Unlocking penguins' secrets with robots | Yvon Le Maho | TEDxAnnecy
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0:10 - 0:15As you all know, robotics
and artificial intelligence -
0:15 - 0:18are on their way to revolutionize
space exploration. -
0:19 - 0:21We are only at the beginning.
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0:21 - 0:25NASA will soon send this robot to Mars.
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0:25 - 0:29It will not only move around
while reporting exceptional images to us, -
0:29 - 0:32but it is equipped
with an articulating arm -
0:32 - 0:37that will allow us to explore
the origins of life on this planet. -
0:38 - 0:41I think and I will demonstrate to you
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0:41 - 0:45that robotics can also revolutionize
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0:45 - 0:49our approach to life
on our planet this time, -
0:49 - 0:53and especially
in these animal populations -
0:53 - 0:57that I have studied
since the start of the 1970s. -
0:57 - 0:59I am talking about the King Penguin,
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0:59 - 1:03in the southern territories
in the Crozet Islands, -
1:03 - 1:07which we call "the French Galapagos"
and contains around 25 million seabirds. -
1:08 - 1:10So at the core of all studies -
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1:10 - 1:14in particular a study
leading us to discover -
1:14 - 1:20an anti-microbial molecule
in the stomach of penguins -
1:20 - 1:25that enables them to keep
fish intact for three weeks, -
1:25 - 1:27at their own body
temperature of 37 degrees ... -
1:28 - 1:30Have you ever tried to keep fish at 37°C?
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1:30 - 1:33Well, it becomes a terrible
poison after a few days. -
1:33 - 1:36... It enables them to preserve
fish for three weeks -
1:36 - 1:41and to feed their hatching chicks
if their partner hasn't come back in time. -
1:41 - 1:43But I want to talk to you
about another approach, -
1:43 - 1:46through these identifications
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1:46 - 1:53that consists of following the evolution
of their reproductive success and survival -
1:53 - 1:56as indicators of climate change.
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1:56 - 2:01To do so obviously, we need a study
with no experimental bias. -
2:04 - 2:08But it is impossible to know
if the technique used -
2:08 - 2:13to follow them, identify them
and localize them, -
2:13 - 2:15if this technique,
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2:15 - 2:19due to the inconveniences brought
in the penguins' moves in the water -
2:19 - 2:20had any impact.
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2:20 - 2:23In any case, it lasted twenty years.
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2:24 - 2:29And one day. while reading a TV guide,
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2:29 - 2:32I discovered the existence
of this new technique -
2:32 - 2:35commonly used today for dogs and cats:
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2:35 - 2:38the small chip
that goes under their skin. -
2:38 - 2:43It helps vets identify the animal
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2:43 - 2:47by placing an antenna
a dozen centimetres away -
2:47 - 2:51because the problem,
the limiting factor of this technique -
2:51 - 2:56is that identification is done
by using radio frequency -
2:56 - 2:59since there is no battery,
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2:59 - 3:04and this lack of battery is what makes
it possible to have a chip that small, -
3:04 - 3:07about 0.8g for the one we use.
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3:09 - 3:12So of course, we began
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3:12 - 3:16by deploying those chips
among the penguins, -
3:17 - 3:22half of which were already
ringed and the other half were not. -
3:22 - 3:25The result was shocking.
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3:25 - 3:30We were at the beginning of the 1990s
when we started this work, -
3:30 - 3:33and we published it in 2011.
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3:33 - 3:35So it took ten years.
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3:36 - 3:37Now how did we do it?
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3:37 - 3:42We installed antennas
in the earth, at their crossing points. -
3:42 - 3:45The first crossing lets us know
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3:45 - 3:48whether the animal is coming back
from the sea or leaves it's colony, -
3:48 - 3:54the chip being close to the earth
at level with their feet -
3:54 - 3:57precisely for it to be
a short distance away. -
3:57 - 4:01This way, we can follow thousands
of birds without disturbing them, -
4:01 - 4:07except that we equipped a number
of them to study the impact of rings. -
4:07 - 4:12The result of this shocking impact due to
the hindrance of the rings when swimming -
4:12 - 4:16is that when they go away
for 20 days, for example, -
4:16 - 4:19they take on an extra ten days.
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4:19 - 4:21This is a very alarming result
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4:21 - 4:26because it means that their reproductive
success is lowered by 40% -
4:26 - 4:28and their survival by 16%.
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4:30 - 4:34That's why we did the cover
of Nature with commentaries ... -
4:34 - 4:38You can see here the words
chosen by the editors: -
4:38 - 4:40"Marked for life".
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4:41 - 4:43In this case of course,
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4:43 - 4:47the reproductive success that was
followed by numerous colleagues -
4:47 - 4:52around the whole world,
by all the teams including abroad, -
4:52 - 4:56all those results were clearly biased.
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4:56 - 5:02We can't use reproductive success
as an indicator of climate change -
5:02 - 5:05when it is lowered by 40% in ten years.
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5:05 - 5:09Today we do without
since we are using chips instead -
5:09 - 5:16and, at the moment, we are following
18,000 penguins of different species, -
5:16 - 5:19particularly lots of King Penguins,
without disturbing them. -
5:20 - 5:22But I wanted to go even further.
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5:22 - 5:25My ambition was to understand
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5:25 - 5:29how such a colony
of 20,000 couples is structured. -
5:30 - 5:34Obviously it's out of the question to have
a human walk in the colony on foot, -
5:34 - 5:39to come close to each individual
to see if they have a chip. -
5:40 - 5:44So, I had this idea -
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5:44 - 5:47which made some
of my colleagues smile who said, -
5:47 - 5:50"That's just an early retiree's fad,
it will never work" - -
5:50 - 5:54of creating robots to identify them.
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5:54 - 5:59I had to prove them whether or not
approaching the penguins with the robot -
5:59 - 6:02was likely to cause disturbance,
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6:02 - 6:05otherwise it wasn't
worth doing it obviously . -
6:05 - 6:08So to do so, we used
these kinds of watches -
6:08 - 6:10that are used for jogging.
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6:11 - 6:13They measure your heart rate,
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6:13 - 6:18and your heart rate is an
excellent indicator of stress. -
6:19 - 6:22We compared the change
in their heart rates -
6:22 - 6:27when a human approaches them
and when a robot does so. -
6:27 - 6:32The approach lasts 30 seconds,
then the human or the robot stops. -
6:33 - 6:38The increase in their heart rates
with the robot was relatively low: 16%. -
6:38 - 6:41This is exactly the value we see
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6:41 - 6:45when penguins pass through
the colony next to brooders, -
6:45 - 6:47so a minimal disturbance
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6:47 - 6:50since they are defending
their territory, you will see that. -
6:50 - 6:53And as soon as the robot stops,
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6:53 - 6:56the brooder's heart rate comes back down
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6:56 - 7:01to its initial value, its initial
"fluctuation" value we could say. -
7:01 - 7:04Now it is quite different
in the case of a human. -
7:04 - 7:08You can see that their heart rate
increases much more. -
7:08 - 7:13Moreover, it stays
at this very high value -
7:13 - 7:16for the entire time the human is there,
even when he stops moving. -
7:16 - 7:22And you even have to wait for six
or seven minutes after he's left -
7:22 - 7:26for it to get back
to its initial fluctuation value. -
7:26 - 7:31It is due to the fact that,
in contrast with the robot's presence, -
7:31 - 7:35a human even perfectly still,
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7:35 - 7:38creates a reaction
of avoidance in all the penguins. -
7:38 - 7:42They retreat with their egg on their feet,
and that destrutures the colony. -
7:42 - 7:44So it's an enormous stress.
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7:44 - 7:49Imagine in a colony of 20,000 couples,
what that could provoke. -
7:50 - 7:53(Video) (Screams of penguins)
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7:54 - 7:57We were able to start a study
on this King penguin, -
7:57 - 8:01with, as you'll see,
a robot that approaches them -
8:01 - 8:06and causes individuals without eggs
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8:06 - 8:08and so not defending
their territory to move apart. -
8:08 - 8:12In contrast, those who do have eggs -
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8:12 - 8:15you can see a curious little one
following... (Laughter) -
8:15 - 8:17...as the robot progresses -
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8:17 - 8:21those who have eggs
defend their territory -
8:21 - 8:23with their beaks and fins.
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8:25 - 8:28So this will help us -
and we are starting to do this - -
8:28 - 8:31to identify and localize them
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8:31 - 8:35within centimetres, thanks
to an extremely advanced GPS, -
8:35 - 8:41and to know how the animals
are distributed in the colony, -
8:41 - 8:44and so how the colony is structured
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8:44 - 8:49depending on their experience
and their age, -
8:49 - 8:52and this will allow us
to understand for the first time, -
8:52 - 8:54how a colony operates.
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8:54 - 8:56I will show you now
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8:56 - 9:02that when this robot
is equipped with a camera, -
9:02 - 9:06you can easily see
that they defend their territory. -
9:07 - 9:10The feeling of it going faster
although it is the same speed -
9:10 - 9:13is because the camera is on the robot.
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9:13 - 9:16You see, they use their beak -
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9:16 - 9:22this is what causes their heart rate
to increase by 16% - -
9:22 - 9:24to attack the robot.
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9:25 - 9:28Sometimes, it was hard to get through,
so we just built another one. -
9:28 - 9:33It took us a year because we're pushing
the boundaries in miniaturization. -
9:33 - 9:39This new robot being a little smaller
will be easier to move through. -
9:39 - 9:45Let's this robot park itself
near the biologist who is driving it, -
9:45 - 9:49and let's move on to the closest
parent of the King penguin -
9:49 - 9:51that is the Emperor penguin -
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9:51 - 9:57the star of the movie
in "March of the Penguins." -
9:58 - 10:02By the way, it is the same colony
in Adelie Land where the film was shot. -
10:03 - 10:06There, I encountered a problem.
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10:07 - 10:08Why?
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10:08 - 10:13Because the Emperor penguin -
as you may have seen in this movie - -
10:13 - 10:16doesn't try to defend its territory.
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10:16 - 10:19It is an exception in the animal kingdom.
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10:19 - 10:22Most animals,
except some species -
10:22 - 10:25which just happen
to live in cold regions, -
10:25 - 10:28show a behavior of territorial defense.
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10:28 - 10:32So, what happens
is that the Emperor penguins, -
10:32 - 10:36although a lot more powerful
than the King penguin, -
10:36 - 10:38when they notice the robot approaching,
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10:38 - 10:42they recoil because they don't have
this territorial defense reflex. -
10:42 - 10:47They do the same thing
as the Royal penguins you just saw -
10:47 - 10:50on the outskirts of the colony
who moved away when the robot arrived -
10:50 - 10:53but did it because
they didn't have any eggs. -
10:54 - 10:57Why don't they defend their territory?
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10:57 - 11:00In winter, they huddle together.
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11:00 - 11:03This is what enables them
to fast for four months. -
11:03 - 11:09They halve their speed of emaciation
by huddling together. -
11:09 - 11:13And thus - I created some suspense here -
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11:13 - 11:16I'm going to show you
the solution we have adopted ... -
11:16 - 11:19(Exclamations of surprise) (Laughter)
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11:20 - 11:25... by concealing the small
robot in a fake chick. -
11:25 - 11:28Now look at the behavior
of the adult and the chick. -
11:28 - 11:33Not only do they let the robot come close,
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11:33 - 11:37but their movements indicate
that they are singing -
11:37 - 11:41to try to communicate with it.
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11:42 - 11:45And this little chick
can even be part ... -
11:45 - 11:47(Exclamations)
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11:47 - 11:50... of a nursery of chicks.
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11:51 - 11:53But we wanted to go further.
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11:53 - 11:56As a matter of fact,
in the coldest moments in Adelie Land -
11:56 - 12:01in some colonies, the temperature
can go down to 50 °C below zero. -
12:01 - 12:06For the robot to be autonomous
enough during that period, -
12:06 - 12:10we'd need batteries
that are two times its size. -
12:11 - 12:14And with a little chick,
we can only hide a small-sized robot. -
12:15 - 12:19In addition, the artificial
little chick can only be used -
12:19 - 12:21when other little chicks are around.
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12:21 - 12:22(Laughter)
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12:22 - 12:26So, I gave myself another challenge:
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12:26 - 12:30the fabrication of a fake
adult Emperor penguin. -
12:30 - 12:32(Laughter)
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12:32 - 12:36I had proof that we can fool them,
you're witnesses to this. -
12:36 - 12:40But it turned out to be a true
technological challenge. -
12:41 - 12:47Making an upright robot
wasn't an option for us -
12:47 - 12:51as it would fall over straight away -
we have winds of 150 to 200 km/h. -
12:51 - 12:56So the idea was to build
a sliding penguin. -
12:56 - 12:58Although you can't hear it,
there is a sound ... -
12:58 - 13:00(Slight noise)
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13:00 - 13:04There you go! Listen. It is the sound
of the robot sliding on the ice. -
13:05 - 13:09We built a first prototype
with a magnificent costume -
13:09 - 13:14made by the best experts
in the movie industry - -
13:14 - 13:18here you can see the team
of young engineers around me - -
13:18 - 13:21a penguin equipped with crawlers
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13:21 - 13:25since we must move on ice,
on the pack ice. -
13:25 - 13:27We sent it to Adelie Land.
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13:27 - 13:28(Laughter)
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13:28 - 13:31Now the results have been mixed
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13:31 - 13:35because, as you can see,
it arouses curiosity, interest ... -
13:35 - 13:36(Laughter)
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13:36 - 13:39... from the unemployed penguins.
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13:39 - 13:41As for the brooders,
they are still suspicious. -
13:41 - 13:44We have two possible explanations.
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13:44 - 13:47This magnificent costume, in fact,
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13:47 - 13:52does not reflect the image it should
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13:52 - 13:54because they see through
the ultraviolet spectrum. -
13:54 - 13:57Furthermore, the crawlers
make too much noise. -
13:57 - 14:01For two years, we have been
constructing a new robot -
14:01 - 14:04that will have real feathers -
-
14:04 - 14:09we came back with intact corpses
from Adelie Land, found in the colony. -
14:11 - 14:16Taxidermists from the museum
are currently preparing the skin. -
14:16 - 14:17It will have a real feathering
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14:17 - 14:22that will give a true image
in the ultraviolet spectrum. -
14:22 - 14:24It will be able to move its fins.
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14:24 - 14:26It won't have crawlers.
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14:26 - 14:30It will slide on its hull,
as you can see here, -
14:30 - 14:35and the noise of the sliding will mask
the noise of the wheels that annoys them. -
14:35 - 14:39It will have a speaker because it
will communicate with the real penguins. -
14:40 - 14:45You see, while we often oppose
technology and Nature, -
14:45 - 14:50here we have an initiative
in which technological development -
14:50 - 14:54will allow us to better understand Nature
in order to better protect it . -
14:54 - 15:01We are also in the interface
between ethics and science -
15:01 - 15:06since it means developing
our scientific knowledge -
15:07 - 15:09by reducing the disturbance to animals
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15:09 - 15:13that, as you've seen, also reduces
the risks of scientific bias. -
15:13 - 15:15Thank you for listening.
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15:15 - 15:17(Applause)
- Title:
- Unlocking penguins' secrets with robots | Yvon Le Maho | TEDxAnnecy
- Description:
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New technologies are helping us to explore space. Why not use them to understand the world around us as well? Yvon Le Maho is specifically interested in species on our planet that live in extreme cold: the Antarctic penguins. We still haven't been able to determine how their colonies are structured, how they operate, nor how individuals interact with each other. This is because of the disturbance humans cause when they walk in their midst,. So Yvon had the idea of developing robots to study them, a real challenge since sometimes, a good camouflage is needed for the robot to be truly accepted...
The multitude of innovations developed by animals and plants to adapt in the most varied environments on our planet, often in extreme conditions, fascinates Yvon Le Maho. Now 71 years old, he has traveled around the world to study animals in polar as well as in tropical environments. He has launched two big research programs: one on Antarctic penguins wintering in Adelie Land, about 50 years ago, and the other about 20 years ago in Guyana, on sea turtles. These projects are now followed by his students. Since 1990, he has sought to innovate through new technology that enables us to develop our knowledge on animals in their natural habitat, all while reducing human-induced disturbance.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organised by a local community. Learn more at: http://ted.com/tedx
- Video Language:
- French
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