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How to add Critical Thinking to your Making

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    Herald: Hello, and welcome back on the
    x-Hain stage at this very strange RC3. Now
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    on the second day and our next talk is by
    aprica and Saad, we're going to talk about
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    how to add critical making to your
    critical thinking to your making. And
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    there was a talk two years ago at 35 c3
    when we're still able to meet in person,
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    which was also already talking about the
    subject. And this now kind of as a follow
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    up. And they're going to talk about what
    we can learn from critical makers and
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    other grassroot initiatives. Yes, the
    stage is yours.
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    aprica: Thank you, Carl. Thank you so much
    for hosting us here under the tree and
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    X-Hain. Well, maybe not so great to be
    here and great to have you all watching in
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    the stream, and I hope next year we will
    meet on the trees again and also not on
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    the trees and the at the rocket. So I'm
    aprica . I'm part of the global innovation
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    gathering a big worldwide community that I
    often describe as global erpha, which most
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    of the CCC- folks would know as a
    Erfahrungsaustauschkreis. So knowledge
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    sharing and circle. And so we are also a
    knowledge sharing circle, and I'm joined
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    by Saad, who was one of the amazing
    members of the association and of the
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    network of gig from Singapore. And do you
    want to quickly introduce yourself as
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    well?
    Saad: Sure thing. I'm based in Singapore
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    normally, and last year we had a little
    talk about with Regina and on critical
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    thinking and critical making, which was
    actually quite phenomenal. The response
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    was really great. And who had a chance to
    work on this, together with the other gig
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    members, members of the Global Innovation
    Group, which is also part. So I'm very
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    happy to be with you a little bit of my
    background. I'm a tech person. I run a
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    small startup in Singapore and I also help
    with maker spaces and tech for good. And
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    I'm a huge coffee snob that that's me.
    aprica: Other people would call it coffee
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    coffee geek. both laughing
    Saab:That works too.
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    aprica: Nice. So I think some people now
    in the stream also see our slides and we
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    are on the first slide. And on the second
    slide, you would see a picture of an
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    actual stage and an actual Congress where
    Regina and Saad last year defined
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    critical, making the topic rules two years
    ago. It's basically yesterday like pre-
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    pandemic, but it's also 100 years ago,
    right? So last timelaughs you spoke
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    about the topic, you define it as adding
    critical thinking to the making. And so we
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    arrive at critical making. And I guess
    there's like 200 other definitions of
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    this. Which one did you share, Saad?
    Saad: Making with a purpose, I think, is
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    the one that puts the best. The idea that
    the skills and experience and knowledge
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    that have being applied towards something
    that is constructive and meaningful, and
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    that means very different things to very
    different people. So depending on the
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    context that you're in, the definition
    changes quite dramatically by sort of
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    digging down into it, making with a
    purpose, understanding what that purpose
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    is, rather than just using your 3D printer
    for printing you over their heads all the
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    time, you think about how this could
    actually help people with customization,
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    personalization, things like that. So
    that's the that's the sort of thing that
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    definition, but I prefer to making with
    the purpase.
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    aprica: Well, yeah, that's certainly one
    of them. Yeah, very easy to understand
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    once. Also, it's also very academic
    concept. And so everybody who's interested
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    in this whole concept and all and all the
    different areas of critical making, we
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    highly recommend. I highly recommend
    because speaking of this, I really
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    recommend to watch the talk by Regina and
    Saad. It's like one hour long, and it will
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    give them very comprehensive and also
    academic viewpoint of the topic. And today
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    I think we will focus more on, what
    happened since then and what's beyond just
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    the not just beyond the concept. So to go
    to the third slide, you see, this is one
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    of the pictures also shared in the talk
    back then of the global innovation
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    gathering, when we also were still
    gathering physically with the Big Blue
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    Mobile Lab. And I would love to go like
    for two minutes into what's happened since
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    we gathered the last time. So what
    happened during the pandemic in terms of
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    how? How did critical making evolve in
    public perception during the time of the
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    pandemic? Saad, what would you say?
    Saad: Well, I think we've seen a
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    phenomenal response, a global response
    from makers to meet the needs of what the
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    pandemic has surfaced. I mean, I think
    there's a phenomenal potential here in the
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    nature of this response. But if we
    remember about a year or so ago and I
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    know, time is broken because of COVID, but
    about a year or so ago, there was this
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    shortage of personal protective equipment,
    PPE and people came forward in order to
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    try and help. And it wasn't just health
    care workers, it wasn't just social
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    workers. It was anybody and everybody who
    had skills or knowledge or experience,
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    tried to find a way to make themselves
    useful. And this happening on a global
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    scale in response to something like the
    personal shortage of PPE. Drew out a lot
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    of critical neighbors, as in makers who
    were quite comfortable with how 3D
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    printers work or how maker spaces work,
    and trying to apply that to a social need,
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    which I think is remarkable in itself. But
    on a global scale, I think that that that
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    potential is phenomenal, that all of us
    have had to find ways to adapt digitally
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    and go online and do things remotely. And
    I really miss having a CCC in person, for
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    example, and the global innovation
    gathering hasn't happened in person. So I
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    really do miss that and I'm looking
    forward to a time where we're able to meet
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    in person again, trying to stay
    optimistic, but with we're still not out
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    of it yet. The pandemic is still very much
    something we're adapting to, something
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    that we're responding to. And to answer
    your question, what's changed, I feel, is
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    that people are now more involved. People
    who are normally sort of in their own
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    maker spaces bubble or in the tech bubble
    or in the hacker space bubble are now more
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    involved and more engaged and recognized
    for the skills to be relevant to a social
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    cause. So I think moving forward, I would
    like to see us try and tap on that
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    potential as much as possible.
    aprica: Yeah, definitely, and I mean, the
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    space we're in at the moment, the Ixion
    can make space was like at the forefront
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    together with, of course, many other
    spaces in Germany to produce such
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    protective equipment. And if you see
    around around us now, you also see like
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    lots of figurines of, I don't know, Yoda
    hats, for example, and many other things
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    that bring joy to making as well. And
    that, for example, help to educate about,
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    which tools to use, for example. And then,
    yeah, looking in what you're doing in
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    Singapore, was creating toys for children
    with disabilities, which you also sharing
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    in the talk two years ago, where they can
    interact with like big buttons instead of
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    like tiny, tiny things that they can't
    really touch and interact with. That's
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    also bringing lots of joy. And it's not
    only always to counter a pandemic, but it
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    was there before. And now I think it's
    very, yeah, more in mainstream. Well, it
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    was for a time more arriving in mainstream
    that this is really, yeah, a movement or
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    movements to follow and to contribute to
    as well. So what we often do and this is
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    the next slide is we create a Horizon 2020
    proposal for things we want to do. And so
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    this is my work actually to bring in
    funding that lasts us for two and a half
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    years, for example, in this case, to
    really further research, to collaborate
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    with researchers as a civil society
    organization ourselves and to be able to
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    work together globally on a specific
    project and on a specific topic. So in the
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    craziness of the beginning of the
    pandemic, we found that critical making is
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    the one topic that is not very researched
    and that we can contribute to as a network
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    and also connecting with Regina as part of
    the two billion and other organizations
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    that you see here with Vicki Factory.
    That's a global platform for makers to
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    share designs, for example, and to find a
    community of other designers and makers
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    and the Center for Social Innovation in
    Austria and also Vitt in Finland. So we've
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    produced this project together that got
    finally accepted by the European Union,
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    which was really nice. And so we are now
    thankful for getting support for the
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    research we're doing now in critical
    making. So this was after after Congress
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    that we wrote this. And the main goal and
    you see this on the next slide, is to help
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    make a communities to work with anyone to
    contribute to open source innovation. And
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    so from this very complex like research
    frameworks that Horizon 2020 is using,
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    like the responsible research and
    innovation framework and others, we found
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    that it connects very well with values
    that also we want to further contribute
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    to, like openness, like inclusion. And so
    we selected a few of those. We selected
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    gender diversity, we selected young
    talents. We call it because in such
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    proposals, you often have to use language
    that speaks to the funder. And we also
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    selected openness as a very broad term,
    also to research on. And today I would
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    like to show you a little bit of what's
    already happened, because we're now at the
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    end of the first year of the project and
    show you about what we're up to as well.
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    So to just give you a very tiny glimpse
    into, what we did in the gender work
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    package, we work with different spaces,
    different makers in several countries. And
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    in this case, I brought two examples of
    case studies that will be published soon
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    about different spaces. The. One is Miss
    Baltazar Laboratory and Austria, which I
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    highly recommend to check out. And then
    there were like many different more and
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    also X-Hain. And of course, I need to show
    that here as we are in X-Hain at the
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    moment. laughs And this is super nice
    because of course, if you like think about
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    gender, many people would assume it's only
    about like inclusion of women of girls in
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    maker spaces. But of course it's not. It's
    like to have an understanding of the
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    multitude of genders and also like them to
    to include everyone. Also have a nice
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    space for people identifying as male,
    female and many other genders. And in this
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    case, it's just so nice also about X-Hain,
    that they are not saying like we have
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    space for women or we have space for only
    for a specific kind of nerd. But we want
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    to be very, very inclusive and very safe
    for everyone. So that's just a very tiny
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    examples you will find online more in our
    deliverables. We call it that. Yeah. The
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    reports that we have to hand in to the
    European Union. And then after handing
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    them in, we take snippets out of these and
    published them and a more like human
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    interaction formats, that people outside
    of academia can also read better and watch
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    better. Than the next one I see in slide
    nine is Yang Taelons, which basically make
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    about maker education for young people.
    And there you already find online, and
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    that's the next slide. The review of
    measures to integrate young people into
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    make a community. And then we looked
    mostly only at Germany at the moment and
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    want to be creating this for other
    countries as well. So if you're interested
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    in this part of the project, you can
    already download like the full report, the
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    first one. But you can also reach out to
    us and contribute to the next steps. And
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    then the part in the next slide openness,
    which is the one that I want to be talking
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    a little bit more about, because that's
    the one, where we're mostly working
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    together here. So for openness, you see in
    the next slide, that was some academic
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    article now published, which is a
    literature review on the openness
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    practices and which is like, very directed
    for researchers, of course. But we're also
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    starting to make, yeah, like talks like
    this about what was found out by our
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    colleagues, who were doing the literature
    review. So in the next slide, you see a
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    little bit more accessible. What they
    found is that openness, as probably all of
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    you also know, it's one of the core values
    of global makeup movements. But as you
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    probably also all know, there are lots and
    lots of different interpretations and ways
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    of practicing this. So we can speak about
    open hardware, which is probably one of
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    the most obvious for many of the people
    just watching this, because it's also
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    something we speak at Chaos Congress all
    the time. So like sharing what you're
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    making and like open repositories, for
    example, creating very easy tech like
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    frugal tech, customizing things. So that's
    all integral part of open hardware. I
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    would say from then found other aspects
    that are strong in the literature as well,
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    like openness can also be understood as
    inclusion and empowerment of, for example,
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    of people with disabilities, but also
    generally consumers or ethnic minorities.
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    So all different kinds of inclusions that
    one could think of. It's probably like one
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    of the things, I think also a slick
    hacker. Ethics is concerned, but. That is
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    maybe not always in our minds and then
    also very important economic growth,
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    especially if we look at the global scale
    of the maker movement. So that we have
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    open business models, for example, and
    high innovation activities and. And the
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    field. And so this already shows also lots
    of tension, so I would like to go to the
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    next slide, where you see the tensions
    identified in the scientific literature.
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    So there's lots of tension between
    different economic stances like people who
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    want to have their make up practice,
    mostly for leisure purposes, mostly for
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    also capitalistic or anti capitalistic
    purposes. So this is quite an important
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    tension to identify and also to to work
    around. Then tensions arising from
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    different imagined areas of the future
    role of making like, do you use it in a
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    revolutionary sense or in the sense that
    contributes to the current status of the
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    capitalist system, for example? And then
    also, of course, always that's maybe the
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    least important finding between individual
    and collective orientations, where you
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    often have, like, What do I do? And what
    is good for society is. Something that's
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    always important to to go forward with us
    as a discussion. Yeah. So these are the
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    scientific findings from this article. Not
    not all of them, of course. Please read
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    the article also has more in it. And do
    you want to add something, Saad? You will
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    bring more examples of these different
    tensions, I guess.
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    Saad: Yeah, I mean, I have my perspective
    is always the sort of hands on learning by
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    example kind of approach. For the more
    academic perspective, I turn to Regina and
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    people who are with the academic
    community. So I won't I can't really speak
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    to that perspective. But, to add to what
    you've already said, I think the the
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    nature of the work, at least from my
    perspective, being all hands on does meet
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    a lot of resistance with these
    restrictions, you the whole pandemic
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    situation. So I'm hoping that we are going
    to see more examples of people coming
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    forward with a more constructive mindset
    and the ability to share. Because we've
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    seen examples of this in response to the
    pandemic, and some of that is now starting
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    to show up in people's mindset. And when
    people who are normally not so engaged
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    with engineering, good, where I volunteer,
    is depends entirely on volunteers. And
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    sometimes people show up like once a week,
    once one weekend a month to volunteer, and
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    then they go back into their day to day
    lives and we see them every now and again,
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    when they have the time. But in the last
    few in the recent past, we've seen a
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    different kind of volunteer, a different
    kind of mindset that they bring to their
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    work. And it seems a little bit more
    motivated, I feel. And so the work, that
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    we've been doing in the past, this idea of
    being open and to share and to be able to
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    look into other people's work and try and
    replicate it, that aspect is starting to
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    get to be more welcomed by these
    volunteers. It's not seen as an alien
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    idea. It's not like you have to sort of
    like workshop it and get people
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    comfortable with this idea. And in Asian
    cultures, that more of that is necessary,
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    I feel. But the remarkable difference, I
    think. I don't know if this is just me,
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    but from what I've seen, the mindset has
    shifted and people are more open to trying
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    new things and also sharing what they've
    tried, rather than waiting until they get
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    to a point, that something works and then
    they share it. So the process of that
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    they're going through is something that
    you don't, at least with Asian
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    sensibilities, you tend not to share it.
    You would think that it's not good enough
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    or it's not fully formed yet. So you tend
    to keep it to yourself or just a few
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    people that you're working with and it
    never gets documented. It never gets
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    shared. But I'm starting to see more
    examples of that.
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    aprica: Yeah, I think that's not only
    Asian. Asian problem laughs, but we have
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    it like everywhere that you have so many
    projects or left foot products that people
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    create, that are like prototypes to a
    certain stage and then you either don't
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    have time for it anymore or you just feel
    like you can't finish it and it never gets
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    documented. So that's also one of the
    issues. We found another identified when
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    we met in 2019 in Kenya and the crew. This
    the global innovation gathering in the
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    like Work Workshop kind of conference, and
    we came up with what is shared on the next
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    slide. The principles of sustainable
    making and sustainable is not only
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    environmentally, but also, what you would
    call maybe responsible or with purpose. So
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    do you want to share a little bit more
    about that?
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    Saad: With the process behind? This was
    mind boggling to me. The sort of energy
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    that was in the room at the time, when we
    were discussing this was sort of, for me,
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    at least very hard to keep up with. And
    the challenge was to try and encapsulate
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    what that sort of very diverse
    perspectives that were coming in all at
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    the same time, because with the global
    innovation gathering and many other groups
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    of that sort. There's a lot of diversity
    and the nature of the people who are
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    working on maker spaces and co-working
    spaces are sort of enterprise type of
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    ecosystems or hackerspaces. They're very
    socially engaged and it tends to be in
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    response to the local environment in which
    they exist. So the learnings and the sort
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    of mindset that they have and they bring
    to this, this particular topic, that we're
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    talking about unlocked a whole world of
    opinions and perspectives. And all of that
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    was flooding in and to this room after
    having gone through the sort of ice
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    breaking thing, it was all just pouring in
    and it was very difficult to sort of sort
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    out what was happening. So the process was
    a mess. And if you look at the image now,
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    it's very neat and clean and tidy. But I
    feel every single aspect of what's being
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    portrayed here is a representation of this
    diversity in an international on a global
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    scale, and all of this was just before the
    pandemic and the idea of this of this
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    global perspective, bringing it through
    times of crisis, I think is phenomenal. I
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    mean, I could go on and on and Typekit,
    but that's just what I think at the point.
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    aprica: Thank you, and yeah, I also feel
    it's phenomenal, and we try to replicate
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    this kind of. Yeah. Sessions and workshops
    online and to have big whiteboards
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    together. But yeah, I'm very happy that we
    also got to build this still in person.
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    And so we came up with these five
    principles of integrate local knowledge of
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    make things that make sense, of share how
    you make like that's one of the openness
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    factors, of course, build for continuity
    and also include ecosystem services. So
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    look around you and look what's already
    there and also contribute back to what's
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    around you. And based on these and what we
    already talked about in particular making.
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    We built this project. And while I was
    away for three months and didn't look at
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    any email and recharged this year, the
    project team also updated this for our
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    project, so that we now look at being
    local and connected. Have like a social
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    background and what you're doing at the
    criticality. So be reflexive, have an
  • 28:23 - 28:29
    impact and change structures and adding to
    it the joyful and meaningful. But we
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    didn't found and our principles PAC Man,
    which is we of course, always think that's
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    part of it, hopefully.laughes So adding
    some glitter is always necessary. So this
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    from that slide is, what we're now working
    with and the critical making principles,
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    basically, and we are also building upon
    it in the next steps of the project. So I
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    would like to share, what we're now
    working on in the next few months, which
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    is on the next slide. The Critical Making
    Mentoring program, which is to be starting
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    to have an open call in January or early
    February. And then we'll go through four
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    will go on for the whole year. So on the
    next slide, you see, why are we doing
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    this? We did like a small survey within
    our own circles and again found, that
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    openness also for everybody in the global
    innovation gathering community is very
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    important value, which we knew, but it's
    nice to see it again. And then also the
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    economic opportunities of making all very
    important. So we're thinking about lower
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    income countries sometimes. But also if
    you look at high income countries, there's
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    so many volunteer projects like projects
    are doing in your free time that in the
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    end you would like to find somehow a way
    to further work on them. And what is
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    possible without any like economic
    background to add to it? And then also
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    inclusion was recognized as an important
    topic like including, for example, people
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    with lower technical skills and also, for
    example, having making more accessible for
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    people with disabilities. So we're looking
    at that. And on the next slide, you see,
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    I'm trying to live up to the value of
    sharing early, like one of those online
  • 30:50 - 30:58
    mind boards of like forts of seeing, what
    we want to be doing in the year in this
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    project. where we're having mentoring
    workshops throughout the summer and we
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    will hopefully in the end have an amazing
    demo week or demo day, where we also give
  • 31:14 - 31:22
    a reward for people who participate in it.
    And we're still in this last phase of co-
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    designing that program to prepare the open
    call. So I'm inviting you for watching now
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    already to watch our space, to maybe apply
    for the program or share it also with
  • 31:42 - 31:50
    others who could be interested in it. And
    last but not least, I would like to share
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    a few tools and. Resources, whereas
    currently assembling. So one of the things
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    we're preparing for the next two months, I
    think, is toolkits for researchers and
  • 32:05 - 32:13
    filmmakers. And you see on the next slide
    one example of a tool for makers, to learn
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    about open hardware, and I hope you all
    know this already. But if not, check out
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    this open hardware makers program. It's an
    amazing resource to learn like the basics
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    of open hardware. We collected, you see on
    the next slide, lots and lots of different
  • 32:38 - 32:44
    resources for people to look at. And this
    is just the first page of a long list,
  • 32:45 - 32:52
    that we want to publish in the next weeks
    for people to look at and to add to. And
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    then the last bit I want to be sharing is
    the self-reflection as a slider tool. And
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    this is what you find on the slider tool
    page, where we also look at the different
  • 33:11 - 33:22
    categories of the principles and where we
    use this tool once we start with the
  • 33:22 - 33:28
    mentoring program for people to just
    reflect back on their own making on their
  • 33:28 - 33:35
    own projects and where we have the idea
    that this would be like a like a game and
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    Saad, you created that idea together with
    a few other people also in Singapore to
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    just have like a needle to spin. And then
    you don't always answer it and the same
  • 33:50 - 33:54
    like one after the other question, but you
    can really make it also a little bit more
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    fun. So on the next page, you see how this
    was created, also from masi slides back
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    back, when we were meeting in person. So
    how it evolved and on the next slide, you
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    see some guiding cards, that should help
    you to actually think about what to ask
  • 34:20 - 34:27
    yourself like. How do you think about what
    makes sense or how do you think about
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    being self-sustainable and to to share a
    few questions around this? So you have
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    like a card game that you can have and you
    maker space and you can make a workshop
  • 34:38 - 34:46
    around it and work with other people in
    the maker space to speak about that. So,
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    and then on the last page, you see how to
    follow the project and how to contribute
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    to it also in the wiki factory community
    and where we will also be launching the
  • 35:04 - 35:14
    calls on these platforms very soon in the
    next year, which is basically tomorrow.
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    both are laughing And if you're watching
    this in January, it's maybe already there
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    in February. So now I would say call can
    come back.
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    Herald: Yes. Thank you very much for the
    talk. And before now, we have a few more
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    minutes for a quick Q&A session. And
    before we start that, I want to remind the
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    viewers and listeners that you can ask
    questions for this talk using Twitter and
  • 35:47 - 35:56
    Mastodon using the hashtag ac3xhain.
    That's rc3xhain. And you can also ask
  • 35:56 - 36:04
    questions on IRC on Hekint and using the
    Channel RC3-XHain. And we already got a
  • 36:04 - 36:10
    few questions in, and many of them are
    asking, where they can find more
  • 36:10 - 36:16
    information. So you already showed the
    link just now is everything you talked
  • 36:16 - 36:20
    about can be found on there, I think?
    aprica: Not everything is published yet.
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    Many of the things I just showed are also
    still a work in progress. And if somebody
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    is like, eager to have it immediately, we
    can of course share like our internal
  • 36:36 - 36:44
    boards with people, but otherwise we
    always like continuously publish things on
  • 36:44 - 36:49
    the website to to find. Yeah.
    Herald: OK. So the people just have to
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    follow you on Twitter and look at your
    website and reach out directly to you. And
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    then the next question I got here was What
    is frugal tech, exactly?
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    aprica: Saad, do you want to answer that?
    both are laughing
  • 37:05 - 37:11
    Saad: It's an interesting question. I
    mean, if depending on who you ask, it'll
  • 37:11 - 37:16
    probably get co-opted as a new buzzword or
    a hashtag, especially if you talk to the
  • 37:16 - 37:22
    voice of venture capital and sort of
    world. But the way I see it is sort of
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    like borrowing from the disruptive mindset
    where you look at what is available in the
  • 37:28 - 37:32
    marketplace and find a lower cost
    alternative for it. And when you look at
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    the assistive tech marketplace, when you
    work with persons with disabilities and
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    you look at the devices that are
    available, they suffer from high prices
  • 37:41 - 37:47
    because of supply and demand. And you have
    a fairly small, relatively small market
  • 37:47 - 37:53
    and the cost of production of a
    specialized device is quite high. So the
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    products that you find in the assistive
    tech marketplace tend to be very
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    expensive. And when you look at it, it
    could be as simple as just like a button,
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    which you just press the button and
    something happens and the button itself
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    costs like sixty five dollars. And it
    doesn't quite make sense to me that this
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    is a good thing, but that is what you will
    find in the marketplace. So to answer the
  • 38:18 - 38:24
    question. I think frugal tech or frugal
    innovation is to sort of think outside the
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    box of the normal, or at least the
    established workflow of making a product
  • 38:31 - 38:38
    that is this expensive to take the end
    price or the user perspective as the
  • 38:38 - 38:44
    starting point and then figure out the
    value chain from behind it are the cost of
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    production from from that point on with an
    inner makerspace that happens all the
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    time. You are working with things that
    you're not entirely sure of. So instead of
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    starting with something really, really
    expensive, you start with something that
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    is cheap and cheerful, something that you
    can have lots of. If you break one, that's
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    OK, you can always try it on another one.
    And then when you're confident with that,
  • 39:04 - 39:09
    you translate what you've learned into
    something that's a little bit expensive.
  • 39:09 - 39:16
    So that I think Approach speaks to, I
    think, what people are calling now frugal
  • 39:16 - 39:20
    tech or frugal innovation.
    aprica: Oh, my very short answer would
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    have been that just low cost, because
    that's the easiest I would be able to come
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    up with, but that's way more colorful now.
    I hope for everybody. laugh
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    Herald: Yes, and thank you for the great
    explanation. The next question we have is
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    how does this movement or how do you
    include people who are not that interested
  • 39:47 - 39:52
    in politics or the political side of
    making and just want to build cool stuff?
  • 39:52 - 39:56
    both laughing
    aprica: How do you do that in Singapore?
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    Well, it's very easy because, you know,
    the political scene in Singapore is quite,
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    how shall we put this? Not very exciting.
    And I don't really care much for politics
  • 40:07 - 40:11
    either. Whether it be like, you know, at
    the government level, our internal
  • 40:11 - 40:17
    politics within large companies, I just I
    just don't have the mental capacity for
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    wrap my head around that. So I really like
    to just do things. And I find that with a
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    physical thing, it's easier to talk about
    something. It sort of crystallizes what
  • 40:31 - 40:37
    your your ideas are, even if the thing is
    made out of Post-it notes or cardboard or,
  • 40:37 - 40:46
    you know, cable ties and duct tape. It
    just having that little physical, tangible
  • 40:46 - 40:55
    prototype helps focus the attention on the
    thing that you're trying to solve. So the
  • 40:55 - 41:02
    conversation I find becomes solution
    oriented rather than ideological process
  • 41:02 - 41:08
    or about manufacturing principles or
    design ideologies or even good ones. So I
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    find that it's not I mean, it didn't work
    all the time, but having something
  • 41:14 - 41:20
    tangible really helps to sort of bring
    that point back to the solution that
  • 41:20 - 41:24
    you're talking about.
    aprica: Yeah, yeah. And adding to that,
  • 41:24 - 41:29
    there's always like so many different
    levels of politics. So maybe you're not
  • 41:29 - 41:34
    interested in global or national or
    whatever politics, but you're still
  • 41:34 - 41:40
    interested to help your own community
    around you. So if you look at, I don't
  • 41:40 - 41:48
    know, sensors for airquality or if you
    look at providing free public Wi-Fi for
  • 41:48 - 41:54
    people or all these things are very
    political in one way and very much not
  • 41:54 - 42:00
    very political in another way, like
    depending on how you want to look at them.
  • 42:00 - 42:06
    So. So I think there will be like areas to
    contribute for anyone, like whether it's
  • 42:06 - 42:13
    for their own grandma or whether it's for
    like a whole school class. In the end,
  • 42:13 - 42:20
    that's not so important.
    Herald: OK. Very interesting. So I think
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    now our time for Q&A is almost over. So I
    want to thank both of you again for having
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    this really interesting talk here at our
    X-Hain stage. And I want to thank all of
  • 42:33 - 42:41
    you us for watching. And our next talk
    will happen in a bit more than an hour at
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    16:00. It's the car's audio. It's 407
    reverse engineering kochen, nähen break
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    points, and I hope we'll see you all
    there.
  • 42:51 - 42:58
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