BATTLING CARBON GIANTS IN PACIFIC NORTHWEST

capture otherwise green thinking ports
in the Pacific Northwest of

reversed its eco shocking radio
I'm Alex Smith let's roll.

tankers through Vancouver's scenic
inlets even liquid natural gas

in the coup these and then Wes short
and so which is the biggest

they wanted to call out to Asia
through Vancouver there's an

the United States and Canada
to export carbon to Asia.

from Wyoming.

It is in there.

Canada and then from green radio host
and activist Daphne why from

Well,

Why to using American call for.

Let's talk about call how big
is the export business from

University research talk Dr. James
Anderson presents why climate

all these projects.

Multinational corporations would like
to turn the gorgeous port of

were blocked by a public outcry in
the American Pacific Northwest

Vancouver,

that's,

We reject this year after the so
public outcry public opposition

trains and we don't know what the
health impacts of law term

They have been exporting this 7 million
tons a year for some time

But the dirty doormat for US call
on its way to Asia and so right

Yeah,

active proposal to steer dirty
tar sands oil into hundreds of

I guess it is.

we're going to investigate attempts
by the fossil fuel industry to

you know it's a federal agency.

We know,

Do you think this is.

and White Rock with the the cliff
faces slumping because of the

huge corporations with huge money
to fight off giant coal ports

immensely our organization and group
based in Surrey called even

coal in Canada and depending on
you know who was exporting more

So what problems do Coltrane
polls for local communities.

and really strong committee organizing
in the state has stopped

that's a,

You know it well and in the fall
of 2012 a community member in

It's a battle you hardly hear about
citizens are lining up against

communities.

professor and world energy expert
marked a card was arrested

Vancouver.

including from the Lonnie nation
which is that right.

Vancouver internal with which exports
exclusively be seen course

to the fishermen's union too you
know to groups of said this is a

Maybe the ego shot.

we've held various rallies and events
and we've presented at the

So it's very black and white from
you know many things are in life

Oregon.

we're a democratic society.

rejected or abandoned.

It's also regulator it has absolute
power over decision making on

although 2 of those projects have
either been completely have been

you know we're saying the Port Authority
can't make decisions that

bad idea.

do you think this anymore it's it's
you now in the 19th century

they're trying to expand that to larger
large volumes sure exports

around 6 million tons of
call the year there,

in the order 30 to 33 million tons
of call the year and about

then another one pops up like the
recent proposal to ship out

understand this in the broader public
gets that you know you can't

it's been,

people are rightly concerned
about always look.

that's a good question their hair.

working with local governments one by one,

While so they truck at all or would
they train at all the way up

It's species and its people will
first hear from activist Kevin

poles and say,

I'll wrap up with some new science
presented at a Harvard

about 8 million tons of that call
is US thermal coal from the

It's,

Welcome to Radio Eco shock this week,

call here and there is this new proposal
to build a brand new coal

Surrey told me about these 2 proposals
for the expansion at

Well,

whack-a-mole you find one project,

call 4 million times now,

you're mentioning now is key Coltrane
so-called trains going to

there's no real effort by government
to make people aware of these

now there there.

don't think this is right.

If women avoid blowing past any
sort of faith thresholds for

They just simply must look and see
if this will endanger plants or

You know,

know we could probably burn a bit more.

right now we have to fully functioning
courts one in North

the public until June 11 to help us
decide if we should even do an

and there is no one asking
the fundamental questions.

action on climate change or veto
back Kevin welcome to Radio Rico

you know that the contrast is is
so stark that I think the media

Call for North America Neptune exports
around you know they export

that's another at another
interesting thing,

Wait a minute you saying that a cloud
can come off of one of those

that infrastructure we commit to
devastating climate change,

that's a good point you because
in a specially NBC and in Metro

You know I gonna find out and the
government doesn't go along the

affect our future as a region without
including Arsenal's decision

A new Cold War in Surrey.

The one in Oregon on the Columbia
River faces serious difficulties

it's sort of,

It's a very narrow blinkered approach
to assessing these kinds of

It's a huge,

the Department of Homeland Security
and the Coast Guard require

blocking a coal train.

change is coming,

for the federal one.

SEC others noisy also vibration and
you know that there's problems

all need to have a say so ways
to back up to the proposal.

you know,

everything from the BC nurses' union
to you then see credit union

the worst case scenario is you
know an intentional rupture of

they're already running now and
the planet it run more them so

know we know that we need to radically
reduce the use of fossil

fuels to avoid dangerous climate change,

true bits,

diesel exhaust is a carcinogen and
if a particular discrimination

huge issue,

but it's all piecemeal and
it was under the radar.

and daycare senior centers,

Soon turns to gas before dispersing
it can still be a risk of

I think to be here.

forward motions calling for you know
proper public assessment or

is trying to use Vancouver as an
outlet we've reached activist

shock.

Okay.

The World Health Organization says
nighttime noise levels should

much faster than anyone thought
possible and why it cannot be

they could because the other
support authority that has,

may not you know captains
of industry where we're,

the biggest concerns a diesel exhaust.

projects.

not to mention the explosive toxic
and polluting impacts of these

salmon or sturgeon at the
site of the facility.

kilometers on each side because that's
how far you know I I think

It's,

The big Petronas Pacific Energy LNG
project in Prince Rupert would

this Surrey outright various House
leaders you know climate

through highly populated
areas I just make sense.

The news you have figured out but
local populations are gonna

Canada into another fossil fuel colony
after call port proposals

You know it's wisdom on May said
okay will accept comments from

even known that there is a comment period.

Fraser and you know put up things
on billboards or or on telephone

And it's to me,

containment of Ellen of all the
LNG vessels on a tanker from

along that 3 and half kilometer route
and we want to know if there

You know 80% or more remain on the ground.

something like a terrorist
attack or an explosion.

port on the fridge river in Surrey
export exclusively American

if you added up all the proposed
capacity if all of that call is

NASA scientist James Hansen famously
was arrested protesting

and trains run you know within a
climate of a number of schools

Great.

Port Lands and that's by land basically
all along the waterline in

presented before Metro Vancouver and
the region eventually opposed

that doesn't happen,

I am no supporter of the
Harper government,

things you know I literally stumbled
across this proposal because

companies trying to push for so
many projects at once that like

White Rock Crescent Beach all on
the water through there and then

That's events in question.

I'm also faces serious opposition,

The oil and bit more a gas.

it's here you know you can have more
to say you can get engaged in

I guess I should say most frustrating
is that there's no,

If you want to build an LNG terminal,

producing a fireball up
to 3.5 kilometers away,

you know it's been pipelines and
we often don't feel like we can

but in fact metro Vancouver.

liquefied natural gas ports even
propane ports if we commit to

do you know we don't know how much
called us is lost in these

Portland,

the noise levels in these things
are over 100 decibels when the

last project and the largest at
Cherry Point in Washington.

big projects on the Pacific coast.

it's something that we're standing
up and saying no to thing I

just up just upstream from if you
know Richmond this sort of all

There we go.

Walsh book reporting from Vancouver,

Metro Vancouver so they can approve
a coal port but they take no

This is a plan for a brand new LNG
terminal on the Fraser River in

So it comes on Warren Buffett's
be NSF railroad up through semi

you know where to look if you go there,

I mean we always work with other
groups we do events too.

corporate proposal a delegation would
be about 48 million tons of

Tiber River Basin.

It will be more global warming pollution,

Kevin wash broken Vancouver he's
part of the group voters taking

it's really a simple issue,

Yet,

National Laboratory essay and DIA
and they conducted a study in

You know,

the mid 2000s that.

it's a bit of a lot more they're gonna
pop up where they feel like

that race.

media there.

Fraser will be 1.5 times as
large also in comparison.

You know they're extremely loud and
they often travel at night and

Where editor group voters taking
action on climate change.

So if you didn't go to the sea.

Israel on our soil.

water mania and a big movie complex
and all that sort of stuff.

because it's failed to receive keep
the last permanent through the

up through around Monday and over
2 cops who were shorter.

And the last 2.

Coast is recently you know
3 or 4 years ago.

then you know the Northern
Gateway pipeline.

Our website is BT ACC.org
that's a website.

I mean I know my thoughts are in terms
of the risks to the climate

be about 7 times larger,

getting them on board about the
issues having them caller put

But if that cloud of LNG that is
free if Allen she didn't ignite

You know it's sort of the backdoor.

70 million tons by way of comparison
the the Cherry Point

Canada.

I think you know those
projects in the north.

That's,

Well,

responsibility for the external impacts
that generates in the when

So I think,

worried about your future.

There's something to be concerned
about your think I guess for all

wanna know what the risks are before
you privy sings before or

Well,

do that and their and their interest
in the non-I think what's

it's often the biggest of the business.

it's easy to local government.

There's also a lot of concern
over called us,

And you know we've got a lot through
public commenting websites

They were plans there were plans
for 6 coal ports on the US West

I don't think so,

are you concerned about this.

Delta BC next in the cement plants
Federer across the river and

and they're an extremely arrogant
and remote organization so that

it's insane.

host of the syndicated radio show
Earth beat on the Pacifica

Some people are somewhat more aware
of this proposal for wood

So just south of the border.

Take.

If they see a website.

What do you think other communities
say in the United States or

US thermal coal exports through measuring
Hoover is a bad idea and

be below 30 decibels for for young
people from the elderly for the

Westpac midstream to build an LNG
terminal on the afraid and if

yeah,

mountaintop removal for coal,

I guess Kevin washed Brooke is
an activist in Vancouver,

I guess just empowering people,

It's a bad idea.

Find most of its support to young
people show up just older folks

and I mean I've read,

else's responsibility when I can
assess those risks a crazy.

is it a good idea to go and
LNG terminal in the face.

So that leaves DC.

scientists leaders have all come out
saying their post in this for

proponent in this to me is typical bear.

concerns are key.

look at the numbers,

she's an associate fellow at the
Institute for Policy Studies.

Port Authority AGM and it's,

creating opportunities for the
public to engage in explicit

So it's,

this when they realize the certain
size they have to let the BBC

what's kind of most interesting
about this,

The local rescue themselves and I
and I respect their ability to

call in dog within this year than
others it it's process of

from L&G interims of what groups
like the CCP in the pen.

So in that worst case scenario what
hazards will be created and so

you have burn hazards and and freezing
houses in these things and

All right.

it's been increasing process.

But we absolutely can't burn more coal.

where millions of people live.

Great,

So you know,

in federal government's now and the
government have to decide to

The biggest one,

so I don't think it'll pushing the
way I think there's so many

You know I were just on post carbon
radio on K W M are in Northern

Neptune and the new call for answer
it for his 3 dogs and when I

then there is simply no valid argument
for building a new Cold War

assessment or not,

almost like a Crown corporation.

probably more in the future.

vibration.

while and with so that that's smart
to me you know you why you

So that's an issue.

Alex is going to be here.

Britain or elsewhere could learn
from the way you're group has

but in Vancouver I was tracked
east Simon Fraser University

liquid natural gas via the historic
Fraser River tell us what's

but the way things are going
and that exceeds you know.

You've got a look at the
worst case scenario.

really we we engage with the public
through you know you social

Yeah,

So over the past 2.5 years we've
managed to raise the profile

Trying to stop fossil fuel exports
is like playing the game

exported.

facility.

health risk assessments of these
projects and we've actually

and they'd rather their sort
of a high school audience.

sort of any sort of property or
public health and safety risks,

you can see that and you can make
comment but if you don't know.

this is the footprint,

I appreciate your time.

We know there are quite a few environmentally
conscious voters in

exposure to low levels of particular
are from the dust.

both safety issues climate issues
and we generated thousands of

It's very frustrating because you
know he's a big things and we

You know the project summary description
and says we want a bogus

the debate.

do an assessment or not so auto.

and there's a new proposal recently
posted 4 from this US company

Kevin.

cross section,

we wouldn't require that L&G proponents
examine the risks all

policy discussion are often pretty
abstract like the thing that's

in the United States to put in place
a climate action plan back in

going up and down the Fraser
River now in comparison.

but it was they'll see a lot of
LNG tankers on the river the

You know that's absolutely crazy
and in the United States.

How have activist raised Vancouver's
dirty coal profile in the

so this is a fairly small project,

you know if they're significant
infrastructure there.

So it sounds like you are getting
significant by in there.

And that's just an absurd abstract
discussion we have real

their recently against becoming
a dirty carbon outlet.

everything would be burnt to a crisp
and and after 16 and I mean

backyard,

there's a possibility.

If there are,

whoever prism in Canada,

including Rani basically first activists
and people taking over

it's a pretty compelling story because
it's a very stark one you

and it's the one study after another
is coming out saying that you

interesting.

I'm Alex meth at all their
vehicle shock.org.

Bing Gong and current IOS it was
a wide-ranging talk I'd like in

industry.

And so the tack.

Broadway and assess.

I think the concern is widespread
view whether it's because you're

Let's tune in with a long-time
friend of the environment.

how are we going to assess the risks
from LNG tankers and and what

letters and very creative involvement
from a wide array of folks

climate change and if that's the
case and I and I believe it's

they said well within 5 kilometers.

welcome back.

like right now for the L&G think
we've set up a website called

So my experience is that people care
and they want to take action

But once we sell that L&G and it
goes an LNG tanker it's someone

for sustainable economy at the same time,

appears that time you know it is
not going to be welcome anymore

California with.

The Canadian run of 72 website and
see that notice you would never

alternative media now
Japanese in Portland,

, but this is very black and white.

I was on the BBC if I'm an assessment
project or office website,

Kevin washed brick.

3.5 kilometers possibly on either
side of the river into an area

yeah,

opportunities for the public
to express their concern.

one's gonna be here is alive now and.

and what not right here.

It would see 120 LNG tankers a year
and 90 L&G barges here and

We really are on the front lines
of the fossil fuel debate in

Said,

happening there.

but I do know that they say that
the risk of terrorist threats

Yeah,

If there are,

We seem to have one were reluctant
to completely declare victory

I mean you know it,

there is no such requirement and
although looking at here is the

that your work to stop these proposals
will push fossil fuels

and furthermore if we should substitute
the provincial assessment

It's so good to hear your voice
again on Radio Echo shock,

Really.

I think you know our our whole
focus is trying to create

anywhere in the world could when
she it they're gonna want you

The federal government has given
us from you know this so that

ages.

Also you can send a message directly
to the federal and run a

lakes and

Can you give us your website address
or your Facebook page.

call export terminal because they
argue that it would violate

The final question,

Well,

Portland and then moving out to the
rest of Oregon and the rest of

I know that's no okay so many
backup and and quite hot.

Thanks so much.

tell us about your supporters.

examine the possibly of
a terrorist attack.

thank you so much.

So as you know.

because this corporation have bottomless
pockets and is doing all

tankers if they were to leak.

they may think that they don't know
how or they don't know during

export debate because we have proposals
for the Kinder Morgan

real LNG hearings.org and that brings
together all the information

coal plant to be built next door.

sort of garlands are you,

he would decline over distance.

minister,

we've got a proposal for a new coal ports.

there's any plan for a major development
on the riverfront that a

are people living there.

that it cloud of be approaching travel
and still be explosive DC

Yeah,

So in the United States there
there is a thing called Sandy

out Penn Beantown Pipeline Corporation
to set up shop in

proposed,

you do connect a waterway suitability
assessment on the entire

Now we have a proposal for well for
the L&G Fraser and the LNG and

fiber LNG in squalor should have
a lot of press this proposal

products right here right now there
are threatening our climate.

for the Keystone XL pipeline through
our reports in Oregon and

transporting an extremely volatile
substance in these battles

. Well,

worried about you know the local
environmental whether you're

right away as it evaporate.

Well,

tanker root out international
waters to a distance of 3.5

we're gonna look at an endangered
plants and archeological sites

are we going to create seems so they said.

I think the.

the one hand,

we're really focusing
right now and on LNG.

Daphne,

it's hard to say who's coming from
where about it really is a

You're welcome.

So that's our campaign and and
I think we have a pretty good

What's the worst case scenario.

young people we work a lot with
a group called Kids for climate

was going to be used for the women
to cook with him in Asia,

When it comes to transporting fossil
fuels are you up for that.

and in this kind of future for BC,

We want to use this victory though
not just to say no one in our

the Vancouver region do you worry though,

network her articles have been published
by both mainstream and

Well,

this instance to drill down to
what's happening in Portland.

what have you heard about new coal
ports in the Pacific Northwest

Why don't we start with Portland
what battles have been fought

that there are these big projects
proposed up north weather's L&G

managed to be exported along
the Columbia River,

that's one of the right wing anti-environmental
and and climate

so for that worst case scenario,

River have have been withdrawn,

that's the key empowering people.

Sure.

fossil fuel exports that put climate
at risk because the climate

I know well,

Sure,

oil terminal get built there that
project will not go forward.

take on one proposal after another
that comes down the pike.

in and start working the
way you're describing.

you know,

that's quite frankly because
you know I am,

they're using every strategy they
can Oregon apparently is number

have any for say,

and they are then it's more accessible,

raised export carbon to Asia.

and and freedom to in your area to
allow these companies to come

further north along the coast to
swarms or to northern ports,

happened recently with perhaps Harper
have been saying that they

And you can learn more about it,

the city had largely been ahead of
the curve for the rest of the

you stop one project popped up
an unemployed we've decided to

Not only the northwest,

because you know that in the States
they say yet explicitly

but also to alert people
to just how insane.

if that's the case then why you
looking at the risks from

And so that's 3 real LNG hearings.org.

outside of the northwest of course
hero at the norms and trying to

Oregon.

I mean we would love to be doing
something along those lines,

the time so you create an opportunity
put all the information.

One place that people want to act.

but globally and to draw attention
to the fact that the Pacific

footprint of this facility.

terminal here in Portland he welcomed
them with open arms.

Don't see what could happen if one
of the things went badly wrong

you know,

Pacific Northwest.

potentially will change the and not
just the political nature of

you said,

Right.

As part of the group voters taking
action on climate change.

it would be such a different story.

So I just didn't make sense from
a climate action perspective to

drastically reducing greenhouse
gas emissions increasing public

As the director of the climate and
energy program at the Center

gas and coal corporations are using
very sneaky tactics they'll

interview.

We will.

Well that's that's compared threat.

Barry hit city.

Portland's harbors and they wanted
to export propane from the

like Prince Rupert or killed a man.

But the key,

White House's so-called climate
championships last December,

I think that's that's looming for
region is you know it's yet to

condominiums and businesses ride
along the river and should this

action on events that,

These oil,

The government we train connected
off between climate policy and

formed and operated.

there are still on the table,

Well,

yeah,

Local people they're gonna
make their own assessment,

City Council hearings and we finally
got our message across and it

squeamish so people realize is that
there's a lot at stake here

going on here is that you know people
down here are very aware

this however it is to our economy
to iron beautiful rivers and

but you know we have in addition
to the the traditional political

So you know most of our
work is done online,

and eventually I wonder is it even
compatible with local democracy

Daphne why for 8 years
out of Washington DC,

in in the city of Portland.

pipeline,

media.

you know,

So a lot of people that I was lifting
these LNG terminals are

one of the biggest tar sands pipeline
operators in the Canadian

you know,

there's a lot of older concerned
folks and there's also a lot of

Well,

When we do events,

you may have to do with the fact that
call increasingly has become

overall greenhouse gas emissions.

what about LNG in the Pacific Northwest.

on the Fraser River LNG proposal
and there's a commenting tool.

. You know,

here in in the city,

They want to export 5 times the carbon
and is now being proposed

proposals that have been tabled
by up and down the the Columbia

plants,

A lot of us began to organize cried
foul and at the time of this

plan today called for which is you
know I get under way ahead of

to announce massive liquid
natural gas terminals.

terminal so there's all sorts
of tricky schemes that these

unload his call trains
for shipping to China,

agreed to eliminate fossil fuels
by 2100 well 84 years and now no

it can do you fight back but we we
need to campaign both based on

declare a ban on all new fossil
fuel infrastructure starting in

claiming it was going to be used
as a bio refinery the bio

Washington is and very few people
are aware of just how serious

3 nationally as a target for Alex funds,

maybe the Pacific Northwest.

less and less profitable,

to to build this pipeline and exported
it to other countries.

the northwest and we should be getting
a hearing over the coming

I dream.

completely in the pocket of the fossil
fuel industry which written

Billionaire Warren Buffet is having
a hard time finding a place to

It also happened to be one of the
first cities in the first city

What is happening on the US West Coast
where fossil fuel companies

the early 1990s Portland decided that
it really needed to take the

denialist groups that's been pushing
a a very strong legislative

We have 2,

Oregon.

So it just doesn't make sense.

there's been quite a few proposals
all export terminals in the

claim for example,

they are fighting and waging a very
serious battle against that

It's almost like changing your light
bulbs at home but along a

So rather than just playing whack-a-mole
they which is sort of

concerns.

Daphne.

politicians with the ideas of more
jobs and a better economy,

lining up to support this,

take these actions do for example
restrict coal-fired power plant

You're listening to shot radio.

but you know the entire economy.

So we're,

development that have being proposed.

The measure decided that it was going
to be a good idea to invite

I don't worry.

Northwest right now is in the
crosshairs of the fossil fuel

We want ban it out outcry currently
there as far as I know there's

Alex I'm I'm just mystified at
you know how he can not take

country and who has a reputation
intact was recognized by the

agenda in favor of big energy and
they're going up oil you know.

court and try to get these treaties
upheld for Native Americans is

And in many cases they are claiming,

very same terminal began to look
attractive for oil exports.

Now going ask you about that.

you know past it the lifetime of
any of these folks at the table

climate crisis seriously an admirable,

in a bit of a of a war
here in the northwest.

one thing that people may not realize
is that not only Portland,

They have been the imperative that
we begin to ratchet down our

massive equation land that a
lot of it in private hands.

The state of Oregon,

and I'm sure they felt very comfortable
making this agreement and

politically and you know environmentally
and that's certainly not

how,

we also suspect it has something
to do with the fact that these

The leaders of industrial countries,

they got me a port,

It is to be pushing forward with fossil
fuel infrastructure in the

fuel-efficient automobiles and then
at the same time allow for

be proceeding with this this terminal.

unfortunately once again.

I know you continue to keep track
of US national policy as well.

eminent domain.

know our budget would be totally
balanced once we get these LNG

at the refinery to get a usable
product that they get a lower

despite its reputation or perhaps
in addition to that reputation.

more fossil fuels in the fragile
Arctic by Shell Oil.

that are just bypassing all of our
our legal structures in order

His experience and that the
values of the northwest,

one of the ways 30 oil company managed
to get the Bakken crude

I was disappointed.

We found that the emissions from
Justice Warren propane terminal

So even if it were 2050 it would be,

So there's a lot of resistance.

Pacific Northwest and almost all
of them have been defeated.

You know you're getting as good as mine.

I suppose it may have something
to do with the fact that he was

anywhere in Oregon but I think he
would have an awfully hard time

of Oregon and then have the export
terminal export LNG from coups

essentially by the investors
over the past 5 years,

year and that there wasn't a bill
that originally was going to ban

So there's a lot of tension between
those 2 different types of

we found that in fact it was on the
used to be making proclaiming

Oregonian Gennaro regularly trumpeting
all the benefits of these

gas,

Interesting.

billion pipeline that they want to
build through the southern part

around preserving their trade is
a concern has been without a

their treaties and would affect
their fisheries the other

the number one recipient of BP's
funds when he was running for

It's really hard to understand why
he why he is acting only hears

If you're exporting solar panels
in bulk or wind machines.

not with so much money on achieve
all a lot of politicians are

What do you make of President Obama
taking you know he talks

refinery went bankrupt and there
and once they had already gotten

Well,

The Japanese apparently are very
heavily invested you know coal

Koura Washington and that battle
is now being wedged between on

for example in the case of the propane
terminal they claimed it

what a lot of groups have been doing it,

big big layoffs and the financing
for these companies is getting

hard to get and their stocks,

Does the state of Oregon allow fracas.

potentially a shift things moving forward.

chance of winning.

and in fact that's that's the vision
that Portland quite action

and plastics and nothing to do with
the alleviating the poverty

This is Radio Eco shark with Augusta
long time Green radio host

Portland's emissions if if our missions
were to continue to go

So you know we have to be on our
guard against these companies

according to one of our
guests went down 70%,

alone over several decades would be
larger than the entire city of

Of course,

We've got a government
in British Columbia,

this region,

suddenly start looking a lot more
like Texas than Oregon both

Well I'm I'm always hopeful.

presidency.

exports and no new fossil fuel
infrastructure in the city.

both are for over 40 million tons
of coal exports per year they

year by city officials around this
call we want no fossil fuel

transit.

foreign owned and they're
claiming eminent domain,

do you expect the same rogues
gallery of Republican climate

Oregon that they want to build its over$7

in fact the largest oil terminal
in the entire United States is

lot of people are very excited
to see happen with you know

wouldn't be all that that exciting
but 2100 it is still far out

editorials saying that climate
change is not a concern for

office.

20-16 that's my prediction
at this point in time,

. And again on the international front.

over and over again.

Now it has not banned tracking
this actually did come up this

opportunities to speak out on it.

down.

Why he would on the one hand take these,

negotiations in Kyoto and I went
to several others after that and

Climate change will look very different
from region to region,

from us in order to facilitate the
profits of foreign corporations

where I think it's so much more freely
disputed boldly about the

climate crisis and seems to
be taking an awful lot of

Native Americans have an awful
lot to lose in this battle.

So they're losing some money and it,

one in Long View Washington
and one in Cherry Point:

Soon as we get rid of a of a coal
terminal an oil terminal as

I mean whenever big oil money
comes into an area.

exceptionally dry western a cool
snow rainy east is it a big

Now America has elections
coming up eventually,

brinksmanship and which which is what
you always see it with these

deniers to be elected again in Congress.

the curve trying to push for by
Kabul and walkable cities could

won in Cherry Point Washington is
on Native American land on the

which have not materialized.

major pipelines being proposed just
for Oregon one in southern

which is you know of course
it's for export.

there,

irony in this is that many of these
LNG companies are actually

for acting and then it sort of morphed
into regulating tracking

being proposed right across the river
from Portland in the event

were women in in Asia.

That's way too late to avoid
catastrophic climate change.

Is it problematic how climate change
out with regard to I I don't

to$70

candidates they're running but a
lot can happen between now and

per acre,

What do you think.

that's another big battle that we're
facing right now we've got 2

only land and they are,

we're really fighting on all
fronts here in the north.

decolonization any trying to do but
you seem to suggest in in our

to regulate it.

taking on the corporations in the
banks like no other candidate is

the got elected promising all the
jobs in the money and and you

So it's a great at great risk that
they go to court and try to get

the issue of income inequality and
Bernie standard but there is

In terms of both keeping people
informed about what's really

I see that scientists say.

I mean we had a proposal that whereas
the Germans and the G7 were

It was shaped in a completely different
direction when we start

this century 85 years away.

It looks like the other one grabs
a new year and says that's what

You know and a hit lots and lots
of exclamation points after that

But again,

and not to that the American people
but at least at the moment you

by 20-50 and the Canadians and
the Japanese pushed back on

don't get world prices because the
tires and requires so much work

especially of late.

they Oregon and another one in northern
Oregon and Washington,

begin to shift at this next Senate.

the amended for the bio refinery
they changed it to an oil

Well,

But you know,

sleep to come up with an agreement.

kicking the can down the road.

You now do you expect much concrete
to come out of the pair's

fully understand what what what what
you mean by that question can

industries are using outright lies,

how can he possibly be using a law
that was created to develop

I haven't been to the last few years,

There's a chance for corruption
and certainly you can woo

I don't know if he's still feeling
beholden to his donors.

strongly about climate change and
any approves exploration for

very little in the way of any sort
of gas exploitable gas reserves

It's really inspiring to see a lot
of people hurt you know just

a barrel to do it and they're only
getting about 40 to 45 they

Unfortunately our elected officials
there you know largely

claiming that they are,

I think what it suggests,

and activist Stephanie Weisz another
big do you know Darfuris is

it's another revenue stream for them.

That's a great point,

Well,

welcoming in trains and trains
and terminals and refineries

This time,

are you getting re-energized by
regional activism on the west

climate talks later this year.

and I was just feeling very discouraged
about all of the

what a lot of people moved
to the Pacific Northwest.

So I think you know Californian
dried up and continues to drag.

I mean I think the climate crisis
you you know you've covered it

fossil fuel exports.

But whether we'll see the kind of
truly dramatic commitments that

wanting to see elected
official take action.

infrastructure for people in the United
States taking on land away

the state level,

but we were sign on to do carbon
the station by 2100 of course is

which is way below the market value
due to land borders and the

do you see any decrease in their
investments in coal and I I I

Well,

Clinton.

There's also of course the concerns
that Native Americans have

In his last 2 years in office,

Well,

She probably stand a greater
chance than any of the other

saying,

conferences nobody shows their hand
until long after midnight on

you know,

fire power you know he's learned
that explains their reluctance,

happening and and taking you know
holding our elected officials

you know,

and eventually hopefully
MPs that into some sort.

one of the things that we are preparing
for a which is a little

The elephant in one pulls the tail
on says that's what an elf.

especially in your recent shows
with climate psychologists and

that may be.

wealthy countries that we saw over
and over again played out its

hours and a lot of us are
feeling the grief around.

that in some cases if they lose
their truly get weekend.

that that wall you just keeps Nash.

members of the Unitarian coming
from all over the United States

We just feel that no matter how much
you through your head against

and these are the kinds of people
that I would want to have.

know this is one reason why we need
better campaign finance laws

these treaties upheld and that's
another potential setback that

think that the climate crisis.

Oregon and both of these
projects would involved.

You know as an argument in favor
of her example 10 about$25,000

So I encourage people that are in
any way feeling defeated by this

It feels like we are going to go
back to our home communities and

thousand in the coming decades.

Let me explain why they're trying to do.

Incidentally,

That's leading local 350 chapter
here in Portland.

emissions and and increase
energy efficient,

Well that's good to hear now Daphne,

funny,

the G7 could only promise an end to
carbon emissions by the end of

a non-binding agreement.

propane byproduct of that in the past
have been treated as a waste

you know,

and that created a huge uproar where
people said no we don't want

Great.

It's just too expensive to
produce the tar sands.

for hacking in Oregon.

Center for sustainable economy definitely
where the best places to

California wetter climates.

brothers and the other oil companies
so they're listening to them

is that people have had enough of
either candidate really avoiding

I wonder if there's a story or experience
beyond that you think

I I had that they haven't been
I I went to the climate

problem that citizens experience climate
change so locally and yet

and certainly our local paper
The Oregonian seems to be

bit alarming is there.

trying to you get indeed curb innovation
of all other G7 economies

Dr. James Anderson and the title
is coupled feedback in the

because they will energize you and
keep you going in the darkest

the final made and finally everybody's
scrambling on very little

You need at least$60

So we're in a bit of a,

right now.

for links in my blog at could
shock.info Daphne.

issue of climate change is so
broad and persons here and so

But I think what we come to the conclusion
here at the Center for

retirees so level of engagement here
in the northwest around the

accountable.

population in Portland for example
to increased by several hundred

right.

Well,

oil processing Bernie Sanders surprisingly
gaining on Hillary

is a fairly high level.

That's right,

I can only get to a few points here,

It just seemed like you know I dream
of of chess with the planets

globally.

National strategy.

I think that they have a higher likelihood
of retaining control of

the Pacific Northwest,

climate activism.

revealing he talked for hours and
hours and hours on the record.

I did.

please keep in touch as you
develop more stories.

Beautiful scene.org I'm Alex Smith
reporting for Radio Eco shark.

Arctic drilling and massive oil
and gas chemical exports.

coast versus the politics of living
and working in Washington DC.

we call that in green line here
in the Pacific Northwest them

destroying CFCs there were never
there in the past ages and how

so that's a big drop in their
stock value as well.

Niger influx of climate refugees
to the northwest,

Well,

The areas it's happening and they
want to see action taken on it,

this coalitions are some of the
best members of our society and

It was great stuff.

That's true.

regardless of how it manifests
in their region.

a sustainable economy is that working
at the city level working at

You know.

the south and in the house when
you have somebody like Hillary

suppose the Canadians do the tourist
town are reluctant to see

you know we do how China coming
to the table with an agreement

but you can actually affect
policy at the state level,

urgently and said no,

a look at the way in which developing
technology provides direct

You know I remember after the financial
crash that Bernie Sanders

statement I I'm so inspired by and
many of the young people that

you know you have people who see
and experiencing so differently

surface and then experiments done
20 kilometers above the surface

fossil fuel industry here in Oregon.

science.

price.

serious it is,

does that affect climate change as
we'll hear from those opening

DC.

what's happening is this massive layoffs
in Alberta and I mean big

city officials tell us that they're
expecting you know the

and they'll be focused exclusively
on those climate change and

That's quite a bit and believe me
he covers a lot this talk on

climate structure that set the timescale
for irreversible change

we've hired a new political director.

last conversation tar sands profits
are plummeting as their own.

so well,

Unitarian General Assembly that's
gathering in Portland and 6,000

and demand an overall great big solution.

We probably will see quite a
few people moving north from

broken a logjam between the developing
countries and that the

important talk from climate week
at Harvard University Center for

. The fate of the planet at
stake over and over again.

EEOC so also talk about you active
of injection north of the

the environment,

Also some of the same companies
cap into the acts Gaston and

follow your ongoing work.

This is really research talk about
2 aspects of the climate

this is where she needed to
spend her time and energy.

right around them and yet they're
supposed to all unite somehow

Fox measurement.

and we saw that again this year
in North America with a hot

Clinton running for office.

on the Pacifica Radio network now
she's bounced between regional

what I found is that the people
that end up coming out to join

So listeners just Google center
for sustainable economy or look

one of the people.

with the United States that does seem
to have potentially at least

The talk as Anderson tells us,

I'm not that hopeful but I I I do
think to think well at least

In the short time we have left.

research into past ages showed the
stratosphere that upper level

I got I kind of very tiresome.

in this country.

and so I'm gonna talk about experiments
done 5 meters above the

And so we have this convicted injection
into this anti cyclonic

Fox.

Tuesday that the climate structure
depends in in large measure on

in which there is a far smaller difference
between in temperature

So it seems that the dynamics
could be different enough to

guest asked us to do which is to
mobilize towards a World War 2

Thank you so much for joining us again,

the speakers.

climate negotiations.

it's both inspiring encourages me
to work even harder whereas back

I mean I think that polls suggest
that a majority of Americans do

are needed to stabilize the
climate earning trying to,

So it's,

I think the Republicans have a very
slim chances of gaining the

I think people are increasingly
alarmed and are increasingly

I don't think there's any possibility
of having that claim a

significant amount of time to working
on the the fighting at the

would like to have solar radiation
management so more fossil fuels

activism on the West Coast continuing
watch over national and

of Earth's atmosphere above the weather
was far wetter than today

Thanks to a tip from a radio equal
shock listener and I'm so glad

I mean in terms of the
deserving Northwest,

Now we do Anderson also points out
a key difference between past

, in past greenhouse ages.

years ago and I'm gonna show some
dominant examples of that the

and and and the polar regions and
in that particular structure of

It makes me shudder because 70%
of the globe is covered by the

I think you know just given her
stature nationally and and

on video.

Well,

Oh yes,

yes.

the problem demands a global solution.

but just in case I basketball
over these things I want to

actually came out and described
who runs America and it was

it turned out to be unique over
the US and it's coupled also to

He is an independent and a
self-proclaimed socialist.

larger global climate structure
and they exhibit inordinate

the temperature gradient between
the tropics in the polar regions

come up.

crisis turn that sort of intention
to mourn into an into an

Here.

gaining bilateral support,

So that's a huge surprise
for the United States.

following the money and most of
the money is with the club

be retrained.

of transitioning from the current
structure of the climate to one

you can get a lot more done than
you can trying to work in

international climate developments.

Yeah.

It's very exciting.

involving chlorine in Bromley in
that were not present during the

But it has very strong good coupling
into the catalytic chemical

By my side fighting any kind of battle.

if were gonna stop this monster in time.

It's the former Andy who
just decided this was,

retirement or living very frugally
so that they can devote a

of weather in the northern hemisphere
and that's the temperature

it's just that you know the old
story about the elephant people

update on shortly called climate response.

the often looks like climate
change is kind of like that,

these massive fossil fuel.

easy oil shock like electric shock.org.

Anderson explains why both the
left and the right may support

structure of the stratosphere.

In fact there is a website commit
to respond and people were going

working on this climate crisis,

doesn't carry a huge amount of political
imperative behind it.

I know I felt it for quite some time,

but there is,

really getting mobilized for example
and working with the National

very different connotation because
it triggers catalytic cycles

Washington DC things are very
broken and Washington,

really commit to respond.

quote scientists are gaining new
knowledge on changes we've made

our activity on Algerian and other
oil and gas and coal exports in

developments in the climate Anderson
covers a wide range of

structure,

Well,

These were the release than area.

Note how Anderson stressed the point
made again and again by our

Activist network page.

organizing intention and to really
stick out like-minded folks

We'll never have time to get to all
the great science in the stock

A presentation of ongoing research
into some important

far more rapidly than than we believe
was possible even even 5

that cannot be reversed,

ocean,

if that's what's required to swim
time and we need all of us to be

There were very excited about a new
initiative that you can see an

is being pushed actually in a bipartisan
way because the right

You know how to go through expense
and it wasn't going to budge.

I know a lot of people that have
dealt with either early

I don't know,

and that was basically a textbook
number for for many many years,

others talking about the ways in
which we turn away from just how

there was a very little temperature
difference between the tropics

mean you know just smart committed,

energized.

it started to take off and when
the 2007 IPCC report came out.

This is Radio Eco shot made up your
iPod or computer with tons of

She is the director of climate
and the energy program at the

could help raise our listeners
to an even greater move into

Then I'm going to look at why these
Cryer systems which are so

You can join our activist network there,

very recently nobody knew
how that could happen.

But things do actually
get done it Thursday.

for example,

put their careers completely on
hold and are doing nothing but

which is highly unusual these days.

to be asked to do something along
the same lines of what your last

Humans have also injected chlorinated
substances like ozone

but it can also when you are working
in coalition with others I

creative,

in Washington,

the stratosphere had to be wet.

as we'll see.

facing down this crisis.

and we were poured engaging with anyone
who wants to preserve what

type mobilization to save you know
I think a lot of us recognize

which as we saw from from Bryant brands
talk is of a potential way

The subsequent to to 2007 but the
key point is that just half a

The next point involves these methane
clatter it's either of these

systems like this is a very dangerous
so research on the topic is

up the difference is declining and
the result is a slower and wave

We have already gone over the climate
cliff he tells us how far we

wetter as it did in past greenhouse
worlds many many hours flying

subtropical jet,

petroleum natural gas and they
reside not only in the surface

Sustainable dash economy of our
website and we are getting on

the northern world as a side note,

it cannot have that result,

Our guest Washington hosted the environmental
program for 8 years

April 8 2015 in my shell
blog eco shock.info.

the west coast of about 100m than
it is touch of magic to it and

The wording of the stratosphere should
be happening now but until

motion,

calling for the same thing both for
our economy and for our planet

there are signs that people are really
beginning to get it and I

can be burned and the left believes
that intruding in natural

And one last thing it it really
as websites seemed odd or will

and it's chirpy that's driving this
entirely because it nature of

between the equator in the polar regions,

Well,

hothouse world and today this time around.

We have a preliminary paper up there
and we'll be posting a lot of

and of course,

emphasize some points.

So here we plot the CO2 emissions
from fossil-fuel burning in gig

reserves include coal,

also how best to work in solidarity
with native Americans in

from going.

fossil-fuel burning worldwide.

Thank you.

into a major geological event
that cannot be reversed.

and during the EEOC,

climate and energy program up and running.

There's very little

Arctic isotopes to stratospheric radicals.

so my mind most degenerate variable
you can discusses mean global

next issue is the feedback in the
climate structure because it

creates an almost unique kind of heat
funnel that does inject more

of the North Slope of of Alaska
and Siberia just half a percent

at least not in any timescale that
matters to humans here is Dr.

guest scientist Paul Beckwith when
explaining the new disruption

April 8th 20-15 was part of a series
of presentations I found this

further research into controversial
geo engineering first he

The National Research Council
just released a new report on

measurements for example of methane
and carbon di-oxide ITA topic

so is convicted injection of water,

delicate because heat of fusion
for waters so small that the

your jet stream and some really strange
weather for all of us in

A collision of weather factors over
the continental United States

difference between the tropics in
the polls as polar regions warm

typically how calibrated so 1990 have
about 6 again get tons of of

the current climate shift.

which includes a few links and explanations
we've blown through

are actually quite concerning.

All right,

take you right to absolutely
and I do I will treat you,

produced anaerobic by decomposition
of organic material and in its

And as we'll see moisture entering
the stratosphere today has a

happening slow leak you know one
degree centigrade per century

change and if you don't like,

course abhors a vacuum and with stuff
molecules and every possible

and you'll see why those are linked,

free green audio from our website
at W W W.eco shock.org that's

It also carries the connotation
that you can watch think slowly

briefly on this pale your record
and as Brian talked about on on

website at shock.org listen any
time on the radio shock page on

both of which are coupled through
irreversible connective cycles

control over these global climate
systems I'm I'm gonna touch very

seeks feedback sits set the timescale
for a reverse ability and

I'd like to pass on some quotes
and notes from a deep and

beautiful structures ice cages within
which nature inserts methane

nook and cranny in order to
engage the inclusion of

carbon was added to the atmosphere
by fossil-fuel burning,

with an average depth of 3500 meters,

I'm gonna take a very brief tour
through the climate system to

that could be ignited with old match.

Anderson speaking at Harvard.

as I say there's a huge range of
cutting science in the stock by

which doubles the carbon added
to the atmosphere by all

The first one is that this global
climate structure is changing

contain about 3 times the chemical
energy of all known fossil fuel

the mechanism that will wet down
the stratosphere over time,

, but most of it is very clear.

to the condition and nothing could
be further from the truth is,

But in a kink in the system.

water into the stratosphere.

delicacy of of these Cryer systems
in a cruel irony link into the

structure without a Maurice stratosphere.

we didn't get to the strange way
chlorinated substances playback

Brian,

climate engineering particularly
solar radiation management that

applied to this problem.

Next we'll hear about how the fragile
Arctic determined so much of

our weather.

temperature and it also carries a
connotation of something that's

which is a hoot demonic combination
created by the dynamics.

There are several other sites like
that Anderson says they have

American monsoon.

they're ubiquitous across the ocean
basins this was pulled up off

demonstrate how that functions now:

any cyclonic flow over the US that
that's created by the North

if you can just slow down the release
of carbon dioxide and return

And so this constitutes for the
next exhibit for feedback.

spoiler alert.

energy states and it turns out that
methane 5th beautifully into

these water cages and this is ubiquitous
Klatten nothing rates

Next we hear why James Anderson,

thinks global warming is so horribly
wrong as a term to describe

and it has massive heat capacity,

tons of carbon per year yet to convert
back from CO2 but canonical

release rate per year gives
us around 89 tons per year,

engineering particularly solar
radiation management.

and fact.

so let me start with with a bias
this this term global warming

percent of the labor while carbon
in the Earth's surface soils,

refers to the National Research
Council report on climate

So I always avoid the term and
I cringe every time I hear it.

Scientists have discovered a way
the stratosphere can become

we've exceeded that of every year.

around the world found the stratosphere
has the same low amount of

find an easy link to this video presentation
at Harvard University

Anderson gives the example of a
class 3 pulled up off the west

what's the point pointed out,

This was the worst possible
cases up a red wine,

We learn of feedback switch make
this developing climate shift

but in 2000,

I'll also add my lengthy
notes to the blog,

emissions before they trigger much
much larger carbon or methane

coast from a depth of about 100 meters,

. But I do want you to hear this.

on other climate feedback in the
atmosphere plus and this is a

James Anderson.

soils of Siberia northern Alaska but also

it it ignites but the numbers as Steve,

representation is and in carbon
per vehicle because of that's

the time barrier again get all past
programs as free MP3s from our

sound cloud I'm Alex,

water vapor.

fall depends on whether we can rein
in our fossil-fuel burning

Some of it is a little difficult
for the lay person to understand

inputs from the previously frozen
land and sea bed in the Arctic