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[Tania Bruguera: "The Francis Effect"]

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[BRUGUERA] Hi guys, how are you doing?

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Hi, how are you doing?

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Hi guys, how are you doing?

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[WOMAN] Fine, you?

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[BRUGUERA] Good. I'm...

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Hi guys.

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Hi guys, how are you doing? Hi.

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[WOMAN] Hi.

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[BRUGUERA] I'm one of the artists in the Latin[br]American exhibition.

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And, one of the...

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[MAN] Oh, we just came from there!

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[BRUGUERA] Yeah?

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And one of the projects I'm doing

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is a petition to ask Pope Fran...

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[WOMAN] But I'm not American.

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[BRUGUERA] That's okay.

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Where are you from, Italy?

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[WOMAN] Si.

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[BRUGUERA, SPEAKING IN ITALIAN]

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[BRUGUERA] One of the projects I'm doing is[br]a petition I created

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to ask Pope Francis to give Vatican City citizenship...

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[MAN] Okay.

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[BRUGUERA] ...to immigrants nobody wants,

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like undocumented and refugees,

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no matter what religion they profess,

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no matter what country they are from,

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no matter what race they are.

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[WOMAN #1, IN ITALIAN] Sign, sign!

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Sign, sign!

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[WOMAN #2, IN ITALIAN] What is it?

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[WOMAN #1, IN ITALIAN] It is a petition to ask Pope Francis to give undocumented

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immigrants citizenship from the Vatican.

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[WOMAN #2, IN ITALIAN] Oh, great!

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[BRUGERA] I'm an artist who works with immigration[br]issues.

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I want to get into people's minds

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and people's political imaginary.

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For me, it's really nice when I talk to people

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and they kind of get the idea.

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You can see something in the expression.

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And I think it's interesting because

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a lot of people know it's impossible.

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Like, they say, "Well, this is impossible."

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But the impossible is only impossible until[br]somebody makes it possible.

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[WOMAN] Oh, yeah, I can't do that.

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[BRUGUERA] Okay, why?

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[WOMAN] Because my family came here legally,

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and so does everyone else.

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[BRUGUERA] But...

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[WOMAN] I can't...

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[WOMAN] No, it's okay.

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[BRUGUERA] No?

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[BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] And you are from Argentina?

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[WOMAN, IN SPANISH] Yes.

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[BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Look at that! You are[br]the first Argentines that do not sign!

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Why not?

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[WOMAN, IN SPANISH] The truth is that

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I must be very invested in the issue

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and agree with your project in order to sign.

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[BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Of course.

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If you have any questions I can answer them.

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[MALE STREET PERFORMER SINGING "NEW YORK,[br]NEW YORK"]

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♪ I'm gonna make a brand new start of it ♪

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♪ Here in ol' New York ♪

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♪ And if I can make it there ♪

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♪ I'll make it anywhere... ♪

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[BRUGUERA] The Pope has a double function.

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It is a head of state,

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but at the same time, it's a head of the church.

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"The Francis Effect" is an art piece

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that wants to talk about the Catholic church,

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specifically the Vatican as a political entity.

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The Vatican is a recognized state

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that was conceived out of an idea--

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in this case, a religious idea.

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So, what if we have all the places in the[br]world

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in which people gathered together out of an[br]idea

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and not out of a piece of land that belonged[br]to your ancestors.

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That's the Pangea.

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[WOMAN] This is what the continents used to[br]look like...

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[BRUGUERA] Super... Yeah, exactly.

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[WOMAN] ...before they got split up by earthquakes.

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[MAN] Okay.

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[BRUGUERA] And then it was way before countries[br]existed

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and borders existed,

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so when everybody could go wherever they want,

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without visas and papers.

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The Pope was in Lampedusa,

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and he made a pretty emotional speech there.

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Very symbolic.

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The table had the shape of a boat,

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so it was like an art piece, you know?

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It was like an installation.

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The Pope has been very outspoken

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about treating immigrants differently.

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And he came up with the globalization of indifference,

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as a concept, that I really liked.

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I feel, like many other people,

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that this is a problem that has to be solved[br]on a global scale,

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with international institutions.

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Immigrants do not need charity; they need[br]papers.

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Let's take the Pope's words and ask him to[br]walk the...

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Walk the talk? That's how you say it?

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[BRUGUERA, IN ITALIAN] Are you also a Methodist?

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Are you an atheist?

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I am also an atheist. Ok, thank you.

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Have a nice day.

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[BRUGUERA] This is very simple performance[br]art.

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I'm interacting with the audience one to one.

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I decided that I was going to produce art[br]for people

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who do not think like me.

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[BRUGUERA] ...anywhere.

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You tell me one country, and I'll tell you[br]if there is immigrants there.

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[WOMAN] Syria?

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[BRUGUERA] Uh, yes, there are, actually.

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[BRUGUERA] It's harder, I know.

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But I think it's more satisfying because

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the friction that you can create

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when you're having these conversations

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is more fulfilling for me

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than just, like, a little pat on the shoulder.

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But the signature is kind of the theatrics[br]that you need

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for people who don't believe in art--

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people who don't believe in the power of ideas.

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At the same, it is a way to mobilize people

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to think the impossible, you know?

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Like, what if somebody actually decides to[br]say,

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"Yes, I'll give all the immigrants in the[br]world,"

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"who are undocumented or refugees,"

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"their papers."

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So they can be seen other than illegal or[br]a negative way.

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Even if they don't sign, that they think about[br]it, you know?

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And then put the little seed in their head.

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That's for me what art is.

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[GIRL, IN SPANISH] They should.

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[BRUGUERA, IN SPANISH] Yes they should. It's[br]only fair, right?

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I can't ask you to sign because you are minors.

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You need your parents to authorize you

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because you are minors.

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But yes, at the very least I can give you

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our website so that you can get the information.

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[BOY, IN SPANISH] Mom, come!

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Dad, come!