a gamble.
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    And because I couldn't bear
    to be in this prison,
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    I started riots, I set fire
    to Clairvaux, it was terrible.
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    It was hard to accept
    this denial of freedom.
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    By then, I had already done
    about 20 years in prison.
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    Finally, in 2006, I said to myself
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    that it was my own harmful thinking
    from which I had to escape.
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    I had to become someone else,
    I had had enough of it.
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    In 2006, I end up in Poissy prison.
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    And there, I create the first prison blog
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    of a detainee, in the Nouvel Observateur.
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    The first.
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    Today, everyone has the Internet,
    but it was me who created the first.
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    In my column I described prison life,
    everything which I stood for,
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    how to fight against a system,
    which is destroying us.
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    and also the absurdity of this system.
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    And other articles:
    the disabled in prison, etc.
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    Obviously, the prison authorities were
    against it since it was against the rules.
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    Any communication was forbidden,
    unless it was censored first.
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    To this day, they don't know how I did it.
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    For four years, I got my articles on
    the Internet, without them knowing.
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    I also met Fabien Marceau, at a concert.
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    He comes with his crutch.
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    Fabien Marceau, sorry,
    I mean Grand Corp Malade.
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    I like the fact that because of his words,
    because of his Slam a disabled person,
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    could stand up and practice his art.
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    So you could say that the power
    of his words created this miracle.
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    No need to go to Lourdes,
    he did it with Slam,
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    and he managed to make a career of it.
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    We became mates, very friendly.
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    For me too, writing enabled me,
    thanks to my blog,
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    to publish my first book.
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    I was no longer dangerous, I was a writer.
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    and a freelance one,
    for the Nouvel Observateur.
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    The prison authorities,
    looked at me differently.
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    "Something strange is happening there."
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    "He must be planning another escape."
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    (Laughter)
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    I promise you it's true.
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    I can tell you that they took
    my computer, they confiscated it,
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    passed it to CLIS,
    to see if I had access, etc.
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    The prison governor came
    to ask me, "Is it really you?"
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    "No, it's a lunatic who pretends
    to be me, who writes this stuff.
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    I promise you."
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    (Laughter)
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    It happened.
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    (Laughter)
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    It was through one of my books
    that I met a young student.
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    We fell in love; with writing,
    anything is possible.
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    We fell in love,
    and after a few months, we decided,
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    to have a "visiting-hours" baby.
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    Because that's also
    part of being human.
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    So we made a baby during visiting hours.
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    And in March 2008,
    my little girl was born.
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    (Applause)
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    Two days after the birth,
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    - because I didn't go
    straight away, I couldn't -
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    I was in the maternity ward.
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    A criminal like me.
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    I end up in the maternity ward,
    and I go to see my baby.
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    They took off my handcuffs.
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    There was a window,
    and I had a good look, but...
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    (Laughter)
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    Sometimes it's stronger
    than us, but anyway.
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    I took my daughter in my arms
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    (Applause)
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    We called her Tilelli.
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    Tilelli means freedom in Kabyle,
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    as it was her who managed
    to get me out of prison, after 20 years.
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    All of that is to tell you,
    that I filed a case for parole.
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    It took 2-3 years, a rock-solid case,
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    because I was a father,
    I had responsibilities,
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    and at last the sentencing judge,
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    seeing that I had already
    done 25 years in prison,
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    he said, "He must be released,
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    because he is a journalist, and a father,
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    he has become this, he has become that."
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    And I managed to get my university
    qualification, from Paris VII.
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    (Applause)
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    All that was to tell you that today,
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    they think that serial offenders
    should be marginalized
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    that they must take a hard line,
    and that they shouldn't be let out.
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    But I have proved the opposite.
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    Even with my background, it's possible.
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    A return to real life is possible.
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    And it is possible,
    thanks to people and goodwill.
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    And finally, in all dictatorships
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    the first thing
    which goes away is culture.
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    It's destroyed.
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    Ignorance should even be seen
    as a crime against humanity.
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    It is through culture,
    that I managed to pull through,
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    through reading; and with teachers.
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    We must encourage this sort of thing.
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    I think back to Chouquet's quote,
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    who said that the pen
    was mightier than the sword.
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    It is because of the pen
    that my greatest escape succeeded.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How my greatest escape finally succeeded after 25 years in prison | Laurent Jacqua | TEDxParis
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Sentenced to prison for manslaughter at the age of 18, Laurent Jacqua fell into a continuous cycle of armed robbery, prison, and escape, before having a decisive encounter with culture and literature. It was writing from his prison cell that he prepared for his final release.

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