WEBVTT 00:00:01.300 --> 00:00:05.189 her weekly video hangout series I think 00:00:05.189 --> 00:00:09.309 let's see we started a little bit of time so I'll say it again welcome to GV 00:00:09.308 --> 00:00:09.958 face 00:00:09.958 --> 00:00:16.070 our weekly video hangout series today we are celebrating the 25th birthday 00:00:16.070 --> 00:00:20.050 other world-wide-web pretty exciting that was on Wednesday 00:00:20.050 --> 00:00:23.400 I'm we've got a really all-star 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.939 lineup of guests on today's program 00:00:26.939 --> 00:00:30.140 I'm moving from 00:00:30.140 --> 00:00:35.179 left to right we have Alan M touch very special guest who is 00:00:35.179 --> 00:00:38.469 I can talk to us about has 00:00:38.469 --> 00:00:41.698 very special opps and 00:00:41.698 --> 00:00:44.719 a arse web browser I 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.489 we have Jeremy Clark in Montreal jeremy is a technical director at Global Voices 00:00:49.488 --> 00:00:52.718 Josh levy from Free Press 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.480 in Massachusetts nast and renown tabula 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.959 I campaign manager for the web we won 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:03.710 Creative Commons extraordinaire and Stevie 00:01:03.710 --> 00:01:07.939 star who is joining us from Berlin welcome everybody 00:01:07.939 --> 00:01:11.170 i'm too much just start today's 00:01:11.170 --> 00:01:14.359 show by talking a little bit about 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:21.310 the World Wide Web and the Internet it's a lotta people think that they're the 00:01:21.310 --> 00:01:22.740 same thing 00:01:22.739 --> 00:01:26.559 when actually that's not quite true 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.079 wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.590 and just ask chair could you break it down for us 00:01:33.590 --> 00:01:37.310 like I thought that the internet was invented in the seventies but 00:01:37.310 --> 00:01:40.960 if it's the 25th birthday have the weapons 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.169 what does that mean okay 00:01:44.170 --> 00:01:47.650 well the best place to start I think is 00:01:47.650 --> 00:01:52.770 the internet who has existed in various formats 00:01:52.769 --> 00:01:58.140 since the 1970s as he say up but it was the web that made it really enter our 00:01:58.140 --> 00:01:58.780 homes 00:01:58.780 --> 00:02:02.250 and so understanding the relationship is important 00:02:02.250 --> 00:02:07.459 so the internet was invented by the US government in a lot of sense is 00:02:07.459 --> 00:02:12.098 a mix of military in science funding I that developed the network at the actual 00:02:12.098 --> 00:02:13.078 computers 00:02:13.079 --> 00:02:16.099 that can communicate with each other over wires 00:02:16.098 --> 00:02:20.818 arm now another related technology that is 00:02:20.818 --> 00:02:23.828 also comprise that built into the bad 00:02:23.829 --> 00:02:27.090 is called hypertext and that is the notion 00:02:27.090 --> 00:02:32.468 out documents that can link between each other immediately 00:02:32.468 --> 00:02:36.150 without having I to go and fetch a separate document 00:02:36.150 --> 00:02:39.569 arm so there were lots of system since the nineteen sixties 00:02:39.568 --> 00:02:43.149 that we're trying to implement hypertext like that to do with an example 00:02:43.150 --> 00:02:46.959 up but all of them where commercial expensive closed 00:02:46.959 --> 00:02:50.829 and none of them were very popular so Tim berners-lee 00:02:50.829 --> 00:02:54.530 who is the inventor of the Internet I I 00:02:54.530 --> 00:02:57.530 though web obviously the World Wide Web arm 00:02:57.530 --> 00:03:01.590 put those two things together by building a service that runs 00:03:01.590 --> 00:03:05.530 on top of the Internet and he called it the World Wide Web 00:03:05.530 --> 00:03:08.748 soul what the World Wide Web is is 00:03:08.748 --> 00:03:12.150 be decentralized hypertext I 00:03:12.150 --> 00:03:15.938 engine that we used I to communicate between 00:03:15.938 --> 00:03:19.120 computers our web pages so 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.819 what makes up web is three things 00:03:22.818 --> 00:03:26.998 URL's or you our eyes universal Resource Locator 00:03:26.998 --> 00:03:30.180 which are the addresses we use to find things on the web 00:03:30.180 --> 00:03:34.639 Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup Language 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.010 I which is the way that be information is stored and sent 00:03:39.009 --> 00:03:42.039 so that we can then used browsers to 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.669 view HTML and then all the documents 00:03:45.669 --> 00:03:48.828 can be understood and then also 00:03:48.829 --> 00:03:52.340 they display the links so that the Hypertext part if it works and we can 00:03:52.340 --> 00:03:53.900 jump around from page to page 00:03:53.900 --> 00:03:59.438 I'm the final part is HTTP which is the Hypertext Transfer Protocol 00:03:59.438 --> 00:04:03.968 which is the communication method by which the different computers 00:04:03.968 --> 00:04:07.378 can talk to each other and send be 00:04:07.378 --> 00:04:11.209 I HTML documents back and forth depending on the URL's 00:04:11.209 --> 00:04:16.608 arm so when he built it there were some very important things that he built into 00:04:16.608 --> 00:04:17.449 this system 00:04:17.449 --> 00:04:21.120 that didn't exist before and the main one is 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.319 universal of worship so he always intended 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:28.920 that anyone would be able to access these web pages 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.379 and anyone would be able to add their own web pages without asking for 00:04:32.379 --> 00:04:33.399 permission 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:38.250 I with the X very explicit special condition that anyone can link to any 00:04:38.250 --> 00:04:39.439 other web page 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.779 without permission previous hypertext systems 00:04:42.779 --> 00:04:47.939 required that basically for you to link to me I have to accept that link can 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:50.069 probably create a link back to you 00:04:50.069 --> 00:04:53.319 and that was the required on the web which gives us a lot of freedom to make 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.699 the people we who wit wouldn't want us 00:04:55.699 --> 00:04:59.389 to be able to link them for example so no one can say I'm putting up tree 00:04:59.389 --> 00:05:00.649 content but you 00:05:00.649 --> 00:05:04.089 can't send your readers here because I hate you et cetera 00:05:04.089 --> 00:05:07.689 are the other one is that you made it completely completely 3 00:05:07.689 --> 00:05:11.689 so in the world a mentor in world them programming 00:05:11.689 --> 00:05:14.800 the most free thing is generally considered to be the GPL 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:19.720 open source free software licenses and Tim berners-lee actually almost use the 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.990 GPL because he wanted that what web software he was building to be free 00:05:23.990 --> 00:05:28.180 but at the last minute yes he changed his mind made it call public domain 00:05:28.180 --> 00:05:32.170 because in certain ways the GPL is actually more respect 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:35.449 restrictive because it forces other people like certain commercial actors 00:05:35.449 --> 00:05:37.060 wouldn't have wanted to use 00:05:37.060 --> 00:05:41.430 web technology if it were GPL so he made a full public domain 00:05:41.430 --> 00:05:44.750 and then from there when I'm to make all of the standard size 00:05:44.750 --> 00:05:48.810 open and I general and three as possible 00:05:48.810 --> 00:05:52.740 are so that's my extremely brief history internet if anyone is curious 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:56.819 he wrote a wonderful book called weaving the web about his experiences 00:05:56.819 --> 00:06:00.279 as you can see its short and he 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.549 highlighted interesting technical information in it without 00:06:03.550 --> 00:06:07.680 I'll it being overwhelming it's very approachable and he's a really 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.480 interesting person ended the book is much better than his tweets which are 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:10.890 usually 00:06:10.889 --> 00:06:15.279 in procuring all 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.939 crowded thank coach that's great chair 00:06:18.939 --> 00:06:22.629 I mean I think that that helps on in conversations about 00:06:22.629 --> 00:06:26.560 internet policy in Internet governance there's a lot of emphasis 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.829 on the ability to kinda creepy 00:06:29.829 --> 00:06:33.639 innovate without permission like for everybody to 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:37.419 be able to build parks a the web and 00:06:37.420 --> 00:06:41.680 and what you just laid out for us makes it clear how important 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.030 a web peace up the infrastructure is for that 00:06:46.029 --> 00:06:50.929 for that capacity to become a real tangible thing and somebody that 00:06:50.930 --> 00:06:54.480 something that now we can do you know we don't have to have 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.850 technical expertise to kindness build our own 00:06:57.850 --> 00:07:02.120 our own spaces there I'm so I'm 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.160 if I can add just one more thing sorry I as want to give a couple examples the 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.540 things that happen over the internet that arent to bad 00:07:08.540 --> 00:07:11.629 because that was the actual I miss a question so 00:07:11.629 --> 00:07:15.920 one example would be torrents where York the cookie to computers connect to each 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.509 other 00:07:16.509 --> 00:07:20.279 and stream information directly without any URL's 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.289 being mixed into the process I'm another one is email at its core 00:07:24.290 --> 00:07:28.120 is its own communication protocol that doesn't have to use the web although we 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:28.860 often use 00:07:28.860 --> 00:07:31.980 web sites to access and manage our now 00:07:31.980 --> 00:07:35.680 arm and then another one was the one right before the web came out 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:39.110 them a very popular protocol was called go for which 00:07:39.110 --> 00:07:42.810 people liked and sort it worked like the where'd you just surf around and find 00:07:42.810 --> 00:07:43.439 things 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:47.259 but it actually became commercial right around the time 00:07:47.259 --> 00:07:50.539 that the web came out so people have would have had to start paying and 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:51.840 instead of having to pay 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.519 they switched to using HTTP a shemale and the world but 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.209 thank you so I want to move to Alan now 00:08:00.209 --> 00:08:04.120 I'm how I couldn't bill the first 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:05.709 search engine 00:08:05.709 --> 00:08:09.039 and I'm kinda like 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.020 overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy and nervous 00:08:13.019 --> 00:08:16.659 having apparently speaker her big deal 00:08:16.660 --> 00:08:20.090 I'm salome just I 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:24.750 you could tell us cuz I think a lot of people don't know about archie 00:08:24.750 --> 00:08:28.269 on it would be really cool just to hear about 00:08:28.269 --> 00:08:33.629 E all you sir what you were doing that made you decide 00:08:33.629 --> 00:08:38.188 should to do this and kinda what it was like and then 00:08:38.190 --> 00:08:41.289 mean everything you've seen sense unfortunately 00:08:41.288 --> 00:08:44.929 where time limited but welcome you know therapy 00:08:44.929 --> 00:08:48.778 well arm I well that was lacking that 00:08:48.778 --> 00:08:52.958 19 I 89 and 00:08:52.958 --> 00:08:58.619 a I was working out as a system and mentorship therefore I am getting worse 00:08:58.620 --> 00:08:59.789 there's no cracks chips 00:08:59.789 --> 00:09:04.079 McGill University and I'm I A 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:08.459 was responsible for getting all software for one on my responsibilities 00:09:08.458 --> 00:09:11.958 getting software for the faculty and the students 00:09:11.958 --> 00:09:16.989 are and at that time there it three major protocols on the internet this is 00:09:16.990 --> 00:09:17.769 pretty where 00:09:17.769 --> 00:09:21.110 I'll was I world's 00:09:21.110 --> 00:09:25.039 telnet which would allow you to log into a remote machine 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:28.689 email I which allow you to communicate 00:09:28.690 --> 00:09:31.920 I with one what we do know 10 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.528 me more machines your and 00:09:35.528 --> 00:09:39.278 FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol which allowed you to move 00:09:39.278 --> 00:09:42.870 Wow data files or file was from one which 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:45.919 one sheet to another and at the time what we had was 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.429 people had me it remember it was a non commercial Internet 00:09:50.429 --> 00:09:53.939 time actually commercial traffic was forbidden on the Internet 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:57.220 time because it was run by the National Science Foundation 00:09:57.220 --> 00:10:00.330 was using educational money and therefore 00:10:00.330 --> 00:10:04.690 other than companies with research arms like ID and I'll 00:10:04.690 --> 00:10:08.400 and HD and those kinds of things we didn't have any commercial traffic on 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:09.519 the Internet which 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.829 why would a seems kinda amazing to even think about 00:10:12.830 --> 00:10:16.778 and I so what people who did 00:10:16.778 --> 00:10:20.970 were out to provide are three states on your machine 00:10:20.970 --> 00:10:24.430 remember you know at the time a big a big 00:10:24.429 --> 00:10:28.969 this will be a megabyte you know I'll and so people would provide 00:10:28.970 --> 00:10:32.060 common a or depositary still 00:10:32.059 --> 00:10:35.549 that that you could deposit I'm 00:10:35.549 --> 00:10:39.639 programs that you had written and I'll data files 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.899 and documents back in stock into the central repositories 00:10:43.899 --> 00:10:47.299 that will spread around the internet that other people can then 00:10:47.299 --> 00:10:52.000 you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my time trying to locate software 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.879 or the information that means that students in the Faculty are trying to 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:56.399 find 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.419 and I got tired and since I'm easy and the geek 00:10:59.419 --> 00:11:03.049 I A arm I A I 00:11:03.049 --> 00:11:06.969 automated the process a got instead of doing it manually 00:11:06.970 --> 00:11:10.450 I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the middle of the night every night 00:11:10.450 --> 00:11:14.079 and go all index these files 00:11:14.078 --> 00:11:17.909 now remember all of this was just file listings it's not like we will it's not 00:11:17.909 --> 00:11:18.528 like a 00:11:18.528 --> 00:11:21.980 I'll search engine will be today I if yes 00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:25.519 just I just found it's all it was bonds 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.370 and so what they would do with it would go out every night 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:32.870 yes all the file names and all the repositories allow you to search 00:11:32.870 --> 00:11:36.528 those lists a plummets I only used it for myself 00:11:36.528 --> 00:11:39.750 I only used it I'm for my own 00:11:39.750 --> 00:11:44.929 for my own personal use on at one point my eyeballs was also 00:11:44.929 --> 00:11:48.028 all students at your grad student at University I'll 00:11:48.028 --> 00:11:51.139 let peter deutsch lettin you know that 00:11:51.139 --> 00:11:54.708 I'm somebody was asking for you know to date could 00:11:54.708 --> 00:11:57.979 somebody tell them where arm 00:11:57.980 --> 00:12:01.879 emails pretty creepy software was and 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:06.659 I we from we see 00:12:06.659 --> 00:12:10.198 you know he came in ASCII you at this database iniki mostly 00:12:10.198 --> 00:12:14.179 if I I could help out tonight gave it to him in it you know 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:18.000 Pakistan pack a minute later I had the information and so he put this 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.389 yeah posting online and I'll 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:24.490 people then started asking well you know 00:12:24.490 --> 00:12:27.919 can you find this from Ian in all these manual request 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:32.159 basically either through email or Usenet postings which is what we're using 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.208 time and he thought was a silly that's not quite doing these things manually 00:12:36.208 --> 00:12:38.359 one week just allow people access 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.889 to the database itself and in a moment of insanity 00:12:42.889 --> 00:12:46.708 I we have to come up with a name for it and I said okay well let's just call it 00:12:46.708 --> 00:12:51.708 archie which is our client without be and dad are 00:12:51.708 --> 00:12:54.828 and with a no vote so out both here for months 00:12:54.828 --> 00:12:59.539 we were consuming what's happened all high quality traffic to Eastern Canada 00:12:59.539 --> 00:13:04.259 on as this search engine became his people 00:13:04.259 --> 00:13:08.188 you know work now I you you know people who know RGR 00:13:08.188 --> 00:13:12.969 generally people up a certain age I won't mention what what ages but 00:13:12.970 --> 00:13:17.889 and it's generally people who were in university or working 00:13:17.889 --> 00:13:22.019 on the internet so it would have been researched people people in academia 00:13:22.019 --> 00:13:25.490 I in the early 90s orgiastic for 00:13:25.490 --> 00:13:28.779 about I am a.m. 00:13:28.779 --> 00:13:32.230 five years for five years %uh and 00:13:32.230 --> 00:13:35.409 only in next st PE archives it never 00:13:35.409 --> 00:13:38.769 I'll index where now I went on 00:13:38.769 --> 00:13:43.799 as or TJ popular and I got one ball in the standards policies not gonna stop I 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:44.529 worked 00:13:44.529 --> 00:13:48.250 of very closely with Tim berners-lee to I am 00:13:48.250 --> 00:13:51.429 to standardize for example I did the and Graham 00:13:51.429 --> 00:13:55.669 media the standard-setting body to the Internet DCI 88 00:13:55.669 --> 00:13:59.088 I to standardize URL's because 00:13:59.089 --> 00:14:02.760 10 had come up with a set of above rules the world and the 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:05.779 as me looked at expanding that's larger range 00:14:05.779 --> 00:14:09.519 out %uh resources we realize that what rules did not 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.649 on a ver all cases so we worked 00:14:12.649 --> 00:14:17.470 for our 10 brought that specification his original specification to the 00:14:17.470 --> 00:14:21.160 to group and we worked on it for I don't remember 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:25.049 might not see a year or so it come up with a standard for you or else so all 00:14:25.049 --> 00:14:26.929 of those you're also use 00:14:26.929 --> 00:14:30.279 day in and day out world were standardized as a result 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:34.669 all what many so it was I it was a really exciting time 00:14:34.669 --> 00:14:38.969 it was at time out by you know the question I always get is why did 00:14:38.970 --> 00:14:42.790 I make a billion dollars of a bit and I keep reminding people that 00:14:42.789 --> 00:14:46.349 are mostly people who are pioneers with the accepted Mr 00:14:46.350 --> 00:14:49.379 edmark and Jason arm or 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:52.990 didn't make a whole lot of money off with the squirrel 00:14:52.990 --> 00:14:57.240 the switch in the plains we were working in an environment which 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.419 I'll put a premium on I'll 00:15:00.419 --> 00:15:03.828 you're getting the technology out there making it is widely available as 00:15:03.828 --> 00:15:04.809 possible 00:15:04.809 --> 00:15:08.739 I tens big coup with Sharon which is the 00:15:08.740 --> 00:15:11.948 organization that work for when we first develop where 00:15:11.948 --> 00:15:15.188 was two guests earned to put I'll 00:15:15.188 --> 00:15:18.568 the the HDD where software that he agreed 00:15:18.568 --> 00:15:22.208 into the public to me all so it wasn't even choose to give away 00:15:22.208 --> 00:15:26.049 it was surgeons property as it as an employee 00:15:26.049 --> 00:15:30.359 he it was actually belong to Sir and down 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:34.419 I she he actually convince them to be able to 00:15:34.419 --> 00:15:37.659 but in the public domain what's what really all 00:15:37.659 --> 00:15:40.688 17 Center with a firearm with the whole 00:15:40.688 --> 00:15:44.328 so I'll at the time the the 00:15:44.328 --> 00:15:48.409 philosophy behind it it's really let's get this out there this is a brave new 00:15:48.409 --> 00:15:52.219 world we don't know what's what all this technology can be used for 00:15:52.220 --> 00:15:56.199 I don't think any of us including 10 imagine what it would become 00:15:56.198 --> 00:15:59.729 a you know he he always had a much grander vision a bit 00:15:59.730 --> 00:16:04.579 but I don't I I can guarantee you I spent many many many many in our 00:16:04.578 --> 00:16:08.859 and I with David sandbar is changing it then and I can't guarantee you that 00:16:08.860 --> 00:16:11.980 he did not suit anymore certain 00:16:11.980 --> 00:16:15.079 I'm I should dare and 00:16:15.078 --> 00:16:19.099 you know he even he I don't think having idea that it would 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:22.899 a CD take over the world attack the world's population will be using this 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:23.938 system or 00:16:23.938 --> 00:16:28.698 he created twenty years later to anybody 00:16:28.698 --> 00:16:32.409 or thank you so much I mean so 00:16:32.409 --> 00:16:36.188 speaking and threats yeah it has I'm 00:16:36.188 --> 00:16:39.480 changed and I guess 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.740 taken over in a way I that me 00:16:42.740 --> 00:16:46.009 that mean I'm sure wouldn't have expected a 00:16:46.009 --> 00:16:49.088 I wanted to now move to Josh 00:16:49.089 --> 00:16:53.140 and judge were not I'll cool are both 00:16:53.139 --> 00:16:56.289 perini I'll who 00:16:56.289 --> 00:17:00.198 very committed involves 00:17:00.198 --> 00:17:03.918 leaders and what is now become 00:17:03.918 --> 00:17:07.618 a global at for two 00:17:07.618 --> 00:17:11.938 mean the way it was surprising in to save the Internet or preserve and 00:17:11.939 --> 00:17:12.919 protect 00:17:12.919 --> 00:17:16.199 to open this on and all up to 00:17:16.199 --> 00:17:19.619 right to tree expression access 00:17:19.618 --> 00:17:23.417 on and up also privacy that have 00:17:23.419 --> 00:17:27.369 that me all would feel are embedded actually 00:17:27.368 --> 00:17:30.399 in the way that it was bill so 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.710 Josh I wonder if you could explain to us really briefly what 00:17:34.710 --> 00:17:39.179 your where your role is in your organization and then also 00:17:39.179 --> 00:17:43.650 on tell us about the web we want campaign 00:17:43.650 --> 00:17:47.880 and explain you know how you think this 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.610 rights movement is is shaping up and 00:17:51.609 --> 00:17:55.678 and if you can kinda link it with everything that Allen just laid out for 00:17:55.679 --> 00:17:56.120 us 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.349 out to be really wonderful although my best so 00:18:00.349 --> 00:18:04.369 my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press where 00:18:04.369 --> 00:18:09.099 us-based organization we advocate for 00:18:09.099 --> 00:18:12.599 better technology media policy that allows 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.659 or an open Internet or better representation 00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:18.910 people in the media including in and an immediate 00:18:18.910 --> 00:18:22.190 thats online and for open access 00:18:22.190 --> 00:18:26.230 information and this Asian ever talk method 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:30.500 anniversary at the web has really central to our work because we've been 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:31.058 fighting 00:18:31.058 --> 00:18:34.349 for example to you at past 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:38.089 strong mentality policies here in the US for years 00:18:38.089 --> 00:18:41.819 at basically ever since the issue first came up with the mid 2000's 00:18:41.819 --> 00:18:44.819 missile big internet service providers blocking 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:48.379 trafficking coming from their destinations and 00:18:48.380 --> 00:18:52.270 that fight is ongoing the FCC to better communications commission here in the US 00:18:52.269 --> 00:18:52.849 which 00:18:52.849 --> 00:18:56.709 is charged with overseeing communications and technology policy 00:18:56.710 --> 00:19:02.079 past rules in 2010 they were intended to protect me chali but we're passing our 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:05.649 in a way that we knew what was gonna hold up in court 00:19:05.650 --> 00:19:09.519 anywhere as unfortunately we saw that 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:13.720 happened earlier this year when I court in Washington DC 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.509 throughout those roles effectively throwing out any net neutrality 00:19:16.509 --> 00:19:18.140 protections that people have 00:19:18.140 --> 00:19:21.540 and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy were saying 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:24.678 the internet versus the web right so when we're talking about net neutrality 00:19:24.679 --> 00:19:26.330 which I have a lot of people 00:19:26.329 --> 00:19:29.389 heard about this on Sat that you should be able to access 00:19:29.390 --> 00:19:33.320 any information on why online without anybody getting in the way 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.519 out with it that's a big company or the government 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.779 an that is essentially 00:19:39.779 --> 00:19:45.160 that's it a policy that applies to the Internet to the ways in which all are 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.390 computers connect with each other and we have this basic understanding 00:19:48.390 --> 00:19:52.610 that the internet should be reno it meaning that my computer should be able 00:19:52.609 --> 00:19:57.038 next yours into this well networked computers without any entity 00:19:57.038 --> 00:20:00.950 inspecting the traffic trying to understand what you're trying to access 00:20:00.950 --> 00:20:05.390 and based on that are in a blog so it doesn't like the video watching slowing 00:20:05.390 --> 00:20:06.309 it down our 00:20:06.308 --> 00:20:10.869 denied application using walking it that that should be totally unacceptable we 00:20:10.869 --> 00:20:12.029 should be able to net 00:20:12.029 --> 00:20:15.788 to whatever we want in whatever way we want and that includes using the web 00:20:15.788 --> 00:20:17.160 rights to the web 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:20.690 is basically an application that ride over the Internet 00:20:20.690 --> 00:20:24.110 the internet says global network the weather is just one application that 00:20:24.109 --> 00:20:24.619 uses that 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:28.649 or network and so it is essential net challenged essential using where the 00:20:28.650 --> 00:20:33.090 as as we've seen today using the web is so essential to all our lives 00:20:33.089 --> 00:20:36.759 and big companies and governments have so much power over it 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:41.029 bad at the inn block alright things political speech 00:20:41.029 --> 00:20:44.089 video that you want to watch features a cat there so 00:20:44.089 --> 00:20:47.428 I'm anyway so that's what the press is doing in large part is trying to protect 00:20:47.429 --> 00:20:47.940 that notion 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:51.759 net neutrality and wall added that fight 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.839 came a number campaign link their at me 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:59.019 stock so it was that bad copyright they'll your get your the US 00:20:59.019 --> 00:21:02.889 and after that you know realization I think here the US around the world that 00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:03.650 we are needed 00:21:03.650 --> 00:21:06.740 I each other a little bit or those of us who have been 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:11.558 advocating for reopen it for a long time and so we started doing that 00:21:11.558 --> 00:21:14.548 repressed led the development and wrapping up something called the 00:21:14.548 --> 00:21:16.069 decoration etc reno 00:21:16.069 --> 00:21:20.329 which was a simple statement of principles out they are right to access 00:21:20.329 --> 00:21:21.779 information online 00:21:21.779 --> 00:21:25.750 and Adam backing up really fruitful relationship with Tim berners-lee 00:21:25.750 --> 00:21:29.058 organization the world wide web foundation 00:21:29.058 --> 00:21:32.649 and we discussed ways in which we could move that effort 00:21:32.650 --> 00:21:35.660 forward this you that declaration effort 00:21:35.660 --> 00:21:39.880 to involve more troops around the world more people around the world 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.890 and shit guarantee that we all have access to information 00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:47.390 and that that access and the principles behind it 00:21:47.390 --> 00:21:51.299 are not a demanded any one country or anyone 00:21:51.298 --> 00:21:56.369 it also added that in this great project the web we want which we're not going to 00:21:56.369 --> 00:21:57.869 tell you more about 00:21:57.869 --> 00:22:00.909 which is seeking to do just that to you 00:22:00.910 --> 00:22:04.788 pass laws around the world that will protect people's right to access the 00:22:04.788 --> 00:22:05.140 internet 00:22:05.140 --> 00:22:09.350 into to access content on the web without anybody getting in the way 00:22:09.349 --> 00:22:14.319 and its its building steam very very quickly 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.200 we are working with countries around the world developed their own set of 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.640 principles regarding the webinar rights on it 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:23.900 and organizing lot smarter organizations that it really excited 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:28.720 by getting involved in this effort and art remote uniting 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.660 gross we're all fighting the same by departs the world is 00:22:32.660 --> 00:22:37.890 had come to light so I let me not to tell you more about that 00:22:37.890 --> 00:22:41.120 and hello everyone everybody'd 3d 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.558 want me here a solo the way we want 00:22:44.558 --> 00:22:49.899 it would be set luncheon of a 00:22:49.900 --> 00:22:54.580 a very important group of organizations FMC society and we'll 00:22:54.579 --> 00:22:58.048 mention other then and Eve access 00:22:58.048 --> 00:23:01.288 that many of us are from you every EPC 00:23:01.288 --> 00:23:06.259 athlete Brett from the US its leader in jordan Eberle 00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:09.740 the open-source Association dorgan as well 00:23:09.740 --> 00:23:14.839 and a consumers international 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:20.639 and article nineteen that's the only thing about God's mercy O 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:25.150 I V 40 gb/s public knowledge she in the US 00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:29.429 and me we have the we got the confirmation that 00:23:29.429 --> 00:23:32.929 Open Knowledge Foundation which has affiliate is over 00:23:32.929 --> 00:23:36.269 war doing this book ASO 00:23:36.269 --> 00:23:40.179 basically they can be what we are trying to achieve a here 00:23:40.179 --> 00:23:43.370 you do and more from their reactions because the 00:23:43.369 --> 00:23:47.529 reactions that lets users say you you outcropping approach 00:23:47.529 --> 00:23:50.599 you have a positive agenda like this a first 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:55.069 in different countries and a note so nobody 00:23:55.069 --> 00:24:00.359 and what happens is usually the we got together let me know and we reacted 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.750 badly to his nation be 00:24:01.750 --> 00:24:05.558 alls a everybody either and 00:24:05.558 --> 00:24:08.769 specific purpose a interest what very creative 00:24:08.769 --> 00:24:12.509 but not so well-informed legislator 00:24:12.509 --> 00:24:15.849 and in so you the last 00:24:15.849 --> 00:24:19.709 let's say five years we have seen so many mobile stations 00:24:19.710 --> 00:24:23.319 against against against so we think that 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:28.470 yeses want to have a a reaction bad legislation but he's much more effective 00:24:28.470 --> 00:24:28.900 the 00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:31.990 also people to use the Site a nobody 00:24:31.990 --> 00:24:35.298 XTS is a be understood us the whole 00:24:35.298 --> 00:24:40.240 18 works Bentley FB you should be using the Internet government but seems as a 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:41.089 few 00:24:41.089 --> 00:24:45.490 moline everyone enough I well rights 00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:49.538 and so and we would have a deeper and 00:24:49.538 --> 00:24:53.190 DVD sandifer Nationals it to achieve that 00:24:53.190 --> 00:24:57.159 their personal be in Ben's work in specific countries 00:24:57.159 --> 00:25:02.080 wieder it we a you get all the Advisory Committee 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.579 so that there's something going on there some movement in society in there so 00:25:06.579 --> 00:25:11.049 action there it is sOooo believe the country's between the 00:25:11.049 --> 00:25:14.409 week at that decided you get that first it 00:25:14.410 --> 00:25:18.650 and got to use a button and more stronger support 00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:22.350 from the one a what we won by Jenson would be 00:25:22.349 --> 00:25:26.619 just bad Indonesia Philippines India found that they expressed to you 00:25:26.619 --> 00:25:32.079 it with your YouTube the UK Nisha aunty react Kenya 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.069 and so happy so as you see each other 00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:40.480 mostly condition that no one cell outside the UK be good you 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.910 a saw an opportunity there yes well so that every Christian 00:25:44.910 --> 00:25:50.600 rights and be very interesting to see how the deterioration 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.769 rights in the country even had been taken in a democratic country villa 00:25:54.769 --> 00:25:57.950 in years has been very extreme is that is really 00:25:57.950 --> 00:26:02.220 affecting the region Anna apart from you 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:06.970 a in Ben's work that we have blended national dialogue scene is going to say 00:26:06.970 --> 00:26:10.569 warm it well and we have also and we are left 00:26:10.569 --> 00:26:15.359 1820 parts of March a meeting routes as well 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.469 at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone to apply 00:26:18.470 --> 00:26:21.940 so you don't need to be an NGO you don't need to be a 00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:25.740 a an expert like that for these plants when we will these 00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:29.500 normal people Archies musicians everyone 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:34.359 it to be involved in the simple a.m. request once the celebrated are key 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:38.779 or working with but at the same time that was 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00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:25.960 so we have a but it would response a 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.819 grants and these rapid response plans have for 00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:34.919 it we it have I didn't buy that sometimes the make some be 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:38.779 happened in its own resources especially in some punches in the levels out so 00:27:38.779 --> 00:27:43.299 for example did think about that very bad surveillance local 00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:47.470 last Ian nicaragua so these rapid response 00:27:47.470 --> 00:27:52.029 a which will be open during the whole give me love activist see 00:27:52.029 --> 00:27:55.039 nascent me very bad things happen 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.099 and we think that if we it got another Google 00:27:58.099 --> 00:28:01.459 people together and we read the 00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:04.960 and it lets in the evening get assure PD about that 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:09.289 we have a good chance to as she that their opinion 00:28:09.289 --> 00:28:14.019 our site there's decided rights and so that would be open as well 00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:17.869 it would be that would be up in the or so at my and March 00:28:17.869 --> 00:28:21.149 and you will be we may not be too late for year 00:28:21.150 --> 00:28:25.759 and what we will at she but the end of the year is that very interesting 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.339 and when it should have experience we will see it 00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:32.579 and that web it went well 00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:36.589 people won't in a specific country with more intense the 00:28:36.589 --> 00:28:41.119 follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a scene which techniques 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.739 I did this for rapid response went their separate you know of any Burnett 00:28:45.740 --> 00:28:50.599 it by adding the collection experiences from the rapid response plans 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.679 and as a wee wee letter from at ways to engage 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:58.120 uploader Monique use a in our topics in our issues 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.069 so I I am very hopeful that especially artists 00:29:02.069 --> 00:29:05.409 very creative activists it went for 00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:08.490 I'm ways to engage in a broader public because the 00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:12.259 need a he's ours and their 00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:15.849 future eat the Benson also Serafini and more 00:29:15.849 --> 00:29:19.959 it people invited me despite more was the strong and you get 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:24.279 a a at last I i will. 00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:28.119 and we'll elected by everyone to 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:33.069 to being a slick here the way that you can gauge to use 00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:36.700 i'm nina and need to apply for these grants will 00:29:36.700 --> 00:29:40.100 not only pure bedford is Lansing to make in 20 00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:44.569 I it you only if you want to write an article 00:29:44.569 --> 00:29:48.869 you are an expert in specific topics it he's great articles 00:29:48.869 --> 00:29:52.299 News shared knowledge with people and peace it engage in that 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:55.700 them yet but that the egos headed 00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:59.269 here where author sauce and the Internet offers those 00:29:59.269 --> 00:30:02.609 use them for two people communicate and panicking and borders and they've been 00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:03.000 there 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.259 it's lonely here a.m. the list that phone 00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:10.549 it which is not that a website but he said that 00:30:10.549 --> 00:30:14.789 on and made of the connecti that he's ready to 00:30:14.789 --> 00:30:18.029 jumper and and do 00:30:18.029 --> 00:30:21.609 think actions to say that with any moment that using in the 00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:25.269 let so yes 00:30:25.269 --> 00:30:28.539 what's it you well 00:30:28.539 --> 00:30:32.119 thanks that's really I think it's great to serve to have that out there for 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:33.519 people to understand 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.660 all the way so they can get involved 00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:40.558 wanting right so in thinking about how can we make 00:30:40.558 --> 00:30:43.680 a little show today that would celebrate the web 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.130 I couldn't help but think about Global Voices 00:30:47.130 --> 00:30:50.490 because that's what brings us all together here 00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:55.329 and I think that our community and so many ways 00:30:55.329 --> 00:30:59.000 I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't exist without the web 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.579 but doctor also so many on particular 00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:07.699 attributes ovett in when it comes to access and openness that 00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:11.500 allow us to do all the things that we do like including this 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:16.359 hang out right now I'm so I wanted to ask 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.819 although we're really short on time so I'm gonna have to asking to be super 00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:20.460 presh 00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:24.460 but chair you I kinda I said is there could you talk 00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:29.670 a little bit about what with if you look at Global Voices 00:31:29.670 --> 00:31:32.890 answered the way that it's grown-up on 00:31:32.890 --> 00:31:37.450 with the Internet you've been here since the beginning so you can kinda wish 00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:40.620 just tell us tell us a bit 00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:43.909 okay well I I actually haven't been 00:31:43.910 --> 00:31:47.220 where at Global Voices since the very beginning 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:51.009 but I joined near the start so maybe you can see on my screen 00:31:51.009 --> 00:31:54.019 Global Voices we started actually in 2005 00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:57.119 I and one of the great things about the story 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.419 is that it was started 00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:02.590 quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman 00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:05.899 arm who set up the original site I 00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:10.070 along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out worked on the idea content and so 00:32:10.069 --> 00:32:13.720 they actually used word press which is this system we still use today 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:18.200 and which is very similar to the web in a lot of sense is 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:23.049 I because it's a distributed project people all around the world develop it 00:32:23.049 --> 00:32:26.210 its open source and it's free and it is so 00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:30.470 not by convenience but by very explicit philosophy and they're very active in 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:31.350 defending Mac 00:32:31.349 --> 00:32:35.240 arm and also in another way I originally 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:40.220 I at the time there was a very popular free software called movable type 00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:44.430 which became commercial and instead sign a paper at people 00:32:44.430 --> 00:32:48.400 switch to Word Press I'm so this was our original website 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.650 we later redesigned it several times I 00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:55.740 and over the years we have grown with 00:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.730 I Word Press to at take advantage of the new features 00:33:00.730 --> 00:33:06.750 and I keep running our site and sell running are 00:33:06.750 --> 00:33:11.410 our whole infrastructure on this very decentralized open source model has been 00:33:11.410 --> 00:33:14.700 I really rewarding experience for us are just as 00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:18.220 using the web has then obviously I there what are the most interesting 00:33:18.220 --> 00:33:22.430 things is that Global Voices is all about the web without the web without 00:33:22.430 --> 00:33:22.980 that 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:26.539 decentralized of the ship anyone can write to it there would be no Global 00:33:26.539 --> 00:33:27.129 Voices 00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:31.430 the whole point in little ways as well as to recognize that people all over the 00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:33.900 world were taking advantage of the benefits of the web 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:37.630 and create one place where you can find it sort of like a archie wise 00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:41.760 I with GE pre web telnet days 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.769 a archive things happening all around 00:33:44.769 --> 00:33:47.879 I've got Google Voice is dead arm 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.120 so yeah no and 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.859 you know we've tried a lot of different infrastructure based around the web over 00:33:54.859 --> 00:33:55.589 the years 00:33:55.589 --> 00:34:00.259 I we you strip all reviews a lot of different online service that is 00:34:00.259 --> 00:34:01.970 obviously like everyone else 00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:05.870 the temptation to take advantage of Google's free offerings has always been 00:34:05.869 --> 00:34:10.159 are part of Global Voices DNA we use Google mailing lists we use 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.349 I all the different things that they make for free 00:34:13.349 --> 00:34:16.809 which is an interesting part of the web because it's not the web that Google 00:34:16.809 --> 00:34:20.518 just happening to give it away but at the company they have a tendency to 00:34:20.518 --> 00:34:22.159 follow the spirit of the web 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.190 I even though they're doing so for commercial reasons 00:34:25.190 --> 00:34:29.309 up but yeah that Mike 00:34:29.309 --> 00:34:32.659 it very brief summary of the history always given how to parallel the web 00:34:32.659 --> 00:34:38.299 thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to wrap up now but 00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:41.560 just to do that I wanted to ask for 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.980 a couple love kinda final thoughts um 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:49.969 from from Allen and perhaps also Josh just 00:34:49.969 --> 00:34:53.250 I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:57.440 interested in if there are kinda thoughts that you have on all of the 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.269 activism and advocacy that's taking place around 00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:04.539 fundamental rights on the internet kinda from from 00:35:04.539 --> 00:35:06.130 your own 00:35:06.130 --> 00:35:09.340 unique historical perspective and then 00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:13.700 I wanted to close on by asking or not it's just tell 00:35:13.699 --> 00:35:16.939 ass very little bit about Basle 00:35:16.940 --> 00:35:21.099 I'm since there's also an important anniversary this weekend 00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:25.440 %uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go and then we will 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.269 close-up won't end well arm 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:33.059 you know I'll I have I haven't been involved 00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:36.889 awesome activists for a for a quite some time now 00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:40.039 year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol biatch 00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.699 I'll lying around the globe and and at the mall except maybe the nineties 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:48.759 I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of attention to that stuff 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.220 a I am currently in Barbados right now 00:35:52.219 --> 00:35:55.299 and down it has been really interesting to 00:35:55.300 --> 00:35:58.950 trying out for one example trying to access content 00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:03.519 from United States om all your entertainment content action star 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.750 and II manual to study read but 00:36:06.750 --> 00:36:09.969 a real it but in in practice the 00:36:09.969 --> 00:36:14.269 antiquated models I'll %uh of content distribution 00:36:14.269 --> 00:36:18.349 that we are still holding onto om in this day in age 00:36:18.349 --> 00:36:21.480 where no geographical boundaries and national boundaries not 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.809 on Sat are still very much at once entropies business models 00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:28.849 a get you know our are not things like 00:36:28.849 --> 00:36:32.009 but our internet esta whiten way at it on 00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:35.420 well I see no music industry a seamless happen now for 00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:38.630 ethnic I'm I would certainly from the actors 00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:42.320 on you in terms of keeping the the Internet I'm freaking 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.980 and unavailable its are it's going to be a real challenge I mean it's such a 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.699 important technology now and you have things like a great 00:36:49.699 --> 00:36:53.639 wall are the Great Firewall of China Omni power 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.309 you know russia recently as a while yesterday today 00:36:57.309 --> 00:37:02.699 shutting down I'll using got new laws to shut down access to 00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:06.059 guess at I against hooting I'll 00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:09.199 you know this getting reelected are I'm 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.879 egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot of people on the use of social 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:13.820 networking 00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:17.230 I'll juju organize an activity on 00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:20.699 people and bring them up onto the sheets so governments are scared this 00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:21.539 technology 00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.929 and it's important that we worked really hard to keep it is 00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:28.069 this reason is because they realize that not for me chin 00:37:28.070 --> 00:37:31.720 are you talking to mention you control the people so I'm 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.399 I think it is a strange journey partner people I 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.250 let's just do not want to continue to work are very hard to you 00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:42.730 to stop the battle Austin form below the Legislature's 00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:46.590 summer just another eight rats I mean you know never ascribe to malice what 00:37:46.590 --> 00:37:47.039 will be 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.199 ascribed to incompetence and on these people are just incompetent not not 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:52.909 malicious 00:37:52.909 --> 00:37:56.809 I'll but they are people who are malicious as well so we have to deal 00:37:56.809 --> 00:37:57.679 with them as well 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.049 but top it's you know it's vitally important the yes 00:38:01.050 --> 00:38:04.420 I nowadays not be these technologies reset 00:38:04.420 --> 00:38:11.420 at the core or culture and the way we communicate on may 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:17.929 I me others at 10 quickly at 00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:21.480 I think that we read in your interesting moment where 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.789 so many basic knowledge the 00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:28.789 importance on the internet and no nowhere ands 00:38:28.789 --> 00:38:32.920 be impact it's had a on every aspect of our 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.409 culture and and because of that I think we as the 00:38:36.409 --> 00:38:40.199 users at the where into the internet have 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.819 a duty to hold the government 00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:49.039 governments around the world in companies around the world accountable 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.219 and to you its 00:38:52.219 --> 00:38:56.619 urge them and pressure them to protect the openness 00:38:56.619 --> 00:39:00.799 that lies at the core I'll this entire 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.210 name and to protect not just openness but 00:39:04.210 --> 00:39:07.269 also this notion 0 comments thats 00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:10.989 I in our opinion quickly being lost 00:39:10.989 --> 00:39:14.789 this notion that the that the internet and that the web are 00:39:14.789 --> 00:39:17.869 I'll are publicly on and that 00:39:17.869 --> 00:39:22.289 it the activity that takes place on them as activity that we 00:39:22.289 --> 00:39:26.199 undertake net me it that is ours and that is not baby 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.519 mean up the big companies on his platforms 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.710 me undertake the activity so for example 00:39:32.710 --> 00:39:36.340 google has allowed us to do a lot of things Google 00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:39.460 lost by a lot of information extremely quickly 00:39:39.460 --> 00:39:42.679 to connect to each other extremely well he is not working at 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.449 are doing right now but Google's doing all this and 00:39:46.449 --> 00:39:49.509 at while mining the data to get 00:39:49.510 --> 00:39:54.300 selling of that data that data is also creating this historic all 00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:58.340 record up everything then search warrants a online which has been no 00:39:58.340 --> 00:40:02.160 exploited by governments but also by companies as I think it's time for us to 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.379 think about that relationship between us 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:09.210 and these big companies which is becoming essential part of our 00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:14.570 online experience and have to me the centralized that happen we 00:40:14.570 --> 00:40:17.860 decouple ourselves from these giant companies and take back 00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:22.940 or should I wear so that we are all in this experience in a deeper way and that 00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:26.630 it's not and experience is purely commercial and a commercial transaction 00:40:26.630 --> 00:40:27.970 between us and 00:40:27.969 --> 00:40:31.799 and if a company so that that's a big question spent eight years for travel it 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:38.800 right solutions but we're hoping that we can start it our station now 00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:47.300 well now now I'm not and now and we go back to something that 00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:52.690 germs set and he left a but that he met means that you did in the 00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:56.099 border Canadian border because the happier 00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:59.679 and now with a while I want to talk about the set that up 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.339 at the end of the day yourself we've reduced 00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:06.630 a number of people who can actually 00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:10.619 eat some countries and not control the internet but you see 00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:14.909 Eden you understand the infrastructure and use it in a way 00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:18.039 that the weekend increase public who and they can 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.710 to help people in extreme situations and 10 did 00:41:21.710 --> 00:41:25.539 it these people he said my friend but he kept happy 00:41:25.539 --> 00:41:29.630 battle back to lead the Internet basically 00:41:29.630 --> 00:41:34.269 Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian activities 00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:38.500 and he said i think is the food culture and your clothes he said you know he's 00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:40.619 not that he had not super nationalist 00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.819 you keep keep he had trouble lol extensively 00:41:43.820 --> 00:41:48.940 here Rams over two were and he liked that he likes to spend time 00:41:48.940 --> 00:41:53.470 and learning how things water I'll in separate so that you think will 00:41:53.469 --> 00:41:58.169 the computers and he has learned it himself healthy 00:41:58.170 --> 00:42:02.059 up to the gold that it brings the own goal 00:42:02.059 --> 00:42:06.409 then he was a he knows a lot about hardware as well and he knows and 00:42:06.409 --> 00:42:09.589 about we coach or and and he said I'm 00:42:09.590 --> 00:42:14.170 and when he so hey there You or was he so all these 00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:17.750 wonderful things happen and and said he thought the 00:42:17.750 --> 00:42:21.230 Britain's the create hacker space in the baskets 00:42:21.230 --> 00:42:24.510 I don't know how translation what's what in the 00:42:24.510 --> 00:42:28.820 apparently hackerspace what's a very scary Lord forgive CBN 00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:32.039 as is to be and you don't answer me this: 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.989 and they saw it as a threat the people in power grid technology acid great 00:42:37.989 --> 00:42:41.389 who don't plan to control people paso's 00:42:41.389 --> 00:42:44.480 here on the 15 up December 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.750 two years ago they hackerspace with greater 00:42:48.750 --> 00:42:52.409 all the computers where they cannot wait all the things with this month opened 00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:52.739 him up 00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:56.599 and united in wanna be set up Syrian please looking at that 00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.299 reedy reader only goal well the nato the delaney 00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:03.730 nuclear weapons or something like that %uh and 00:43:03.730 --> 00:43:06.960 73 he have enough a weighty and he had been 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.240 recently was that he see West the 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.399 in a very very bad reason so did 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.960 orchard treatment but then he was a things through that book I feel 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.220 at thousands of people he was it we passed 00:43:21.219 --> 00:43:24.509 her back to his VM recent we each 00:43:24.510 --> 00:43:27.660 you can imagine how even deep is the civilian prison 00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:31.858 how is this looks like and you he said a 00:43:31.858 --> 00:43:34.880 the conditions get but worse 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.559 a that goes by and the Syrian government once 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.358 out all were resources the last people really 00:43:42.358 --> 00:43:46.819 feed the last people they would take care all are the prisoners 00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:51.120 on the book that last release it has a a health condition 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.259 he's all relief that but 00:43:54.260 --> 00:43:58.560 me yeah what we me happy intrepid building at least it two years 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:03.690 is the keeping baseball and didn't keep reminding him that we haven't forgotten 00:44:03.690 --> 00:44:06.829 and to keep reminded you that we yeah 00:44:06.829 --> 00:44:11.719 in braided values that he embraces the that support the cause is that he 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.379 seen supports school a been up to 00:44:15.380 --> 00:44:19.400 think you know the you know just been saddened but nothing 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.030 we have been deeply baffled they the 15 of March 00:44:23.030 --> 00:44:27.450 what some things are already starting today and what we want is that joint 00:44:27.449 --> 00:44:28.119 action 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.259 a Bleezy mean and 00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:35.460 you can be it do remember bottle and not only battle 00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:40.519 but remember Syria because it seems that because if the new laws media's 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.269 it we don't we don't be a hear about Syria and more 00:44:44.269 --> 00:44:48.179 I mean it's is like good in December been on the popular 00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:52.108 and we we will if we got some timely 00:44:52.108 --> 00:44:55.819 were OK and something is good but neither the symbol 00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:59.870 have well but then a vote no on the suffering and together we to 00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:03.420 wood bats and I'm not sober system administrators 00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:06.769 computer experts and had a fierce 00:45:06.769 --> 00:45:11.050 what I recent so that we only care about journalists in others lots of people 00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:12.300 that somebody will people 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:16.170 for the future Syria and who would increase in our 00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:19.320 what the we need our solidarity 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.609 I mean let's elect to even you're leaving a gun T 00:45:22.608 --> 00:45:25.759 air which has received a Syrian refugees 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.109 you show your solidarity I know that share on your computer 00:45:30.108 --> 00:45:34.569 mind some appealing but maybe go won the nineteen a computer 00:45:34.570 --> 00:45:37.730 with internet access this refugee camp so they can 00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:41.050 stay in touch with their reluctance that growth may be 00:45:41.050 --> 00:45:45.140 do enough to shark tall coach ashore gathering 00:45:45.139 --> 00:45:48.579 your day I think that that there was no with ways who 00:45:48.579 --> 00:45:52.569 help battle because that's what what but it probably will be between if you must 00:45:52.570 --> 00:45:53.559 be 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.820 so my feeling is that not forget Syria 00:45:56.820 --> 00:46:00.220 not forget that so that free internet if the 00:46:00.219 --> 00:46:03.679 up the internet with the bath and this year and that's 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:08.529 we might want action what is the web she wants 00:46:08.530 --> 00:46:12.350 where many about on so there is a lot of work to do 00:46:12.349 --> 00:46:16.299 I'm and there are lots of ways to get involved 00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:20.230 Street right about I think you everybody so much 00:46:20.230 --> 00:46:24.800 for coming on today and um 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.039 we hope to see you everybody here and 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.480 out there next week on GB face thanks so much