The mysterious ways of beauty in photography - Hans Aarsman at TEDxAmsterdam
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0:10 - 0:13If you happen to like
beautiful photographs, -
0:13 - 0:17you probably won't like
what I am going to say -
0:17 - 0:19therefore, let's start where it all began,
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0:19 - 0:23sometimes it makes it easier
to think along. -
0:23 - 0:26For me, it started with the work
of a photographer; -
0:26 - 0:28Arsath Ro'is,
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0:28 - 0:30he worked for the Amsterdam municipality
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0:30 - 0:32a civil servant,
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0:32 - 0:36and his job was to record
the changing city. -
0:36 - 0:39Every morning he would take his moped
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0:39 - 0:44and drive to the outskirts of Amsterdam -
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0:45 - 0:47where the buildings sites were
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0:47 - 0:52and the tunnels were dug
and the ring road was built - -
0:55 - 0:57There was always
a lot of sand in his pictures -
0:57 - 1:00and that's why the civil servants
he worked with, -
1:00 - 1:04called him the "sand photographer."
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1:04 - 1:06You probably noticed already
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1:06 - 1:10that there is a moped in every image -
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1:10 - 1:13the story goes like this:
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1:13 - 1:16one day Arsath Ro'is was taking a photo
on a building site, -
1:16 - 1:20and he was just focusing
on his camera and the subject, -
1:20 - 1:23and behind his back
somebody was stealing his moped. -
1:23 - 1:29(Laugher)
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1:29 - 1:33And he swore never to leave
his moped out of sight. -
1:33 - 1:43(Laugher)
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1:43 - 1:44So, what have we got here:
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1:44 - 1:48we've got very
straightforward photography, -
1:48 - 1:52there are no artistic ambitions.
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1:52 - 1:56Arsath Ro'is was not interested
in taking interesting photographs, -
1:56 - 1:58he just wanted to do his job
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1:58 - 2:02and he didn't want
his moped to be stolen again. -
2:02 - 2:06And that is what makes him so authentic.
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2:08 - 2:10Now I'll mention a photographer
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2:10 - 2:12with artistic ambitions:
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2:12 - 2:17there was a time that I was
a photographer with artistic ambitions - -
2:17 - 2:19(Laughter)
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2:19 - 2:22You know, I had shows in galleries,
and in museums, -
2:22 - 2:24I made books, there were concepts,
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2:24 - 2:30and projects and themes
and series and subjects - -
2:30 - 2:35I could have bought a moped
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2:35 - 2:36(Laughter)
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2:36 - 2:39and put it in every image that I took
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2:39 - 2:42I could have adopted a surrealistic style,
a straight forward style, -
2:42 - 2:44I even could have had success with it,
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2:44 - 2:47but it would have been
just another concept, -
2:47 - 2:49it would have been fake,
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2:49 - 2:53and would not have been authentic at all.
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2:53 - 2:56Isn't is weird that somebody
working for the municipality -
2:56 - 2:59is more authentic
than an artist may ever be? -
2:59 - 3:05Mind you, a civil servant,
working from 9 to 5. -
3:09 - 3:12There are two things
that you can conclude from this: -
3:12 - 3:17one thing is, it's dangerous
to have artistic ambitions, -
3:17 - 3:20they may prevent you from being authentic;
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3:20 - 3:22second, if you really want
to make interesting pictures, -
3:22 - 3:25you shouldn't want to make them.
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3:25 - 3:28Do you want me to repeat that?
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3:28 - 3:32(Laughter)
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3:32 - 3:35So, after I saw the work of Arsath Ro'is
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3:35 - 3:38and I realised what it meant,
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3:38 - 3:40I dropped the projects and the concepts,
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3:40 - 3:45and the themes and the series
and the subjects - -
3:45 - 3:49I sold my equipment,
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3:51 - 3:55I threw away half of my negatives,
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3:55 - 3:58and the rest I sold
to the Dutch Photo Museum, -
3:58 - 3:59Nederlands Fotomuseum,
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3:59 - 4:01and I persuaded them to put it
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4:01 - 4:05downloadable for free
on their web site, high [resolution] -
4:05 - 4:09so you could make prints like this of it.
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4:09 - 4:11Sometimes people send me a picture
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4:11 - 4:15of what they have done with my picture -
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4:15 - 4:20(Laughter)
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4:20 - 4:22it may look that I'd done this
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4:22 - 4:24all in a whim,
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4:24 - 4:26but in fact it took me years to do it.
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4:26 - 4:28But, man, what a relief.
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4:28 - 4:32Finally I could see what there is to see.
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4:32 - 4:35Most photography is not about
seeing what there is to see, -
4:35 - 4:37most photography is about
presenting the world -
4:37 - 4:39in a well composed way
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4:39 - 4:42and that is not easy to do,
because the world is very chaotic, -
4:42 - 4:45and you have to be very skilled
as a photographer to do it; -
4:45 - 4:47and when you do it
as a photographer, people say: -
4:47 - 4:50"You are a good photographer!
Look at this image, -
4:50 - 4:53what a beautiful image,
it's almost like a painting" - -
4:53 - 4:56(Laughter)
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4:56 - 4:59And it's not a modern painting
it's not Andy Warhol, -
4:59 - 5:04it's old-fashioned, 17th,
18th century, 19th century painting. -
5:04 - 5:10In 1816, a French naval ship
named "The Medusa" -
5:10 - 5:13sank to the bottom of the sea,
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5:13 - 5:18and 147 seamen managed to get on a raft.
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5:18 - 5:20They floated around for two weeks,
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5:20 - 5:24many died, and eventually 15 seamen
were saved. -
5:24 - 5:27Two years later, in 1818,
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5:27 - 5:34the French painter,
Theodore Gericault painted this ordeal. -
5:34 - 5:38And now we go to 2008,
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5:38 - 5:41Georgian army invaded South Ossetia,
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5:41 - 5:44the Russian army expelled them very soon,
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5:44 - 5:47and this is a picture of soldiers
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5:47 - 5:50retreating from South Ossetia --
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5:50 - 5:52You see the connection?
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5:52 - 5:54I can show a lot of pictures like this,
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5:54 - 5:56with all this connection
between painting and photography, -
5:56 - 5:59but I'm not going to do it,
I trust that you think alone. -
5:59 - 6:01I'll only show this one:
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6:01 - 6:04a picture I made myself in 1998,
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6:04 - 6:08it is very popular,
people like it very much, -
6:08 - 6:10it's the most downloaded from the internet
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6:10 - 6:14of the web site
of the Nederlands Fotomuseum. -
6:14 - 6:16Do you know why people like this picture?
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6:16 - 6:19Because it resembles almost every picture
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6:19 - 6:21of Caspar David Friedrich.
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6:21 - 6:25(Laughter)
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6:27 - 6:29And it's not on purpose
that people like it, -
6:29 - 6:31it's not on purpose
that I made it this way, -
6:31 - 6:33it's unaware,
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6:33 - 6:35it's something we carry around with us,
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6:35 - 6:39it's our cultural history.
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6:41 - 6:44And of course in the beginning
I liked it when people said: -
6:44 - 6:45this is a beautiful picture,
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6:45 - 6:47you are a good photographer.
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6:47 - 6:49But there came a moment that I thought,
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6:49 - 6:51I want to see what there is to see
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6:51 - 6:53and not be dictated
by painting all the time, -
6:53 - 6:57old fashioned painting all the time.
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6:57 - 7:01Can photography have a beauty of its own?
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7:01 - 7:05And if beauty is too much to ask,
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7:05 - 7:08can it be interesting on its own?
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7:08 - 7:11Interesting - if you really want
to make interesting pictures, -
7:11 - 7:14you shouldn't try to make them.
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7:14 - 7:17So I stopped -
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7:20 - 7:23This is a photography that falls
on your doormat every week, -
7:23 - 7:27it is inside the leaflets
of the supermarkets. -
7:27 - 7:32This is how supermarkets
present the meat they offer, -
7:32 - 7:36anybody thinking about photography now?
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7:36 - 7:38Now you think of meat!
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7:38 - 7:41This photography is so uninteresting,
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7:41 - 7:44that you forget photography,
you just think about the subject. -
7:44 - 7:47and that is what makes it
interesting to me. -
7:47 - 7:51(Laughter)
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7:51 - 7:53There is a big realm of things
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7:53 - 7:57to discover in this area of photography.
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7:57 - 8:01These are the ones I love the most.
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8:01 - 8:06Everybody should have
this picture on his desk, -
8:06 - 8:08then you don't have to
crack your brain anymore -
8:08 - 8:11which size is bigger: A4, A3, A6 -
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8:11 - 8:14(Laughter)
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8:14 - 8:19So, I started to collect
this kind of photography, -
8:20 - 8:23but then I had to move
to a smaller apartment, -
8:23 - 8:25I mean, I was a photographer,
I stopped photographies, -
8:25 - 8:28it is going to cost you --
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8:29 - 8:33And to fit in myself,
I had to throw away a lot of stuff, -
8:33 - 8:36and in the meantime,
the piles of uninteresting photographs -
8:36 - 8:37were getting bigger and bigger,
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8:37 - 8:40should I throw away the piles
of uninteresting photographs, -
8:40 - 8:41or should I throw away
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8:41 - 8:46the puppets my mother made
in the old-peoples home? -
8:46 - 8:48Every time she made a puppet -
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8:48 - 8:53(Laughter)
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8:53 - 8:58I'm just going to put a jacket
on the remaining time. -
8:58 - 9:05(Laughter) (Applause)
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9:05 - 9:07Every time she made a puppet,
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9:07 - 9:09she would show it to me and then said:
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9:09 - 9:11"Do you like it?" "Mom, it's great!"
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9:11 - 9:14and then she said, of course,
"Do you want to have it?" -
9:14 - 9:17and I said, "Yes, I'd really like
to have it." -
9:17 - 9:19So I got lots of this puppets in my house,
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9:19 - 9:23I held them above the bin,
but I couldn't let loose. -
9:23 - 9:26It felt like betraying my mother's memory.
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9:26 - 9:30Then I thought, memory,
isn't photography about memory? -
9:30 - 9:32So I bought a camera again,
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9:32 - 9:35took pictures of the puppets of my mother,
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9:35 - 9:38held them above the bin
and could let loose. -
9:38 - 9:43In that way I managed
to throw away a lot of stuff. -
9:43 - 9:45(Laughter)
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9:45 - 9:46This is a childhood rocket,
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9:46 - 9:48I mean, what does a big grown up man
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9:48 - 9:50do with this stuff that is for children -
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9:50 - 9:53I didn't throw it away, I gave it away.
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9:53 - 9:55This is my television set,
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9:55 - 9:58people of the television area
don't have to worry, -
9:58 - 9:59it is not going to be any E-trend,
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9:59 - 10:02because it was taken away in a minute.
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10:02 - 10:06I wrote on it : "Steal in order."
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10:08 - 10:11And then I got a phone call
from Foam Magazine, -
10:11 - 10:15it is an international,
notorious photography magazine, -
10:15 - 10:22and they said, "We heard that you are
in the possession of a camera again," -
10:22 - 10:24I said, "Yes, I have to confess,
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10:24 - 10:27I am in the possession of a camera again."
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10:27 - 10:28"What do you do with it?"
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10:28 - 10:31I said, "Well, I just take pictures
of things I throw away," -
10:31 - 10:33(Laughter)
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10:33 - 10:36And they said, "We would like to see it"
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10:36 - 10:42And before I knew,
I had 24 pages in this magazine -
10:42 - 10:44on things I threw away.
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10:44 - 10:50(Applause)
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10:52 - 10:54This, I didn't throw away,
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10:54 - 10:56I found out that you can use
photography also -
10:56 - 11:01to prevent you from buying things
you don't really need. -
11:01 - 11:05(Laughter)
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11:05 - 11:06Yeah.
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11:06 - 11:10I managed to postpone
buying this computer for a year, -
11:10 - 11:15I just waited until a spilled
a cup of coffee on the old one. -
11:15 - 11:20And it was published
in the beginning of 2008, -
11:20 - 11:24the title was
"Photography against consumerism." -
11:24 - 11:28A few months later,
the credit crisis started, -
11:28 - 11:32so you can see what you can achieve
with photography? -
11:32 - 11:35If you skip the painting -
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11:35 - 11:38So, I was back in business again,
but not really, -
11:38 - 11:40I was not really back in business,
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11:40 - 11:42because I wasn't going to look
for the next subject, -
11:42 - 11:45and project, and theme
and series and whatever, -
11:45 - 11:47it just happened
that I wanted to throw away stuff -
11:47 - 11:49and photography seemed to help,
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11:49 - 11:51so I just took pictures of it,
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11:51 - 11:54I wasn't interested
in making interesting pictures, -
11:54 - 11:57I was just interested
in throwing away stuff. -
11:57 - 11:59So, then you start wondering,
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11:59 - 12:02"What makes a picture interesting?"
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12:02 - 12:05Do you think
this is an interesting picture? -
12:05 - 12:08It was taken half a year ago,
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12:08 - 12:12a boy shot in a school,
teachers and fellow students -
12:12 - 12:15and then he shot himself,
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12:15 - 12:18and among the things
people put in front of the school, -
12:18 - 12:21there was this panel in the background
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12:21 - 12:25in English it says, "God, where were you?"
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12:25 - 12:30Well, those questions
are not easy to answer. -
12:31 - 12:33There was another question as well,
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12:33 - 12:35"Warum", which means "Why", in English,
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12:35 - 12:40which is even more difficult to answer,
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12:40 - 12:44and here we have
the mysterious creator of this panels -
12:44 - 12:46by the looks of him,
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12:46 - 12:50he is not so interested
in answering the questions -
12:50 - 12:54but more in need of some attention.
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12:54 - 12:56And that is what he was going to get.
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12:56 - 13:00(Laughter)
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13:02 - 13:05But I was wondering -
I have seen this guy before - -
13:05 - 13:07and, do you know, the "R" in this panels
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13:07 - 13:10and the question mark are very strange?
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13:10 - 13:12in "Warum" as well,
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13:12 - 13:15So, I did some research
and I came across - -
13:15 - 13:16do you remember, a year ago,
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13:16 - 13:19this guy who put his daughter
in a basement -
13:19 - 13:21and made children with her in Austria? -
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13:21 - 13:26Frittzel - this is his house,
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13:26 - 13:29and this is the mysterious creator,
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13:29 - 13:32and now he writes,
"How ever could it come to this?" -
13:32 - 13:34and the "Warum" again is showed weirdly,
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13:34 - 13:38it's something like "not again."
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13:38 - 13:40And still, this was not his coming out,
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13:40 - 13:45his coming out was in 2007,
December the 17th, -
13:45 - 13:48it was also in Germany,
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13:48 - 13:53here, this woman had shot herself
and her children -
13:53 - 13:56and he put "Warum" and the old panels
in front of the house, -
13:56 - 13:58on the pavement,
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13:58 - 14:03and two days later he managed
to get them next to the door. -
14:05 - 14:06But this is not the end.
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14:06 - 14:09Do you remember this year Queen's Day?
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14:09 - 14:11The third of April,
this guy bumped into the crowd, -
14:11 - 14:14and bumped into the monuments,
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14:14 - 14:17among the things people put there
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14:17 - 14:20to show their sympathy -
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14:20 - 14:24(Laughter)
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14:28 - 14:31Well, in a purely aesthetical, formal way,
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14:31 - 14:33this is not beautiful photography,
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14:33 - 14:35but there is something else in it,
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14:35 - 14:41there is something to discover,
there is something to find. -
14:41 - 14:43And that is what we can call beauty too
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14:43 - 14:45but it's another kind of beauty,
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14:45 - 14:47it's not a beauty
of the old fashioned painting, -
14:47 - 14:49but it is a beauty
of the scientific discovery, -
14:49 - 14:52of the [mathemathical] formula,
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14:52 - 14:56of the simple solution
to a complicated problem, -
14:56 - 14:59of investigation.
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14:59 - 15:02And suddenly I found myself
writing for "De Volkskrant," -
15:02 - 15:05it is a big dutch newspaper,
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15:05 - 15:10analysing pictures in this
investigative way that I just showed you. -
15:10 - 15:15And this is what I wrote
about the "Warum" guy -
15:17 - 15:20and I was very happy that every week
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15:20 - 15:22I could tell my story about photography
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15:22 - 15:24in a different, not-paintily way,
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15:24 - 15:26but it was one drawback,
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15:26 - 15:28and it was that I only could show
one picture -
15:28 - 15:29I couldn't show my research,
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15:29 - 15:31and then "De Volkskrant" came up
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15:31 - 15:35with a very simple solution
to this complicated problem. -
15:35 - 15:40They gave me two pages
instead of half a page, -
15:40 - 15:44so now I can analyze
complete stories on photography -
15:49 - 15:51I've got more space for my research
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15:51 - 15:54and I've got more space for myself,
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15:54 - 15:56because I earn a bit more money,
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15:56 - 15:59and I've moved to a bigger apartment.
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15:59 - 16:00Thank you very much.
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16:00 - 16:02(Applause)
- Title:
- The mysterious ways of beauty in photography - Hans Aarsman at TEDxAmsterdam
- Description:
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Surprising, insightful and at times hilarious, Aarsman shows different concepts of beauty in photography, and suggests that the only real photographic beauty is to be found in pictures that were made without such a goal in mind.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 16:05
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