How I didn’t become a victim to bullying | Caroline Dean | TEDxQueenstown
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0:20 - 0:22Today, I'm going to tell you my story.
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0:26 - 0:30And it's the first time
I've spoken publicly about it. -
0:30 - 0:33(Applause) (Cheers)
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0:41 - 0:42Thank you.
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0:43 - 0:46And I'm feeling
quite apprehensive about it. -
0:46 - 0:47And, as Mary said,
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0:47 - 0:53it's actually been far more challenging
getting to this point than I had realized. -
0:53 - 0:57I felt fine about it,
until I got to New Zealand. -
0:57 - 1:01And, as the days got closer,
I've got even less fine about it. -
1:06 - 1:08Last month,
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1:08 - 1:12Jeremy Clarkson, who's a Top Gear host,
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1:12 - 1:15punched his producer in the face,
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1:15 - 1:17and he was fired.
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1:18 - 1:21He'd been warned multiple times
about his behaviour. -
1:21 - 1:24In 2014, he was given a final warning.
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1:25 - 1:30One million people petitioned BBC
to have him reinstated, -
1:31 - 1:32but, if you notice,
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1:33 - 1:36the producer is missing
from the coversation. -
1:38 - 1:41We don't know what kind of impact
this has had on him, -
1:42 - 1:46but we do know that Clarkson's fans
have blamed him for this situation. -
1:46 - 1:50He's been relentlessly pursued
on social media. -
1:52 - 1:54The question I ask all of you is:
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1:54 - 1:58who's the victim and who's
the villain in this scenario? -
1:59 - 2:02And just because Clarkson's
popular and famous -
2:02 - 2:04doesn't make what he did right.
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2:05 - 2:08I've always been fascinated
by right and wrong. -
2:08 - 2:10At ten, I wrote a short story
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2:10 - 2:13about what it would be like
to be in solitary confinement. -
2:13 - 2:18I wondered what it would be like to live
in a small cell that I couldn't leave. -
2:18 - 2:23In my 30s, I taught life skills to minimum
security prisoners on day release. -
2:23 - 2:27At university, I studied crime
and criminal justice. -
2:27 - 2:31And some years later, I went to work
in a maximum security prison. -
2:32 - 2:37It was the most interesting
and exciting job I'd ever had, -
2:37 - 2:40but it was also the hardest.
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2:43 - 2:48A coronial report into suicides
of five male prisoners, -
2:48 - 2:49in a four-month period,
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2:49 - 2:53found gross inadequacies in the system.
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2:53 - 2:58The recommendation to change from
warehousing prisoners to rehabilitation -
2:58 - 3:00was why I was employed.
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3:01 - 3:05My role was to develop
pre and post-release programs -
3:06 - 3:11to support long-term prisoners
ready to get back into the community. -
3:11 - 3:15I was full of idealism, ideas and energy.
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3:15 - 3:18And, though I thought I knew
what it would be like -
3:18 - 3:20to work in a maximum security prison,
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3:20 - 3:22I really had no idea.
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3:22 - 3:27It was the most toxic
and boiling system I'd ever worked in. -
3:28 - 3:30I didn't realize it at the time, though,
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3:30 - 3:33but it would redefine my work
from here on in, -
3:33 - 3:36and it opened my eyes
to a world of bullying -
3:36 - 3:40and gave me the idea that we should
be addressing bullying differently. -
3:41 - 3:45While I worked at the prison,
I was bullied every day. -
3:47 - 3:50Some days it was subtle,
and I wondered if I'd imagined it. -
3:52 - 3:55At other times, it was very direct.
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3:57 - 4:00I was accused of trafficking
contraband items, -
4:01 - 4:06I was investigated routinely
for alleged security violations, -
4:06 - 4:10I was verbally threatened,
and I was physically cornered. -
4:12 - 4:17I felt safer in the company of prisoners
than I did with my own colleagues, -
4:17 - 4:22and I built relationships with them
based on respect and compassion. -
4:23 - 4:27They trusted me and,
for the most part, I trusted them. -
4:28 - 4:29By contrast,
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4:30 - 4:33my colleagues operated
as separate individuals. -
4:33 - 4:35Everyone was out for themselves.
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4:35 - 4:40There was zero trust,
and we were pitted against each other. -
4:41 - 4:44When I couldn't summon the energy
to go into the prison, -
4:44 - 4:47I took refuge in my office
outside the prison grounds. -
4:47 - 4:50My resilience lowered -
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4:50 - 4:52pardon me -
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4:52 - 4:54and I was emotionally exhausted.
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4:55 - 4:59I operated in a state
of hypervigilance and fear, -
4:59 - 5:01even when I wasn't at work.
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5:02 - 5:05I expected the worst all the time.
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5:06 - 5:10It affected me, my family
and my relationships, -
5:10 - 5:13and it took over my life completely.
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5:13 - 5:16I worked in the prison for four years,
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5:16 - 5:19and, when I left,
the bullying still didn't stop. -
5:19 - 5:23I continued to tutor prison students
on a voluntary basis, -
5:23 - 5:25and I was falsely accused
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5:25 - 5:29of supplying a prisoner
with the plans to the new prison, -
5:29 - 5:33which, I might add, were freely available
in the public domain. -
5:33 - 5:35As a result,
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5:35 - 5:40I was banned from every prison
in Australia for life. -
5:40 - 5:42When I left the prison service,
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5:42 - 5:46I suffered severe anxiety
and regular panic attacks. -
5:46 - 5:50I was self-destructive, obsessed
with what had happened to me, -
5:50 - 5:52unable to do even the most basic things,
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5:52 - 5:55like shop or pay the bills
or cook for my family. -
5:56 - 5:58I thought about suicide.
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5:59 - 6:03I suffered a complete breakdown,
and was unable to work for some years. -
6:04 - 6:06Though this situation sounds extreme,
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6:06 - 6:09it's actually more common
than you'd think. -
6:10 - 6:14One conversation I had with the director
of the prisons was revealing. -
6:15 - 6:19I expressed concern about noticing
that management were bullying staff. -
6:20 - 6:24He told me that,
as far as he was concerned, -
6:24 - 6:28there was no one being bullied
because no one had reported it. -
6:29 - 6:35Seventy-two percent of employers deny,
discount and defend bullying behaviour. -
6:35 - 6:38The director of prisons
was a case in point. -
6:39 - 6:43Staff told me that being bullied
was common for them, -
6:43 - 6:47but they're adamant that they weren't
going to make a complaint. -
6:48 - 6:51They told me it was a quick way
to end their career. -
6:51 - 6:55One wonders how long
the BBC producer might last in his role, -
6:55 - 7:00and, by the way, his name is Oisin Tymon,
he's 38 and he comes from Ireland. -
7:01 - 7:03Following my prison experience,
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7:03 - 7:06it would have been easy to believe
that people are born bullies -
7:06 - 7:09and deliberately want
to cause others harm. -
7:09 - 7:13Instead, I realized what happened to me
was cultural, not personal. -
7:14 - 7:17I knew that I wasn't
the only one being affected. -
7:17 - 7:20Staff and management
were all products of their environment, -
7:20 - 7:25and, in this environment, it was
normal practice to treat others badly. -
7:25 - 7:28We're all affected by the same system.
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7:28 - 7:31And prisons aren't alone
in creating and maintaining -
7:31 - 7:34a brutal or authoritarian closed system.
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7:35 - 7:37In my professional work,
I've seen a clear link -
7:37 - 7:42between authoritarian management styles,
closed systems and bullying. -
7:43 - 7:46And organizations can
implicitly encourage bullying -
7:46 - 7:48by the practices they normalize.
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7:49 - 7:52If an organization does not
spell out expected behaviours, -
7:52 - 7:56then bullying behaviours
can became accepted practice, -
7:56 - 7:58and all the time I saw this in the prison.
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7:59 - 8:02I saw new employees' behaviour change
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8:02 - 8:05from being respectful
to disrespectful and bullying. -
8:05 - 8:10My focus has shifted to understanding
and preventing bullying. -
8:10 - 8:14I feel compelled to change a system
that allows this harm to happen. -
8:15 - 8:20And the relationship between culture
and the construction of power is crucial -
8:20 - 8:24to understanding how bullying manifests
and becomes entrenched behaviour. -
8:25 - 8:29In workplaces where unequal power
relationships are the norm, -
8:29 - 8:31it's not unusual to find
workplace bullying, -
8:31 - 8:36nor is it unusual to find
passive acceptance of that bullying. -
8:38 - 8:40For me, the way back to health
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8:40 - 8:43was to learn everything
I could about bullying. -
8:43 - 8:45I was determined to make a change
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8:45 - 8:49about how workplace had thought about
and addressed this issue, -
8:49 - 8:54but the information I found
was simplistic and rudimentary. -
8:54 - 8:59For example, the standard response
to the problem of bullying -
8:59 - 9:03is to redefine the problem
so that it becomes easier to deal with. -
9:04 - 9:05Let me repeat that:
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9:05 - 9:10redefining the problem of bullying
makes it easier to deal with; -
9:10 - 9:12for instance,
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9:12 - 9:16labelling a problem between
two people as personality conflict, -
9:16 - 9:19or labelling a person as a bad apple.
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9:20 - 9:24In these scenarios,
we cast one person as the victim -
9:24 - 9:26and the other, the villain,
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9:26 - 9:31and it leads to finding someone is right
and someone is wrong, -
9:31 - 9:35and it never gets to the heart of why
the bullying occurs in the first place, -
9:35 - 9:39and nor does it take into account
the interconnections between people -
9:39 - 9:41and the culture they work in.
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9:42 - 9:44Take Clarkson's example.
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9:45 - 9:49His inappropriate behaviour
had been allowed to continue for years. -
9:50 - 9:54Just warning Clarkson to improve
his behaviour was never going to work. -
9:54 - 9:58I think BBC management needed to spell out
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9:58 - 10:01appropriate behavioural
expectations for Clarkson, -
10:01 - 10:04and, if he didn't behave appropriately,
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10:04 - 10:07then they needed
to call him on it immediately. -
10:07 - 10:11It's an employee's responsibility
to behave appropriately, -
10:11 - 10:13but it's a management's responsibility
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10:13 - 10:18to bring inappropriate behaviour
to an employee's attention -
10:18 - 10:20and, if necessary, provide training.
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10:21 - 10:24This whole situation
could have been avoided. -
10:25 - 10:29Bullying is complex and cannot
be understood in isolation. -
10:29 - 10:32It forms part of
a complex set of interplays -
10:32 - 10:37between culture, people, behaviour
and work practices, -
10:37 - 10:42and the way the pair is constructed
underpins all these relationships. -
10:44 - 10:49I believe we need to develop
a holistic view of the interconnections -
10:49 - 10:54and how they shape and influence
all the people in the conflict. -
10:55 - 10:58Bullying negatively impacts health,
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10:58 - 11:02and has high personal, social
and organizational costs. -
11:03 - 11:07Health impacts can range
from minor to severe, -
11:07 - 11:11and can last long
after the bullying has ceased. -
11:12 - 11:14Unlike physical injuries,
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11:14 - 11:16many impacts of bullying go unnoticed,
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11:16 - 11:21and the longer they go unnoticed
the more severe they become. -
11:24 - 11:28So, if bullying isn't about blame,
what can we do to change this system? -
11:29 - 11:31We currently look for evidence of bullying
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11:31 - 11:36and ask on the balance of probabilities
which scenario is more probable. -
11:36 - 11:39This creates an adversarial position
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11:39 - 11:42and leads to finding someone who's right
and someone who's wrong, -
11:42 - 11:46and it puts the victim-villain
narratives into stage. -
11:47 - 11:50It's blaming and ultimately divisive.
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11:50 - 11:55The process can easily reproduce
the very behaviours it seeks to address. -
11:56 - 12:00Not only does it reproduce them,
but it also reinforces them. -
12:00 - 12:04Many clients have told me that they felt
more damaged by the complaint process -
12:04 - 12:07than the actual bullying incidents,
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12:07 - 12:09and, unlike physical injuries,
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12:09 - 12:12complainants are required
to prove and demonstrate -
12:12 - 12:16their psychological damage
has been caused by the bullying. -
12:17 - 12:19I think we can manage this differently.
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12:20 - 12:24I devised a process that,
rather than finding a villain-victim, -
12:24 - 12:27looks to the culture,
the structural mechanisms, -
12:27 - 12:31the behaviour expectations
and workplace practices, -
12:31 - 12:34and seeks answers from those things.
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12:34 - 12:35It doesn't assign blame,
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12:35 - 12:40and it shifts the focus from the bully
to the bullying behaviour. -
12:40 - 12:42This means that we understand
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12:42 - 12:46the bullying behaviour is a symptom
of a toxic culture as the problem, -
12:46 - 12:49rather than the person as the problem.
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12:50 - 12:53This allows personal blame
to be removed from the equation, -
12:53 - 12:58and replaced with personal accountability
and organizational responsibility. -
13:00 - 13:04Most people develop insight into how
they've blamed someone fairly quickly, -
13:04 - 13:09and they're horrified when they learn
how and in what way they've caused harm. -
13:09 - 13:14In my experience, most people act
from a lack of interpersonal skill, -
13:14 - 13:18a lack of self-awareness
and the inability to self-reflect. -
13:18 - 13:22They don't act from a place
that means to cause deliberate harm. -
13:23 - 13:27My approach moves from an individual
focus to a system's focus, -
13:28 - 13:33meaning responsibility for what is shared
is shared amongst all involved, -
13:33 - 13:37but it also comes from a place
that says bullying behaviour is learned -
13:37 - 13:39and, therefore, can be unlearned.
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13:39 - 13:42The focus is on the whole
of cultural response -
13:42 - 13:47that restores and heals
macro and micro relationships, -
13:47 - 13:50and it needs three
main ingredients to be successful. -
13:50 - 13:55My experience in using this approach
has been encouraging. -
13:55 - 13:58An example of this is an organization
I've been working with. -
13:59 - 14:01Using root-cause analysis,
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14:01 - 14:05I identified three problem areas
in the organization. -
14:06 - 14:08The solutions included:
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14:08 - 14:12new systems developed
to manage and prevent conflict; -
14:13 - 14:18individual conflict coaching
and leadership coaching was applied; -
14:18 - 14:20and teams engaged
in restorative relationship building -
14:20 - 14:23and communication practices.
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14:23 - 14:25After six months,
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14:25 - 14:29I hardly know the place,
and neither did the workers. -
14:30 - 14:35Congratulations must go to my client
and their employees -
14:35 - 14:38for committing to a process
that's a complete paradigm shift -
14:38 - 14:42from the way that they would
normally handle conflict. -
14:43 - 14:47In future, they have the skills,
understanding and strategies -
14:47 - 14:50to effectively address conflict issues.
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14:51 - 14:53Staff and management have changed the way
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14:53 - 14:57that they understand,
see and approach conflict, -
14:57 - 15:03and, even better, conflict is dealt with
proactively and early. -
15:04 - 15:07By removing the blame
and punitive processes -
15:07 - 15:10and replacing them
with a preventative focus, -
15:10 - 15:12the whole organization
is able to build a culture -
15:12 - 15:17that expects and reinforces
respectful behaviour. -
15:18 - 15:21For me, an unintended consequence
of this way of working -
15:21 - 15:26has been that it also changes the way
people see and deal with conflict -
15:26 - 15:28in other areas of their lives.
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15:28 - 15:32My clients tell me that they now
have a transferable set of skills -
15:32 - 15:37that they can use and pass on to others,
especially their children. -
15:37 - 15:42We have an opportunity
to shift from the victim-villain narrative -
15:42 - 15:44and move to a unified system
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15:44 - 15:47that respects all parties
and perspectives. -
15:48 - 15:49Thank you.
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15:49 - 15:51(Applause)
- Title:
- How I didn’t become a victim to bullying | Caroline Dean | TEDxQueenstown
- Description:
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Caroline's story is quite a shock. Her experience is deep and traumatic from time working inside the closed community of the Australian prison system. She talks of the systematic failures to understand the issues, the people that pit one person against another, and the denial, denial, denial. How can such behaviour on this level be ignored? In fact, this type of 'victim' versus 'perpetrator' model is the fundamental problem. Caroline finds clarity and systemises a way to build a culture and systems around this with alarming results.
Caroline is a knowledgeable, skilled consultant and facilitator with a background in criminal justice sociology. She specialises in assisting organisations to develop multifaceted competencies and systems around preventing workplace conflict. She offers organisations an insightful approach into conflict and is committed to building respectful collaboration workplace cultures. She has always been interested by power, how it is constructed, used and misused.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
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- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 16:18
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