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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.69,0:00:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Hello, and welcome back on the\Nx-Hain stage at this very strange RC3. Now
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.64,0:00:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the second day and our next talk is by\Naprica and Saad, we're going to talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.32,0:00:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to add critical making to your\Ncritical thinking to your making. And
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.28,0:00:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a talk two years ago at 35 c3\Nwhen we're still able to meet in person,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.36,0:00:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was also already talking about the\Nsubject. And this now kind of as a follow
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.04,0:00:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up. And they're going to talk about what\Nwe can learn from critical makers and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.12,0:00:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other grassroot initiatives. Yes, the\Nstage is yours.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.88,0:00:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Thank you, Carl. Thank you so much\Nfor hosting us here under the tree and
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.96,0:01:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,X-Hain. Well, maybe not so great to be\Nhere and great to have you all watching in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.32,0:01:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stream, and I hope next year we will\Nmeet on the trees again and also not on
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.80,0:01:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the trees and the at the rocket. So I'm\Naprica . I'm part of the global innovation
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.16,0:01:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gathering a big worldwide community that I\Noften describe as global erpha, which most
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.04,0:01:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the CCC- folks would know as a\NErfahrungsaustauschkreis. So knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.16,0:01:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sharing and circle. And so we are also a\Nknowledge sharing circle, and I'm joined
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.36,0:01:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Saad, who was one of the amazing\Nmembers of the association and of the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.16,0:01:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network of gig from Singapore. And do you\Nwant to quickly introduce yourself as
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.12,0:01:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well?\NSaad: Sure thing. I'm based in Singapore
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.00,0:02:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,normally, and last year we had a little\Ntalk about with Regina and on critical
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.16,0:02:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking and critical making, which was\Nactually quite phenomenal. The response
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.20,0:02:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was really great. And who had a chance to\Nwork on this, together with the other gig
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.84,0:02:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members, members of the Global Innovation\NGroup, which is also part. So I'm very
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.20,0:02:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy to be with you a little bit of my\Nbackground. I'm a tech person. I run a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.76,0:02:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small startup in Singapore and I also help\Nwith maker spaces and tech for good. And
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.64,0:02:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a huge coffee snob that that's me.\Naprica: Other people would call it coffee
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.00,0:02:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coffee geek. {\i1}both laughing{\i0}\NSaab:That works too.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.32,0:02:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Nice. So I think some people now\Nin the stream also see our slides and we
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.64,0:02:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are on the first slide. And on the second\Nslide, you would see a picture of an
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.04,0:03:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actual stage and an actual Congress where\NRegina and Saad last year defined
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.76,0:03:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,critical, making the topic rules two years\Nago. It's basically yesterday like pre-
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.12,0:03:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic, but it's also 100 years ago,\Nright? So last time{\i1}laughs{\i0} you spoke
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.72,0:03:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the topic, you define it as adding\Ncritical thinking to the making. And so we
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.80,0:03:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrive at critical making. And I guess\Nthere's like 200 other definitions of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.40,0:03:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this. Which one did you share, Saad?\NSaad: Making with a purpose, I think, is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.16,0:03:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one that puts the best. The idea that\Nthe skills and experience and knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.20,0:03:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have being applied towards something\Nthat is constructive and meaningful, and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.80,0:03:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means very different things to very\Ndifferent people. So depending on the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.60,0:03:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,context that you're in, the definition\Nchanges quite dramatically by sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.12,0:04:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digging down into it, making with a\Npurpose, understanding what that purpose
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.20,0:04:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, rather than just using your 3D printer\Nfor printing you over their heads all the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.12,0:04:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, you think about how this could\Nactually help people with customization,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.12,0:04:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,personalization, things like that. So\Nthat's the that's the sort of thing that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.60,0:04:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,definition, but I prefer to making with\Nthe purpase.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.16,0:04:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Well, yeah, that's certainly one\Nof them. Yeah, very easy to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.72,0:04:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once. Also, it's also very academic\Nconcept. And so everybody who's interested
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.64,0:04:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this whole concept and all and all the\Ndifferent areas of critical making, we
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.16,0:04:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highly recommend. I highly recommend\Nbecause speaking of this, I really
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.84,0:04:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recommend to watch the talk by Regina and\NSaad. It's like one hour long, and it will
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.20,0:04:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give them very comprehensive and also\Nacademic viewpoint of the topic. And today
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.28,0:05:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we will focus more on, what\Nhappened since then and what's beyond just
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.68,0:05:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the not just beyond the concept. So to go\Nto the third slide, you see, this is one
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.04,0:05:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the pictures also shared in the talk\Nback then of the global innovation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.68,0:05:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gathering, when we also were still\Ngathering physically with the Big Blue
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.80,0:05:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mobile Lab. And I would love to go like\Nfor two minutes into what's happened since
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.32,0:05:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we gathered the last time. So what\Nhappened during the pandemic in terms of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.64,0:05:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how? How did critical making evolve in\Npublic perception during the time of the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.16,0:05:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic? Saad, what would you say?\NSaad: Well, I think we've seen a
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.24,0:06:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phenomenal response, a global response\Nfrom makers to meet the needs of what the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.84,0:06:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic has surfaced. I mean, I think\Nthere's a phenomenal potential here in the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.64,0:06:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nature of this response. But if we\Nremember about a year or so ago and I
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.72,0:06:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, time is broken because of COVID, but\Nabout a year or so ago, there was this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.44,0:06:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortage of personal protective equipment,\NPPE and people came forward in order to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.16,0:06:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try and help. And it wasn't just health\Ncare workers, it wasn't just social
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.40,0:06:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workers. It was anybody and everybody who\Nhad skills or knowledge or experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.64,0:06:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tried to find a way to make themselves\Nuseful. And this happening on a global
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.56,0:06:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scale in response to something like the\Npersonal shortage of PPE. Drew out a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.60,0:06:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of critical neighbors, as in makers who\Nwere quite comfortable with how 3D
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.48,0:07:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,printers work or how maker spaces work,\Nand trying to apply that to a social need,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.00,0:07:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think is remarkable in itself. But\Non a global scale, I think that that that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.44,0:07:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential is phenomenal, that all of us\Nhave had to find ways to adapt digitally
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.44,0:07:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go online and do things remotely. And\NI really miss having a CCC in person, for
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.60,0:07:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, and the global innovation\Ngathering hasn't happened in person. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.96,0:07:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really do miss that and I'm looking\Nforward to a time where we're able to meet
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.88,0:07:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in person again, trying to stay\Noptimistic, but with we're still not out
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.36,0:07:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of it yet. The pandemic is still very much\Nsomething we're adapting to, something
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.72,0:07:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're responding to. And to answer\Nyour question, what's changed, I feel, is
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.08,0:07:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people are now more involved. People\Nwho are normally sort of in their own
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.72,0:08:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maker spaces bubble or in the tech bubble\Nor in the hacker space bubble are now more
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.64,0:08:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved and more engaged and recognized\Nfor the skills to be relevant to a social
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.80,0:08:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cause. So I think moving forward, I would\Nlike to see us try and tap on that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.32,0:08:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential as much as possible.\Naprica: Yeah, definitely, and I mean, the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.12,0:08:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space we're in at the moment, the Ixion\Ncan make space was like at the forefront
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.52,0:08:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together with, of course, many other\Nspaces in Germany to produce such
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.00,0:08:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protective equipment. And if you see\Naround around us now, you also see like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.40,0:08:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of figurines of, I don't know, Yoda\Nhats, for example, and many other things
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.92,0:08:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that bring joy to making as well. And\Nthat, for example, help to educate about,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.20,0:08:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which tools to use, for example. And then,\Nyeah, looking in what you're doing in
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.28,0:09:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Singapore, was creating toys for children\Nwith disabilities, which you also sharing
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.16,0:09:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the talk two years ago, where they can\Ninteract with like big buttons instead of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.78,0:09:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like tiny, tiny things that they can't\Nreally touch and interact with. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.85,0:09:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also bringing lots of joy. And it's not\Nonly always to counter a pandemic, but it
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.35,0:09:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was there before. And now I think it's\Nvery, yeah, more in mainstream. Well, it
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.86,0:09:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was for a time more arriving in mainstream\Nthat this is really, yeah, a movement or
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.96,0:09:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movements to follow and to contribute to\Nas well. So what we often do and this is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.06,0:09:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next slide is we create a Horizon 2020\Nproposal for things we want to do. And so
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.84,0:10:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is my work actually to bring in\Nfunding that lasts us for two and a half
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.78,0:10:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years, for example, in this case, to\Nreally further research, to collaborate
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.80,0:10:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with researchers as a civil society\Norganization ourselves and to be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.77,0:10:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work together globally on a specific\Nproject and on a specific topic. So in the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.33,0:10:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,craziness of the beginning of the\Npandemic, we found that critical making is
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.40,0:10:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one topic that is not very researched\Nand that we can contribute to as a network
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.44,0:10:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also connecting with Regina as part of\Nthe two billion and other organizations
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.27,0:10:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you see here with Vicki Factory.\NThat's a global platform for makers to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.53,0:10:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share designs, for example, and to find a\Ncommunity of other designers and makers
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.68,0:11:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Center for Social Innovation in\NAustria and also Vitt in Finland. So we've
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.09,0:11:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced this project together that got\Nfinally accepted by the European Union,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.80,0:11:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was really nice. And so we are now\Nthankful for getting support for the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.08,0:11:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research we're doing now in critical\Nmaking. So this was after after Congress
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.02,0:11:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we wrote this. And the main goal and\Nyou see this on the next slide, is to help
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.09,0:11:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make a communities to work with anyone to\Ncontribute to open source innovation. And
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.27,0:11:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so from this very complex like research\Nframeworks that Horizon 2020 is using,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.16,0:11:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the responsible research and\Ninnovation framework and others, we found
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.20,0:12:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it connects very well with values\Nthat also we want to further contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.77,0:12:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to, like openness, like inclusion. And so\Nwe selected a few of those. We selected
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.25,0:12:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gender diversity, we selected young\Ntalents. We call it because in such
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.79,0:12:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposals, you often have to use language\Nthat speaks to the funder. And we also
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.25,0:12:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,selected openness as a very broad term,\Nalso to research on. And today I would
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.99,0:12:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like to show you a little bit of what's\Nalready happened, because we're now at the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.50,0:12:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end of the first year of the project and\Nshow you about what we're up to as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.28,0:12:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to just give you a very tiny glimpse\Ninto, what we did in the gender work
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.44,0:13:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,package, we work with different spaces,\Ndifferent makers in several countries. And
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.62,0:13:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this case, I brought two examples of\Ncase studies that will be published soon
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.48,0:13:20.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about different spaces. The. One is Miss\NBaltazar Laboratory and Austria, which I
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.65,0:13:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highly recommend to check out. And then\Nthere were like many different more and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.06,0:13:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also X-Hain. And of course, I need to show\Nthat here as we are in X-Hain at the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.98,0:13:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moment. {\i1}laughs{\i0} And this is super nice\Nbecause of course, if you like think about
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.16,0:13:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gender, many people would assume it's only\Nabout like inclusion of women of girls in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.96,0:13:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maker spaces. But of course it's not. It's\Nlike to have an understanding of the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.89,0:14:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,multitude of genders and also like them to\Nto include everyone. Also have a nice
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.40,0:14:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space for people identifying as male,\Nfemale and many other genders. And in this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.16,0:14:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case, it's just so nice also about X-Hain,\Nthat they are not saying like we have
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.48,0:14:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space for women or we have space for only\Nfor a specific kind of nerd. But we want
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.12,0:14:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be very, very inclusive and very safe\Nfor everyone. So that's just a very tiny
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.67,0:14:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,examples you will find online more in our\Ndeliverables. We call it that. Yeah. The
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.99,0:14:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reports that we have to hand in to the\NEuropean Union. And then after handing
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.84,0:14:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them in, we take snippets out of these and\Npublished them and a more like human
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.04,0:14:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interaction formats, that people outside\Nof academia can also read better and watch
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.50,0:15:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better. Than the next one I see in slide\Nnine is Yang Taelons, which basically make
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.50,0:15:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about maker education for young people.\NAnd there you already find online, and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.14,0:15:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the next slide. The review of\Nmeasures to integrate young people into
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.00,0:15:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make a community. And then we looked\Nmostly only at Germany at the moment and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.03,0:15:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to be creating this for other\Ncountries as well. So if you're interested
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.71,0:15:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this part of the project, you can\Nalready download like the full report, the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.27,0:15:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first one. But you can also reach out to\Nus and contribute to the next steps. And
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.46,0:15:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the part in the next slide openness,\Nwhich is the one that I want to be talking
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.36,0:16:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit more about, because that's\Nthe one, where we're mostly working
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.26,0:16:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together here. So for openness, you see in\Nthe next slide, that was some academic
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.72,0:16:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,article now published, which is a\Nliterature review on the openness
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.14,0:16:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,practices and which is like, very directed\Nfor researchers, of course. But we're also
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.75,0:16:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting to make, yeah, like talks like\Nthis about what was found out by our
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.86,0:16:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,colleagues, who were doing the literature\Nreview. So in the next slide, you see a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.97,0:16:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little bit more accessible. What they\Nfound is that openness, as probably all of
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.60,0:16:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you also know, it's one of the core values\Nof global makeup movements. But as you
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.30,0:16:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably also all know, there are lots and\Nlots of different interpretations and ways
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.20,0:17:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of practicing this. So we can speak about\Nopen hardware, which is probably one of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.40,0:17:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most obvious for many of the people\Njust watching this, because it's also
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.75,0:17:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something we speak at Chaos Congress all\Nthe time. So like sharing what you're
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.94,0:17:28.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making and like open repositories, for\Nexample, creating very easy tech like
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.100,0:17:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frugal tech, customizing things. So that's\Nall integral part of open hardware. I
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.89,0:17:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would say from then found other aspects\Nthat are strong in the literature as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.76,0:17:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like openness can also be understood as\Ninclusion and empowerment of, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.23,0:17:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people with disabilities, but also\Ngenerally consumers or ethnic minorities.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.32,0:18:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all different kinds of inclusions that\None could think of. It's probably like one
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.26,0:18:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the things, I think also a slick\Nhacker. Ethics is concerned, but. That is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.37,0:18:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe not always in our minds and then\Nalso very important economic growth,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.63,0:18:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if we look at the global scale\Nof the maker movement. So that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.92,0:18:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open business models, for example, and\Nhigh innovation activities and. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.41,0:18:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,field. And so this already shows also lots\Nof tension, so I would like to go to the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.87,0:18:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next slide, where you see the tensions\Nidentified in the scientific literature.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.94,0:19:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's lots of tension between\Ndifferent economic stances like people who
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.51,0:19:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to have their make up practice,\Nmostly for leisure purposes, mostly for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.69,0:19:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also capitalistic or anti capitalistic\Npurposes. So this is quite an important
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.24,0:19:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tension to identify and also to to work\Naround. Then tensions arising from
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.81,0:19:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different imagined areas of the future\Nrole of making like, do you use it in a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.99,0:19:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revolutionary sense or in the sense that\Ncontributes to the current status of the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.52,0:19:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capitalist system, for example? And then\Nalso, of course, always that's maybe the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.36,0:19:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,least important finding between individual\Nand collective orientations, where you
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.36,0:20:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often have, like, What do I do? And what\Nis good for society is. Something that's
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.15,0:20:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always important to to go forward with us\Nas a discussion. Yeah. So these are the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.90,0:20:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientific findings from this article. Not\Nnot all of them, of course. Please read
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.48,0:20:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the article also has more in it. And do\Nyou want to add something, Saad? You will
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.78,0:20:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring more examples of these different\Ntensions, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.64,0:20:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saad: Yeah, I mean, I have my perspective\Nis always the sort of hands on learning by
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.24,0:20:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example kind of approach. For the more\Nacademic perspective, I turn to Regina and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.01,0:20:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who are with the academic\Ncommunity. So I won't I can't really speak
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.48,0:21:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that perspective. But, to add to what\Nyou've already said, I think the the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.32,0:21:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nature of the work, at least from my\Nperspective, being all hands on does meet
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.21,0:21:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of resistance with these\Nrestrictions, you the whole pandemic
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.86,0:21:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation. So I'm hoping that we are going\Nto see more examples of people coming
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.27,0:21:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forward with a more constructive mindset\Nand the ability to share. Because we've
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.64,0:21:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seen examples of this in response to the\Npandemic, and some of that is now starting
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.20,0:21:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show up in people's mindset. And when\Npeople who are normally not so engaged
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.09,0:21:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with engineering, good, where I volunteer,\Nis depends entirely on volunteers. And
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.74,0:22:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes people show up like once a week,\Nonce one weekend a month to volunteer, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.75,0:22:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they go back into their day to day\Nlives and we see them every now and again,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.26,0:22:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they have the time. But in the last\Nfew in the recent past, we've seen a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.49,0:22:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different kind of volunteer, a different\Nkind of mindset that they bring to their
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.64,0:22:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work. And it seems a little bit more\Nmotivated, I feel. And so the work, that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.92,0:22:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been doing in the past, this idea of\Nbeing open and to share and to be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.96,0:22:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look into other people's work and try and\Nreplicate it, that aspect is starting to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.84,0:22:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get to be more welcomed by these\Nvolunteers. It's not seen as an alien
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.10,0:22:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea. It's not like you have to sort of\Nlike workshop it and get people
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.45,0:22:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comfortable with this idea. And in Asian\Ncultures, that more of that is necessary,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.53,0:23:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel. But the remarkable difference, I\Nthink. I don't know if this is just me,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.60,0:23:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but from what I've seen, the mindset has\Nshifted and people are more open to trying
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.31,0:23:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new things and also sharing what they've\Ntried, rather than waiting until they get
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.92,0:23:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a point, that something works and then\Nthey share it. So the process of that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.68,0:23:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're going through is something that\Nyou don't, at least with Asian
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.35,0:23:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sensibilities, you tend not to share it.\NYou would think that it's not good enough
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.32,0:23:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's not fully formed yet. So you tend\Nto keep it to yourself or just a few
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.94,0:23:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that you're working with and it\Nnever gets documented. It never gets
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.52,0:23:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shared. But I'm starting to see more\Nexamples of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.22,0:23:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Yeah, I think that's not only\NAsian. Asian problem {\i1}laughs{\i0}, but we have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.98,0:23:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it like everywhere that you have so many\Nprojects or left foot products that people
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.62,0:24:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create, that are like prototypes to a\Ncertain stage and then you either don't
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.57,0:24:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have time for it anymore or you just feel\Nlike you can't finish it and it never gets
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.71,0:24:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documented. So that's also one of the\Nissues. We found another identified when
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.36,0:24:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we met in 2019 in Kenya and the crew. This\Nthe global innovation gathering in the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.28,0:24:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Work Workshop kind of conference, and\Nwe came up with what is shared on the next
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.00,0:24:35.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,slide. The principles of sustainable\Nmaking and sustainable is not only
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.45,0:24:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,environmentally, but also, what you would\Ncall maybe responsible or with purpose. So
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.96,0:24:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you want to share a little bit more\Nabout that?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.94,0:24:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saad: With the process behind? This was\Nmind boggling to me. The sort of energy
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.97,0:25:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was in the room at the time, when we\Nwere discussing this was sort of, for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.25,0:25:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least very hard to keep up with. And\Nthe challenge was to try and encapsulate
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.88,0:25:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what that sort of very diverse\Nperspectives that were coming in all at
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.95,0:25:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same time, because with the global\Ninnovation gathering and many other groups
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.14,0:25:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that sort. There's a lot of diversity\Nand the nature of the people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.22,0:25:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on maker spaces and co-working\Nspaces are sort of enterprise type of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.85,0:25:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ecosystems or hackerspaces. They're very\Nsocially engaged and it tends to be in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.69,0:25:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,response to the local environment in which\Nthey exist. So the learnings and the sort
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.04,0:25:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of mindset that they have and they bring\Nto this, this particular topic, that we're
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.26,0:25:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about unlocked a whole world of\Nopinions and perspectives. And all of that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.32,0:26:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was flooding in and to this room after\Nhaving gone through the sort of ice
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.42,0:26:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breaking thing, it was all just pouring in\Nand it was very difficult to sort of sort
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.08,0:26:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out what was happening. So the process was\Na mess. And if you look at the image now,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.40,0:26:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very neat and clean and tidy. But I\Nfeel every single aspect of what's being
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.77,0:26:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,portrayed here is a representation of this\Ndiversity in an international on a global
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.97,0:26:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scale, and all of this was just before the\Npandemic and the idea of this of this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.30,0:26:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global perspective, bringing it through\Ntimes of crisis, I think is phenomenal. I
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.65,0:26:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean, I could go on and on and Typekit,\Nbut that's just what I think at the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.11,0:26:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Thank you, and yeah, I also feel\Nit's phenomenal, and we try to replicate
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.42,0:27:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this kind of. Yeah. Sessions and workshops\Nonline and to have big whiteboards
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.28,0:27:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together. But yeah, I'm very happy that we\Nalso got to build this still in person.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.88,0:27:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we came up with these five\Nprinciples of integrate local knowledge of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.12,0:27:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make things that make sense, of share how\Nyou make like that's one of the openness
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.88,0:27:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,factors, of course, build for continuity\Nand also include ecosystem services. So
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.12,0:27:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look around you and look what's already\Nthere and also contribute back to what's
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.96,0:27:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around you. And based on these and what we\Nalready talked about in particular making.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.40,0:27:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We built this project. And while I was\Naway for three months and didn't look at
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.88,0:28:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any email and recharged this year, the\Nproject team also updated this for our
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.84,0:28:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project, so that we now look at being\Nlocal and connected. Have like a social
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.56,0:28:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background and what you're doing at the\Ncriticality. So be reflexive, have an
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.20,0:28:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impact and change structures and adding to\Nit the joyful and meaningful. But we
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.28,0:28:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't found and our principles PAC Man,\Nwhich is we of course, always think that's
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.32,0:28:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of it, hopefully.{\i1}laughes{\i0} So adding\Nsome glitter is always necessary. So this
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.88,0:28:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from that slide is, what we're now working\Nwith and the critical making principles,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.08,0:28:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically, and we are also building upon\Nit in the next steps of the project. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.68,0:29:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would like to share, what we're now\Nworking on in the next few months, which
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.92,0:29:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is on the next slide. The Critical Making\NMentoring program, which is to be starting
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.92,0:29:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have an open call in January or early\NFebruary. And then we'll go through four
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.28,0:29:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will go on for the whole year. So on the\Nnext slide, you see, why are we doing
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.48,0:29:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this? We did like a small survey within\Nour own circles and again found, that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.16,0:29:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,openness also for everybody in the global\Ninnovation gathering community is very
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.72,0:29:49.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important value, which we knew, but it's\Nnice to see it again. And then also the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.04,0:29:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic opportunities of making all very\Nimportant. So we're thinking about lower
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.38,0:30:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,income countries sometimes. But also if\Nyou look at high income countries, there's
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.40,0:30:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many volunteer projects like projects\Nare doing in your free time that in the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.28,0:30:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end you would like to find somehow a way\Nto further work on them. And what is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.92,0:30:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible without any like economic\Nbackground to add to it? And then also
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.04,0:30:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inclusion was recognized as an important\Ntopic like including, for example, people
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.48,0:30:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lower technical skills and also, for\Nexample, having making more accessible for
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.52,0:30:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people with disabilities. So we're looking\Nat that. And on the next slide, you see,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.48,0:30:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to live up to the value of\Nsharing early, like one of those online
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.00,0:30:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mind boards of like forts of seeing, what\Nwe want to be doing in the year in this
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.40,0:31:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project. where we're having mentoring\Nworkshops throughout the summer and we
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.48,0:31:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will hopefully in the end have an amazing\Ndemo week or demo day, where we also give
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.48,0:31:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a reward for people who participate in it.\NAnd we're still in this last phase of co-
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.98,0:31:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designing that program to prepare the open\Ncall. So I'm inviting you for watching now
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.16,0:31:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already to watch our space, to maybe apply\Nfor the program or share it also with
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.16,0:31:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others who could be interested in it. And\Nlast but not least, I would like to share
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.52,0:31:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few tools and. Resources, whereas\Ncurrently assembling. So one of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.12,0:32:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're preparing for the next two months, I\Nthink, is toolkits for researchers and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.96,0:32:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,filmmakers. And you see on the next slide\None example of a tool for makers, to learn
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.72,0:32:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about open hardware, and I hope you all\Nknow this already. But if not, check out
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.76,0:32:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this open hardware makers program. It's an\Namazing resource to learn like the basics
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.64,0:32:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of open hardware. We collected, you see on\Nthe next slide, lots and lots of different
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.48,0:32:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resources for people to look at. And this\Nis just the first page of a long list,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.04,0:32:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we want to publish in the next weeks\Nfor people to look at and to add to. And
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.16,0:33:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the last bit I want to be sharing is\Nthe self-reflection as a slider tool. And
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.12,0:33:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is what you find on the slider tool\Npage, where we also look at the different
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.36,0:33:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,categories of the principles and where we\Nuse this tool once we start with the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.84,0:33:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentoring program for people to just\Nreflect back on their own making on their
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.68,0:33:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own projects and where we have the idea\Nthat this would be like a like a game and
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.44,0:33:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saad, you created that idea together with\Na few other people also in Singapore to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.76,0:33:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just have like a needle to spin. And then\Nyou don't always answer it and the same
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.24,0:33:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like one after the other question, but you\Ncan really make it also a little bit more
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.40,0:34:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fun. So on the next page, you see how this\Nwas created, also from masi slides back
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.60,0:34:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back, when we were meeting in person. So\Nhow it evolved and on the next slide, you
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.80,0:34:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see some guiding cards, that should help\Nyou to actually think about what to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.16,0:34:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yourself like. How do you think about what\Nmakes sense or how do you think about
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.36,0:34:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being self-sustainable and to to share a\Nfew questions around this? So you have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.04,0:34:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a card game that you can have and you\Nmaker space and you can make a workshop
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.16,0:34:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around it and work with other people in\Nthe maker space to speak about that. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.76,0:34:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then on the last page, you see how to\Nfollow the project and how to contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.28,0:35:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it also in the wiki factory community\Nand where we will also be launching the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.81,0:35:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calls on these platforms very soon in the\Nnext year, which is basically tomorrow.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.82,0:35:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}both are laughing{\i0} And if you're watching\Nthis in January, it's maybe already there
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.71,0:35:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in February. So now I would say call can\Ncome back.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.84,0:35:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yes. Thank you very much for the\Ntalk. And before now, we have a few more
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.68,0:35:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minutes for a quick Q&A session. And\Nbefore we start that, I want to remind the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.28,0:35:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,viewers and listeners that you can ask\Nquestions for this talk using Twitter and
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.04,0:35:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mastodon using the hashtag ac3xhain.\NThat's rc3xhain. And you can also ask
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.40,0:36:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions on IRC on Hekint and using the\NChannel RC3-XHain. And we already got a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:04.32,0:36:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few questions in, and many of them are\Nasking, where they can find more
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.32,0:36:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information. So you already showed the\Nlink just now is everything you talked
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.60,0:36:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about can be found on there, I think?\Naprica: Not everything is published yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.24,0:36:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of the things I just showed are also\Nstill a work in progress. And if somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.60,0:36:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like, eager to have it immediately, we\Ncan of course share like our internal
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.32,0:36:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boards with people, but otherwise we\Nalways like continuously publish things on
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.14,0:36:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the website to to find. Yeah.\NHerald: OK. So the people just have to
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.44,0:36:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,follow you on Twitter and look at your\Nwebsite and reach out directly to you. And
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.80,0:37:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the next question I got here was What\Nis frugal tech, exactly?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.32,0:37:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: Saad, do you want to answer that?\N{\i1}both are laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.33,0:37:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saad: It's an interesting question. I\Nmean, if depending on who you ask, it'll
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.81,0:37:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably get co-opted as a new buzzword or\Na hashtag, especially if you talk to the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.11,0:37:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voice of venture capital and sort of\Nworld. But the way I see it is sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.50,0:37:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like borrowing from the disruptive mindset\Nwhere you look at what is available in the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.98,0:37:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marketplace and find a lower cost\Nalternative for it. And when you look at
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.20,0:37:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the assistive tech marketplace, when you\Nwork with persons with disabilities and
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.13,0:37:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you look at the devices that are\Navailable, they suffer from high prices
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.84,0:37:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of supply and demand. And you have\Na fairly small, relatively small market
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.49,0:37:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cost of production of a\Nspecialized device is quite high. So the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.57,0:37:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products that you find in the assistive\Ntech marketplace tend to be very
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.99,0:38:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expensive. And when you look at it, it\Ncould be as simple as just like a button,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.04,0:38:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you just press the button and\Nsomething happens and the button itself
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.23,0:38:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,costs like sixty five dollars. And it\Ndoesn't quite make sense to me that this
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.69,0:38:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a good thing, but that is what you will\Nfind in the marketplace. So to answer the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.65,0:38:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question. I think frugal tech or frugal\Ninnovation is to sort of think outside the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.53,0:38:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,box of the normal, or at least the\Nestablished workflow of making a product
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.78,0:38:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is this expensive to take the end\Nprice or the user perspective as the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.72,0:38:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting point and then figure out the\Nvalue chain from behind it are the cost of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.68,0:38:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,production from from that point on with an\Ninner makerspace that happens all the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.49,0:38:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. You are working with things that\Nyou're not entirely sure of. So instead of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.45,0:38:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting with something really, really\Nexpensive, you start with something that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.29,0:39:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is cheap and cheerful, something that you\Ncan have lots of. If you break one, that's
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.50,0:39:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, you can always try it on another one.\NAnd then when you're confident with that,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.22,0:39:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you translate what you've learned into\Nsomething that's a little bit expensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.33,0:39:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that I think Approach speaks to, I\Nthink, what people are calling now frugal
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.60,0:39:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tech or frugal innovation.\Naprica: Oh, my very short answer would
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.11,0:39:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been that just low cost, because\Nthat's the easiest I would be able to come
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.20,0:39:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up with, but that's way more colorful now.\NI hope for everybody. {\i1}laugh{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.98,0:39:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yes, and thank you for the great\Nexplanation. The next question we have is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.71,0:39:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how does this movement or how do you\Ninclude people who are not that interested
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.10,0:39:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in politics or the political side of\Nmaking and just want to build cool stuff?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.17,0:39:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}both laughing{\i0}\Naprica: How do you do that in Singapore?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.09,0:40:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it's very easy because, you know,\Nthe political scene in Singapore is quite,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.79,0:40:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how shall we put this? Not very exciting.\NAnd I don't really care much for politics
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.54,0:40:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either. Whether it be like, you know, at\Nthe government level, our internal
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.41,0:40:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics within large companies, I just I\Njust don't have the mental capacity for
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.91,0:40:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrap my head around that. So I really like\Nto just do things. And I find that with a
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.44,0:40:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,physical thing, it's easier to talk about\Nsomething. It sort of crystallizes what
Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.58,0:40:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your your ideas are, even if the thing is\Nmade out of Post-it notes or cardboard or,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.33,0:40:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, cable ties and duct tape. It\Njust having that little physical, tangible
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.44,0:40:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prototype helps focus the attention on the\Nthing that you're trying to solve. So the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.06,0:41:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversation I find becomes solution\Noriented rather than ideological process
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.74,0:41:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or about manufacturing principles or\Ndesign ideologies or even good ones. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.04,0:41:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find that it's not I mean, it didn't work\Nall the time, but having something
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.36,0:41:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tangible really helps to sort of bring\Nthat point back to the solution that
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.58,0:41:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're talking about.\Naprica: Yeah, yeah. And adding to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.84,0:41:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's always like so many different\Nlevels of politics. So maybe you're not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.08,0:41:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested in global or national or\Nwhatever politics, but you're still
Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.85,0:41:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interested to help your own community\Naround you. So if you look at, I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.04,0:41:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, sensors for airquality or if you\Nlook at providing free public Wi-Fi for
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.75,0:41:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people or all these things are very\Npolitical in one way and very much not
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.87,0:42:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very political in another way, like\Ndepending on how you want to look at them.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.04,0:42:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So. So I think there will be like areas to\Ncontribute for anyone, like whether it's
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.25,0:42:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their own grandma or whether it's for\Nlike a whole school class. In the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.18,0:42:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not so important.\NHerald: OK. Very interesting. So I think
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.22,0:42:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now our time for Q&A is almost over. So I\Nwant to thank both of you again for having
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.14,0:42:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this really interesting talk here at our\NX-Hain stage. And I want to thank all of
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.38,0:42:40.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you us for watching. And our next talk\Nwill happen in a bit more than an hour at
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.65,0:42:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,16:00. It's the car's audio. It's 407\Nreverse engineering kochen, nähen break
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.96,0:42:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,points, and I hope we'll see you all\Nthere.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.13,0:42:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aprica: And maybe I'm sorry, Tony\Ncommercial if you're still there. Go to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.47,0:43:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the open hardware. Happy hour and also go\Nto on the last day to the prototype and
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