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    thank you very much well thank you for
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    coming out on a wet and travel
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    interrupted evening I got on a train at
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    fabricon I was told it was going to go
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    slow took of the danger of floods and
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    thought I wouldn't get here but here I
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    am and what I want to tell you this
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    evening is a story of two narratives
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    about childhood once progressive and
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    positive and the others depressing and
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    negative in 1942 the poet in SCS Sylvia
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    Lind admitted that year that we have our
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    temporary misfortunes but he was
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    confident that the story of English
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    children is a story that moves towards a
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    happy ending try saying that in 2014 no
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    one now imagines that the story of
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    English children is moving towards a
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    happy ending news reporting of the state
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    of childhood is almost uniformly
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    negative children we know we learn our
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    obese children suffer high rates of
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    self-harming and mental illness children
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    are described as couch potatoes slumped
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    in front of screens children suffer from
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    attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
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    children are materialistic hooked on
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    consumerism an alarming number of
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    children's need to be autistic or to
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    suffer from dyslexia and since the 1970s
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    so research shows the world which
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    children explore on their own has shrunk
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    by a factor of nine this is not a purely
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    British phenomenon but according to what
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    we read it's worse in Britain than
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    anywhere else when in 2007 UNICEF did a
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    survey of children in 21 advanced
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    economies you probably know where the
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    united kingdom came 21st
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    and things don't seem to be getting
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    better there was a report last year
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    showing that three-quarters of German
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    junior school children were allowed to
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    travel home from school alone only one
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    quarter or British children in 2006 sue
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    Palmer published the book called toxic
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    childhood our children's he argued are
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    being poisoned not only by the food they
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    eat and the drink they drink but also by
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    the messages they receive and that
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    invite them into a world of consumption
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    and sexualisation so here are the two
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    narratives I want to show how and why
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    Sylvia Lynde was so optimistic in 1942
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    how that optimism survived for another
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    30 years or so after 1942 but then
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    collapsed in the early 1970s to be
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    succeeded by the negative narrative and
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    I want to suggest that the power of
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    these narratives is such that they form
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    a framework within which we fit
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    everything we hear about children and
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    childhood further that we go out to look
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    for facts which will reinforce the
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    narrative so let me start with the
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    progressive narrative it's shaped as a
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    romance that most basic of human stories
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    it starts in the olden times once upon a
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    time a historically unspecific period
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    when children like adults lived in the
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    countryside help their parents around
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    the house in the garden on the farm
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    gradually taking on more responsible
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    roles as they grew older there was no
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    great sentimentality about children life
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    was too hard and demanding for that they
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    were treated so the story claimed as
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    little adults though that phrase i think
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    is an imposition
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    earlier centuries by the 19th century
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    neither families nor society were
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    child-oriented the life course was
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    pictured as a triangle you started at
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    the base of the triangle was a baby
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    climbed up to the height in middle age
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    and then began the descent downwards
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    their childhood a Shakespeare described
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    it consisted of the infant mewling and
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    puking and of the whining schoolboy
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    going unwillingly to school the
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    childhood years were not as they were to
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    become the best years of life this world
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    depicted as stable and hardly changing
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    was according to the narrative disrupted
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    by two forces that came to prominence in
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    the late 18th century the first was
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    romanticism and the second was the
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    Industrial Revolution if we look a
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    little bit before romanticism took hold
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    I think we could argue until the late
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    18th century there were two main modes
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    of child-rearing the first strongest
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    amongst Puritans saw the baby is born in
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    sin the task of parenting was to bring
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    the child to a consciousness of sin and
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    to the means of salvation this was not
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    something that could be left to chance
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    or time children's lives were fragile
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    isaac watts in 1715 in his divine songs
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    attempted in easy language for the use
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    of children taught children to sing this
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    you might just might try and imagine
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    yourself aged about six singing this
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    there is an hour when I must die nor do
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    I know how
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    sunt will come a thousand children young
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    as I are called by death to hear their
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    doom the second mode of child rearing
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    strongly influenced by john locke's 1693
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    some thoughts concerning education place
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    the emphasis on instilling in two
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    children habits and thoughts that work
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    induced to the emergence of rational
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    adults education as far as possible was
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    to be made enjoyable but all to the end
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    of producing the desired adult
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    romanticism in this context was I think
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    revolutionary the child moved center
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    stage and was far from being painted
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    with original sin or as in the Lockean
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    view a mere blank slate TIG Blake's
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    Blake's songs of innocence he has a two
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    day old child talking to his mother I
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    have no I there no name I am but two
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    days old what shall I call thee I happy
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    am joy is my name sweet joy before thee
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    now that may sound very obvious and
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    simple but it is actually I think a
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    totally new way of looking at childhood
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    and it had it that is not a very good
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    reproduction of a famous picture the age
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    of innocence by Joshua Reynolds but this
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    became the template from then onwards
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    for how you would depict children
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    children sitting amidst nature in the
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    country innocent Wordsworth in his
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    enormous Lorraine influential but
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    curiously titled Oh Don intimations of
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    immortality from recollections of early
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    childhood claimed in a phrase which came
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    much mocked later but claimed that
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    babies came trailing clouds of glory
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    from God with our home children will now
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    messengers from God imbued with a
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    sensitivity to nature and an in
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    on morality they could teach adults how
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    to live a good childhood became the
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    foundation block for later life but
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    growing up in this perspective was a
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    process of loss childhood was now seen
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    as the best time of life the life course
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    thereafter downhill childhood they
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    reiterated again and again should be
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    happy is an indication of how pervasive
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    the influence of Romanticism was that in
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    the 1840s Thomas Guthrie a Scottish
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    evangelical minister forgetting about
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    original sin could proclaim that God
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    made childhood to be happy and what was
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    the kind of trigger for him saying that
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    was watching children at play in the
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    grassmarket in Edinburgh which was a
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    extremely poor part of Edinburgh at that
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    time now the other big impact the late
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    18th century was the Industrial
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    Revolution which itself became
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    associated with the exploitation of
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    child labor in factories and mines as
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    Jael and Barbara Hammond put it in the
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    town labourer 1917 I don't think it
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    would have been at all controversial
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    when they wrote it during the first
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    phase of the Industrial Revolution the
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    employment of children on a vast scale
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    became the most important social feature
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    of English life child labor was came to
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    be seen as a denial of childhood as the
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    romantics imagined it Coleridge for
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    example took a leading role in trying to
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    end it and we need to sort to get us a
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    sense of how revolutionary in my view
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    this was to look back to what people
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    were saying in the late 17th early 18th
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    century John Locke had war had wanted
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    all children above three whose families
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    sought relief from the parish to be sent
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    to a working to school a school where
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    they would work too
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    keep Daniel Defoe rejoiced in reports of
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    children of four or five earning their
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    own keep in the textile trades
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    romanticism in combination with evidence
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    of children's working conditions in the
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    Industrial Revolution killed such
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    notions by the 1830s samuel roberts a
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    leading campaigner against the use of
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    boys to clean chimneys was describing
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    how ever a toiling child death make us
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    sad such children it was said were
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    children without childhood childhood now
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    painted in romantic colors for Sylvia
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    Lind in 1942 the story of the industrial
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    age is the story of the martyrdom of
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    children if the progressive story of
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    childhood is a romance the Industrial
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    Revolution was the crisis but a romance
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    has to have a happy ending fortunately
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    for both nation and children rescue was
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    at hand in the story as it was
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    constructed in the second half of the
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    19th century philanthropists Lord Ashley
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    most prominent took up the cause of the
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    children in mines and factories he was
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    the biography of 19 26 foot it our
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    British Abraham Lincoln the Emancipator
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    of industrial England or in another
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    phrase the Moses who led the children of
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    bondage into their Promised Land the
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    Promised Land was in one since childhood
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    more mundane Lee it was school Ashley's
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    concern stretched beyond working
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    children he took up the cause of stewed
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    children who were at the forefront of
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    public attention in the mid-nineteenth
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    century here to school was seen as the
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    remedy first in the ragged schools
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    pioneered in the 1840s and then in a
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    spread of compulsory
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    schooling in a late 19th century and
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    again we have numerous pictures of
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    street children and a street life and of
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    here is the rescue in operations feel
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    like these are the one of Barnardo's
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    faked before and after photos which he
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    used the John raise money even dress up
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    please you would finally still do it
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    that that wasn't pretty miserable
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    circumstances but he had a special model
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    clothing for them and he made them look
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    thoroughly miserable here he is age 14
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    photographed before and after and he'd
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    been rescued in the story of the rescue
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    there was one further element the rescue
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    of children from neglect mistreatment
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    and abuse by adults here the NSPCC
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    founded in 1889 was seen as playing the
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    crucial role the NSPCC was supremely
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    successful in constructing a version of
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    history in which children enjoyed no
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    protection under law and it itself until
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    it itself provided such protection
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    government in harness with
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    philanthropists played a crucial role in
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    the rescue of children it passed factory
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    apps and education acts and what were
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    called children's charters is set up
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    inspectorate's arnold toynbee who was an
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    inspirational figure in setting up the
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    notion of the Industrial Revolution as a
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    social crisis tremble to think what this
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    country would have been but for the
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    factory acts romanticism impact and
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    resonance I think left three lasting
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    legacies first childhood as the best
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    time of life should be prolonged the
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    raising of the school leaving age was
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    the most influential way of doing this
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    starting at ten in 1818 now 18 second
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    children and adults should as far as
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    possible inhabit inhabit separate realms
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    the adult world defined as dangerous for
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    children special spaces should be
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    created for children schools playgrounds
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    and adult spaces such as pubs denied
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    them and third romanticism provided a
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    story a narrative of things getting
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    better and we can see that narrative in
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    place with the reflections on childhood
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    offered on the occasion of Queen
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    Victoria's Diamond Jubilee in 1897 the
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    end of the century and then queen with
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    Queen Victoria's death the romance was
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    now complete children had gone through
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    the crisis of the Industrial Revolution
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    and been rescued for childhood the
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    nation could congratulate itself in 1897
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    w clark hall a barrister who worked with
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    the NSPCC described how when Victoria
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    came to the throne the great juggernaut
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    car of unscrupulous commercialism
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    private greed and domestic inhumanity
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    rolled upon its way with Nanda hinder
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    tracing our way back down the dim
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    avenues of the years we see the white
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    and moldering bones of the child victims
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    which is cruel wheels have crushed but
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    the juggernaut and now in 1897 been
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    halted year by year the number of his
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    victims become more few the shouts of
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    the happy rescue children more loud and
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    more glad happy children themselves led
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    the story in the elementary schools they
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    sang a song entitled o happy English
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    children I found evidence of it both in
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    Durham and in Kent but haven't been able
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    to find the words you can set yourself a
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    task of trying to imagine them if you
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    in the rest of this talk here is how the
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    Scottish Society for the Prevention of
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    Cruelty to Children told the story it
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    comes from sicky sparrows the magazine
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    of the junior branch the League of pity
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    sixty years ago when Victoria came to
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    the throne the children of a nation were
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    in thousands of instances being done to
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    death morally and physically in wretched
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    homes in which they slowly pined and
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    starved to death in factories closely
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    confined and set to watching the droning
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    turning wheels until released sick and
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    faint at night they crept wearily home
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    with no heart to rejoice in their
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    childhood no thought but to rest and
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    were still down in the dark mines
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    underground little helpless naked
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    children toiled in the coal pits think
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    what that must have been new children
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    who loved the bright sunshine and the
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    green fields but the rescue happened and
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    was ongoing since the Queen's accessions
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    city's barrows went on a hundred and
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    seven acts of parliament have been
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    passed relating to child life and child
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    suffering and now you happy children
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    throughout the length and breadth of
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    Scotland we would appeal to you to
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    commemorate the glorious 60 years of our
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    queen by joining the league of pity and
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    so helping to carry on the work for
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    suffering children she has done so much
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    to further and we can see again in the
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    picturing of children the rescue
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    achieved this is kate greenaway sillas
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    tration of hark hark the dogs do bark
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    the beggars have come to town it's set
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    curiously in the countryside there's no
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    town there there's a farmhouse and the
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    beggars us of disappearing into into the
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    background up in the foreground the
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    child safely protected by
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    is a gate and a dog this is how
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    childhood should be enclosed and safe
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    within a garden and here is a picture I
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    take more or less a random from a book I
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    picked up a few years ago called
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    children in art which is one of those
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    books like you have them post cards you
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    can pull out about 50 of them nearly all
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    50 of them for something like this of a
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    child sitting in nature surrounded
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    carefully by animals and this is I think
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    from the amount 19 tens or early
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    twenties so the story is established I
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    think by the turn of 19th 20th century
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    and there was no significant threat to
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    it in the first half of the 20th century
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    rather it became embedded in 1903 the
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    author of a standard textbook h2b
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    gibbons summarized his account in the
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    words only think of the triumph that
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    have been won in this generation for the
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    children of england won for the century
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    2004 and imagine yourself saying that in
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    the interwar years the journalists and
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    suffragist evilyn sharp described how
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    was a young girl in the 1880s sorry she
  • 20:59 - 21:05
    had no idea that she stood at the dawn
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    of a new age that was going to
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    revolutionize all childhood and had done
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    so she thought and for the better in
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    1813 1930 said George Newman chief
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    medical officer in the Ministry of
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    Health lecturing to the shafts with
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    society a society to commemorate
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    Ashley's work could rejoice the one of
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    the darkest chapters of our social
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    history was over the long and shameful
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    story of cruelty and oppression is ended
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    children it was frequently said had a
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    right to health and happiness and
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    increasingly they enjoyed both Sylvia
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    Lind celebrated at achievement in
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    42 drew gress was not confined to
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    Britain the principle behind factory
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    legislation claimed Sydney web in 1910
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    has spread to every industrial community
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    in the old world and the new in the
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    1830s people across the world look to
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    Britain in horror at his use of child
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    labour it had an unenviable not arathi
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    shared only by belgium by the early 20th
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    century it was priding itself on setting
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    the path of progress and a narrative
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    kept going I think just about into the
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    1970s in both national and international
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    level I'll just give you three markers
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    in 1973 two very was well-respected
  • 22:39 - 22:43
    historians Ivy Pinchbeck and Margaret
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    Hewitt published the second of two
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    volumes on children in English society
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    and their second volume started in the
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    18th century and they opened with a
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    chapter entitled childhood without
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    rights and protection children in the
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    18th century described as being little
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    adults they end the volume in triumph
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    with the children act of 1948 it's a
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    story of progress that was 1973 1974
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    Lloyd the modes were crossing the
  • 23:17 - 23:23
    Atlantic here in America edited a
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    influential book called the history of
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    childhood and he argued that child
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    parent-child relations had gone through
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    six stages over time these ones I got at
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    the bottom here the Infanta sidle mode
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    of child rearing was the first the
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    abandonment you just leave your child
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    out to die the ambivalent the intrusive
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    the socialization is getting better and
  • 23:47 - 23:52
    finally in the mid 20th century the
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    helping mode and what he's arguing is
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    that somehow parents of
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    got to a stage when they can actually
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    understand their children can help them
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    and he starts with this famous or
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    infamous statement hits the further back
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    in history one goes that lower the level
  • 24:06 - 24:12
    of childcare the more likely children
  • 24:09 - 24:17
    are to be killed abandoned beaten
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    terrorized and sexually abused there's
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    still optimism and in 1973 also at the
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    world level the International Labour
  • 24:23 - 24:30
    Organization passed its minimum wage
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    convention setting 15 as the age below
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    which no child should work very soon
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    that began to look not only not
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    achievable but perhaps also something
  • 24:41 - 24:45
    that it would not be desirable to
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    achieve that you might in some
  • 24:45 - 24:52
    circumstances be happy to see children
  • 24:47 - 24:57
    below 15 working so what happened in the
  • 24:52 - 24:59
    1970s and 80s or 1974 saw the first
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    sustained attack on the story and what
  • 24:59 - 25:06
    it implied for children John halts book
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    escaped from childhood childhood said
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    halt was portrayed it childhood pub for
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    Holt was portrayed as an institution a
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    kind of prison with powers to lock the
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    young into 18 years or more of
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    subservience e independence and make of
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    them a mixture of expensive nuisance
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    fragile treasure slave and superpet
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    childhood he said goes on far too long
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    what is both new and bad about modern
  • 25:34 - 25:41
    childhood is that childhood are so cut
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    off from the adult world this was the
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    first frontal assault on the image of
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    childhood that had been built up in the
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    19th in the first three quarters of the
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    20th century but it would be naive I
  • 25:52 - 25:56
    think to place too much emphasis on
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    haltingly short-lived movements for
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    child liberation which was some extent
  • 25:58 - 26:04
    inspired by him larger factors were
  • 26:02 - 26:07
    involved in the dismantling of the
  • 26:04 - 26:08
    progressive narrative narrative and its
  • 26:07 - 26:11
    replacement
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    by the one we know today and at route
  • 26:11 - 26:19
    they had little directly to do with
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    childhood the oil crisis of 1973 seems
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    to me the great turning point in the
  • 26:22 - 26:29
    history of the post-war world in the
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    West the moment when optimism about the
  • 26:29 - 26:34
    future shriveled it opened the way to
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    what initially was called the
  • 26:34 - 26:40
    reaganomics what has come to be called
  • 26:36 - 26:42
    neoliberalism the belief in the justice
  • 26:40 - 26:45
    and virtue of the market and the
  • 26:42 - 26:49
    demonization of welfare states as a drag
  • 26:45 - 26:52
    on economic progress and the impact of
  • 26:49 - 26:56
    these developments on children was
  • 26:52 - 26:58
    dramatic in Britain in the 1980s and 90s
  • 26:56 - 27:02
    the proportion of children living in
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    poverty rose from one in ten to one in
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    three a statistic that led easily into a
  • 27:07 - 27:12
    negative narrative that things are
  • 27:09 - 27:14
    getting worse in the developing world
  • 27:12 - 27:17
    and also in the developed world child
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    labor began to increase the facts began
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    to impinge on world consciousness
  • 27:19 - 27:23
    through the pamphlets published by the
  • 27:21 - 27:25
    anti-slavery society between nineteen
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    seventy eight and nineteen eighty eight
  • 27:25 - 27:29
    but there was also work beginning
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    looking at the extent of child labor in
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    Britain in the developed world the
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    transition from childhood to adulthood
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    which in the late sixties and early
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    seventies have become concentrated in a
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    few short years in the late teens and
  • 27:42 - 27:48
    early twenties now stretched out over a
  • 27:45 - 27:52
    decade or more this was largely due to
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    youth unemployment which has dogged the
  • 27:52 - 27:58
    Western world ever since we can see the
  • 27:56 - 28:00
    collapse of the old confidence about
  • 27:58 - 28:02
    quant constituted the proper childhood
  • 28:00 - 28:05
    and about the direction in which society
  • 28:02 - 28:09
    was moving taking shape from the early
  • 28:05 - 28:15
    1980s and the keynote was now not
  • 28:09 - 28:18
    optimism but anxiety within 10 years of
  • 28:15 - 28:21
    John Holt's demand for an escape from
  • 28:18 - 28:25
    childhood Neil postman
  • 28:21 - 28:28
    in 1982 was lamenting the disappearance
  • 28:25 - 28:30
    of childhood his was one of a number of
  • 28:28 - 28:33
    books published around that time and
  • 28:30 - 28:36
    many sins arguing that the barriers that
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    probably properly existed between
  • 28:36 - 28:43
    childhood and adulthood were being
  • 28:39 - 28:47
    dangerously lowered children were
  • 28:43 - 28:49
    ceasing to be children postman had many
  • 28:47 - 28:52
    successes in laments about the
  • 28:49 - 28:55
    undermining of childhood and in
  • 28:52 - 28:59
    campaigns to hold on to it or to bring
  • 28:55 - 29:04
    it back at a quite different level of
  • 28:59 - 29:06
    that of academic history in 1983 Linda
  • 29:04 - 29:08
    Pollack published a book called
  • 29:06 - 29:13
    Forgotten children parent-child
  • 29:08 - 29:16
    relations from 1500 to 1900 and this
  • 29:13 - 29:18
    marker really big change in the view of
  • 29:16 - 29:21
    the past which would generally gone
  • 29:18 - 29:24
    along with the optimistic narrative
  • 29:21 - 29:27
    Pollock ruthlessly dismantled the
  • 29:24 - 29:31
    progressive narrative far from being a
  • 29:27 - 29:34
    hell she said the past was now a country
  • 29:31 - 29:37
    where parents had always done the best
  • 29:34 - 29:41
    for their children Pollock rigorously
  • 29:37 - 29:43
    avoided nostalgia but parents reading it
  • 29:41 - 29:47
    in later twentieth-century membra
  • 29:43 - 29:49
    Pollock stopped in 1900 might well
  • 29:47 - 29:53
    wonder whether 20th century parents were
  • 29:49 - 29:57
    doing as well as their forebears
  • 29:53 - 30:00
    coinciding with this economic historians
  • 29:57 - 30:02
    were dismantling and questioning the
  • 30:00 - 30:04
    Industrial Revolution first of all they
  • 30:02 - 30:07
    they took away the capital letters and
  • 30:04 - 30:08
    then they began to question it all
  • 30:07 - 30:12
    together and began to talk about
  • 30:08 - 30:14
    evolution and more significant for our
  • 30:12 - 30:17
    purposes they quietly dropped child
  • 30:14 - 30:20
    labor from his previous simple position
  • 30:17 - 30:23
    both in academic history and in the
  • 30:20 - 30:25
    progressive narrative and without child
  • 30:23 - 30:28
    labor the progressive narrative was
  • 30:25 - 30:30
    undermined from within
  • 30:28 - 30:32
    many ways i think it was child labour
  • 30:30 - 30:35
    the crisis which had brought the
  • 30:32 - 30:38
    childhood and the rescue which was then
  • 30:35 - 30:44
    described which set the framework for
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    the progressive one and so they began to
  • 30:44 - 30:50
    emerge a new narrative and it's one
  • 30:47 - 30:54
    which people of my generation love to
  • 30:50 - 30:56
    tell we were taught the progressive
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    narrative and we've seen it
  • 30:56 - 31:01
    disintegrates our story begins with our
  • 30:59 - 31:03
    own childhoods in the middle years of
  • 31:01 - 31:06
    the 20th century and ends in the present
  • 31:03 - 31:08
    in our childhoods we say we had freedom
  • 31:06 - 31:11
    to explore our world without constant
  • 31:08 - 31:13
    adult supervision depending on our
  • 31:11 - 31:15
    social background and where we lived our
  • 31:13 - 31:17
    mothers might turn us out of doors after
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    breakfast and tell us not to come back
  • 31:17 - 31:22
    until teatime or we might have the
  • 31:20 - 31:24
    freedom to roam the countryside the kind
  • 31:22 - 31:28
    of Arthur Ransome swallows and amazons
  • 31:24 - 31:31
    charlton no one talked about health and
  • 31:28 - 31:34
    safety or about risk assessment autism
  • 31:31 - 31:37
    dyslexia self-harming attention deficit
  • 31:34 - 31:39
    hyperactivity disorder eating disorders
  • 31:37 - 31:42
    the things parents and children worried
  • 31:39 - 31:44
    about now none of these featured in our
  • 31:42 - 31:48
    lives as far as we knew in those of our
  • 31:44 - 31:52
    parents in these childhoods it's always
  • 31:48 - 31:55
    summer time we had scrapes and box
  • 31:52 - 31:57
    probably some old man sad old man and a
  • 31:55 - 32:01
    MAF exposed himself to us but we took
  • 31:57 - 32:03
    this in our stride I sometimes think we
  • 32:01 - 32:05
    ought to factor in boredom into these
  • 32:03 - 32:07
    stories of our childhood but even that
  • 32:05 - 32:10
    wouldn't alter the overall conclusion
  • 32:07 - 32:15
    our childhoods were happy they were
  • 32:10 - 32:17
    proper childhoods I've come to associate
  • 32:15 - 32:22
    this pessimistic narrative with the
  • 32:17 - 32:24
    Daily Mail in 2006 I was asked to write
  • 32:22 - 32:27
    something for the Daily Mail on the
  • 32:24 - 32:28
    history of childhood a new opportunity
  • 32:27 - 32:32
    of an academic historian to reach her
  • 32:28 - 32:35
    new leadership at about one pound a word
  • 32:32 - 32:36
    with two thousand words to play with it
  • 32:35 - 32:40
    was an offer that was difficult to
  • 32:36 - 32:43
    refuse but I was told
  • 32:40 - 32:47
    little or some way into writing this
  • 32:43 - 32:50
    thing Paul Dacre would take a particular
  • 32:47 - 32:52
    interest in what I wrote and unless I
  • 32:50 - 32:57
    could show that childhood have got worse
  • 32:52 - 33:02
    since the 1950s he wouldn't publish it I
  • 32:57 - 33:08
    did my best but not enough it was
  • 33:02 - 33:11
    archived no I look back on it I think
  • 33:08 - 33:14
    some ways Paul Dacre was quite right he
  • 33:11 - 33:17
    knew exactly what his readers wanted to
  • 33:14 - 33:20
    hear they wanted to have their story
  • 33:17 - 33:25
    confirmed and I was trying to challenge
  • 33:20 - 33:27
    it it could be said that this negative
  • 33:25 - 33:30
    narrative has such a hold on us is
  • 33:27 - 33:34
    actually quite difficult to find any
  • 33:30 - 33:36
    space in which to challenge it few of us
  • 33:34 - 33:38
    here would probably wish to be thought
  • 33:36 - 33:41
    to have a daily male version of
  • 33:38 - 33:46
    childhood that in essence i think is
  • 33:41 - 33:48
    what many of us have the pessimistic
  • 33:46 - 33:52
    narrative gains much of its potency from
  • 33:48 - 33:55
    names the names of children who died
  • 33:52 - 34:00
    through neglect or been murdered or
  • 33:55 - 34:03
    abducted maria colwell killed by her
  • 34:00 - 34:06
    stepfather in 1973 despite in the last
  • 34:03 - 34:08
    nine months of her life 30 complaints
  • 34:06 - 34:12
    about the way her mother and step-father
  • 34:08 - 34:16
    treaty to Jasmine Beckford starved and
  • 34:12 - 34:20
    battered to death in 1984 James Bulger
  • 34:16 - 34:24
    murdered by two other children in 1993
  • 34:20 - 34:27
    Sarah Payne murdered by a pedophile in
  • 34:24 - 34:30
    two thousand Victoria columbia dying of
  • 34:27 - 34:33
    hypothermia in two thousand after months
  • 34:30 - 34:38
    of neglect and abuse madeleine mccann
  • 34:33 - 34:42
    abducted in 2007 Peter Connolly baby p
  • 34:38 - 34:47
    dying in 2007 after neglect by his
  • 34:42 - 34:50
    mother and her boyfriend you can add to
  • 34:47 - 34:54
    the ghastly roll call and it goes on
  • 34:50 - 34:57
    in the negative narrative the world now
  • 34:54 - 35:03
    is far from being a safe place for
  • 34:57 - 35:06
    children in home street school in the
  • 35:03 - 35:08
    institutions often called homes where
  • 35:06 - 35:13
    some children have lived many of them
  • 35:08 - 35:16
    church-run in the BBC or in hospital a
  • 35:13 - 35:20
    story tells us there is danger for
  • 35:16 - 35:23
    children so there are the two narratives
  • 35:20 - 35:28
    the most obvious question to ask of them
  • 35:23 - 35:30
    is are they true I make some attempt to
  • 35:28 - 35:32
    answer that but I want also to consider
  • 35:30 - 35:35
    the implications of narratives of the
  • 35:32 - 35:41
    kind we have both the childhood and for
  • 35:35 - 35:44
    children if we ask are they true the
  • 35:41 - 35:46
    answer has to be I think yes and no take
  • 35:44 - 35:49
    the progressive narrative it's difficult
  • 35:46 - 35:51
    to deny that on key measurements like
  • 35:49 - 35:54
    life expectancy health standard living
  • 35:51 - 35:59
    level of education it was indeed a story
  • 35:54 - 36:02
    of progress even on these issue has
  • 35:59 - 36:05
    however there was a degree of over
  • 36:02 - 36:07
    aching Sir George Newman whom we
  • 36:05 - 36:10
    encountered earlier went to great
  • 36:07 - 36:12
    lengths to deny evidence of children's
  • 36:10 - 36:16
    poor health in the northeast of England
  • 36:12 - 36:20
    in the into warriors similarly the Home
  • 36:16 - 36:22
    Office consistently downplayed the
  • 36:20 - 36:25
    existence of child labour continuing
  • 36:22 - 36:29
    child labour in the first half of the
  • 36:25 - 36:31
    20th century it's when we widened the
  • 36:29 - 36:33
    focus to look at some of the policies
  • 36:31 - 36:35
    set in place for the rescue of children
  • 36:33 - 36:40
    that the progressive story begins
  • 36:35 - 36:44
    seriously defray the NSPCC version of
  • 36:40 - 36:47
    history was I'm afraid false there's now
  • 36:44 - 36:50
    a lot of evidence that the world's
  • 36:47 - 36:52
    protection for children in law before
  • 36:50 - 36:58
    the NSPCC this give you one bit of it
  • 36:52 - 37:04
    the times between 1785 and 1860 I before
  • 36:58 - 37:08
    the NSPCC reported 385 case
  • 37:04 - 37:11
    of child neglect and sexual abuse only
  • 37:08 - 37:14
    seven percent resulting in a not guilty
  • 37:11 - 37:16
    verdict there is considerable evidence
  • 37:14 - 37:18
    of neighborhood sanctions against
  • 37:16 - 37:22
    parents who were perceived to be cruel
  • 37:18 - 37:23
    one magistrate in the 1820s finding
  • 37:22 - 37:25
    there was insufficient evidence to
  • 37:23 - 37:28
    convict someone was up before him for
  • 37:25 - 37:31
    cruelty and abuse looked up into the
  • 37:28 - 37:34
    gallery of the court and said I'm sure
  • 37:31 - 37:40
    you'll know what to do when he leaves
  • 37:34 - 37:43
    the dock and he was attacked but all
  • 37:40 - 37:46
    this was forgotten as a NSPCC version of
  • 37:43 - 37:49
    history took root there were further
  • 37:46 - 37:52
    problems with the rescue narrative for
  • 37:49 - 37:55
    many children being rescued meant living
  • 37:52 - 37:58
    in an institution and we have become
  • 37:55 - 38:02
    very aware of the inhumanity that can
  • 37:58 - 38:03
    reside in institutions other rescue
  • 38:02 - 38:06
    policies were more far-reaching
  • 38:03 - 38:09
    especially the immigration of children
  • 38:06 - 38:11
    overseas to Canada and then to Australia
  • 38:09 - 38:13
    there might be good intentions behind
  • 38:11 - 38:16
    some of these policies but that does not
  • 38:13 - 38:18
    defend them against accusations that
  • 38:16 - 38:21
    they seriously infringe the rights of
  • 38:18 - 38:25
    those children who were emigrated in
  • 38:21 - 38:28
    short the invocation to children to be
  • 38:25 - 38:31
    happy to acquire is evil in sharp-edged
  • 38:28 - 38:35
    the habit of happiness was asking a lot
  • 38:31 - 38:39
    of children who experienced nothing that
  • 38:35 - 38:41
    might make them happy as to the negative
  • 38:39 - 38:44
    narrative there is a gain much truth in
  • 38:41 - 38:48
    it but the negative narrative too has
  • 38:44 - 38:50
    been built on some shaky foundations the
  • 38:48 - 38:53
    thing that strikes me most about much of
  • 38:50 - 38:56
    the so-called evidence is a very basic
  • 38:53 - 38:59
    confusion between a correlation and a
  • 38:56 - 39:01
    calls just to give you an example
  • 38:59 - 39:05
    children who watch a lot of television
  • 39:01 - 39:08
    are rated more materialistic than those
  • 39:05 - 39:11
    who watch less but you can't jump from
  • 39:08 - 39:13
    the correlation to say that it's
  • 39:11 - 39:16
    watching too much television that makes
  • 39:13 - 39:16
    them more materialistic it might equally
  • 39:16 - 39:19
    wear
  • 39:16 - 39:23
    be the other way around or there might
  • 39:19 - 39:24
    be other factors involved and in many
  • 39:23 - 39:26
    cases of this which come up in the
  • 39:24 - 39:29
    research that's been done people almost
  • 39:26 - 39:32
    know the answers to the research before
  • 39:29 - 39:36
    they started and how interesting i think
  • 39:32 - 39:38
    that materialism which you might say is
  • 39:36 - 39:41
    at the heart of politicians appeal to
  • 39:38 - 39:46
    the adult public is thought to be quite
  • 39:41 - 39:51
    unacceptable for children so are there
  • 39:46 - 39:54
    any reasons to be cheerful well when
  • 39:51 - 39:56
    unicef in 2013 published the further
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    study of children's well-being in the
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    richer countries the headlines and
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    articles had in some sense been written
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    before the report emerged we knew it
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    would be bad news the negative narrative
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    demanded that it was in fact even on the
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    most cursory looks better news than in
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    2007 britain had climbed out of bottom
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    place and was now 16th out of 29
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    countries but while grudgingly accepted
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    accepting this most reporting
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    highlighted the negative you wouldn't
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    have known that the report showed
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    improvement as i've shown here a decline
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    in infant mortality decline we're
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    talking about the first decade of the
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    21st century a decline in child poverty
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    levels and then from decent from these
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    figures on with her 4 11 13 15 year olds
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    a decline in the incidence of bullying a
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    decline in the incidence of fighting the
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    decline in drunkenness a decline in
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    cannabis use decline even in being
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    overweight apparently and eighty-six
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    percent asked to rate their lives gave a
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    pretty positive version there's another
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    survey of this the 2006 youth survey of
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    the british household panel survey
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    showed eighty-seven percent of 11 to 16
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    year olds rating their life
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    the whole as happy rather than unhappy
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    nine percent were neutral and only four
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    percent unhappy moving beyond the
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    question of the truth or otherwise of
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    the narratives what are the implications
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    of having narratives of this kind at all
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    in essence it seems to me the new
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    narrative the negative one is as much
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    infected by romanticism as the old at
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    its heart lies a belief in the
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    desirability of the separation and
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    distinctiveness of adulthood and
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    childhood this suggests to me that the
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    power of the narratives as much if not
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    more to do with adulthood as it does
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    with childhood I don't want to explore
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    this little further a few years ago I
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    spent some time on an assessment panel
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    set up by the then department of
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    children schools and families by PI had
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    balls to look at the impact of the
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    commercial world on children's
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    well-being and we were asked to compare
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    the present with the past over the past
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    50 years I was there as a historian was
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    supposed to know that the answer to that
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    and we are urged to look for positive
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    benefits of the commercial world as well
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    as negative ones but of course the panel
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    had been set up precisely because of
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    concern about the negative impact the
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    commercial world and what part of the
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    world I kept asking myself is not now
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    commercial is conceived of as an adult
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    world adults buying and selling as
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    equals but posed the commercial world
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    against children and you are likely to
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    think of advertisers and marketers
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    manipulating children's innocent and
  • 43:25 - 43:30
    naive minds children need to be
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    protected against it if we think of
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    children as obese if we think of them
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    constantly searching inappropriate parts
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    of the internet if we think of them was
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    prematurely sexualized if were bothered
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    by pester power the commercial world
  • 43:41 - 43:46
    surely has much to
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    answer children we might say have a
  • 43:46 - 43:50
    right to a life without any of these
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    things children and I think it's a very
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    telling world as seen as vulnerable
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    adults by contrast also Abby's also
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    searching inappropriate parts of the
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    internet the whole world sexualized and
  • 44:04 - 44:09
    arata sized their insatiable desire for
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    material goods what makes the world go
  • 44:09 - 44:16
    round adults can survive without
  • 44:12 - 44:18
    protection we probably don't much like
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    this adult life where perhaps rather
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    ashamed of it but at least we think we
  • 44:21 - 44:30
    can spare children from it life is
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    downhill we often say that childhood has
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    been shortened that children go up too
  • 44:32 - 44:41
    quickly to historian this looks nonsense
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    on the contrary it's been extended it
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    lasts officially now up to 18 but I
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    think you would have found very few
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    people who had thought it lasted much
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    beyond 10 or perhaps 12 in the 18th
  • 44:54 - 45:00
    century and one sign of the lengthening
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    of childhood is the shift in the cash
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    flow until roughly the mid-twentieth
  • 45:03 - 45:08
    century children typically kept up their
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    earnings to their mothers who gave them
  • 45:08 - 45:17
    back something for spends cash flowed
  • 45:12 - 45:18
    from children to parents would that was
  • 45:17 - 45:19
    still the case some of you may be
  • 45:18 - 45:23
    thinking
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    as many of us know to our cost cash now
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    flows the other way from parents to
  • 45:26 - 45:32
    children and there seems no age at which
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    it will or should end if one sign of
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    being an adult is to be financially
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    independent then children in their 20s
  • 45:38 - 45:45
    and 30s have yet to attain that status
  • 45:42 - 45:47
    but if childhood has been extended it
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    has also been and this will sound a
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    contradiction shortened we constantly
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    hear of children doing things at an age
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    much younger than adults now in their
  • 45:54 - 45:59
    middle age ever did children today may
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    not be able to cross a road on their own
  • 45:59 - 46:05
    but they're integrated into a world of
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    social media fashion and celebrity in
  • 46:05 - 46:10
    ways older people were not what has
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    happened is that the boundary fences
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    between childhood and adulthood those
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    which postman was so worried about
  • 46:14 - 46:19
    coming down having deep broken down
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    so-called adults behave like children
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    and Beth children behave like adults and
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    if we ask why this has happened one
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    answer I think is that the prospect of
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    adulthood is pretty bleak if you find
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    work it differed enough then adulthood
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    means work and we've learned in the last
  • 46:39 - 46:47
    quarter century of it so that work means
  • 46:42 - 46:51
    stress for many work means well life
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    means paid work plus unpaid child care a
  • 46:51 - 46:58
    recipe for even more stress I've heard
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    many people say i had an idyllic
  • 46:58 - 47:06
    childhood i never heard anyone say they
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    are enjoying an idyllic adulthood of
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    course the dilek childhoods a
  • 47:09 - 47:15
    constructions made by adults they're
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    actually pointers to see to how we see
  • 47:15 - 47:21
    the life course narratives make sense of
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    the world but they do not necessarily
  • 47:21 - 47:27
    reflect the world as it is the
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    narratives I've considered are extremely
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    powerful in effect mindsets
  • 47:30 - 47:35
    that can incorporate into the story
  • 47:32 - 47:38
    anything that's thrown at them huge
  • 47:35 - 47:40
    number of adults in 21st century of
  • 47:38 - 47:43
    Britain have bought into the negative
  • 47:40 - 47:46
    narrative and internalized it clinging
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    onto a romantic and idealized view of
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    childhood if there are lessons to learn
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    I think they come from the Scandinavian
  • 47:52 - 47:59
    countries which no one's surprise do
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    well in the UNICEF surveys why first it
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    has something to do with greater
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    equality if you ask why Britain came
  • 48:03 - 48:09
    21st in the 2007 it's worth looking at
  • 48:07 - 48:14
    the country which came 20th which was
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    the United States the US and Britain are
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    on almost every count among the two most
  • 48:16 - 48:22
    unequal societies in the developed world
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    inequality feeds social exclusion and
  • 48:22 - 48:27
    damages children's sense of their
  • 48:24 - 48:30
    well-being and is not only the poor who
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    suffer from this parents are all too
  • 48:30 - 48:35
    we're aware of how their children's
  • 48:32 - 48:37
    future is dependent on school success
  • 48:35 - 48:40
    and of course convey this to their
  • 48:37 - 48:44
    children we want our children to be
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    happy perhaps even more we want them to
  • 48:44 - 48:51
    achieve but second besides being less
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    unequal scandinavia seems to me has a
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    rather different view of children than
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    in britain in britain children are seen
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    as vulnerable basically deficient in the
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    qualities and attitudes that would
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    enable them to survive in the world
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    without adult supervision and
  • 49:08 - 49:15
    helicoptering parents in scandinavia the
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    attitude is more that children are
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    basically competent and could be trusted
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    to be sensible encouraging competence
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    sounds rather unexcited aim for
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    childhood it is at the opposite pole to
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    the romantic conception of child
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    childhood and I think that would be all
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    to the good it might even mean that the
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    issue of childhood became less fruit
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    discussions of it less emotional we
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    might be able to change the narrative or
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    even do without one thank
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