GV Face: Happy 25th Birthday, Web!
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time so I'll say it again welcome to GV -
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0:10 - 0:16our weekly video hangout series today we
are celebrating the 25th birthday -
0:16 - 0:20other world-wide-web pretty exciting
that was on Wednesday -
0:20 - 0:23I'm we've got a really all-star
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0:23 - 0:27lineup of guests on today's program
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0:27 - 0:30I'm moving from
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0:30 - 0:35left to right we have Alan M touch very
special guest who is -
0:35 - 0:38I can talk to us about has
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0:38 - 0:42very special opps and
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0:42 - 0:45a arse web browser I
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0:45 - 0:49we have Jeremy Clark in Montreal jeremy
is a technical director at Global Voices -
0:49 - 0:53Josh levy from Free Press
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0:53 - 0:56in Massachusetts nast and renown tabula
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0:56 - 1:00I campaign manager for the web we won
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1:00 - 1:04Creative Commons extraordinaire and
Stevie -
1:04 - 1:08star who is joining us from Berlin
welcome everybody -
1:08 - 1:11i'm too much just start today's
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1:11 - 1:14show by talking a little bit about
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1:14 - 1:21the World Wide Web and the Internet it's
a lotta people think that they're the -
1:21 - 1:23same thing
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1:23 - 1:27when actually that's not quite true
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1:27 - 1:30wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm
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1:30 - 1:34and just ask chair could you break it
down for us -
1:34 - 1:37like I thought that the internet was
invented in the seventies but -
1:37 - 1:41if it's the 25th birthday have the
weapons -
1:41 - 1:44what does that mean okay
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1:44 - 1:48well the best place to start I think is
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1:48 - 1:53the internet who has existed in various
formats -
1:53 - 1:58since the 1970s as he say up but it was
the web that made it really enter our -
1:58 - 1:59homes
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1:59 - 2:02and so understanding the relationship is
important -
2:02 - 2:07so the internet was invented by the US
government in a lot of sense is -
2:07 - 2:12a mix of military in science funding I
that developed the network at the actual -
2:12 - 2:13computers
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2:13 - 2:16that can communicate with each other
over wires -
2:16 - 2:21arm now another related technology that
is -
2:21 - 2:24also comprise that built into the bad
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2:24 - 2:27is called hypertext and that is the
notion -
2:27 - 2:32out documents that can link between each
other immediately -
2:32 - 2:36without having I to go and fetch a
separate document -
2:36 - 2:40arm so there were lots of system since
the nineteen sixties -
2:40 - 2:43that we're trying to implement hypertext
like that to do with an example -
2:43 - 2:47up but all of them where commercial
expensive closed -
2:47 - 2:51and none of them were very popular so
Tim berners-lee -
2:51 - 2:55who is the inventor of the Internet I I
-
2:55 - 2:58though web obviously the World Wide Web
arm -
2:58 - 3:02put those two things together by
building a service that runs -
3:02 - 3:06on top of the Internet and he called it
the World Wide Web -
3:06 - 3:09soul what the World Wide Web is is
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3:09 - 3:12be decentralized hypertext I
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3:12 - 3:16engine that we used I to communicate
between -
3:16 - 3:19computers our web pages so
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3:19 - 3:23what makes up web is three things
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3:23 - 3:27URL's or you our eyes universal Resource
Locator -
3:27 - 3:30which are the addresses we use to find
things on the web -
3:30 - 3:35Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup
Language -
3:35 - 3:39I which is the way that be information
is stored and sent -
3:39 - 3:42so that we can then used browsers to
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3:42 - 3:46view HTML and then all the documents
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3:46 - 3:49can be understood and then also
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3:49 - 3:52they display the links so that the
Hypertext part if it works and we can -
3:52 - 3:54jump around from page to page
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3:54 - 3:59I'm the final part is HTTP which is the
Hypertext Transfer Protocol -
3:59 - 4:04which is the communication method by
which the different computers -
4:04 - 4:07can talk to each other and send be
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4:07 - 4:11I HTML documents back and forth
depending on the URL's -
4:11 - 4:17arm so when he built it there were some
very important things that he built into -
4:17 - 4:17this system
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4:17 - 4:21that didn't exist before and the main
one is -
4:21 - 4:24universal of worship so he always
intended -
4:24 - 4:29that anyone would be able to access
these web pages -
4:29 - 4:32and anyone would be able to add their
own web pages without asking for -
4:32 - 4:33permission
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4:33 - 4:38I with the X very explicit special
condition that anyone can link to any -
4:38 - 4:39other web page
-
4:39 - 4:43without permission previous hypertext
systems -
4:43 - 4:48required that basically for you to link
to me I have to accept that link can -
4:48 - 4:50probably create a link back to you
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4:50 - 4:53and that was the required on the web
which gives us a lot of freedom to make -
4:53 - 4:56the people we who wit wouldn't want us
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4:56 - 4:59to be able to link them for example so
no one can say I'm putting up tree -
4:59 - 5:01content but you
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5:01 - 5:04can't send your readers here because I
hate you et cetera -
5:04 - 5:08are the other one is that you made it
completely completely 3 -
5:08 - 5:12so in the world a mentor in world them
programming -
5:12 - 5:15the most free thing is generally
considered to be the GPL -
5:15 - 5:20open source free software licenses and
Tim berners-lee actually almost use the -
5:20 - 5:24GPL because he wanted that what web
software he was building to be free -
5:24 - 5:28but at the last minute yes he changed
his mind made it call public domain -
5:28 - 5:32because in certain ways the GPL is
actually more respect -
5:32 - 5:35restrictive because it forces other
people like certain commercial actors -
5:35 - 5:37wouldn't have wanted to use
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5:37 - 5:41web technology if it were GPL so he made
a full public domain -
5:41 - 5:45and then from there when I'm to make all
of the standard size -
5:45 - 5:49open and I general and three as possible
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5:49 - 5:53are so that's my extremely brief history
internet if anyone is curious -
5:53 - 5:57he wrote a wonderful book called weaving
the web about his experiences -
5:57 - 6:00as you can see its short and he
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6:00 - 6:04highlighted interesting technical
information in it without -
6:04 - 6:08I'll it being overwhelming it's very
approachable and he's a really -
6:08 - 6:10interesting person ended the book is
much better than his tweets which are -
6:10 - 6:11usually
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6:11 - 6:15in procuring all
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6:15 - 6:19crowded thank coach that's great chair
-
6:19 - 6:23I mean I think that that helps on in
conversations about -
6:23 - 6:27internet policy in Internet governance
there's a lot of emphasis -
6:27 - 6:30on the ability to kinda creepy
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6:30 - 6:34innovate without permission like for
everybody to -
6:34 - 6:37be able to build parks a the web and
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6:37 - 6:42and what you just laid out for us makes
it clear how important -
6:42 - 6:46a web peace up the infrastructure is for
that -
6:46 - 6:51for that capacity to become a real
tangible thing and somebody that -
6:51 - 6:54something that now we can do you know we
don't have to have -
6:54 - 6:58technical expertise to kindness build
our own -
6:58 - 7:02our own spaces there I'm so I'm
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7:02 - 7:06if I can add just one more thing sorry I
as want to give a couple examples the -
7:06 - 7:09things that happen over the internet
that arent to bad -
7:09 - 7:12because that was the actual I miss a
question so -
7:12 - 7:16one example would be torrents where York
the cookie to computers connect to each -
7:16 - 7:17other
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7:17 - 7:20and stream information directly without
any URL's -
7:20 - 7:24being mixed into the process I'm another
one is email at its core -
7:24 - 7:28is its own communication protocol that
doesn't have to use the web although we -
7:28 - 7:29often use
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7:29 - 7:32web sites to access and manage our now
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7:32 - 7:36arm and then another one was the one
right before the web came out -
7:36 - 7:39them a very popular protocol was called
go for which -
7:39 - 7:43people liked and sort it worked like the
where'd you just surf around and find -
7:43 - 7:43things
-
7:43 - 7:47but it actually became commercial right
around the time -
7:47 - 7:51that the web came out so people have
would have had to start paying and -
7:51 - 7:52instead of having to pay
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7:52 - 7:57they switched to using HTTP a shemale
and the world but -
7:57 - 8:00thank you so I want to move to Alan now
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8:00 - 8:04I'm how I couldn't bill the first
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8:04 - 8:06search engine
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8:06 - 8:09and I'm kinda like
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8:09 - 8:13overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy
and nervous -
8:13 - 8:17having apparently speaker her big deal
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8:17 - 8:20I'm salome just I
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8:20 - 8:25you could tell us cuz I think a lot of
people don't know about archie -
8:25 - 8:28on it would be really cool just to hear
about -
8:28 - 8:34E all you sir what you were doing that
made you decide -
8:34 - 8:38should to do this and kinda what it was
like and then -
8:38 - 8:41mean everything you've seen sense
unfortunately -
8:41 - 8:45where time limited but welcome you know
therapy -
8:45 - 8:49well arm I well that was lacking that
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8:49 - 8:5319 I 89 and
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8:53 - 8:59a I was working out as a system and
mentorship therefore I am getting worse -
8:59 - 9:00there's no cracks chips
-
9:00 - 9:04McGill University and I'm I A
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9:04 - 9:08was responsible for getting all software
for one on my responsibilities -
9:08 - 9:12getting software for the faculty and the
students -
9:12 - 9:17are and at that time there it three
major protocols on the internet this is -
9:17 - 9:18pretty where
-
9:18 - 9:21I'll was I world's
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9:21 - 9:25telnet which would allow you to log into
a remote machine -
9:25 - 9:29email I which allow you to communicate
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9:29 - 9:32I with one what we do know 10
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9:32 - 9:36me more machines your and
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9:36 - 9:39FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol
which allowed you to move -
9:39 - 9:43Wow data files or file was from one
which -
9:43 - 9:46one sheet to another and at the time
what we had was -
9:46 - 9:50people had me it remember it was a non
commercial Internet -
9:50 - 9:54time actually commercial traffic was
forbidden on the Internet -
9:54 - 9:57time because it was run by the National
Science Foundation -
9:57 - 10:00was using educational money and
therefore -
10:00 - 10:05other than companies with research arms
like ID and I'll -
10:05 - 10:08and HD and those kinds of things we
didn't have any commercial traffic on -
10:08 - 10:10the Internet which
-
10:10 - 10:13why would a seems kinda amazing to even
think about -
10:13 - 10:17and I so what people who did
-
10:17 - 10:21were out to provide are three states on
your machine -
10:21 - 10:24remember you know at the time a big a
big -
10:24 - 10:29this will be a megabyte you know I'll
and so people would provide -
10:29 - 10:32common a or depositary still
-
10:32 - 10:36that that you could deposit I'm
-
10:36 - 10:40programs that you had written and I'll
data files -
10:40 - 10:44and documents back in stock into the
central repositories -
10:44 - 10:47that will spread around the internet
that other people can then -
10:47 - 10:52you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my
time trying to locate software -
10:52 - 10:56or the information that means that
students in the Faculty are trying to -
10:56 - 10:56find
-
10:56 - 10:59and I got tired and since I'm easy and
the geek -
10:59 - 11:03I A arm I A I
-
11:03 - 11:07automated the process a got instead of
doing it manually -
11:07 - 11:10I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the
middle of the night every night -
11:10 - 11:14and go all index these files
-
11:14 - 11:18now remember all of this was just file
listings it's not like we will it's not -
11:18 - 11:19like a
-
11:19 - 11:22I'll search engine will be today I if
yes -
11:22 - 11:26just I just found it's all it was bonds
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11:26 - 11:29and so what they would do with it would
go out every night -
11:29 - 11:33yes all the file names and all the
repositories allow you to search -
11:33 - 11:37those lists a plummets I only used it
for myself -
11:37 - 11:40I only used it I'm for my own
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11:40 - 11:45for my own personal use on at one point
my eyeballs was also -
11:45 - 11:48all students at your grad student at
University I'll -
11:48 - 11:51let peter deutsch lettin you know that
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11:51 - 11:55I'm somebody was asking for you know to
date could -
11:55 - 11:58somebody tell them where arm
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11:58 - 12:02emails pretty creepy software was and
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12:02 - 12:07I we from we see
-
12:07 - 12:10you know he came in ASCII you at this
database iniki mostly -
12:10 - 12:14if I I could help out tonight gave it to
him in it you know -
12:14 - 12:18Pakistan pack a minute later I had the
information and so he put this -
12:18 - 12:21yeah posting online and I'll
-
12:21 - 12:24people then started asking well you know
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12:24 - 12:28can you find this from Ian in all these
manual request -
12:28 - 12:32basically either through email or Usenet
postings which is what we're using -
12:32 - 12:36time and he thought was a silly that's
not quite doing these things manually -
12:36 - 12:38one week just allow people access
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12:38 - 12:43to the database itself and in a moment
of insanity -
12:43 - 12:47I we have to come up with a name for it
and I said okay well let's just call it -
12:47 - 12:52archie which is our client without be
and dad are -
12:52 - 12:55and with a no vote so out both here for
months -
12:55 - 13:00we were consuming what's happened all
high quality traffic to Eastern Canada -
13:00 - 13:04on as this search engine became his
people -
13:04 - 13:08you know work now I you you know people
who know RGR -
13:08 - 13:13generally people up a certain age I
won't mention what what ages but -
13:13 - 13:18and it's generally people who were in
university or working -
13:18 - 13:22on the internet so it would have been
researched people people in academia -
13:22 - 13:25I in the early 90s orgiastic for
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13:25 - 13:29about I am a.m.
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13:29 - 13:32five years for five years %uh and
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13:32 - 13:35only in next st PE archives it never
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13:35 - 13:39I'll index where now I went on
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13:39 - 13:44as or TJ popular and I got one ball in
the standards policies not gonna stop I -
13:44 - 13:45worked
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13:45 - 13:48of very closely with Tim berners-lee to
I am -
13:48 - 13:51to standardize for example I did the and
Graham -
13:51 - 13:56media the standard-setting body to the
Internet DCI 88 -
13:56 - 13:59I to standardize URL's because
-
13:59 - 14:0310 had come up with a set of above rules
the world and the -
14:03 - 14:06as me looked at expanding that's larger
range -
14:06 - 14:10out %uh resources we realize that what
rules did not -
14:10 - 14:13on a ver all cases so we worked
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14:13 - 14:17for our 10 brought that specification
his original specification to the -
14:17 - 14:21to group and we worked on it for I don't
remember -
14:21 - 14:25might not see a year or so it come up
with a standard for you or else so all -
14:25 - 14:27of those you're also use
-
14:27 - 14:30day in and day out world were
standardized as a result -
14:30 - 14:35all what many so it was I it was a
really exciting time -
14:35 - 14:39it was at time out by you know the
question I always get is why did -
14:39 - 14:43I make a billion dollars of a bit and I
keep reminding people that -
14:43 - 14:46are mostly people who are pioneers with
the accepted Mr -
14:46 - 14:49edmark and Jason arm or
-
14:49 - 14:53didn't make a whole lot of money off
with the squirrel -
14:53 - 14:57the switch in the plains we were working
in an environment which -
14:57 - 15:00I'll put a premium on I'll
-
15:00 - 15:04you're getting the technology out there
making it is widely available as -
15:04 - 15:05possible
-
15:05 - 15:09I tens big coup with Sharon which is the
-
15:09 - 15:12organization that work for when we first
develop where -
15:12 - 15:15was two guests earned to put I'll
-
15:15 - 15:19the the HDD where software that he
agreed -
15:19 - 15:22into the public to me all so it wasn't
even choose to give away -
15:22 - 15:26it was surgeons property as it as an
employee -
15:26 - 15:30he it was actually belong to Sir and
down -
15:30 - 15:34I she he actually convince them to be
able to -
15:34 - 15:38but in the public domain what's what
really all -
15:38 - 15:4117 Center with a firearm with the whole
-
15:41 - 15:44so I'll at the time the the
-
15:44 - 15:48philosophy behind it it's really let's
get this out there this is a brave new -
15:48 - 15:52world we don't know what's what all this
technology can be used for -
15:52 - 15:56I don't think any of us including 10
imagine what it would become -
15:56 - 16:00a you know he he always had a much
grander vision a bit -
16:00 - 16:05but I don't I I can guarantee you I
spent many many many many in our -
16:05 - 16:09and I with David sandbar is changing it
then and I can't guarantee you that -
16:09 - 16:12he did not suit anymore certain
-
16:12 - 16:15I'm I should dare and
-
16:15 - 16:19you know he even he I don't think having
idea that it would -
16:19 - 16:23a CD take over the world attack the
world's population will be using this -
16:23 - 16:24system or
-
16:24 - 16:29he created twenty years later to anybody
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16:29 - 16:32or thank you so much I mean so
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16:32 - 16:36speaking and threats yeah it has I'm
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16:36 - 16:39changed and I guess
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16:39 - 16:43taken over in a way I that me
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16:43 - 16:46that mean I'm sure wouldn't have
expected a -
16:46 - 16:49I wanted to now move to Josh
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16:49 - 16:53and judge were not I'll cool are both
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16:53 - 16:56perini I'll who
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16:56 - 17:00very committed involves
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17:00 - 17:04leaders and what is now become
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17:04 - 17:08a global at for two
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17:08 - 17:12mean the way it was surprising in to
save the Internet or preserve and -
17:12 - 17:13protect
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17:13 - 17:16to open this on and all up to
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17:16 - 17:20right to tree expression access
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17:20 - 17:23on and up also privacy that have
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17:23 - 17:27that me all would feel are embedded
actually -
17:27 - 17:30in the way that it was bill so
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17:30 - 17:35Josh I wonder if you could explain to us
really briefly what -
17:35 - 17:39your where your role is in your
organization and then also -
17:39 - 17:44on tell us about the web we want
campaign -
17:44 - 17:48and explain you know how you think this
-
17:48 - 17:52rights movement is is shaping up and
-
17:52 - 17:56and if you can kinda link it with
everything that Allen just laid out for -
17:56 - 17:56us
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17:56 - 18:00out to be really wonderful although my
best so -
18:00 - 18:04my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press
where -
18:04 - 18:09us-based organization we advocate for
-
18:09 - 18:13better technology media policy that
allows -
18:13 - 18:16or an open Internet or better
representation -
18:16 - 18:19people in the media including in and an
immediate -
18:19 - 18:22thats online and for open access
-
18:22 - 18:26information and this Asian ever talk
method -
18:26 - 18:30anniversary at the web has really
central to our work because we've been -
18:30 - 18:31fighting
-
18:31 - 18:34for example to you at past
-
18:34 - 18:38strong mentality policies here in the US
for years -
18:38 - 18:42at basically ever since the issue first
came up with the mid 2000's -
18:42 - 18:45missile big internet service providers
blocking -
18:45 - 18:48trafficking coming from their
destinations and -
18:48 - 18:52that fight is ongoing the FCC to better
communications commission here in the US -
18:52 - 18:53which
-
18:53 - 18:57is charged with overseeing
communications and technology policy -
18:57 - 19:02past rules in 2010 they were intended to
protect me chali but we're passing our -
19:02 - 19:06in a way that we knew what was gonna
hold up in court -
19:06 - 19:10anywhere as unfortunately we saw that
-
19:10 - 19:14happened earlier this year when I court
in Washington DC -
19:14 - 19:17throughout those roles effectively
throwing out any net neutrality -
19:17 - 19:18protections that people have
-
19:18 - 19:22and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy
were saying -
19:22 - 19:25the internet versus the web right so
when we're talking about net neutrality -
19:25 - 19:26which I have a lot of people
-
19:26 - 19:29heard about this on Sat that you should
be able to access -
19:29 - 19:33any information on why online without
anybody getting in the way -
19:33 - 19:37out with it that's a big company or the
government -
19:37 - 19:40an that is essentially
-
19:40 - 19:45that's it a policy that applies to the
Internet to the ways in which all are -
19:45 - 19:48computers connect with each other and we
have this basic understanding -
19:48 - 19:53that the internet should be reno it
meaning that my computer should be able -
19:53 - 19:57next yours into this well networked
computers without any entity -
19:57 - 20:01inspecting the traffic trying to
understand what you're trying to access -
20:01 - 20:05and based on that are in a blog so it
doesn't like the video watching slowing -
20:05 - 20:06it down our
-
20:06 - 20:11denied application using walking it that
that should be totally unacceptable we -
20:11 - 20:12should be able to net
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20:12 - 20:16to whatever we want in whatever way we
want and that includes using the web -
20:16 - 20:17rights to the web
-
20:17 - 20:21is basically an application that ride
over the Internet -
20:21 - 20:24the internet says global network the
weather is just one application that -
20:24 - 20:25uses that
-
20:25 - 20:29or network and so it is essential net
challenged essential using where the -
20:29 - 20:33as as we've seen today using the web is
so essential to all our lives -
20:33 - 20:37and big companies and governments have
so much power over it -
20:37 - 20:41bad at the inn block alright things
political speech -
20:41 - 20:44video that you want to watch features a
cat there so -
20:44 - 20:47I'm anyway so that's what the press is
doing in large part is trying to protect -
20:47 - 20:48that notion
-
20:48 - 20:52net neutrality and wall added that fight
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20:52 - 20:55came a number campaign link their at me
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20:55 - 20:59stock so it was that bad copyright
they'll your get your the US -
20:59 - 21:03and after that you know realization I
think here the US around the world that -
21:03 - 21:04we are needed
-
21:04 - 21:07I each other a little bit or those of us
who have been -
21:07 - 21:12advocating for reopen it for a long time
and so we started doing that -
21:12 - 21:15repressed led the development and
wrapping up something called the -
21:15 - 21:16decoration etc reno
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21:16 - 21:20which was a simple statement of
principles out they are right to access -
21:20 - 21:22information online
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21:22 - 21:26and Adam backing up really fruitful
relationship with Tim berners-lee -
21:26 - 21:29organization the world wide web
foundation -
21:29 - 21:33and we discussed ways in which we could
move that effort -
21:33 - 21:36forward this you that declaration effort
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21:36 - 21:40to involve more troops around the world
more people around the world -
21:40 - 21:44and shit guarantee that we all have
access to information -
21:44 - 21:47and that that access and the principles
behind it -
21:47 - 21:51are not a demanded any one country or
anyone -
21:51 - 21:56it also added that in this great project
the web we want which we're not going to -
21:56 - 21:58tell you more about
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21:58 - 22:01which is seeking to do just that to you
-
22:01 - 22:05pass laws around the world that will
protect people's right to access the -
22:05 - 22:05internet
-
22:05 - 22:09into to access content on the web
without anybody getting in the way -
22:09 - 22:14and its its building steam very very
quickly -
22:14 - 22:17we are working with countries around the
world developed their own set of -
22:17 - 22:20principles regarding the webinar rights
on it -
22:20 - 22:24and organizing lot smarter organizations
that it really excited -
22:24 - 22:29by getting involved in this effort and
art remote uniting -
22:29 - 22:33gross we're all fighting the same by
departs the world is -
22:33 - 22:38had come to light so I let me not to
tell you more about that -
22:38 - 22:41and hello everyone everybody'd 3d
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22:41 - 22:45want me here a solo the way we want
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22:45 - 22:50it would be set luncheon of a
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22:50 - 22:55a very important group of organizations
FMC society and we'll -
22:55 - 22:58mention other then and Eve access
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22:58 - 23:01that many of us are from you every EPC
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23:01 - 23:06athlete Brett from the US its leader in
jordan Eberle -
23:06 - 23:10the open-source Association dorgan as
well -
23:10 - 23:15and a consumers international
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23:15 - 23:21and article nineteen that's the only
thing about God's mercy O -
23:21 - 23:25I V 40 gb/s public knowledge she in the
US -
23:25 - 23:29and me we have the we got the
confirmation that -
23:29 - 23:33Open Knowledge Foundation which has
affiliate is over -
23:33 - 23:36war doing this book ASO
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23:36 - 23:40basically they can be what we are trying
to achieve a here -
23:40 - 23:43you do and more from their reactions
because the -
23:43 - 23:48reactions that lets users say you you
outcropping approach -
23:48 - 23:51you have a positive agenda like this a
first -
23:51 - 23:55in different countries and a note so
nobody -
23:55 - 24:00and what happens is usually the we got
together let me know and we reacted -
24:00 - 24:02badly to his nation be
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24:02 - 24:06alls a everybody either and
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24:06 - 24:09specific purpose a interest what very
creative -
24:09 - 24:13but not so well-informed legislator
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24:13 - 24:16and in so you the last
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24:16 - 24:20let's say five years we have seen so
many mobile stations -
24:20 - 24:23against against against so we think that
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24:23 - 24:28yeses want to have a a reaction bad
legislation but he's much more effective -
24:28 - 24:29the
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24:29 - 24:32also people to use the Site a nobody
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24:32 - 24:35XTS is a be understood us the whole
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24:35 - 24:4018 works Bentley FB you should be using
the Internet government but seems as a -
24:40 - 24:41few
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24:41 - 24:45moline everyone enough I well rights
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24:45 - 24:50and so and we would have a deeper and
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24:50 - 24:53DVD sandifer Nationals it to achieve
that -
24:53 - 24:57their personal be in Ben's work in
specific countries -
24:57 - 25:02wieder it we a you get all the Advisory
Committee -
25:02 - 25:07so that there's something going on there
some movement in society in there so -
25:07 - 25:11action there it is sOooo believe the
country's between the -
25:11 - 25:14week at that decided you get that first
it -
25:14 - 25:19and got to use a button and more
stronger support -
25:19 - 25:22from the one a what we won by Jenson
would be -
25:22 - 25:27just bad Indonesia Philippines India
found that they expressed to you -
25:27 - 25:32it with your YouTube the UK Nisha aunty
react Kenya -
25:32 - 25:36and so happy so as you see each other
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25:36 - 25:40mostly condition that no one cell
outside the UK be good you -
25:40 - 25:45a saw an opportunity there yes well so
that every Christian -
25:45 - 25:51rights and be very interesting to see
how the deterioration -
25:51 - 25:55rights in the country even had been
taken in a democratic country villa -
25:55 - 25:58in years has been very extreme is that
is really -
25:58 - 26:02affecting the region Anna apart from you
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26:02 - 26:07a in Ben's work that we have blended
national dialogue scene is going to say -
26:07 - 26:11warm it well and we have also and we are
left -
26:11 - 26:151820 parts of March a meeting routes as
well -
26:15 - 26:18at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone
to apply -
26:18 - 26:22so you don't need to be an NGO you don't
need to be a -
26:22 - 26:26a an expert like that for these plants
when we will these -
26:26 - 26:30normal people Archies musicians everyone
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26:30 - 26:34it to be involved in the simple a.m.
request once the celebrated are key -
26:34 - 26:39or working with but at the same time
that was celebrated with -
26:39 - 26:42the start a conversation on what we do
what we want what he's in what do you -
26:42 - 26:43think that
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26:43 - 26:48what a which by any means and which a.m.
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26:48 - 26:52for we want it you which way we want to
protect it with no -
26:52 - 26:56wanted that free and open when and so it
can be something -
26:56 - 27:01ass as a symbol that that screen and in
the published -
27:01 - 27:05week space it can be something more
elaborate it like that like a -
27:05 - 27:10well at your local library it can be
anything you want you can be given that -
27:10 - 27:12spoke during the meeting love with Celia
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27:12 - 27:15a it dozen people whether whether a
person's -
27:15 - 27:18in it for you and what also
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27:18 - 27:23we know that we can know the bottom a
those fighting against -
27:23 - 27:26so we have a but it would response a
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27:26 - 27:30grants and these rapid response plans
have for -
27:30 - 27:35it we it have I didn't buy that
sometimes the make some be -
27:35 - 27:39happened in its own resources especially
in some punches in the levels out so -
27:39 - 27:43for example did think about that very
bad surveillance local -
27:43 - 27:47last Ian nicaragua so these rapid
response -
27:47 - 27:52a which will be open during the whole
give me love activist see -
27:52 - 27:55nascent me very bad things happen
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27:55 - 27:58and we think that if we it got another
Google -
27:58 - 28:01people together and we read the
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28:01 - 28:05and it lets in the evening get assure PD
about that -
28:05 - 28:09we have a good chance to as she that
their opinion -
28:09 - 28:14our site there's decided rights and so
that would be open as well -
28:14 - 28:18it would be that would be up in the or
so at my and March -
28:18 - 28:21and you will be we may not be too late
for year -
28:21 - 28:26and what we will at she but the end of
the year is that very interesting -
28:26 - 28:29and when it should have experience we
will see it -
28:29 - 28:33and that web it went well
-
28:33 - 28:37people won't in a specific country with
more intense the -
28:37 - 28:41follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a
scene which techniques -
28:41 - 28:46I did this for rapid response went their
separate you know of any Burnett -
28:46 - 28:51it by adding the collection experiences
from the rapid response plans -
28:51 - 28:54and as a wee wee letter from at ways to
engage -
28:54 - 28:58uploader Monique use a in our topics in
our issues -
28:58 - 29:02so I I am very hopeful that especially
artists -
29:02 - 29:05very creative activists it went for
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29:05 - 29:08I'm ways to engage in a broader public
because the -
29:08 - 29:12need a he's ours and their
-
29:12 - 29:16future eat the Benson also Serafini and
more -
29:16 - 29:20it people invited me despite more was
the strong and you get -
29:20 - 29:24a a at last I i will.
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29:24 - 29:28and we'll elected by everyone to
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29:28 - 29:33to being a slick here the way that you
can gauge to use -
29:33 - 29:37i'm nina and need to apply for these
grants will -
29:37 - 29:40not only pure bedford is Lansing to make
in 20 -
29:40 - 29:45I it you only if you want to write an
article -
29:45 - 29:49you are an expert in specific topics it
he's great articles -
29:49 - 29:52News shared knowledge with people and
peace it engage in that -
29:52 - 29:56them yet but that the egos headed
-
29:56 - 29:59here where author sauce and the Internet
offers those -
29:59 - 30:03use them for two people communicate and
panicking and borders and they've been -
30:03 - 30:03there
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30:03 - 30:07it's lonely here a.m. the list that
phone -
30:07 - 30:11it which is not that a website but he
said that -
30:11 - 30:15on and made of the connecti that he's
ready to -
30:15 - 30:18jumper and and do
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30:18 - 30:22think actions to say that with any
moment that using in the -
30:22 - 30:25let so yes
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30:25 - 30:29what's it you well
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30:29 - 30:32thanks that's really I think it's great
to serve to have that out there for -
30:32 - 30:34people to understand
-
30:34 - 30:37all the way so they can get involved
-
30:37 - 30:41wanting right so in thinking about how
can we make -
30:41 - 30:44a little show today that would celebrate
the web -
30:44 - 30:47I couldn't help but think about Global
Voices -
30:47 - 30:50because that's what brings us all
together here -
30:50 - 30:55and I think that our community and so
many ways -
30:55 - 30:59I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't
exist without the web -
30:59 - 31:04but doctor also so many on particular
-
31:04 - 31:08attributes ovett in when it comes to
access and openness that -
31:08 - 31:12allow us to do all the things that we do
like including this -
31:12 - 31:16hang out right now I'm so I wanted to
ask -
31:16 - 31:20although we're really short on time so
I'm gonna have to asking to be super -
31:20 - 31:20presh
-
31:20 - 31:24but chair you I kinda I said is there
could you talk -
31:24 - 31:30a little bit about what with if you look
at Global Voices -
31:30 - 31:33answered the way that it's grown-up on
-
31:33 - 31:37with the Internet you've been here since
the beginning so you can kinda wish -
31:37 - 31:41just tell us tell us a bit
-
31:41 - 31:44okay well I I actually haven't been
-
31:44 - 31:47where at Global Voices since the very
beginning -
31:47 - 31:51but I joined near the start so maybe you
can see on my screen -
31:51 - 31:54Global Voices we started actually in
2005 -
31:54 - 31:57I and one of the great things about the
story -
31:57 - 31:59is that it was started
-
31:59 - 32:03quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman
-
32:03 - 32:06arm who set up the original site I
-
32:06 - 32:10along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out
worked on the idea content and so -
32:10 - 32:14they actually used word press which is
this system we still use today -
32:14 - 32:18and which is very similar to the web in
a lot of sense is -
32:18 - 32:23I because it's a distributed project
people all around the world develop it -
32:23 - 32:26its open source and it's free and it is
so -
32:26 - 32:30not by convenience but by very explicit
philosophy and they're very active in -
32:30 - 32:31defending Mac
-
32:31 - 32:35arm and also in another way I originally
-
32:35 - 32:40I at the time there was a very popular
free software called movable type -
32:40 - 32:44which became commercial and instead sign
a paper at people -
32:44 - 32:48switch to Word Press I'm so this was our
original website -
32:48 - 32:52we later redesigned it several times I
-
32:52 - 32:56and over the years we have grown with
-
32:56 - 33:01I Word Press to at take advantage of the
new features -
33:01 - 33:07and I keep running our site and sell
running are -
33:07 - 33:11our whole infrastructure on this very
decentralized open source model has been -
33:11 - 33:15I really rewarding experience for us are
just as -
33:15 - 33:18using the web has then obviously I there
what are the most interesting -
33:18 - 33:22things is that Global Voices is all
about the web without the web without -
33:22 - 33:23that
-
33:23 - 33:27decentralized of the ship anyone can
write to it there would be no Global -
33:27 - 33:27Voices
-
33:27 - 33:31the whole point in little ways as well
as to recognize that people all over the -
33:31 - 33:34world were taking advantage of the
benefits of the web -
33:34 - 33:38and create one place where you can find
it sort of like a archie wise -
33:38 - 33:42I with GE pre web telnet days
-
33:42 - 33:45a archive things happening all around
-
33:45 - 33:48I've got Google Voice is dead arm
-
33:48 - 33:51so yeah no and
-
33:51 - 33:55you know we've tried a lot of different
infrastructure based around the web over -
33:55 - 33:56the years
-
33:56 - 34:00I we you strip all reviews a lot of
different online service that is -
34:00 - 34:02obviously like everyone else
-
34:02 - 34:06the temptation to take advantage of
Google's free offerings has always been -
34:06 - 34:10are part of Global Voices DNA we use
Google mailing lists we use -
34:10 - 34:13I all the different things that they
make for free -
34:13 - 34:17which is an interesting part of the web
because it's not the web that Google -
34:17 - 34:21just happening to give it away but at
the company they have a tendency to -
34:21 - 34:22follow the spirit of the web
-
34:22 - 34:25I even though they're doing so for
commercial reasons -
34:25 - 34:29up but yeah that Mike
-
34:29 - 34:33it very brief summary of the history
always given how to parallel the web -
34:33 - 34:38thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to
wrap up now but -
34:38 - 34:42just to do that I wanted to ask for
-
34:42 - 34:45a couple love kinda final thoughts um
-
34:45 - 34:50from from Allen and perhaps also Josh
just -
34:50 - 34:53I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially
-
34:53 - 34:57interested in if there are kinda
thoughts that you have on all of the -
34:57 - 35:01activism and advocacy that's taking
place around -
35:01 - 35:05fundamental rights on the internet kinda
from from -
35:05 - 35:06your own
-
35:06 - 35:09unique historical perspective and then
-
35:09 - 35:14I wanted to close on by asking or not
it's just tell -
35:14 - 35:17ass very little bit about Basle
-
35:17 - 35:21I'm since there's also an important
anniversary this weekend -
35:21 - 35:25%uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go
and then we will -
35:25 - 35:29close-up won't end well arm
-
35:29 - 35:33you know I'll I have I haven't been
involved -
35:33 - 35:37awesome activists for a for a quite some
time now -
35:37 - 35:40year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol
biatch -
35:40 - 35:45I'll lying around the globe and and at
the mall except maybe the nineties -
35:45 - 35:49I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of
attention to that stuff -
35:49 - 35:52a I am currently in Barbados right now
-
35:52 - 35:55and down it has been really interesting
to -
35:55 - 35:59trying out for one example trying to
access content -
35:59 - 36:04from United States om all your
entertainment content action star -
36:04 - 36:07and II manual to study read but
-
36:07 - 36:10a real it but in in practice the
-
36:10 - 36:14antiquated models I'll %uh of content
distribution -
36:14 - 36:18that we are still holding onto om in
this day in age -
36:18 - 36:21where no geographical boundaries and
national boundaries not -
36:21 - 36:26on Sat are still very much at once
entropies business models -
36:26 - 36:29a get you know our are not things like
-
36:29 - 36:32but our internet esta whiten way at it
on -
36:32 - 36:35well I see no music industry a seamless
happen now for -
36:35 - 36:39ethnic I'm I would certainly from the
actors -
36:39 - 36:42on you in terms of keeping the the
Internet I'm freaking -
36:42 - 36:46and unavailable its are it's going to be
a real challenge I mean it's such a -
36:46 - 36:50important technology now and you have
things like a great -
36:50 - 36:54wall are the Great Firewall of China
Omni power -
36:54 - 36:57you know russia recently as a while
yesterday today -
36:57 - 37:03shutting down I'll using got new laws to
shut down access to -
37:03 - 37:06guess at I against hooting I'll
-
37:06 - 37:09you know this getting reelected are I'm
-
37:09 - 37:13egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot
of people on the use of social -
37:13 - 37:14networking
-
37:14 - 37:17I'll juju organize an activity on
-
37:17 - 37:21people and bring them up onto the sheets
so governments are scared this -
37:21 - 37:22technology
-
37:22 - 37:25and it's important that we worked really
hard to keep it is -
37:25 - 37:28this reason is because they realize that
not for me chin -
37:28 - 37:32are you talking to mention you control
the people so I'm -
37:32 - 37:35I think it is a strange journey partner
people I -
37:35 - 37:39let's just do not want to continue to
work are very hard to you -
37:39 - 37:43to stop the battle Austin form below the
Legislature's -
37:43 - 37:47summer just another eight rats I mean
you know never ascribe to malice what -
37:47 - 37:47will be
-
37:47 - 37:52ascribed to incompetence and on these
people are just incompetent not not -
37:52 - 37:53malicious
-
37:53 - 37:57I'll but they are people who are
malicious as well so we have to deal -
37:57 - 37:58with them as well
-
37:58 - 38:01but top it's you know it's vitally
important the yes -
38:01 - 38:04I nowadays not be these technologies
reset -
38:04 - 38:11at the core or culture and the way we
communicate on may -
38:13 - 38:18I me others at 10 quickly at
-
38:18 - 38:21I think that we read in your interesting
moment where -
38:21 - 38:25so many basic knowledge the
-
38:25 - 38:29importance on the internet and no
nowhere ands -
38:29 - 38:33be impact it's had a on every aspect of
our -
38:33 - 38:36culture and and because of that I think
we as the -
38:36 - 38:40users at the where into the internet
have -
38:40 - 38:45a duty to hold the government
-
38:45 - 38:49governments around the world in
companies around the world accountable -
38:49 - 38:52and to you its
-
38:52 - 38:57urge them and pressure them to protect
the openness -
38:57 - 39:01that lies at the core I'll this entire
-
39:01 - 39:04name and to protect not just openness
but -
39:04 - 39:07also this notion 0 comments thats
-
39:07 - 39:11I in our opinion quickly being lost
-
39:11 - 39:15this notion that the that the internet
and that the web are -
39:15 - 39:18I'll are publicly on and that
-
39:18 - 39:22it the activity that takes place on them
as activity that we -
39:22 - 39:26undertake net me it that is ours and
that is not baby -
39:26 - 39:30mean up the big companies on his
platforms -
39:30 - 39:33me undertake the activity so for example
-
39:33 - 39:36google has allowed us to do a lot of
things Google -
39:36 - 39:39lost by a lot of information extremely
quickly -
39:39 - 39:43to connect to each other extremely well
he is not working at -
39:43 - 39:46are doing right now but Google's doing
all this and -
39:46 - 39:50at while mining the data to get
-
39:50 - 39:54selling of that data that data is also
creating this historic all -
39:54 - 39:58record up everything then search
warrants a online which has been no -
39:58 - 40:02exploited by governments but also by
companies as I think it's time for us to -
40:02 - 40:04think about that relationship between us
-
40:04 - 40:09and these big companies which is
becoming essential part of our -
40:09 - 40:15online experience and have to me the
centralized that happen we -
40:15 - 40:18decouple ourselves from these giant
companies and take back -
40:18 - 40:23or should I wear so that we are all in
this experience in a deeper way and that -
40:23 - 40:27it's not and experience is purely
commercial and a commercial transaction -
40:27 - 40:28between us and
-
40:28 - 40:32and if a company so that that's a big
question spent eight years for travel it -
40:32 - 40:39right solutions but we're hoping that we
can start it our station now -
40:43 - 40:47well now now I'm not and now and we go
back to something that -
40:47 - 40:53germs set and he left a but that he met
means that you did in the -
40:53 - 40:56border Canadian border because the
happier -
40:56 - 41:00and now with a while I want to talk
about the set that up -
41:00 - 41:03at the end of the day yourself we've
reduced -
41:03 - 41:07a number of people who can actually
-
41:07 - 41:11eat some countries and not control the
internet but you see -
41:11 - 41:15Eden you understand the infrastructure
and use it in a way -
41:15 - 41:18that the weekend increase public who and
they can -
41:18 - 41:22to help people in extreme situations and
10 did -
41:22 - 41:26it these people he said my friend but he
kept happy -
41:26 - 41:30battle back to lead the Internet
basically -
41:30 - 41:34Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian
activities -
41:34 - 41:38and he said i think is the food culture
and your clothes he said you know he's -
41:38 - 41:41not that he had not super nationalist
-
41:41 - 41:44you keep keep he had trouble lol
extensively -
41:44 - 41:49here Rams over two were and he liked
that he likes to spend time -
41:49 - 41:53and learning how things water I'll in
separate so that you think will -
41:53 - 41:58the computers and he has learned it
himself healthy -
41:58 - 42:02up to the gold that it brings the own
goal -
42:02 - 42:06then he was a he knows a lot about
hardware as well and he knows and -
42:06 - 42:10about we coach or and and he said I'm
-
42:10 - 42:14and when he so hey there You or was he
so all these -
42:14 - 42:18wonderful things happen and and said he
thought the -
42:18 - 42:21Britain's the create hacker space in the
baskets -
42:21 - 42:25I don't know how translation what's what
in the -
42:25 - 42:29apparently hackerspace what's a very
scary Lord forgive CBN -
42:29 - 42:32as is to be and you don't answer me
this: -
42:32 - 42:38and they saw it as a threat the people
in power grid technology acid great -
42:38 - 42:41who don't plan to control people paso's
-
42:41 - 42:44here on the 15 up December
-
42:44 - 42:49two years ago they hackerspace with
greater -
42:49 - 42:52all the computers where they cannot wait
all the things with this month opened -
42:52 - 42:53him up
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42:53 - 42:57and united in wanna be set up Syrian
please looking at that -
42:57 - 43:00reedy reader only goal well the nato the
delaney -
43:00 - 43:04nuclear weapons or something like that
%uh and -
43:04 - 43:0773 he have enough a weighty and he had
been -
43:07 - 43:10recently was that he see West the
-
43:10 - 43:13in a very very bad reason so did
-
43:13 - 43:18orchard treatment but then he was a
things through that book I feel -
43:18 - 43:21at thousands of people he was it we
passed -
43:21 - 43:25her back to his VM recent we each
-
43:25 - 43:28you can imagine how even deep is the
civilian prison -
43:28 - 43:32how is this looks like and you he said a
-
43:32 - 43:35the conditions get but worse
-
43:35 - 43:39a that goes by and the Syrian government
once -
43:39 - 43:42out all were resources the last people
really -
43:42 - 43:47feed the last people they would take
care all are the prisoners -
43:47 - 43:51on the book that last release it has a a
health condition -
43:51 - 43:54he's all relief that but
-
43:54 - 43:59me yeah what we me happy intrepid
building at least it two years -
43:59 - 44:04is the keeping baseball and didn't keep
reminding him that we haven't forgotten -
44:04 - 44:07and to keep reminded you that we yeah
-
44:07 - 44:12in braided values that he embraces the
that support the cause is that he -
44:12 - 44:15seen supports school a been up to
-
44:15 - 44:19think you know the you know just been
saddened but nothing -
44:19 - 44:23we have been deeply baffled they the 15
of March -
44:23 - 44:27what some things are already starting
today and what we want is that joint -
44:27 - 44:28action
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44:28 - 44:31a Bleezy mean and
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44:31 - 44:35you can be it do remember bottle and not
only battle -
44:35 - 44:41but remember Syria because it seems that
because if the new laws media's -
44:41 - 44:44it we don't we don't be a hear about
Syria and more -
44:44 - 44:48I mean it's is like good in December
been on the popular -
44:48 - 44:52and we we will if we got some timely
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44:52 - 44:56were OK and something is good but
neither the symbol -
44:56 - 45:00have well but then a vote no on the
suffering and together we to -
45:00 - 45:03wood bats and I'm not sober system
administrators -
45:03 - 45:07computer experts and had a fierce
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45:07 - 45:11what I recent so that we only care about
journalists in others lots of people -
45:11 - 45:12that somebody will people
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45:12 - 45:16for the future Syria and who would
increase in our -
45:16 - 45:19what the we need our solidarity
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45:19 - 45:23I mean let's elect to even you're
leaving a gun T -
45:23 - 45:26air which has received a Syrian refugees
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45:26 - 45:30you show your solidarity I know that
share on your computer -
45:30 - 45:35mind some appealing but maybe go won the
nineteen a computer -
45:35 - 45:38with internet access this refugee camp
so they can -
45:38 - 45:41stay in touch with their reluctance that
growth may be -
45:41 - 45:45do enough to shark tall coach ashore
gathering -
45:45 - 45:49your day I think that that there was no
with ways who -
45:49 - 45:53help battle because that's what what but
it probably will be between if you must -
45:53 - 45:54be
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45:54 - 45:57so my feeling is that not forget Syria
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45:57 - 46:00not forget that so that free internet if
the -
46:00 - 46:04up the internet with the bath and this
year and that's -
46:04 - 46:09we might want action what is the web she
wants -
46:09 - 46:12where many about on so there is a lot of
work to do -
46:12 - 46:16I'm and there are lots of ways to get
involved -
46:16 - 46:20Street right about I think you everybody
so much -
46:20 - 46:25for coming on today and um
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46:25 - 46:28we hope to see you everybody here and
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46:28 - 46:31out there next week on GB face thanks so
much
- Title:
- GV Face: Happy 25th Birthday, Web!
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It's the 25th birthday of the World Wide Web this week! In this edition of GV Face, Global Voices veterans will talk about their early experiences with the web and all it has enabled us to do in our (nearly) ten years as an organization. We'll also speak with GV community leader Renata Avila and Free Press Internet Campaign Director Josh Levy, two founding members of the Web We Want campaign, a new initiative that promotes global conversation about human rights and the Internet.
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