Why there's so much conflict at work and what you can do to fix it | Liz Kislik | TEDxBaylorSchool
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0:09 - 0:15We usually think of conflict as something
that happens between people. -
0:17 - 0:21After all, who's there
when things go wrong? -
0:22 - 0:23People.
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0:23 - 0:27And people can be very annoying.
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0:27 - 0:29(Laughter)
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0:29 - 0:35But they're really just the part
of the story that's easiest to see. -
0:36 - 0:41In almost 30 years of working
with employees at every level, -
0:41 - 0:45from warehouse associates
and service reps to CEOs, -
0:45 - 0:48I've seen over and over what happens
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0:48 - 0:55when we hold the mistaken belief
that conflict would not exist -
0:55 - 1:02if those annoying people
would just get themselves together -
1:04 - 1:06and work things out.
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1:07 - 1:11Unfortunately, when we operate
out of that belief, -
1:11 - 1:15we tend to say and do things
that cause conflict to persist -
1:16 - 1:18and to create even more damage
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1:18 - 1:21to both organizations
and the people in them. -
1:22 - 1:24And that's true
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1:24 - 1:28whether we're talking about businesses
or non-profits, schools, even families, -
1:28 - 1:31and entire societies.
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1:32 - 1:34If we want to solve conflict,
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1:35 - 1:37we've got to do some digging.
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1:37 - 1:43We have to look at the structures
that lie underneath the conflict, -
1:43 - 1:45and I am going to give you an example
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1:45 - 1:50and then five steps that you can take
to fix conflict wherever you are. -
1:50 - 1:53So, a couple of years ago,
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1:53 - 1:58a CEO brought me in
to work with two senior executives. -
1:58 - 2:00I'll call them Amy and Bill.
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2:01 - 2:04And they were locked
in a serious conflict. -
2:04 - 2:10And the CEO described it to me
as a communication problem, -
2:10 - 2:13and it looked something like this.
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2:15 - 2:20Now, I interviewed Amy and Bill,
and they told me a different story. -
2:22 - 2:28From their description, the conflict
actually looked more like this. -
2:29 - 2:32They didn't see it
as a communication problem. -
2:32 - 2:39They saw it as differences
in departmental opinions -
2:39 - 2:42about how the work
should be done in the company, -
2:42 - 2:47based on their beliefs
about each other's functional roles. -
2:47 - 2:52But then I interviewed
Bill and Amy's team members -
2:52 - 2:55and other people in the organization.
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2:55 - 3:01And it turned out that the situation
really looked like this. -
3:02 - 3:09You can see that underneath what looked
sort of like a person-to-person-conflict -
3:09 - 3:11or a departmental conflict,
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3:11 - 3:14we have these deeply embedded structures,
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3:14 - 3:16including everything from company history
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3:16 - 3:21and cultural norms
to work processes and procedures. -
3:25 - 3:31It seems unrealistic to blame individuals
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3:32 - 3:37and to treat them as if they
have sole responsibility for conflict, -
3:37 - 3:43when as you can see, they're really only
the tip of the proverbial iceberg. -
3:44 - 3:48And it also seems unrealistic to think
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3:48 - 3:52that we can come up with simplistic,
interpersonal solutions -
3:52 - 3:56like sending Amy and Bill off
to communication training -
3:56 - 3:59or even to anger management classes.
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3:59 - 4:03No, we have to excavate
what's under the conflict -
4:03 - 4:05and bring it out into the open
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4:05 - 4:08so that we can analyze, understand,
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4:08 - 4:14and begin to resolve the human conflict
that's building on the top. -
4:14 - 4:19And now, I am going to give you five steps
so you can do just that wherever you are. -
4:20 - 4:21Step one:
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4:24 - 4:29We need to rule out
the unfortunate possibility -
4:29 - 4:34that a single dysfunctional individual
is actually the source of conflict. -
4:35 - 4:37I don't mean somebody who makes mistakes.
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4:37 - 4:39I mean someone who's really a danger.
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4:40 - 4:44In organizations, a common example of this
is someone who's a bully. -
4:45 - 4:47Bullies don't have the self-awareness
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4:47 - 4:50to recognize when
they're hurting other people, -
4:50 - 4:55and it's very hard for them to give up
whatever kinds of nasty behavior -
4:55 - 4:57they believe has worked
for them in the past. -
4:57 - 5:02A second common example
of the kind of dysfunctional person -
5:02 - 5:05who can truly be the source of conflict
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5:05 - 5:09is someone who's an incompetent.
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5:11 - 5:13They create a lot of mess.
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5:13 - 5:17They sometimes fake their way into a job,
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5:17 - 5:22and in other cases, you may have seen
people promoted beyond their capability. -
5:23 - 5:27Now, the lucky thing
about workplace conflict -
5:27 - 5:31is that it's completely
legitimate and appropriate -
5:31 - 5:34to screen out dysfunctional individuals
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5:35 - 5:38or to deal with them
through a combination of coaching, -
5:38 - 5:41counseling, and corrective action.
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5:41 - 5:45So once you have dealt with
or screened out your dysfunctional person, -
5:45 - 5:48you can go on to step two.
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5:49 - 5:52And that's asking the right people
the right questions. -
5:52 - 5:56You might think that you should start
with the folks who are in control, -
5:56 - 5:59the people who have power and status,
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5:59 - 6:03but it doesn't work because they're not
close enough to the real action. -
6:04 - 6:11Instead, you need to interview the people
who are experiencing events on the ground. -
6:11 - 6:15And you need a full range
of their opinions -
6:15 - 6:19because even though they'll try
to give you their honest opinion, -
6:20 - 6:24each one by its very nature is incomplete
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6:24 - 6:28because they're bounded
by their individual experiences -
6:28 - 6:29and their perceptions.
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6:29 - 6:34So you need a broad range of views,
and that permits you, -
6:34 - 6:36when you have the full picture,
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6:36 - 6:41to start to see the patterns
and dynamics operating underneath. -
6:42 - 6:45And what kind of questions can you ask?
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6:45 - 6:47Here are some that I like to use:
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6:48 - 6:52Can you tell me what goes right here?
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6:53 - 6:58What's the thing that whenever
it happens, it makes you nuts? -
6:59 - 7:03Is there something that would help you
do your job better? -
7:06 - 7:10Why do you stay if it sounds like
there are so many problems here? -
7:12 - 7:14So let me recap:
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7:15 - 7:18We rule out the dysfunctional individual,
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7:19 - 7:22and then we ask the right people
the right questions, -
7:22 - 7:24and that lets us go on to step three.
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7:26 - 7:30And that's making sure
that everyone is aligned, -
7:30 - 7:34that they have a consistent understanding
of what the goals are, -
7:34 - 7:37who's responsible for which decisions,
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7:37 - 7:38and who does what to whom.
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7:40 - 7:42You would be amazed at
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7:42 - 7:47how many sincere, well-meaning people
can have deep disagreements -
7:47 - 7:49about goals and means,
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7:49 - 7:54including fairly obvious things
like who has budget authority -
7:54 - 7:58and who has responsibility
for which decisions -
7:58 - 8:01and who can take credit for success.
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8:01 - 8:04An example: At one of my client's,
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8:04 - 8:09a senior leader assigned
overlapping responsibility -
8:09 - 8:12for the same turf
to two different executives. -
8:13 - 8:16These two execs and their teams
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8:16 - 8:21fought for an entire year
over who got to call which shots -
8:21 - 8:25and who was going to take the blame
for declining performance results. -
8:25 - 8:28The human resources group came in,
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8:28 - 8:32tried to facilitate a truce,
encourage a better behavior. -
8:32 - 8:35But until the senior leader left
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8:35 - 8:39and the overlapping assignments
came fully to light -
8:39 - 8:41and were completely redefined,
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8:42 - 8:44there was no change.
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8:44 - 8:46Because it's very hard to think
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8:46 - 8:51that just a little good behavior,
pleasantness, trying harder -
8:51 - 8:53is going to make a difference
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8:53 - 8:57when you have two different sets of feet
standing in the same space. -
9:01 - 9:08The fourth step is to find allies
at all levels in the organization -
9:09 - 9:11to help you implement the change.
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9:11 - 9:15Because even if you've ruled out
the dysfunctional individuals, -
9:15 - 9:18and you've asked the right people
the right questions, -
9:18 - 9:21and you've aligned
around the goals and the means, -
9:21 - 9:24if you don't have a critical mass
of participation, -
9:24 - 9:26nothing substantial is going to happen.
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9:27 - 9:28At one of my client's,
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9:28 - 9:33there was a persistent conflict
in the executive team itself. -
9:35 - 9:38I was facilitating a group
of mid-level managers, -
9:38 - 9:41and these people really needed
to get their work done. -
9:41 - 9:47So they were willing to work on
concrete, practical solutions together -
9:47 - 9:49in ways that their bosses were not.
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9:49 - 9:54Over time, we were able to build bridges
across the various departments. -
9:54 - 9:58These allies communicated
the concepts down to their teams, -
9:58 - 10:03and eventually, they were able
to start managing up -
10:03 - 10:07in ways that created
better performance, better productivity, -
10:07 - 10:12and definitely better behavior
even within the executive team. -
10:13 - 10:14And the fifth step:
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10:16 - 10:20Teach new habits for managing differences.
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10:20 - 10:24I've talked about
the problems with structures -
10:24 - 10:27and how you have to recognize them
and what their impact can be. -
10:27 - 10:29But from time to time,
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10:29 - 10:34people do have significant
interpersonal communication problems. -
10:34 - 10:38So it only makes sense to teach
some new techniques and habits -
10:38 - 10:44that can help people
deal with the strong feelings -
10:44 - 10:48and the stressful thinking
that conflict brings with it. -
10:48 - 10:53Here are just a few of the habits
I teach my clients. -
10:54 - 10:57The first one is called
"lizard listening." -
10:57 - 11:03I remind clients that our amygdala,
our ancient lizard brain, -
11:03 - 11:10interprets emotional cues
as if they were present physical danger -
11:11 - 11:14even before we have a chance
to assess what's going on -
11:14 - 11:16or interpret them logically.
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11:17 - 11:21I encourage them to reconsider
what they've just said -
11:21 - 11:25or are planning to say
to their counterpart in conflict, -
11:25 - 11:28and to think about what will happen
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11:28 - 11:33when that counterpart
filters the conversation -
11:33 - 11:35through their lizard brain,
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11:37 - 11:43what misconceptions could come up -
inaccurate, negative beliefs - -
11:44 - 11:48what could be misconstrued -
even perfectly good intentions - -
11:48 - 11:51are there ways to reframe those negatives
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11:52 - 11:58so that the next conversation
can be more persuasive and more positive? -
12:00 - 12:02Then we have the evil-logic check.
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12:04 - 12:09When somebody bothers us,
we tend to think of them as a bad person. -
12:09 - 12:15So when clients complain
about the bad people they work with, -
12:15 - 12:20I ask them specifically
if they think their counterpart is evil. -
12:20 - 12:23And that's the word I use
because it's so strong. -
12:23 - 12:25No, no, they have to step back.
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12:25 - 12:28"She's not really evil;
she's just annoying." -
12:29 - 12:31So then I press a little bit further,
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12:31 - 12:37and I ask, Why would a smart person
do such a stupid thing? -
12:37 - 12:42This leading question
helps people reconsider -
12:43 - 12:47what's really going on
with that annoying person. -
12:47 - 12:48And sometimes,
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12:48 - 12:53in addition to the alternative
explanations for what they meant, -
12:53 - 12:58they can even develop some compassion
for the annoying person's situation -
12:58 - 13:03because after all, when we
label behavior as bad and stupid, -
13:03 - 13:10it is usually coming from some form
of pressure, fear, or threat. -
13:12 - 13:15And then my favorite
are these elephant cards. -
13:17 - 13:23Sometimes, there is something important
and true that needs to be said, -
13:24 - 13:26but it's too uncomfortable.
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13:27 - 13:31Most of us don't want to be the one
to put someone on the spot. -
13:32 - 13:36We don't like to say something
that sounds unkind. -
13:36 - 13:42It can feel like a real risk to put
undiscussable subjects on the table. -
13:45 - 13:49I distribute these elephant cards
at my facilitations. -
13:49 - 13:53When there's something
important going unsaid, -
13:53 - 13:56anybody in the room
can play an elephant card. -
13:56 - 13:59I have clients who are doing
this years later. -
13:59 - 14:02The very act of playing the card
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14:03 - 14:08raises the possibility with other people
who understand the significance -
14:08 - 14:10that you can discuss topics
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14:10 - 14:14which previously
would have been impermissible. -
14:15 - 14:16Okay.
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14:17 - 14:24So, we have ruled out
dysfunctional individuals, -
14:26 - 14:28we've asked the right people
the right questions, -
14:29 - 14:31we've ensured that we have alignment,
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14:33 - 14:37we've looked for allies to help us
implement the change, -
14:37 - 14:39and we've taught some specific techniques,
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14:39 - 14:45so people feel that they have a better way
to communicate with each other. -
14:46 - 14:52Now, let me tell you: Working through
these five steps, it's not easy. -
14:52 - 14:55It takes courage and commitment.
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14:56 - 14:57It takes a little humor,
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14:57 - 15:02and it takes a heap of effort
to get traction on persistent conflict. -
15:03 - 15:10But if we are ever going to help
our schools, our workplaces, -
15:10 - 15:13and our civic organizations
function better, -
15:15 - 15:20if we want to help people make
the real contribution that they can, -
15:21 - 15:24we have to uncover and understand
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15:25 - 15:31what's truly underneath
any conflict in any situation. -
15:31 - 15:37Then we can help people
work together successfully -
15:37 - 15:40for everyone's benefit wherever we are.
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15:40 - 15:42Thank you.
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15:42 - 15:43(Applause)
- Title:
- Why there's so much conflict at work and what you can do to fix it | Liz Kislik | TEDxBaylorSchool
- Description:
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We usually think of conflict as something that happens between people, so when there's conflict at work, we tend to blame the people involved and expect them to straighten things out. But people are just the part of the story that's easiest to see, according to Liz Kislik, a management consultant and business coach. In “Why there’s so much conflict at work and what you can do to fix it,” Liz draws on examples from more than 25 years of working with clients from the Fortune 500 to national nonprofits and family-run businesses such as American Express, The Girl Scouts, and Highlights for Children. She describes the underlying conditions that can lock people into unproductive conflict and shares five steps that will enable people in any kind of organization to identify the underpinnings of a conflict and work through it effectively. Liz's focus is on helping organizations solve their thorniest problems while strengthening their top and bottom lines.
She writes for Harvard Business Review and has taught at Hofstra University and NYU. Her speaking engagements and weekly Workplace Wisdom blog focus on collaboration, managing teams, developing leaders, and improving customer loyalty.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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