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Why gender equality is good for everyone — men included

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    I'm here to recruit men
    to support gender equality.
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    (Cheers)
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    Wait, wait. What?
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    What do men have to do
    with gender equality?
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    Gender equality is about women, right?
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    I mean, the word gender is about women.
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    Actually, I'm even here speaking
    as a middle class white man.
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    Now, I wasn't always
    a middle class white man.
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    It all happened for me about 30 years ago
    when I was in graduate school,
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    and a bunch of us graduate students
    got together one day,
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    and we said, you know,
    there's an explosion
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    of writing and thinking
    in feminist theory,
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    but there's no courses yet.
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    So we did what graduate students
    typically do in a situation like that.
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    We said, OK, let's have a study group.
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    We'll read a text, we'll talk about it,
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    we'll have a potluck dinner.
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    (Laughter)
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    So every week,
    11 women and me got together.
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    (Laughter)
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    We would read some text in feminist theory
    and have a conversation about it.
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    And during one of our conversations,
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    I witnessed an interaction
    that changed my life forever.
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    It was a conversation between two women.
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    One of the women was white,
    and one was black.
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    And the white woman said --
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    this is going to sound
    very anachronistic now --
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    the white woman said, "All women
    face the same oppression as women.
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    All women are similarly
    situated in patriarchy,
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    and therefore all women have a kind
    of intuitive solidarity or sisterhood."
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    And the black woman said,
    "I'm not so sure.
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    Let me ask you a question."
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    So the black woman
    says to the white woman,
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    "When you wake up in the morning
    and you look in the mirror,
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    what do you see?"
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    And the white woman said, "I see a woman."
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    And the black woman said,
    "You see, that's the problem for me.
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    Because when I wake up in the morning
    and I look in the mirror," she said,
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    "I see a black woman.
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    To me, race is visible. But to you,
    race is invisible. You don't see it."
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    And then she said
    something really startling.
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    She said, "That's how privilege works.
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    Privilege is invisible
    to those who have it."
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    It is a luxury, I will say
    to the white people sitting in this room,
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    not to have to think about race
    every split second of our lives.
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    Privilege is invisible
    to those who have it.
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    Now remember, I was
    the only man in this group,
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    so when I witnessed this, I went, "Oh no."
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    (Laughter)
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    And somebody said,
    "Well what was that reaction?"
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    And I said, "Well, when I wake up
    in the morning and I look in the mirror,
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    I see a human being.
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    I'm kind of the generic person.
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    You know, I'm a middle class white man.
    I have no race, no class, no gender.
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    I'm universally generalizable."
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    (Laughter)
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    So I like to think that was the moment
    I became a middle class white man,
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    that class and race and gender
    were not about other people,
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    they were about me.
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    I had to start thinking about them,
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    and it had been privilege that had
    kept it invisible to me for so long.
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    Now, I wish I could tell you
    this story ends 30 years ago
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    in that little discussion group,
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    but I was reminded of it quite recently
    at my university where I teach.
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    I have a colleague, and she and I
    both teach the sociology of gender course
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    on alternate semesters.
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    So she gives a guest lecture
    for me when I teach.
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    I give a guest lecture
    for her when she teaches.
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    So I walk into her class
    to give a guest lecture,
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    about 300 students in the room,
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    and as I walk in, one of the students
    looks up and says,
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    "Oh, finally, an objective opinion."
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    All that semester, whenever
    my colleague opened her mouth,
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    what my students saw was a woman.
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    I mean, if you were to say to my students,
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    "There is structural inequality
    based on gender in the United States,"
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    they'd say, "Well of course
    you'd say that.
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    You're a woman. You're biased."
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    When I say it, they go,
    "Wow, is that interesting.
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    Is that going to be on the test?
    How do you spell 'structural'?"
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    (Laughter)
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    So I hope you all can see,
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    this is what objectivity looks like.
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    Disembodied Western rationality.
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    (Laughter)
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    And that, by the way, is why I think
    men so often wear ties.
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    (Laughter)
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    Because if you are going to embody
    disembodied Western rationality,
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    you need a signifier,
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    and what could be a better signifier
    of disembodied Western rationality
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    than a garment that at one end is a noose
    and the other end points to the genitals?
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    That is mind-body dualism right there.
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    So making gender visible to men
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    is the first step to engaging men
    to support gender equality.
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    Now, when men first hear
    about gender equality,
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    when they first start thinking about it,
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    they often think, many men think,
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    well, that's right,
    that's fair, that's just,
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    that's the ethical imperative.
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    But not all men.
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    Some men think --
    the lightning bolt goes off,
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    and they go, "Oh my God,
    yes, gender equality,"
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    and they will immediately begin
    to mansplain to you your oppression.
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    They see supporting gender equality
    something akin to the calvary,
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    like, "Thanks very much for bringing this
    to our attention, ladies,
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    we'll take it from here."
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    This results in a syndrome that I like
    to call 'premature self-congratulation.'
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    There's another group, though,
    that actively resists gender equality,
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    that sees gender equality
    as something that is detrimental to men.
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    I was on a TV talk show
    opposite four white men.
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    This is the beginning of the book
    I wrote, 'Angry White Men.'
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    These were four angry white men
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    who believed that they,
    white men in America,
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    were the victims of reverse discrimination
    in the workplace.
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    And they all told stories
    about how they were qualified for jobs,
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    qualified for promotions,
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    they didn't get them,
    they were really angry.
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    And the reason I'm telling you this
    is I want you to hear the title
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    of this particular show.
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    It was a quote from one of the men,
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    and the quote was,
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    "A Black Woman Stole My Job."
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    And they all told their stories,
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    qualified for jobs,
    qualified for promotions,
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    didn't get it, really angry.
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    And then it was my turn to speak,
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    and I said, "I have
    just one question for you guys,
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    and it's about the title of the show,
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    'A Black Woman Stole My Job.'
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    Actually, it's about
    one word in the title.
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    I want to know about the word 'my.'
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    Where did you get the idea
    it was your job?
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    Why isn't the title of the show,
    'A Black Woman Got the Job?'
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    or 'A Black Woman Got A Job?'"
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    Because without confronting
    men's sense of entitlement,
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    I don't think we'll ever understand
    why so many men resist gender equality.
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    (Applause)
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    Look, we think this
    is a level playing field,
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    so any policy that tilts it
    even a little bit,
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    we think, "Oh my God,
    water's rushing uphill.
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    It's reverse discrimination against us."
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    (Laughter)
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    So let me be very clear:
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    white men in Europe and the United States
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    are the beneficiaries of the single
    greatest affirmative action program
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    in the history of the world.
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    It is called "the history of the world."
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    So, now I've established
    some of the obstacles to engaging men,
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    but why should we support gender equality?
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    Of course, it's fair,
    it's right and it's just.
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    But more than that,
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    gender equality is also
    in our interest as men.
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    If you listen to what men say
    about what they want in their lives,
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    gender equality is actually a way
    for us to get the lives we want to live.
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    Gender equality is good for countries.
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    It turns out, according to most studies,
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    that those countries
    that are the most gender equal
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    are also the countries that score highest
    on the happiness scale.
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    And that's not just because
    they're all in Europe.
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    (Laughter)
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    Even within Europe, those countries
    that are more gender equal
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    also have the highest levels of happiness.
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    It is also good for companies.
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    Research by Catalyst and others
    has shown conclusively
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    that the more gender-equal companies are,
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    the better it is for workers,
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    the happier their labor force is.
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    They have lower job turnover.
    They have lower levels of attrition.
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    They have an easier time recruiting.
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    They have higher rates of retention,
    higher job satisfaction,
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    higher rates of productivity.
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    So the question I'm often asked
    in companies is,
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    "Boy, this gender equality thing,
    that's really going to be expensive, huh?"
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    And I say, "Oh no, in fact,
    what you have to start calculating
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    is how much gender inequality
    is already costing you.
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    It is extremely expensive."
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    So it is good for business.
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    And the other thing is, it's good for men.
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    It is good for the kind of lives
    we want to live,
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    because young men especially
    have changed enormously,
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    and they want to have lives
    that are animated
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    by terrific relationships
    with their children.
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    They expect their partners,
    their spouses, their wives,
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    to work outside the home
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    and be just as committed
    to their careers as they are.
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    I was talking, to give you
    an illustration of this change --
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    Some of you may remember this.
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    When I was a lot younger,
    there was a riddle that was posed to us.
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    Some of you may wince
    to remember this riddle.
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    This riddle went something like this.
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    A man and his son
    are driving on the freeway,
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    and they're in a terrible accident,
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    and the father is killed,
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    and the son is brought
    to the hospital emergency room,
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    and as they're bringing the son
    into the hospital emergency room,
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    the emergency room attending physician
    sees the boy and says,
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    "Oh, I can't treat him, that's my son."
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    How is this possible?
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    We were flummoxed by this.
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    We could not figure this out.
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    (Laughter)
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    Well, I decided to do a little experiment
    with my 16-year old son.
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    He had a bunch of his friends
    hanging out at the house
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    watching a game on TV recently.
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    So I decided I would pose
    this riddle to them,
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    just to see, to gauge the level of change.
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    Well, 16-year-old boys,
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    they immediately turned to me
    and said, "It's his mom." Right?
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    No problem. Just like that.
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    Except for my son, who said,
    "Well, he could have two dads."
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    That's an index, an indicator
    of how things have changed.
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    Younger men today expect
    to be able to balance work and family.
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    They want to be dual-career,
    dual-carer couples.
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    They want to be able to balance
    work and family with their partners.
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    They want to be involved fathers.
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    Now, it turns out
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    that the more egalitarian
    our relationships,
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    the happier both partners are.
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    Data from psychologists and sociologists
    are quite persuasive here.
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    I think we have the persuasive numbers,
    the data, to prove to men
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    that gender equality
    is not a zero-sum game, but a win-win.
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    Here's what the data show.
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    Now, when men begin
    the process of engaging
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    with balancing work and family,
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    we often have two phrases
    that we use to describe what we do.
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    We pitch in and we help out.
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    (Laughter)
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    And I'm going to propose
    something a little bit more radical,
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    one word: "share."
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    (Laughter)
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    Because here's what the data show:
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    when men share housework and childcare,
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    their children do better in school.
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    Their children have lower rates
    of absenteeism,
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    higher rates of achievement.
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    They are less likely
    to be diagnosed with ADHD.
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    They are less likely
    to see a child psychiatrist.
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    They are less likely
    to be put on medication.
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    So when men share housework and childcare,
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    their children are happier and healthier,
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    and men want this.
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    When men share housework and childcare,
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    their wives are happier. Duh.
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    Not only that, their wives are healthier.
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    Their wives are less likely
    to see a therapist,
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    less likely to be diagnosed
    with depression,
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    less likely to be put on medication,
    more likely to go to the gym,
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    report higher levels
    of marital satisfaction.
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    So when men share housework and childcare,
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    their wives are happier and healthier,
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    and men certainly want this as well.
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    When men share housework and childcare,
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    the men are healthier.
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    They smoke less, drink less,
    take recreational drugs less often.
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    They are less likely to go to the ER
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    but more like to go to a doctor
    for routine screenings.
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    They are less likely to see a therapist,
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    less likely to be diagnosed
    with depression,
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    less likely to be taking
    prescription medication.
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    So when men share housework and childcare,
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    the men are happier and healthier.
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    And who wouldn't want that?
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    And finally,
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    when men share housework and childcare,
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    they have more sex.
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    (Laughter)
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    Now, of these four fascinating findings,
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    which one do you think
    Men's Health magazine put on its cover?
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    (Laughter)
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    "Housework Makes Her Horny.
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    (Not When She Does It.)"
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    (Laughter)
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    Now, I will say,
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    just to remind the men in the audience,
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    these data were collected
    over a really long period of time,
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    so I don't want listeners to say,
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    "Hmm, OK, I think
    I'll do the dishes tonight."
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    These data were collected
    over a really long period of time.
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    But I think it shows something important,
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    that when Men's Health magazine
    put it on their cover,
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    they also called,
    you'll love this, "Choreplay."
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    So, what we found
    is something really important,
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    that gender equality
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    is in the interest of countries,
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    of companies, and of men,
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    and their children and their partners,
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    that gender equality
    is not a zero-sum game.
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    It's not a win-lose.
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    It is a win-win for everyone.
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    And what we also know
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    is we cannot fully empower women and girls
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    unless we engage boys and men.
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    We know this.
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    And my position is
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    that men need the very things
    that women have identified
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    that they need to live the lives
    they say they want to live
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    in order to live the lives
    that we say we want to live.
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    In 1915, on the eve of one
    of the great suffrage demonstrations
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    down Fifth Avenue in New York City,
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    a writer in New York
    wrote an article in a magazine,
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    and the title of the article was,
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    "Feminism for Men."
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    And this was the first line
    of that article:
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    "Feminism will make it possible
    for the first time for men to be free."
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Why gender equality is good for everyone — men included
Speaker:
Michael Kimmel
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    Please note that on 2/23/16, the word "CALVary" was changed to "CAValry" in the below subtitle:

    5:28 - 5:33
    They see supporting gender equality
    something akin to the cavalry,

    Thank you,
    Camille

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