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  1. [Tania Bruguera: "The Francis Effect"]
  2. [BRUGUERA] Hi guys, how are you doing?
  3. Hi, how are you doing?
  4. Hi guys, how are you doing?
  5. [WOMAN] Fine, you?
  6. [BRUGUERA] Good. I'm...
  7. Hi guys.
  8. Hi guys, how are you doing? Hi.
  9. [WOMAN] Hi.
  10. [BRUGUERA] I'm one of the artists in the Latin
    American exhibition.
  11. And, one of the...
  12. [MAN] Oh, we just came from there!
  13. [BRUGUERA] Yeah?
  14. And one of the projects I'm doing
  15. is a petition to ask Pope Fran...
  16. [WOMAN] But I'm not American.
  17. [BRUGUERA] That's okay.
  18. Where are you from, Italy?
  19. [WOMAN] Si.
  20. [BRUGUERA, SPEAKING IN ITALIAN]
  21. [BRUGUERA] One of the projects I'm doing is
    a petition I created
  22. to ask Pope Francis to give Vatican City citizenship...
  23. [MAN] Okay.
  24. [BRUGUERA] ...to immigrants nobody wants,
  25. like undocumented and refugees,
  26. no matter what religion they profess,
  27. no matter what country they are from,
  28. no matter what race they are.
  29. [WOMAN #1, IN ITALIAN] Sign, sign!
  30. Sign, sign!
  31. [WOMAN #2, IN ITALIAN] What is it?
  32. [WOMAN #1, IN ITALIAN] It is a petition to ask Pope Francis to give undocumented
  33. immigrants citizenship from the Vatican.
  34. [WOMAN #2, IN ITALIAN] Oh, great!
  35. [BRUGERA] I'm an artist who works with immigration
    issues.
  36. I want to get into people's minds
  37. and people's political imaginary.
  38. For me, it's really nice when I talk to people
  39. and they kind of get the idea.
  40. You can see something in the expression.
  41. And I think it's interesting because
  42. a lot of people know it's impossible.
  43. Like, they say, "Well, this is impossible."
  44. But the impossible is only impossible until
    somebody makes it possible.
  45. [WOMAN] Oh, yeah, I can't do that.
  46. [BRUGUERA] Okay, why?
  47. [WOMAN] Because my family came here legally,
  48. and so does everyone else.
  49. [BRUGUERA] But...
  50. [WOMAN] I can't...
  51. [WOMAN] No, it's okay.
  52. [BRUGUERA] No?
  53. [BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] And you are from Argentina?
  54. [WOMAN, IN SPANISH] Yes.
  55. [BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Look at that! You are
    the first Argentines that do not sign!
  56. Why not?
  57. [WOMAN, IN SPANISH] The truth is that
  58. I must be very invested in the issue
  59. and agree with your project in order to sign.
  60. [BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Of course.
  61. If you have any questions I can answer them.
  62. [MALE STREET PERFORMER SINGING "NEW YORK,
    NEW YORK"]
  63. ♪ I'm gonna make a brand new start of it ♪
  64. ♪ Here in ol' New York ♪
  65. ♪ And if I can make it there ♪
  66. ♪ I'll make it anywhere... ♪
  67. [BRUGUERA] The Pope has a double function.
  68. It is a head of state,
  69. but at the same time, it's a head of the church.
  70. "The Francis Effect" is an art piece
  71. that wants to talk about the Catholic church,
  72. specifically the Vatican as a political entity.
  73. The Vatican is a recognized state
  74. that was conceived out of an idea--
  75. in this case, a religious idea.
  76. So, what if we have all the places in the
    world
  77. in which people gathered together out of an
    idea
  78. and not out of a piece of land that belonged
    to your ancestors.
  79. That's the Pangea.
  80. [WOMAN] This is what the continents used to
    look like...
  81. [BRUGUERA] Super... Yeah, exactly.
  82. [WOMAN] ...before they got split up by earthquakes.
  83. [MAN] Okay.
  84. [BRUGUERA] And then it was way before countries
    existed
  85. and borders existed,
  86. so when everybody could go wherever they want,
  87. without visas and papers.
  88. The Pope was in Lampedusa,
  89. and he made a pretty emotional speech there.
  90. Very symbolic.
  91. The table had the shape of a boat,
  92. so it was like an art piece, you know?
  93. It was like an installation.
  94. The Pope has been very outspoken
  95. about treating immigrants differently.
  96. And he came up with the globalization of indifference,
  97. as a concept, that I really liked.
  98. I feel, like many other people,
  99. that this is a problem that has to be solved
    on a global scale,
  100. with international institutions.
  101. Immigrants do not need charity; they need
    papers.
  102. Let's take the Pope's words and ask him to
    walk the...
  103. Walk the talk? That's how you say it?
  104. [BRUGUERA, IN ITALIAN] Are you also a Methodist?
  105. Are you an atheist?
  106. I am also an atheist. Ok, thank you.
  107. Have a nice day.
  108. [BRUGUERA] This is very simple performance
    art.
  109. I'm interacting with the audience one to one.
  110. I decided that I was going to produce art
    for people
  111. who do not think like me.
  112. [BRUGUERA] ...anywhere.
  113. You tell me one country, and I'll tell you
    if there is immigrants there.
  114. [WOMAN] Syria?
  115. [BRUGUERA] Uh, yes, there are, actually.
  116. [BRUGUERA] It's harder, I know.
  117. But I think it's more satisfying because
  118. the friction that you can create
  119. when you're having these conversations
  120. is more fulfilling for me
  121. than just, like, a little pat on the shoulder.
  122. But the signature is kind of the theatrics
    that you need
  123. for people who don't believe in art--
  124. people who don't believe in the power of ideas.
  125. At the same, it is a way to mobilize people
  126. to think the impossible, you know?
  127. Like, what if somebody actually decides to
    say,
  128. "Yes, I'll give all the immigrants in the
    world,"
  129. "who are undocumented or refugees,"
  130. "their papers."
  131. So they can be seen other than illegal or
    a negative way.
  132. Even if they don't sign, that they think about
    it, you know?
  133. And then put the little seed in their head.
  134. That's for me what art is.
  135. [GIRL, IN SPANISH] They should.
  136. [BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Yes they should. It's
    only fair, right?
  137. I can't ask you to sign because you are minors.
  138. You need your parents to authorize you
  139. because you are minors.
  140. But yes, at the very least I can give you
  141. our website so that you can get the information.
  142. [BOY, IN SPANISH] Mom, come!
  143. Dad, come!