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Gene editing can now change an entire species -- forever

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    So this is a talk about gene drives,
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    but I'm going to start by
    telling you a brief story.
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    20 years ago, a biologist
    named Anthony James
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    got obsessed with the idea
    of making mosquitos
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    that didn't transmit malaria.
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    It was a great idea, and pretty
    much a complete failure.
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    For one thing, it turned
    out to be really hard
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    to make a malaria resistant mosquito.
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    James managed it, finally,
    just a few years ago
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    by adding some genes
    that make it impossible
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    for the malaria parasite
    to survive inside the mosquito.
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    But that just created another problem.
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    Now that you've got a
    malaria-resistant mosquito,
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    how do you get it to replace
    all the malaria-carrying mosquitos?
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    There are a couple options,
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    but plan A was basically to breed up
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    a bunch of the new
    genetically-engineered mosquitos
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    release them into the wild,
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    and hope that they pass on their genes.
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    The problem was that you'd
    have to release
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    literally 10x the number of native
    mosquitos to work.
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    So in a village with 10,000 mosquitos,
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    you release an extra 100,000.
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    As you might guess, this was not
    a very popular strategy
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    with the villagers.
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    (Laughter)
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    Then, last January, Anthony James
    got an email
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    from a biologist named
    Ethan Bier.
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    Bier said that he and his grad student,
    Valentino Gantz,
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    had stumbled on a tool that could
    not only guarentee
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    that a particular genetic trait
    would be inherited,
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    but that it would spread
    incredibly quickly.
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    If they were right, it would basically
    solve the problem
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    that he and James had been
    working on for 20 years.
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    As a test, they engineered
    two mosquitos
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    to carry the anti-malaria gene
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    and also this new tool,
    a gene drive,
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    which I'll explain in a minute.
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    Finally, they set it up so that
    any mosquitos
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    that had inherited the
    anti-malaria gene
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    wouldn't have the usual white eyes,
    but would instead have red eyes.
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    That was pretty much just
    for convenience
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    so they could tell just at a glance
    which was which.
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    So they took their two
    anti-malarial, red-eyed mosquitos
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    and put them in a box with 30
    ordinary white-eyed ones
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    and let them breed.
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    In two generations, those had
    produced 38,000 grandchildren.
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    That is not the surprising part.
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    This is the surprising part:
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    Given that you started with just
    two red-eyed mosquitos
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    and 30 white-eyed ones,
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    you expect mostly white-eyed
    descendents.
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    Instead, when James opened the box,
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    all 38,000 mosquitos had red eyes.
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    When I asked Ethan Bier
    about this moment,
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    he became so excited, tht he was
    literally shouting into the phone.
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    That's because getting only
    red-eyed mosquitos
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    violates a rule that is the
    absolute cornerstone of biology,
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    Mendelian genetics.
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    I'll keep this quick,
    but Mendelian genetics
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    says when a male and a female mate,
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    their baby inherits half of its
    DNA from each parent.
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    So if our original mosquito was aa
    and our new mosquito is aB,
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    where B is the anti-malarial gene,
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    the babies should come out
    in four permutations:
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    aa, aB, aa, Ba.
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    Instead, with the new gene drive,
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    they all came out aB.
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    Biologically, that shouldn't
    even be possible.
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    So what happened?
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    The first thing that happened
    was the arrival
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    of a gene-editing tool
    known as CRISPR in 2012.
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    Many of you have probably heard
    about CRISPR,
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    so I'll just say briefly that CRISPR
    is a tool that allows researchers
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    to edit genes very precisely,
    easily and quickly.
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    It does this by harnessing a mechanism
    that already existed in bacteria.
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    Basically, there's a protein
    that acts like a scissors
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    and cuts the DNA,
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    and there's an RNA molecule
    that directs the scissors
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    to any point on the genome you want.
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    The result is basically a word processor
    word processor for genes.
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    You can take an entire gene out,
    put one in,
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    or even edit just a single letter
    within a gene.
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    And you can do it in nearly any species.
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    Okay, remember how I said
    that gene drives
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    originally had two problems?
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    The first was that it was hard
    to engineer a mosquito
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    to be malaria resistant.
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    That's basically gone now,
    thanks to CRISPR.
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    But the other problem was
    logistical.
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    How do you get your trait to spread?
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    This is where it gets clever.
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    A couple years ago, a biologist
    at Harvard named Kevin Esvelt
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    wondered what would happen
    if you made it so that
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    CRISPR inserted not only
    your new gene,
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    but also the machinery
    that does the cutting and pasting.
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    In other words, what if CRISPR
    also copy and pasted itself.
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    You'd end up with a perpetual
    motion machine for gene editing.
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    And that's exactly what happened.
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    This CRISPR gene drive
    that Esvelt created
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    not only guarantees that a trait
    will get passed on,
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    but if its used in the germline cell,
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    it will automatically copy and paste
    your new gene
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    into both chromosomes of every
    single individual.
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    It's like a global search and replace,
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    or in science terms, it makes
    a heterozygous trait homozygous.
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    So, what does this mean?
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    For one thing, it means we have
    a very powerful,
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    but also somewhat alarming new tool.
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    Up until now, the fact that gene drives
    didn't work very well
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    was actually kind of a relief.
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    Normally when we mess around
    with an organisms's genes,
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    we make that thing
    less evolutionarily fit.
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    So biologists can make all the mutant
    fruit flies they want
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    without worrying about it.
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    If some escape, natural selection
    just takes care of it.
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    What's remarkable and powerful
    and frightening about gene drives
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    is that that will no longer be true.
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    Assuming that your trait does not
    have a big evolutionary handicap,
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    like a mosquito that can't fly,
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    the CRISPR-based gene drive
    will spread the change relentlessly
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    until it is in every single individual
    in the population.
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    Now, it isn't easy to make
    a gene drive that works that well,
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    but James and Esvelt think
    that we can.
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    The good news is that this opens
    the door to some remarkable things.
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    If you put an anti-malarial gene drive
    in just 1 percent
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    of anopheles mosquitos,
    the species that transmits malaria.
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    Researchers estimate that it would
    spread to the entire population
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    in a year.
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    So in a year, you could virtually
    eliminate malaria.
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    In practice, we're still a few years out
    from being able to do that,
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    but sitll, a 1,000 children a day
    die of malaria.
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    In a year, that number could be
    almost zero.
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    The same goes for dengue fever,
    chicken genuang (?), yellow fever.
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    And it gets better.
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    Say you want to get rid
    of an invasive species,
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    like get Asian Carp out of
    The Great Lakes.
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    All you have to do is release
    a gene drive
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    that makes the fish produce
    only male offspring.
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    In a few generations, there'll be
    no females left, no more carp.
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    In theory, this means that we
    could restore hundreds
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    of native species that have been
    pushed to the brink.
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    Okay, that's the good news,
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    this is the bad news.
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    Gene drives are so effective,
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    that even an accidental release
    could change an entire species,
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    and often very quickly.
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    Anthony James took good precautions.
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    He breed his mosquitos in
    a bio-containment lab
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    and he also used a species
    that's not native to the US
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    so that even if some did escape,
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    they'd just die off,
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    there'd be nothing for them
    to mate with.
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    But it's also true that if
    a dozen Asian Carp
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    with the all-male gene drive accidentally
    got carried from The Great Lakes
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    back to Asia,
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    they could potentially wipe out
    the native Asian Carp population.
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    And that's not so unlikely, given
    how connected our world is.
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    In fact, it's why we have
    an invasive species problem.
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    And that's fish.
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    Things like mosquitos and fruit flies,
    there's literally no way to contain them.
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    They cross borders and oceans
    all the time.
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    Okay, the other piece
    of bad news is that
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    a gene drive might not stay confined
    to what we call the target species.
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    That's because of gene flow,
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    which is a fancy way of saying
    that neighboring species
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    sometimes inter-breed.
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    If that happens, it's possible
    a gene drive could cross over,
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    like Asian Carp could infect
    some other kind of Carp.
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    That's not so bad if your drive
    just promotes a trait, like eye color.
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    In fact, there's a decent chance that
    we'll see a wave
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    of very weird fruit flies
    in the near future.
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    But it could be a disaster
    if your drive is deigned
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    to eliminate the species entirely.
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    The last worrisome thing is that
    the technology to do this,
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    to genetically engineer an organism
    and include a gene drive,
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    is something that basically any lab
    in the world can do.
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    An undergraduate can do it.
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    A talented high schooler
    with some equipment can do it.
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    Now I'm guessing that
    this sounds terrifying.
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    Interestingly though, nearly
    every scientist I talk to
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    seems to think that gene drives
    were not actually
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    that frightening or dangerous.
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    Partly because they believe that
    scientists will be
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    very cautious and responsible
    about using them.
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    (Laughter)
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    So far, that's been true.
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    But gene drives also have
    some actual limitations.
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    For one thing, they work in only
    sexually reproducing species.
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    So thank goodness, they can't be used
    to engineer viruses or bacteria.
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    Also, the trait spreads only with each
    succesive genertion.
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    So changing or eliminating a population
    is practical only if that species
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    has a fast reproductive cycle,
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    like insects or maybe small vertebrates
    like mice or fish.
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    In elephants or people, it would
    take centuries
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    for a trait to spread widely enough
    to matter.
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    Also, even with CRISPR, it's not that easy
    to engineer a truly devastating trait.
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    Say you wanted to make a fruit fly
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    that feeds on ordinary fruit instead
    of rotting fruit
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    with the aim of sabotaging
    American agriculture.
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    First you'd have to figure out
    which genes control
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    what the fly wants to eat,
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    which is already a very long
    and complicated project.
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    Then you'd have to alter those genes
    to change the fly's behavior
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    to whatever you'd want it to be,
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    which is an even longer
    and more complicated project.
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    And it might not even work because
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    the genes that control
    behavior are complex.
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    So if you're a terrorist and have
    to choose between
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    starting a grueling basic research program
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    that will require years
    of meticulous lab work
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    and still might not pan out,
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    or just blowing stuff up?
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    You'll probably choose the later.
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    This is especially true because
    at least in theory,
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    it should be pretty easy to build
    what's called a reversal drive.
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    That's one that basically overwrites
    the change made by the first gene drive.
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    So if you don't like the effects
    of a change,
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    you can just release a second drive
    that will cancel it out,
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    at least in theory.
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    Okay, so where does this leave us?
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    We now have the ability to change
    entire species at will.
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    Should we?
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    Are we gods now?
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    I'm not sure I'd say that.
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    But I would say this:
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    First, some very smart people
    are even now debating
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    how to regulate gene drives.
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    At the same time, some other
    very smart people
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    are working hard to create
    safeguards,
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    like gene drives that self regulate
    or petter out after a few generations.
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    That's great.
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    But this technology still requires
    a conversation.
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    And given the nature of gene drives,
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    that conversation has to be global.
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    What if Kenya wants to use a drive
    that Tanzania doesn't?
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    Who decides whether to release
    a gene drive that can fly?
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    I don't have the answer to that question.
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    All we can do going forward, I think,
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    is talk honestly about
    the risks and benefits
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    and take responsibility for our choices.
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    By that I mean, not just the choice
    to use a gene drive,
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    but also the choice not to use one.
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    Humans have a tendency to assume
    that the safest option
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    is to preserve the status quo.
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    But that's not always the case.
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    Gene drives have risks and those
    need to be discussed,
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    but malaria exists now and kills
    1,000 people a day.
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    To combat it, we spray pesticides
    that do grave damage to other species,
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    including amphibians and birds.
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    So when you hear about gene drives
    in the coming months,
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    and trust me, you will be
    hearing about them,
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    remember that.
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    It can be frightening to act,
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    but sometimes, not acting
    is worse.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Gene editing can now change an entire species -- forever
Speaker:
Jennifer Kahn
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Video Language:
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