1 00:00:01,066 --> 00:00:03,527 So this is a talk about gene drives, 2 00:00:03,527 --> 00:00:06,801 but I'm going to start by telling you a brief story. 3 00:00:06,801 --> 00:00:09,868 20 years ago, a biologist named Anthony James 4 00:00:09,868 --> 00:00:12,211 got obsessed with the idea of making mosquitos 5 00:00:12,211 --> 00:00:15,857 that didn't transmit malaria. 6 00:00:15,857 --> 00:00:20,803 It was a great idea, and pretty much a complete failure. 7 00:00:20,803 --> 00:00:23,427 For one thing, it turned out to be really hard 8 00:00:23,427 --> 00:00:26,469 to make a malaria resistant mosquito. 9 00:00:26,469 --> 00:00:29,536 James managed it, finally, just a few years ago 10 00:00:29,536 --> 00:00:31,902 by adding some genes that make it impossible 11 00:00:31,902 --> 00:00:35,757 for the malaria parasite to survive inside the mosquito. 12 00:00:35,757 --> 00:00:38,218 But that just created another problem. 13 00:00:38,218 --> 00:00:41,051 Now that you've got a malaria-resistant mosquito, 14 00:00:41,051 --> 00:00:46,322 how do you get it to replace all the malaria-carrying mosquitos? 15 00:00:46,322 --> 00:00:48,133 There are a couple options, 16 00:00:48,133 --> 00:00:50,009 but plan A was basically to breed up 17 00:00:50,009 --> 00:00:52,459 a bunch of the new genetically-engineered mosquitos 18 00:00:52,459 --> 00:00:54,263 release them into the wild, 19 00:00:54,263 --> 00:00:56,673 and hope that they pass on their genes. 20 00:00:56,673 --> 00:00:58,811 The problem was that you'd have to release 21 00:00:58,811 --> 00:01:03,135 literally 10x the number of native mosquitos to work. 22 00:01:03,135 --> 00:01:05,246 So in a village with 10,000 mosquitos, 23 00:01:05,246 --> 00:01:08,497 you release an extra 100,000. 24 00:01:08,497 --> 00:01:11,004 As you might guess, this was not a very popular strategy 25 00:01:11,004 --> 00:01:12,514 with the villagers. 26 00:01:12,514 --> 00:01:15,137 (Laughter) 27 00:01:15,137 --> 00:01:18,829 Then, last January, Anthony James got an email 28 00:01:18,829 --> 00:01:21,639 from a biologist named Ethan Bier. 29 00:01:21,639 --> 00:01:24,272 Bier said that he and his grad student, Valentino Gantz, 30 00:01:24,272 --> 00:01:26,887 had stumbled on a tool that could not only guarentee 31 00:01:26,887 --> 00:01:30,161 that a particular genetic trait would be inherited, 32 00:01:30,161 --> 00:01:32,354 but that it would spread incredibly quickly. 33 00:01:32,354 --> 00:01:35,223 If they were right, it would basically solve the problem 34 00:01:35,223 --> 00:01:38,752 that he and James had been working on for 20 years. 35 00:01:38,752 --> 00:01:41,562 As a test, they engineered two mosquitos 36 00:01:41,562 --> 00:01:43,257 to carry the anti-malaria gene 37 00:01:43,257 --> 00:01:45,556 and also this new tool, a gene drive, 38 00:01:45,556 --> 00:01:47,506 which I'll explain in a minute. 39 00:01:47,506 --> 00:01:49,712 Finally, they set it up so that any mosquitos 40 00:01:49,712 --> 00:01:51,825 that had inherited the anti-malaria gene 41 00:01:51,825 --> 00:01:55,585 wouldn't have the usual white eyes, but would instead have red eyes. 42 00:01:55,585 --> 00:01:58,280 That was pretty much just for convenience 43 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,413 so they could tell just at a glance which was which. 44 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:05,153 So they took their two anti-malarial, red-eyed mosquitos 45 00:02:05,153 --> 00:02:07,847 and put them in a box with 30 ordinary white-eyed ones 46 00:02:07,847 --> 00:02:09,797 and let them breed. 47 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:14,534 In two generations, those had produced 38,000 grandchildren. 48 00:02:14,534 --> 00:02:16,972 That is not the surprising part. 49 00:02:16,972 --> 00:02:18,923 This is the surprising part: 50 00:02:18,923 --> 00:02:21,593 Given that you started with just two red-eyed mosquitos 51 00:02:21,593 --> 00:02:23,172 and 30 white-eyed ones, 52 00:02:23,172 --> 00:02:26,725 you expect mostly white-eyed descendents. 53 00:02:26,725 --> 00:02:29,790 Instead, when James opened the box, 54 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:33,598 all 38,000 mosquitos had red eyes. 55 00:02:33,598 --> 00:02:35,822 When I asked Ethan Bier about this moment, 56 00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:39,723 he became so excited, tht he was literally shouting into the phone. 57 00:02:39,723 --> 00:02:42,073 That's because getting only red-eyed mosquitos 58 00:02:42,073 --> 00:02:45,045 violates a rule that is the absolute cornerstone of biology, 59 00:02:45,045 --> 00:02:46,912 Mendelian genetics. 60 00:02:46,912 --> 00:02:49,202 I'll keep this quick, but Mendelian genetics 61 00:02:49,202 --> 00:02:50,873 says when a male and a female mate, 62 00:02:50,873 --> 00:02:53,753 their baby inherits half of its DNA from each parent. 63 00:02:53,753 --> 00:02:57,352 So if our original mosquito was aa and our new mosquito is aB, 64 00:02:57,352 --> 00:02:59,140 where B is the anti-malarial gene, 65 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:01,415 the babies should come out in four permutations: 66 00:03:01,415 --> 00:03:05,130 aa, aB, aa, Ba. 67 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:07,197 Instead, with the new gene drive, 68 00:03:07,197 --> 00:03:10,123 they all came out aB. 69 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:12,723 Biologically, that shouldn't even be possible. 70 00:03:12,723 --> 00:03:14,906 So what happened? 71 00:03:14,906 --> 00:03:17,197 The first thing that happened was the arrival 72 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:20,055 of a gene-editing tool known as CRISPR in 2012. 73 00:03:20,055 --> 00:03:22,538 Many of you have probably heard about CRISPR, 74 00:03:22,538 --> 00:03:25,831 so I'll just say briefly that CRISPR is a tool that allows researchers 75 00:03:25,831 --> 00:03:29,038 to edit genes very precisely, easily and quickly. 76 00:03:29,038 --> 00:03:32,712 It does this by harnessing a mechanism that already existed in bacteria. 77 00:03:32,712 --> 00:03:35,409 Basically, there's a protein that acts like a scissors 78 00:03:35,409 --> 00:03:36,877 and cuts the DNA, 79 00:03:36,877 --> 00:03:39,427 and there's an RNA molecule that directs the scissors 80 00:03:39,427 --> 00:03:41,237 to any point on the genome you want. 81 00:03:41,237 --> 00:03:44,651 The result is basically a word processor word processor for genes. 82 00:03:44,651 --> 00:03:47,135 You can take an entire gene out, put one in, 83 00:03:47,135 --> 00:03:49,945 or even edit just a single letter within a gene. 84 00:03:49,945 --> 00:03:53,544 And you can do it in nearly any species. 85 00:03:53,544 --> 00:03:55,641 Okay, remember how I said that gene drives 86 00:03:55,641 --> 00:03:57,914 originally had two problems? 87 00:03:57,914 --> 00:04:01,137 The first was that it was hard to engineer a mosquito 88 00:04:01,137 --> 00:04:02,623 to be malaria resistant. 89 00:04:02,623 --> 00:04:05,363 That's basically gone now, thanks to CRISPR. 90 00:04:05,363 --> 00:04:07,546 But the other problem was logistical. 91 00:04:07,546 --> 00:04:10,402 How do you get your trait to spread? 92 00:04:10,402 --> 00:04:13,165 This is where it gets clever. 93 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:16,450 A couple years ago, a biologist at Harvard named Kevin Esvelt 94 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:18,986 wondered what would happen if you made it so that 95 00:04:18,986 --> 00:04:21,803 CRISPR inserted not only your new gene, 96 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:25,448 but also the machinery that does the cutting and pasting. 97 00:04:25,448 --> 00:04:30,185 In other words, what if CRISPR also copy and pasted itself. 98 00:04:30,185 --> 00:04:34,713 You'd end up with a perpetual motion machine for gene editing. 99 00:04:34,713 --> 00:04:37,267 And that's exactly what happened. 100 00:04:37,267 --> 00:04:40,077 This CRISPR gene drive that Esvelt created 101 00:04:40,077 --> 00:04:43,606 not only guarantees that a trait will get passed on, 102 00:04:43,606 --> 00:04:46,068 but if its used in the germline cell, 103 00:04:46,068 --> 00:04:48,668 it will automatically copy and paste your new gene 104 00:04:48,668 --> 00:04:51,989 into both chromosomes of every single individual. 105 00:04:51,989 --> 00:04:54,450 It's like a global search and replace, 106 00:04:54,450 --> 00:04:58,666 or in science terms, it makes a heterozygous trait homozygous. 107 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:01,927 So, what does this mean? 108 00:05:01,927 --> 00:05:04,574 For one thing, it means we have a very powerful, 109 00:05:04,574 --> 00:05:08,576 but also somewhat alarming new tool. 110 00:05:08,576 --> 00:05:11,586 Up until now, the fact that gene drives didn't work very well 111 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:13,269 was actually kind of a relief. 112 00:05:13,269 --> 00:05:15,898 Normally when we mess around with an organisms's genes, 113 00:05:15,898 --> 00:05:18,264 we make that thing less evolutionarily fit. 114 00:05:18,264 --> 00:05:21,264 So biologists can make all the mutant fruit flies they want 115 00:05:21,264 --> 00:05:22,500 without worrying about it. 116 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:27,004 If some escape, natural selection just takes care of it. 117 00:05:27,004 --> 00:05:30,302 What's remarkable and powerful and frightening about gene drives 118 00:05:30,302 --> 00:05:32,856 is that that will no longer be true. 119 00:05:32,856 --> 00:05:36,943 Assuming that your trait does not have a big evolutionary handicap, 120 00:05:36,943 --> 00:05:39,009 like a mosquito that can't fly, 121 00:05:39,009 --> 00:05:42,492 the CRISPR-based gene drive will spread the change relentlessly 122 00:05:42,492 --> 00:05:47,322 until it is in every single individual in the population. 123 00:05:47,322 --> 00:05:50,178 Now, it isn't easy to make a gene drive that works that well, 124 00:05:50,178 --> 00:05:53,568 but James and Esvelt think that we can. 125 00:05:53,568 --> 00:05:57,469 The good news is that this opens the door to some remarkable things. 126 00:05:57,469 --> 00:06:00,116 If you put an anti-malarial gene drive in just 1 percent 127 00:06:00,116 --> 00:06:03,143 of anopheles mosquitos, the species that transmits malaria. 128 00:06:03,143 --> 00:06:06,502 Researchers estimate that it would spread to the entire population 129 00:06:06,502 --> 00:06:08,406 in a year. 130 00:06:08,406 --> 00:06:11,071 So in a year, you could virtually eliminate malaria. 131 00:06:11,071 --> 00:06:14,350 In practice, we're still a few years out from being able to do that, 132 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:18,344 but sitll, a 1,000 children a day die of malaria. 133 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:21,293 In a year, that number could be almost zero. 134 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:25,426 The same goes for dengue fever, chicken genuang (?), yellow fever. 135 00:06:25,426 --> 00:06:27,469 And it gets better. 136 00:06:27,469 --> 00:06:30,022 Say you want to get rid of an invasive species, 137 00:06:30,022 --> 00:06:32,670 like get Asian Carp out of The Great Lakes. 138 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:34,692 All you have to do is release a gene drive 139 00:06:34,692 --> 00:06:37,570 that makes the fish produce only male offspring. 140 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:41,419 In a few generations, there'll be no females left, no more carp. 141 00:06:41,419 --> 00:06:44,164 In theory, this means that we could restore hundreds 142 00:06:44,164 --> 00:06:47,601 of native species that have been pushed to the brink. 143 00:06:47,601 --> 00:06:50,968 Okay, that's the good news, 144 00:06:50,968 --> 00:06:53,313 this is the bad news. 145 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:55,380 Gene drives are so effective, 146 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:59,234 that even an accidental release could change an entire species, 147 00:06:59,234 --> 00:07:01,440 and often very quickly. 148 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,530 Anthony James took good precautions. 149 00:07:03,530 --> 00:07:05,746 He breed his mosquitos in a bio-containment lab 150 00:07:05,746 --> 00:07:08,427 and he also used a species that's not native to the US 151 00:07:08,427 --> 00:07:10,176 so that even if some did escape, 152 00:07:10,176 --> 00:07:11,494 they'd just die off, 153 00:07:11,494 --> 00:07:13,515 there'd be nothing for them to mate with. 154 00:07:13,515 --> 00:07:15,651 But it's also true that if a dozen Asian Carp 155 00:07:15,651 --> 00:07:19,482 with the all-male gene drive accidentally got carried from The Great Lakes 156 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:20,968 back to Asia, 157 00:07:20,968 --> 00:07:25,519 they could potentially wipe out the native Asian Carp population. 158 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:29,048 And that's not so unlikely, given how connected our world is. 159 00:07:29,048 --> 00:07:32,230 In fact, it's why we have an invasive species problem. 160 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:33,646 And that's fish. 161 00:07:33,646 --> 00:07:37,826 Things like mosquitos and fruit flies, there's literally no way to contain them. 162 00:07:37,826 --> 00:07:41,982 They cross borders and oceans all the time. 163 00:07:41,982 --> 00:07:44,467 Okay, the other piece of bad news is that 164 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:48,139 a gene drive might not stay confined to what we call the target species. 165 00:07:48,139 --> 00:07:50,079 That's because of gene flow, 166 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:52,874 which is a fancy way of saying that neighboring species 167 00:07:52,874 --> 00:07:54,103 sometimes inter-breed. 168 00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:57,147 If that happens, it's possible a gene drive could cross over, 169 00:07:57,147 --> 00:07:59,861 like Asian Carp could infect some other kind of Carp. 170 00:07:59,861 --> 00:08:03,437 That's not so bad if your drive just promotes a trait, like eye color. 171 00:08:03,437 --> 00:08:06,372 In fact, there's a decent chance that we'll see a wave 172 00:08:06,372 --> 00:08:09,614 of very weird fruit flies in the near future. 173 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:12,353 But it could be a disaster if your drive is deigned 174 00:08:12,353 --> 00:08:14,629 to eliminate the species entirely. 175 00:08:14,629 --> 00:08:17,903 The last worrisome thing is that the technology to do this, 176 00:08:17,903 --> 00:08:21,618 to genetically engineer an organism and include a gene drive, 177 00:08:21,618 --> 00:08:25,543 is something that basically any lab in the world can do. 178 00:08:25,543 --> 00:08:27,423 An undergraduate can do it. 179 00:08:27,423 --> 00:08:32,160 A talented high schooler with some equipment can do it. 180 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,527 Now I'm guessing that this sounds terrifying. 181 00:08:35,527 --> 00:08:40,495 Interestingly though, nearly every scientist I talk to 182 00:08:40,495 --> 00:08:43,097 seems to think that gene drives were not actually 183 00:08:43,097 --> 00:08:44,583 that frightening or dangerous. 184 00:08:44,583 --> 00:08:47,072 Partly because they believe that scientists will be 185 00:08:47,072 --> 00:08:49,444 very cautious and responsible about using them. 186 00:08:49,444 --> 00:08:50,318 (Laughter) 187 00:08:50,318 --> 00:08:52,524 So far, that's been true. 188 00:08:52,524 --> 00:08:55,380 But gene drives also have some actual limitations. 189 00:08:55,380 --> 00:08:58,399 For one thing, they work in only sexually reproducing species. 190 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,882 So thank goodness, they can't be used to engineer viruses or bacteria. 191 00:09:01,882 --> 00:09:05,243 Also, the trait spreads only with each succesive genertion. 192 00:09:05,243 --> 00:09:08,732 So changing or eliminating a population is practical only if that species 193 00:09:08,732 --> 00:09:11,100 has a fast reproductive cycle, 194 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,192 like insects or maybe small vertebrates like mice or fish. 195 00:09:14,192 --> 00:09:16,534 In elephants or people, it would take centuries 196 00:09:16,534 --> 00:09:20,342 for a trait to spread widely enough to matter. 197 00:09:20,342 --> 00:09:25,492 Also, even with CRISPR, it's not that easy to engineer a truly devastating trait. 198 00:09:25,492 --> 00:09:27,679 Say you wanted to make a fruit fly 199 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,303 that feeds on ordinary fruit instead of rotting fruit 200 00:09:30,303 --> 00:09:33,068 with the aim of sabotaging American agriculture. 201 00:09:33,068 --> 00:09:35,481 First you'd have to figure out which genes control 202 00:09:35,481 --> 00:09:37,594 what the fly wants to eat, 203 00:09:37,594 --> 00:09:40,636 which is already a very long and complicated project. 204 00:09:40,636 --> 00:09:43,817 Then you'd have to alter those genes to change the fly's behavior 205 00:09:43,817 --> 00:09:45,442 to whatever you'd want it to be, 206 00:09:45,442 --> 00:09:48,087 which is an even longer and more complicated project. 207 00:09:48,087 --> 00:09:49,807 And it might not even work because 208 00:09:49,807 --> 00:09:52,024 the genes that control behavior are complex. 209 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:54,591 So if you're a terrorist and have to choose between 210 00:09:54,591 --> 00:09:56,222 starting a grueling basic research program 211 00:09:56,222 --> 00:09:57,726 that will require years of meticulous lab work 212 00:09:57,726 --> 00:09:59,398 and still might not pan out, 213 00:09:59,398 --> 00:10:00,768 or just blowing stuff up? 214 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:03,237 You'll probably choose the later. 215 00:10:03,237 --> 00:10:05,621 This is especially true because at least in theory, 216 00:10:05,621 --> 00:10:09,011 it should be pretty easy to build what's called a reversal drive. 217 00:10:09,011 --> 00:10:13,028 That's one that basically overwrites the change made by the first gene drive. 218 00:10:13,028 --> 00:10:15,303 So if you don't like the effects of a change, 219 00:10:15,303 --> 00:10:18,159 you can just release a second drive that will cancel it out, 220 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:21,573 at least in theory. 221 00:10:21,573 --> 00:10:24,847 Okay, so where does this leave us? 222 00:10:24,847 --> 00:10:29,351 We now have the ability to change entire species at will. 223 00:10:29,351 --> 00:10:30,814 Should we? 224 00:10:30,814 --> 00:10:34,251 Are we gods now? 225 00:10:34,251 --> 00:10:36,317 I'm not sure I'd say that. 226 00:10:36,317 --> 00:10:38,663 But I would say this: 227 00:10:38,663 --> 00:10:41,426 First, some very smart people are even now debating 228 00:10:41,426 --> 00:10:43,841 how to regulate gene drives. 229 00:10:43,841 --> 00:10:46,418 At the same time, some other very smart people 230 00:10:46,418 --> 00:10:48,601 are working hard to create safeguards, 231 00:10:48,601 --> 00:10:52,177 like gene drives that self regulate or petter out after a few generations. 232 00:10:52,177 --> 00:10:53,427 That's great. 233 00:10:53,427 --> 00:10:56,471 But this technology still requires a conversation. 234 00:10:56,471 --> 00:10:59,723 And given the nature of gene drives, 235 00:10:59,723 --> 00:11:02,370 that conversation has to be global. 236 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:05,528 What if Kenya wants to use a drive that Tanzania doesn't? 237 00:11:05,528 --> 00:11:09,557 Who decides whether to release a gene drive that can fly? 238 00:11:11,287 --> 00:11:13,841 I don't have the answer to that question. 239 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:15,884 All we can do going forward, I think, 240 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:18,671 is talk honestly about the risks and benefits 241 00:11:18,671 --> 00:11:21,945 and take responsibility for our choices. 242 00:11:21,945 --> 00:11:25,962 By that I mean, not just the choice to use a gene drive, 243 00:11:25,962 --> 00:11:29,421 but also the choice not to use one. 244 00:11:29,421 --> 00:11:32,347 Humans have a tendency to assume that the safest option 245 00:11:32,347 --> 00:11:35,064 is to preserve the status quo. 246 00:11:35,064 --> 00:11:37,711 But that's not always the case. 247 00:11:37,711 --> 00:11:41,356 Gene drives have risks and those need to be discussed, 248 00:11:41,356 --> 00:11:45,211 but malaria exists now and kills 1,000 people a day. 249 00:11:45,211 --> 00:11:48,856 To combat it, we spray pesticides that do grave damage to other species, 250 00:11:48,856 --> 00:11:51,605 including amphibians and birds. 251 00:11:51,605 --> 00:11:54,336 So when you hear about gene drives in the coming months, 252 00:11:54,336 --> 00:11:57,193 and trust me, you will be hearing about them, 253 00:11:57,193 --> 00:11:58,632 remember that. 254 00:11:58,632 --> 00:12:00,675 It can be frightening to act, 255 00:12:00,675 --> 00:12:04,925 but sometimes, not acting is worse. 256 00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:07,948 (Applause)