The dangers of "willful blindness"
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0:01 - 0:04In the northwest corner of the United States,
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0:04 - 0:07right up near the Canadian border,
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0:07 - 0:11there's a little town called Libby, Montana,
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0:11 - 0:16and it's surrounded by pine trees and lakes
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0:16 - 0:20and just amazing wildlife
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0:20 - 0:26and these enormous trees that scream up into the sky.
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0:26 - 0:29And in there is a little town called Libby,
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0:29 - 0:33which I visited, which feels kind of lonely,
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0:33 - 0:36a little isolated.
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0:36 - 0:40And in Libby, Montana, there's a rather unusual woman
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0:40 - 0:42named Gayla Benefield.
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0:42 - 0:44She always felt a little bit of an outsider,
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0:44 - 0:46although she's been there almost all her life,
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0:46 - 0:49a woman of Russian extraction.
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0:49 - 0:51She told me when she went to school,
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0:51 - 0:52she was the only girl who ever chose
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0:52 - 0:56to do mechanical drawing.
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0:56 - 1:00Later in life, she got a job going house to house
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1:00 - 1:04reading utility meters -- gas meters, electricity meters.
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1:04 - 1:07And she was doing the work in the middle of the day,
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1:07 - 1:10and one thing particularly caught her notice, which was,
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1:10 - 1:14in the middle of the day she met a lot of men
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1:14 - 1:19who were at home, middle aged, late middle aged,
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1:19 - 1:24and a lot of them seemed to be on oxygen tanks.
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1:24 - 1:27It struck her as strange.
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1:27 - 1:30Then, a few years later, her father died at the age of 59,
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1:30 - 1:34five days before he was due to receive his pension.
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1:34 - 1:35He'd been a miner.
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1:35 - 1:41She thought he must just have been worn out by the work.
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1:41 - 1:45But then a few years later, her mother died,
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1:45 - 1:48and that seemed stranger still,
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1:48 - 1:50because her mother came from a long line of people
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1:50 - 1:54who just seemed to live forever.
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1:54 - 1:58In fact, Gayla's uncle is still alive to this day,
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1:58 - 2:00and learning how to waltz.
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2:00 - 2:04It didn't make sense that Gayla's mother
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2:04 - 2:06should die so young.
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2:06 - 2:10It was an anomaly, and she kept puzzling over anomalies.
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2:10 - 2:12And as she did, other ones came to mind.
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2:12 - 2:14She remembered, for example,
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2:14 - 2:17when her mother had broken a leg and went into the hospital,
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2:17 - 2:19and she had a lot of x-rays,
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2:19 - 2:22and two of them were leg x-rays, which made sense,
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2:22 - 2:27but six of them were chest x-rays, which didn't.
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2:27 - 2:30She puzzled and puzzled over every piece
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2:30 - 2:32of her life and her parents' life,
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2:32 - 2:36trying to understand what she was seeing.
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2:36 - 2:38She thought about her town.
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2:38 - 2:41The town had a vermiculite mine in it.
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2:41 - 2:44Vermiculite was used for soil conditioners,
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2:44 - 2:47to make plants grow faster and better.
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2:47 - 2:50Vermiculite was used to insulate lofts,
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2:50 - 2:53huge amounts of it put under the roof
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2:53 - 2:56to keep houses warm during the long Montana winters.
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2:56 - 2:59Vermiculite was in the playground.
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2:59 - 3:00It was in the football ground.
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3:00 - 3:03It was in the skating rink.
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3:03 - 3:06What she didn't learn until she started working this problem
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3:06 - 3:14is vermiculite is a very toxic form of asbestos.
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3:14 - 3:15When she figured out the puzzle,
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3:15 - 3:18she started telling everyone she could
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3:18 - 3:21what had happened, what had been done to her parents
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3:21 - 3:24and to the people that she saw on oxygen tanks
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3:24 - 3:27at home in the afternoons.
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3:27 - 3:29But she was really amazed.
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3:29 - 3:31She thought, when everybody knows, they'll want to do something,
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3:31 - 3:34but actually nobody wanted to know.
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3:34 - 3:36In fact, she became so annoying
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3:36 - 3:38as she kept insisting on telling this story
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3:38 - 3:41to her neighbors, to her friends, to other people in the community,
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3:41 - 3:43that eventually a bunch of them got together
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3:43 - 3:45and they made a bumper sticker,
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3:45 - 3:48which they proudly displayed on their cars, which said,
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3:48 - 3:51"Yes, I'm from Libby, Montana,
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3:51 - 3:56and no, I don't have asbestosis."
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3:56 - 4:00But Gayla didn't stop. She kept doing research.
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4:00 - 4:03The advent of the Internet definitely helped her.
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4:03 - 4:05She talked to anybody she could.
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4:05 - 4:08She argued and argued, and finally she struck lucky
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4:08 - 4:10when a researcher came through town
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4:10 - 4:13studying the history of mines in the area,
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4:13 - 4:16and she told him her story, and at first, of course,
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4:16 - 4:18like everyone, he didn't believe her,
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4:18 - 4:20but he went back to Seattle and he did his own research
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4:20 - 4:25and he realized that she was right.
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4:25 - 4:29So now she had an ally.
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4:29 - 4:32Nevertheless, people still didn't want to know.
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4:32 - 4:35They said things like, "Well, if it were really dangerous,
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4:35 - 4:38someone would have told us."
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4:38 - 4:41"If that's really why everyone was dying,
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4:41 - 4:46the doctors would have told us."
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4:46 - 4:49Some of the guys used to very heavy jobs said,
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4:49 - 4:51"I don't want to be a victim.
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4:51 - 4:53I can't possibly be a victim, and anyway,
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4:53 - 5:00every industry has its accidents."
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5:00 - 5:04But still Gayla went on, and finally she succeeded
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5:04 - 5:06in getting a federal agency to come to town
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5:06 - 5:11and to screen the inhabitants of the town --
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5:11 - 5:1515,000 people -- and what they discovered
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5:15 - 5:19was that the town had a mortality rate
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5:19 - 5:2580 times higher than anywhere in the United States.
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5:25 - 5:29That was in 2002, and even at that moment,
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5:29 - 5:33no one raised their hand to say, "Gayla,
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5:33 - 5:37look in the playground where your grandchildren are playing.
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5:37 - 5:42It's lined with vermiculite."
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5:42 - 5:45This wasn't ignorance.
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5:45 - 5:47It was willful blindness.
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5:47 - 5:51Willful blindness is a legal concept which means,
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5:51 - 5:54if there's information that you could know and you should know
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5:54 - 5:57but you somehow manage not to know,
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5:57 - 6:00the law deems that you're willfully blind.
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6:00 - 6:04You have chosen not to know.
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6:04 - 6:08There's a lot of willful blindness around these days.
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6:08 - 6:11You can see willful blindness in banks,
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6:11 - 6:14when thousands of people sold mortgages to people
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6:14 - 6:16who couldn't afford them.
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6:16 - 6:18You could see them in banks
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6:18 - 6:20when interest rates were manipulated
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6:20 - 6:22and everyone around knew what was going on,
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6:22 - 6:25but everyone studiously ignored it.
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6:25 - 6:29You can see willful blindness in the Catholic Church,
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6:29 - 6:33where decades of child abuse went ignored.
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6:33 - 6:36You could see willful blindness
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6:36 - 6:40in the run-up to the Iraq War.
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6:40 - 6:44Willful blindness exists on epic scales like those,
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6:44 - 6:47and it also exists on very small scales,
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6:47 - 6:51in people's families, in people's homes and communities,
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6:51 - 6:56and particularly in organizations and institutions.
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6:56 - 7:00Companies that have been studied for willful blindness
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7:00 - 7:03can be asked questions like,
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7:03 - 7:05"Are there issues at work
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7:05 - 7:09that people are afraid to raise?"
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7:09 - 7:11And when academics have done studies like this
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7:11 - 7:13of corporations in the United States,
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7:13 - 7:19what they find is 85 percent of people say yes.
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7:19 - 7:22Eighty-five percent of people know there's a problem,
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7:22 - 7:24but they won't say anything.
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7:24 - 7:27And when I duplicated the research in Europe,
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7:27 - 7:30asking all the same questions,
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7:30 - 7:33I found exactly the same number.
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7:33 - 7:37Eighty-five percent. That's a lot of silence.
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7:37 - 7:39It's a lot of blindness.
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7:39 - 7:42And what's really interesting is that when I go to companies in Switzerland,
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7:42 - 7:46they tell me, "This is a uniquely Swiss problem."
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7:46 - 7:50And when I go to Germany, they say, "Oh yes, this is the German disease."
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7:50 - 7:53And when I go to companies in England, they say,
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7:53 - 7:56"Oh, yeah, the British are really bad at this."
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7:56 - 8:01And the truth is, this is a human problem.
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8:01 - 8:07We're all, under certain circumstances, willfully blind.
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8:07 - 8:10What the research shows is that some people are blind
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8:10 - 8:13out of fear. They're afraid of retaliation.
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8:13 - 8:17And some people are blind because they think, well,
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8:17 - 8:19seeing anything is just futile.
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8:19 - 8:21Nothing's ever going to change.
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8:21 - 8:24If we make a protest, if we protest against the Iraq War,
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8:24 - 8:26nothing changes, so why bother?
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8:26 - 8:30Better not to see this stuff at all.
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8:30 - 8:33And the recurrent theme that I encounter all the time
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8:33 - 8:36is people say, "Well, you know,
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8:36 - 8:39the people who do see, they're whistleblowers,
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8:39 - 8:42and we all know what happens to them."
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8:42 - 8:46So there's this profound mythology around whistleblowers
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8:46 - 8:50which says, first of all, they're all crazy.
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8:50 - 8:53But what I've found going around the world
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8:53 - 8:56and talking to whistleblowers is, actually,
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8:56 - 9:00they're very loyal and quite often very conservative people.
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9:00 - 9:04They're hugely dedicated to the institutions that they work for,
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9:04 - 9:07and the reason that they speak up,
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9:07 - 9:10the reason they insist on seeing,
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9:10 - 9:13is because they care so much about the institution
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9:13 - 9:17and want to keep it healthy.
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9:17 - 9:19And the other thing that people often say
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9:19 - 9:22about whistleblowers is, "Well, there's no point,
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9:22 - 9:25because you see what happens to them.
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9:25 - 9:26They are crushed.
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9:26 - 9:30Nobody would want to go through something like that."
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9:30 - 9:33And yet, when I talk to whistleblowers,
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9:33 - 9:38the recurrent tone that I hear is pride.
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9:38 - 9:41I think of Joe Darby.
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9:41 - 9:44We all remember the photographs of Abu Ghraib,
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9:44 - 9:48which so shocked the world and showed the kind of war
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9:48 - 9:50that was being fought in Iraq.
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9:50 - 9:53But I wonder who remembers Joe Darby,
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9:53 - 9:57the very obedient, good soldier
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9:57 - 10:02who found those photographs and handed them in.
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10:02 - 10:05And he said, "You know, I'm not the kind of guy
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10:05 - 10:10to rat people out, but some things just cross the line.
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10:10 - 10:12Ignorance is bliss, they say,
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10:12 - 10:15but you can't put up with things like this."
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10:15 - 10:18I talked to Steve Bolsin, a British doctor,
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10:18 - 10:23who fought for five years to draw attention
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10:23 - 10:28to a dangerous surgeon who was killing babies.
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10:28 - 10:30And I asked him why he did it, and he said,
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10:30 - 10:34"Well, it was really my daughter who prompted me to do it.
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10:34 - 10:36She came up to me one night, and she just said,
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10:36 - 10:40'Dad, you can't let the kids die.'"
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10:40 - 10:42Or I think of Cynthia Thomas,
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10:42 - 10:46a really loyal army daughter and army wife,
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10:46 - 10:49who, as she saw her friends and relations
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10:49 - 10:54coming back from the Iraq War, was so shocked
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10:54 - 10:56by their mental condition
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10:56 - 11:00and the refusal of the military to recognize and acknowledge
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11:00 - 11:02post-traumatic stress syndrome
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11:02 - 11:08that she set up a cafe in the middle of a military town
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11:08 - 11:13to give them legal, psychological and medical assistance.
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11:13 - 11:16And she said to me, she said, "You know, Margaret,
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11:16 - 11:20I always used to say I didn't know what I wanted to be
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11:20 - 11:22when I grow up.
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11:22 - 11:27But I've found myself in this cause,
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11:27 - 11:32and I'll never be the same."
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11:32 - 11:35We all enjoy so many freedoms today,
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11:35 - 11:37hard-won freedoms:
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11:37 - 11:41the freedom to write and publish without fear of censorship,
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11:41 - 11:44a freedom that wasn't here the last time I came to Hungary;
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11:44 - 11:47a freedom to vote, which women in particular
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11:47 - 11:49had to fight so hard for;
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11:49 - 11:52the freedom for people of different ethnicities and cultures
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11:52 - 11:57and sexual orientation to live the way that they want.
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11:57 - 12:02But freedom doesn't exist if you don't use it,
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12:02 - 12:04and what whistleblowers do,
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12:04 - 12:07and what people like Gayla Benefield do
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12:07 - 12:12is they use the freedom that they have.
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12:12 - 12:15And what they're very prepared to do is recognize
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12:15 - 12:18that yes, this is going to be an argument,
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12:18 - 12:21and yes I'm going to have a lot of rows
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12:21 - 12:25with my neighbors and my colleagues and my friends,
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12:25 - 12:28but I'm going to become very good at this conflict.
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12:28 - 12:30I'm going to take on the naysayers,
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12:30 - 12:35because they'll make my argument better and stronger.
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12:35 - 12:38I can collaborate with my opponents
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12:38 - 12:42to become better at what I do.
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12:42 - 12:45These are people of immense persistence,
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12:45 - 12:50incredible patience, and an absolute determination
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12:50 - 12:55not to be blind and not to be silent.
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12:55 - 12:59When I went to Libby, Montana,
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12:59 - 13:02I visited the asbestosis clinic
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13:02 - 13:06that Gayla Benefield brought into being,
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13:06 - 13:09a place where at first some of the people
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13:09 - 13:12who wanted help and needed medical attention
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13:12 - 13:15went in the back door
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13:15 - 13:17because they didn't want to acknowledge
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13:17 - 13:19that she'd been right.
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13:19 - 13:23I sat in a diner, and I watched
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13:23 - 13:27as trucks drove up and down the highway,
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13:27 - 13:31carting away the earth out of gardens
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13:31 - 13:38and replacing it with fresh, uncontaminated soil.
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13:38 - 13:40I took my 12-year-old daughter with me,
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13:40 - 13:43because I really wanted her to meet Gayla.
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13:43 - 13:46And she said, "Why? What's the big deal?"
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13:46 - 13:49I said, "She's not a movie star,
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13:49 - 13:53and she's not a celebrity, and she's not an expert,
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13:53 - 13:56and Gayla's the first person who'd say
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13:56 - 13:59she's not a saint.
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13:59 - 14:02The really important thing about Gayla
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14:02 - 14:04is she is ordinary.
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14:04 - 14:09She's like you, and she's like me.
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14:09 - 14:15She had freedom, and she was ready to use it."
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14:15 - 14:17Thank you very much.
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14:17 - 14:21(Applause)
- Title:
- The dangers of "willful blindness"
- Speaker:
- Margaret Heffernan
- Description:
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Gayla Benefield was just doing her job -- until she uncovered an awful secret about her hometown that meant its mortality rate was 80 times higher than anywhere else in the U.S. But when she tried to tell people about it, she learned an even more shocking truth: People didn’t want to know. In a talk that’s part history lesson, part call-to-action, Margaret Heffernan demonstrates the danger of "willful blindness" and praises ordinary people like Benefield who are willing to speak up. (Filmed at TEDxDanubia.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 14:38
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