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Should I Divorce My Husband For Adultery? - Ask Pastor Tim

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    This is from:
    "anonymous - just humiliated."
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    "Can I get a divorce?
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    I am still raw with pain
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    with every desire..."
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    Now hear this: "Can I get a divorce?
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    I am still raw with pain..."
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    but she has every desire and prays
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    to forgive her husband
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    of twenty-plus years
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    for his adulterous affair
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    with a young, beautiful woman,
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    who he spent over $8,000 on
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    with traveling to at least five states
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    including six cities,
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    jewelry from Tiffany's, jackets,
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    a new iWatch when it first was introduced
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    to the market.
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    It has been a little over two years ago
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    since this young woman,
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    angered by their breakup..."
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    Her husband and this young lady broke up,
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    so the young lady called the wife
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    and introduced herself....
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    "...to me as his girlfriend."
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    And revealed all this information,
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    which her husband didn't deny.
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    He confirmed it as true
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    when she confronted him.
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    "Reconciliation has been
    harder than anything,
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    testing my faith as I go to God regularly
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    to forgive him continually."
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    She says, "I face triggers."
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    What does she mean?
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    There are these triggers that set off
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    anger and bitterness.
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    What? New discoveries.
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    Things that her husband
    didn't fully disclose.
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    She's finding out as time goes on
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    new information, new discoveries.
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    Inconsistencies in the things
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    that he has told her that reveal lies.
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    "And the discovery that
    he referred to this girl
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    as his ex-girlfriend,
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    upgrading their foul,
    adulterous relationship
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    as one as common as a courtship
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    instead of referring to
    her as what she was,
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    a mistress.
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    I'm hurting badly
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    with feelings of not feeling good enough."
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    So she feels like a failure as a wife.
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    "Anger that I wrestle in the flesh
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    because I cherish my
    relationship with Jesus Christ.
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    My journey actually has been smoother
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    since I've discovered
    this two-plus years ago.
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    But we still argue.
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    He says he's repented, but I don't see how
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    because I still feel disrespected
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    in the way he views her.
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    Like how he mentioned her to someone
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    as his ex-girlfriend,
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    and how he tells me I'm crazy
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    for still wrestling with the problem.
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    And like how he says
    he lives a sinless life
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    now that he's repented.
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    Like when he uses profanity
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    in response to me badgering him
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    about the past adulterous affair
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    as if it's my fault.
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    His lies he's told in the aftermath
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    to cover up things she told me
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    aren't recognized as sin by him
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    because now that he's
    not committing adultery,
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    he claims he's sinless."
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    She says, "I'm born again,
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    and I'm always repenting,
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    always seeking the Lord to purge me
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    as He said He would.
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    'Every branch that abides in Him...'
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    I'm never so satisfied with where I am
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    that I call myself sinless.
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    Am I set free? Yes.
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    But now more than ever, I'm wrestling
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    with anger and unforgiveness
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    as they are triggered.
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    I have really great days.
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    I have good days, moderate days,
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    and really, really bad days.
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    I'm seeking the Lord
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    and pouring out to Him through all this."
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    Now she also sent a follow-up
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    where she said this:
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    "I'm so sorry
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    concerning the message I just sent.
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    Be it far from me to leave
    out my own fault too.
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    I've been wrestling with both anger
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    and horrible profanity.
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    I'm repenting constantly
    for my angry outbursts
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    about the affair
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    and the marital neglect I experienced.
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    And to be honest," she says,
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    "he has many times sat quietly
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    and listened to me.
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    He has not been a monster toward me
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    since about two months after the discovery
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    of his adulterous affair.
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    And I'm sorry I left those points out."
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    She felt convicted.
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    So her first question is
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    can I get a divorce?
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    Now you recognize, she follows it up
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    by saying "every desire in her prayer
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    is to forgive her husband."
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    So this is a woman that's torn.
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    This is a woman who's trying to heal,
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    but she says there's triggers.
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    Like she finds some new information
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    that he wasn't honest about.
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    Or he seems to downplay it -
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    say it's her sin, it's her fault.
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    Why does she keep carrying on with this?
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    What do you tell her?
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    She says, "he tells me I'm crazy
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    for still wrestling with the problem."
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    I would say to her you're not crazy.
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    I mean, clearly if you're a woman
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    and your husband has been unfaithful
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    and then in the aftermath of it,
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    new information keeps coming out,
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    lies get uncovered,
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    your husband basically acts like
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    now that he's repented it's over
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    and you ought to just get over it.
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    No, I would say that all those things
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    are exactly going to keep the wound
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    opening up afresh.
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    What do you tell her?
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    Let's start right there.
    Can I get a divorce?
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    What do you tell her?
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    I don't even think that
    she really wants one.
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    But she's asking the question.
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    (from the room)
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    I don't think that's
    something that you give
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    strong response to right away
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    because of the nature of it.
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    She doesn't seem like she wants a divorce.
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    The guy has been unfaithful.
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    She's not going to just get over it.
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    She seems to want to get over it.
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    You don't have a quick
    answer for something like that.
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    I can't think - even though I know
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    what Scripture says about divorce
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    and the grounds for divorce -
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    she doesn't seem that she really wants to.
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    What quick response can you give to that?
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    Tim: Well, she may want to know
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    that she biblically can
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    even though she doesn't want to
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    so that it's kind of a
    weapon in her arsenal
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    to leverage over the guy.
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    I'm just saying that could be.
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    But I mean, just from a
    purely biblical standpoint,
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    (incomplete thought)
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    Let me ask you this.
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    If she divorced her husband,
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    if she was in our church
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    and she divorced her husband,
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    should we say,
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    well, she had biblical grounds?
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    Would we say, well, we
    counseled her against it,
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    but she did actually
    have biblical grounds?
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    Would we say no? She can't?
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    And there would be
    consequences if she did?
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    Maybe some kind of
    disciplinary consequences.
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    Well, let me ask you this.
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    If a woman has a husband who's unfaithful,
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    he says he's repented.
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    He doesn't go on in his sin.
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    And she seems to really
    desire to forgive him,
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    is there a cutoff point?
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    Would you say that she has a right
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    25 years down the road to say
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    you know what?
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    My husband was unfaithful 25 years ago
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    and I want out.
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    I just got sick of this relationship
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    and I've got a biblical out
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    and I'm going to take it and use it now.
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    Is that like a get out of jail free card?
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    Seriously, the exception points
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    that are made there in Matthew 5 and 19,
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    if there's sexual immorality -
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    except in the case of sexual immorality.
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    Is there, whether we put a distinct
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    amount of time on it or not,
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    is there a time?
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    When Jesus says except
    for sexual immorality,
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    does He mean that well,
    if you have a spouse
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    who's been sexually immoral,
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    and once they've done that,
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    you basically have a right
    to divorce them at anytime?
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    Or is there a timeline?
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    Would we say there is a time
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    that if enough time goes by,
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    that it would be inappropriate?
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    What say you?
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    Scripture.
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    What Scripture has
    to do with what's right?
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    What's loving? What's appropiate?
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    What's God-like? What's Christ-like?
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    (from the room)
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    Would 1 Corinthians 7:3-14
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    be applicable to this situation?
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    (unintelligible)
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    Tim: Which verse specifically
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    are you thinking is applicable?
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    (from the room)
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    It's 1 Corinthians 7:13.
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    "If any woman has a husband
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    who is an unbeliever
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    and consents to live with her,
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    she should not divorce him.
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    For the unbelieving husband
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    is made holy because of his wife."
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    Tim: But that situation
    doesn't necessarily
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    bring in the sexual immorality.
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    Whereas the Matthew texts
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    do bring in that specific reality.
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    Let me ask you this.
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    Do you think that it's possible
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    to forgive the husband
    and still divorce him?
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    I hear no. I hear yes.
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    Could you imagine a situation
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    where forgiving him - which is good,
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    appropriate,
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    letting go of the
    bitterness that you feel,
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    where it still would be
    necessary to divorce him?
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    (unintelligible)
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    I mean, what if your husband
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    actually was involved in
    pedophilia or something
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    and you've got kids.
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    Is it possible to forgive him
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    and yet recognize I've
    got to get out of this
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    perhaps for my own safety
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    or for the safety of the children?
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    Perhaps that could be.
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    That doesn't seem like this situation.
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    And clearly it's a different situation
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    when you have a spouse who's continuing
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    in their sexual immorality.
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    But when you have
    somebody that's committed it
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    and then they're repentant...
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    Now, I recognize, we could wrestle with
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    well, is he sincere? Is he not sincere?
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    But do you think that a Christian
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    has an obligation to
    remain in the marriage
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    if the spouse repents?
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    Is it an obligation?
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    Open your Bibles to Matthew 19.
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    You're already there.
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    Look at 19:1,
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    "Now when Jesus had finished these sayings
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    He went away from Galilee
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    and entered the region of
    Judea beyond the Jordan.
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    Large crowds followed Him
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    and He healed them there.
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    And Pharisees came up
    to Him and tested Him
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    by asking 'is it lawful to divorce
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    one's wife for any cause?'
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    He answered, 'have you not read
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    that He Who created them
    from the beginning
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    made them male and female?'
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    And said, 'therefore a man shall
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    leave his father and his mother
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    and hold fast to his wife,
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    and the two shall become one flesh.
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    So they're no longer two, but one flesh.
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    What therefore God has joined together,
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    let not man separate.'
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    They said to Him, 'Why then did Moses
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    command one to give
    a certificate of divorce
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    and to send her away?'
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    He said to them, 'Because
    of your hardness of heart
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    Moses allowed you to divorce your wives.
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    But from the beginning, it was not so.
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    And I say to you,
    whoever divorces his wife
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    except for sexual immorality
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    and marries another, commits adultery.'"
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    So there is an exception there.
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    So okay, with the exception -
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    now this is speaking of a man.
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    It was a very man-dominated society then.
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    But nevertheless, a woman
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    divorces a husband
    because of sexual immorality.
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    It seems like there's an exception there.
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    There's an exception,
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    but there certainly isn't a mandate.
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    It's not commanded.
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    Do we not feel that a Christian
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    who forgives sin against themselves -
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    that's very Christ-like.
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    For her to forgive her husband -
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    very Christ-like.
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    Would we not agree with that?
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    He's claiming to have repented.
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    She says for the last two years -
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    that's 24 months - she says for 22 months,
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    things have actually gone fairly well.
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    Now there's these triggers
    that keep opening it up,
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    but once he came clean, she says,
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    that things were pretty good.
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    What do you tell her?
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    She's got these triggers.
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    She's got these difficulties.
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    What could you tell her
    that would really help her?
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    (from the room)
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    Do you think that telling her that love
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    does not keep a record of wrongdoing,
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    if she truly has forgiven him...
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    for example, like you said, if we tell her
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    that biblically she can divorce,
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    is there a time limit?
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    Well, let's say 25 years from now
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    she wants to divorce.
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    Tim: Here's the thing.
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    You can say that,
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    but here's the problem.
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    If you were married and your husband
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    was the one who was unfaithful,
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    and then as you're moving forward,
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    you keep finding
    inconsistencies with his stories,
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    and instead of calling
    the woman a "mistress,"
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    he's referring to her as an ex-girlfriend.
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    And his lies keep coming back
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    so that the wound keeps getting re-opened.
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    You wouldn't be impervious to that.
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    Your trust is destroyed.
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    And the thing is
    inconsistencies in his stories
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    keep coming up.
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    And he keeps referring to the woman
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    in terms (incomplete thought).
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    What's that?
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    (from the room)
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    What keeps bringing that issue up though?
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    Tim: Well, it's going to come up.
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    I mean, it sounds like he's speaking
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    to other people about it
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    and it gets back to her ears
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    that he's referring to her in terms
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    that seem to lessen
    the severity of his sin.
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    And then, can you imagine
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    if you're wanting to talk,
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    especially when there's inconsistencies
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    and you've got questions,
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    and when you ask about them
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    and you get upset,
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    he's telling you that you're
    the one who's wrong.
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    You're just holding on to it.
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    You're crazy.
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    You're still wrestling with these things.
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    Get over it.
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    Listen, those things would be
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    incredibly hurtful and
    wound opening events.
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    (from the room)
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    It kind of reminds me
    of David in Psalm 55,
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    some of the things he said there,
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    that my companion stretched out his hand;
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    he violated his covenant.
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    And here this lady's
    marriage has been violated.
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    And David felt like flying away
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    from the situation,
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    but ultimately cast his
    burden on the Lord.
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    And I guess if she's determined
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    to love her husband,
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    all those reminders are a reminder
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    ultimately to go back to Christ,
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    to cast her burden on Him,
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    and just plead for mercy
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    and help from the Lord.
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    And He's going to give that.
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    And if it's getting better
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    in these last two years,
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    I would assume in five years,
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    it's even going to be more bearable,
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    better hopefully.
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    Hopefully God would save her husband.
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    If she's going to stay with him,
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    what other option does she have
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    but to rely on the Lord?
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    Tim: Yeah, one of the things I wrote down
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    is to encourage her to not forget
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    the power of prayer
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    and laying hold on the Lord
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    and asking for supernatural grace.
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    But here's the thing,
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    there are women who navigate
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    these kinds of situations
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    and they navigate it to the
    honor and glory of the Lord.
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    But I think one of the things
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    that you need to navigate it
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    is you have to think right.
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    And you have to think truth.
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    And one of the things
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    is to surround yourself with people
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    who are going to bring
    you back to the truth
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    all the time.
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    And I think that's being in a good church,
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    surrounding yourself with people
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    that truly help you.
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    There are people who don't help.
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    There are people who -
    even professing Christians
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    and perhaps genuine Christians
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    who give wrong advice, bad advice,
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    and it's not helpful.
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    It's not healing.
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    You need to surround yourself with people
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    who really are going
    to guide you into truth
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    that is helpful,
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    that will help you get
    across these hurdles.
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    And they don't always
    need to be living people.
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    One of the reasons I grabbed
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    "The Sympathy of Christ,"
    by Octavius Winslow
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    off my shelf is the sympathy of Christ.
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    The reality is we have a
    sympathetic High Priest.
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    This is one of the greatest books
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    that I have on my shelf
    for suffering people.
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    Because what it does is
    it takes you close to Christ.
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    And it shows you His
    suffering and His sympathy
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    for the suffering.
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    Because the truth is that Jesus
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    has been in a place where
    He suffered the rejection,
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    He suffered the hurt,
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    He's been there.
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    And I think that's critical,
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    but think right. Think right.
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    What we need to be called back to
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    especially when we're suffering -
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    (incomplete thought)
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    I especially think about the Apostle Paul
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    or the Apostle Peter.
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    When they're dealing with people
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    who are suffering, what did they do?
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    They didn't say just
    get over it. You're crazy.
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    They brought truth to appeal to the mind.
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    That's what they did.
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    They came in and they said look,
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    we're not going to say
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    your suffering isn't suffering.
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    But, your suffering - it feels long,
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    it feels hard - it's momentary.
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    Fifty years from now,
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    this sister will be with the Lord.
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    She'll be in Paradise.
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    Every tear will be wiped away.
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    So we need to keep it in perspective.
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    Momentary, light affliction is all
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    that our suffering in this life is called.
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    And it's going to give way,
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    give place to an eternal weight of glory.
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    But you think - you think.
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    What truths does this woman [need?]
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    Obviously, the truths of the cross.
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    The truths of God's forgiveness of her.
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    That's got to be the foundation.
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    I'm forgiven.
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    After what I've done, I'm forgiven.
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    After what I've done to Him, I'm forgiven.
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    Another thing that is essential
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    is coming back to the truth,
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    God has promised
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    to never leave us or forsake us.
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    Because you know what the temptation
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    in trial is.
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    The devil's right there to say,
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    "Look, God's vacated.
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    You're on your own.
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    He's not helping you. He's silent.
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    You're praying to Him?
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    This isn't going away.
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    He's not hearing you."
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    And I know Charles Leiter has said
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    that the Gardener is never so close
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    as when He's pruning.
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    And I've come across it somewhere else,
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    maybe Matthew Henry,
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    that the Refiner is never
    so close to the gold...
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    You could speak to that.
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    I mean, you put the silver and gold
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    in the kiln.
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    You're not far away
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    when the gold's cooking in the kiln,
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    and you're getting the impurities out.
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    And that's the reality.
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    What we have to be
    brought back to is this,
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    that God is specifically
    ordering my suffering.
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    We have to be confident in that.
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    Otherwise, we have no
    foundation to stand on.
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    We have to be able to say
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    all things are indeed working
    together for my good.
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    I have to believe in a God
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    that is entirely in control
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    of every nuance of my life,
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    and that He's guiding.
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    And that He is the God Who says
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    He does not willingly
    afflict the sons of men.
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    What does that mean? It's the idea
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    that He doesn't from the heart.
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    He doesn't because He's cruel.
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    Now look, He's a God Who's just.
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    But there's sensitivity with God.
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    I mean, you definitely
    get the idea in Scripture,
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    God does not need to have His arm twisted
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    to show mercy.
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    It seems more difficult for
    Him to mete out justice.
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    But entirely consistent
    with His character,
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    He must.
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    But just the idea that He's not willing
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    to afflict the sons of men.
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    It's this idea that God is going to bring
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    the suffering that's for our good.
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    I'd tell her you don't want to
    use your mouth like that
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    with your husband.
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    You don't want any profanity to come out.
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    That's wrong.
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    No matter what he's done, that's wrong.
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    And she talks about the
    repenting that she does,
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    but it really needs to be
    the kind of repenting
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    where she eliminates
    that from her life totally.
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    She needs that.
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    There needs to be a real holiness
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    being worked out there
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    in the fear of God.
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    There needs to be a cleansing.
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    The tongue needs to be set in order.
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    And she needs the grace.
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    Just because her husband may be
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    reopening the wound and triggers may come,
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    that is no excuse for her to do that.
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    I mean, we understand the circumstances
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    and that it's really difficult.
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    We're not saying it isn't difficult.
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    It is.
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    She's in an incredibly
    difficult situation.
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    I mean, do you ladies have anything
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    that you would add
    that you would tell her?
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    (from the room)
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    I was just going to ask
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    on a practical level.
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    Is there a time when godly counsel
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    is to go seek help from elders,
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    from people in your church,
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    to counsel the two of them together
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    if he saying that he has repented
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    and has turned from that,
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    but there are signs that
    maybe that is not true.
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    Is there a time when it's not just dealt
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    with the two of them, they need to go out?
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    Like within their body?
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    Tim: Yes, I mean, definitely counseling.
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    Definitely whether that's
    pastoral counseling
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    with the pastors
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    or whether there's some kind of counseling
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    with a counselor,
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    if both of them can be involved,
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    that's definitely a good place.
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    My assumption in this
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    is that you have a husband
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    that's professing to have repented
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    and he feels like now he's actually
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    even reached some state
    of perfection or something.
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    The feeling I get is he probably
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    isn't a genuine Christian.
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    Now, that still doesn't mean
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    that there couldn't be some good things
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    achieved if you can get
    them both into counseling.
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    But that would be good if
    he's willing to do that.
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    But sometimes I guess we just
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    have to recognize
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    that a guy like this might not be willing.
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    Without knowing the real details there,
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    he might not be willing,
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    or even if he was
    willing for a time to go,
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    if he's not genuinely converted,
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    difficult to know how
    much fruit there may be.
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    Sometimes in these situations
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    if you've got one that's converted
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    and the other one it's
    pretty obvious they're not,
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    you really have to focus
    in on the one that's saved
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    to do the right thing.
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    Because if the lost member,
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    even if they're going to counseling,
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    they just lack the equipment
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    to handle this thing in a godly fashion.
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    And perhaps they even need to be
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    dealt with about their false profession.
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    And the thing is if the Lord's in it,
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    then yeah, you'll get wonderful fruit,
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    because if God saves him,
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    then the thing will really heal.
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    But if the Lord isn't in it,
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    dealing with him like that is probably
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    going to chase him away
    from the counseling.
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    And he will all the more quickly
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    not want to be involved.
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    Somebody had a hand up just now.
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    (from the room)
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    I was just thinking that she might also
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    still be dwelling on it because
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    he did not confess - he got caught.
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    So that could be something
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    that she's still thinking about.
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    Tim: Yeah, she's going to play
    it over and over in her mind.
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    And I'll guarantee, we view things
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    as elders in the church like that.
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    We take very much into consideration
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    when sin is exposed -
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    did they get caught?
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    Or did they come and confess?
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    So often when people get caught,
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    then they say, "Oh, I repent."
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    Well, now it's very questionable.
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    Now you got caught.
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    You were forced to now play the part.
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    So yes, I think any woman,
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    that would be a big issue.
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    That yeah, he didn't come
    and confess this to me.
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    He got caught.
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    And then the thing that it seems like
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    she's bringing out -
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    because we've seen this.
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    We see this with sin.
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    A person gets caught.
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    Now they confess, but later
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    it becomes discovered
  • 33:13 - 33:15
    that they didn't confess everything.
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    And now you confront them with the more.
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    Well, now they confess it.
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    And now they apparently repent of that.
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    But you can understand if you're a wife,
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    and it seems like he's repented,
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    but new things keep coming up
  • 33:29 - 33:32
    that it's very convenient
    he never mentioned.
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    The thing you're looking
    for when somebody repents
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    is you just lay it all out on the table
  • 33:36 - 33:38
    so that there's nothing hidden,
  • 33:38 - 33:40
    nothing more that's going to come out.
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    It's just there it all is.
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    I'm not hiding anything.
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    Because yes, as soon
    as you've got the idea,
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    he got caught and he's only
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    admitting what he got caught for
  • 33:51 - 33:53
    and we keep finding out
  • 33:53 - 33:55
    there's more stuff that's hidden.
  • 33:55 - 33:57
    That's one of the greatest indications
  • 33:57 - 34:01
    that there is no genuine aspect
  • 34:01 - 34:02
    to the repentance.
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    It's all a put on.
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    (from the room)
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    I also have a thought,
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    in the first letter she talked a lot about
  • 34:12 - 34:14
    his response and that at times
  • 34:14 - 34:18
    still referring to her as ex-girlfriend
  • 34:18 - 34:20
    and/or not disclosing everything,
  • 34:20 - 34:23
    but in the next letter, she was like,
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    it hasn't all been bad.
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    There have been times where I have had
  • 34:28 - 34:31
    him listen to my concerns.
  • 34:31 - 34:33
    So it just made me think of when
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    in 1 Peter it's talking about suffering
  • 34:35 - 34:39
    and her desire to actually walk
  • 34:39 - 34:41
    pleasing to the Lord in that manner.
  • 34:41 - 34:44
    And in knowing her weaknesses,
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    knowing that there's triggers,
  • 34:46 - 34:48
    knowing that the devil's
    going to be right there
  • 34:48 - 34:50
    to tempt her in those weaknesses,
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    just what it says in 1 Peter 5:6,
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    "Humble yourselves therefore
  • 34:57 - 34:58
    under the mighty hand of God
  • 34:58 - 35:00
    so that at the proper time
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    He may exalt you,
  • 35:01 - 35:03
    casting all your anxieties on Him
  • 35:03 - 35:05
    because He cares for you."
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    And then this part where it says,
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    "be sober-minded,
  • 35:08 - 35:09
    be watchful.
  • 35:09 - 35:12
    Your adversary, the devil, prowls around
  • 35:12 - 35:13
    like a roaring lion
  • 35:13 - 35:15
    seeking someone to devour.
  • 35:15 - 35:18
    Resist him, firm in your faith,
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    knowing that the same kinds of sufferings
  • 35:20 - 35:21
    are being experienced
  • 35:21 - 35:23
    by your brotherhood throughout the world
  • 35:23 - 35:25
    and after you have
    suffered a little while,
  • 35:25 - 35:27
    the God of all grace Who has called you
  • 35:27 - 35:29
    to His eternal glory in Christ
  • 35:29 - 35:31
    will Himself restore, confirm,
  • 35:31 - 35:33
    strengthen, and establish you.
  • 35:33 - 35:37
    To Him be the dominion
    forever and ever, amen."
  • 35:37 - 35:41
    So it seems like she
    wants to fight against it
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    and just trusting in those things
  • 35:43 - 35:47
    and God's enabled her to fight against it
  • 35:47 - 35:48
    and to humble herself before Him
  • 35:48 - 35:51
    and to cast her anxieties on Him
  • 35:51 - 35:53
    in this season.
  • 35:53 - 35:55
    It seems like she recognizes
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    that things are getting
    a little bit better.
  • 35:58 - 36:06
    She's enduring and trusting more.
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    Tim: I'll tell you two
    other aspects of this
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    that if she's rightly communicating it
  • 36:12 - 36:16
    that are pretty good indicators
  • 36:16 - 36:21
    that his repentance is
  • 36:21 - 36:24
    not a godly repentance.
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    He may have stepped away from this
  • 36:26 - 36:28
    and he wants to preserve his marriage,
  • 36:28 - 36:31
    but a good indication
    it's not godly repentance -
  • 36:31 - 36:33
    two aspects that jump out at me
  • 36:33 - 36:39
    is one, if a man sins
    against his wife that way,
  • 36:39 - 36:44
    and he knows that calling that girl
  • 36:44 - 36:48
    an ex-girlfriend just does not
  • 36:48 - 36:50
    sit well with her,
  • 36:50 - 36:53
    he should never do it again.
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    Another thing that jumps out
  • 36:55 - 36:59
    is that he would ever fault her
  • 36:59 - 37:01
    for not getting over it.
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    After what he's done,
  • 37:03 - 37:08
    his approach should be one of shame,
  • 37:08 - 37:12
    not fault-finding with her.
  • 37:12 - 37:17
    So you can understand
  • 37:17 - 37:19
    that those things would definitely
  • 37:19 - 37:28
    reopen the wounds and be hurtful.
  • 37:28 - 37:33
    But the thing is, you have to trust,
  • 37:33 - 37:37
    yes, the wound keeps getting reopened,
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    but the Lord's only
    going to let that wound
  • 37:39 - 37:44
    be reopened as many times as is necessary.
  • 37:44 - 37:49
    Never so often that it's cruel.
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    Never so often as that it's harmful.
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    He's going to let it happen
  • 37:56 - 37:59
    as many times as it's useful.
  • 37:59 - 38:01
    And clearly, she's indicating
  • 38:01 - 38:06
    that there are some things that do need
  • 38:06 - 38:12
    to be dredged up out of her own life.
  • 38:12 - 38:17
    But it's very difficult.
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    (from the room)
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    If he continued to refer to the woman
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    as an ex-girlfriend
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    and continued in that disrespect to her
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    as his wife,
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    would we call her to continue
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    to endure the struggle?
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    Or do you think at that point,
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    like it's an intentional harm towards her
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    by her husband?
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    Tim: Well, I don't think it's grounds
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    to try to get out of the marriage.
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    I think she needs to
    fight for this marriage.
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    And like I say, I think
    all the more she's able
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    even with him reopening wounds,
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    all the more she's able to forgive him,
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    is all the more Christlike
    she comes across.
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    And you know, the truth is
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    that 1 Peter 3 reality
    of seeking to win him
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    by her conduct.
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    And I guarantee,
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    her throwing a blast of profanity at him
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    does not help.
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    It doesn't help anything.
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    It doesn't help her.
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    It doesn't help heal it.
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    It doesn't help him.
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    In no way does it help anything.
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    But if she navigates this thing
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    with the help of God,
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    with the grace of God -
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    and that's like, after what James said,
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    I have it here -
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    don't underestimate the power of prayer.
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    Don't underestimate the thing that seems
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    so impossible to let go of or to forgive
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    or to get over,
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    the Lord has helped His people
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    to get over and past every one
    of those kinds of situations.
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    And there is grace sufficient.
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    And people who have experienced it
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    can say at times, there is a
    supernatural help from God
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    to forgive or to be able to cover over
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    or to love.
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    I was just recently talking about
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    the Wurmbrand book that
    was selling for a dollar,
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    "Tortured for Christ."
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    You know, when they were in
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    those Romanian prisons,
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    the more their captors beat them,
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    the more love they felt for the jailers.
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    It's the guy whipping them,
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    with every stroke of the whip,
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    they're feeling greater love
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    for the guy whipping them.
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    How is that?
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    It's just plain supernatural.
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    But God's in the business
    of helping His people,
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    so you cast your cares on Him.
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    There's a place to come:
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    Lord, please, he keeps
    reopening the wound.
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    You know that he is.
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    You know this hurts, Lord.
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    You don't expect it not to hurt.
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    I need help. Lord, I need help.
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    In my own strength, I cannot do this.
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    You just cast yourself on Him.
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    And the thing is He helps His people.
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    He really does.
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    There's help for her.
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    And I think she's experiencing
    some of that help.
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    But I think there's areas
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    where there's still defilement
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    in her own life that needs to be cleansed.
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    She needs to control her tongue.
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    And that doesn't seem like it's in place,
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    not if she's letting loose
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    with a flurry of profanity.
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    Well, anything else?
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    (from the room)
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    I would say to her
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    to just exhaust every avenue
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    of overcoming it with love
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    and persistence in prayer with the Lord.
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    Because the Lord will give you peace
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    to left or right if you're
    in prayer about it.
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    The fear of the Lord overcomes you
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    and will convict you of the things
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    spoken out of turn
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    or if you made a frown
    when you're offended.
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    The Lord will convict them right there.
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    The sanctifying even in that suffering
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    is good for the offended or the spouse.
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    And also, in the care of the Lord,
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    He will direct when
    the time is to move on.
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    Because it won't be the
    Christian's desire to move on.
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    But it will be the Lord's will.
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    Tim: Yeah, on that note.
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    This is from the chapter,
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    "The Emotion of Love in Christ."
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    "How little do we know experimentally
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    of the love of Christ in our souls
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    dislodging slavish fear,
  • 43:35 - 43:38
    a bondage spirit, unbelieving doubt,
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    and so enlarging our hearts that we may
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    run the way of the Lord's commandments.
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    And the chiefest is to love.
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    Bring your heart with its
    profoundest emptiness,
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    its most startling discovery of sin,
  • 43:53 - 43:56
    its lowest frame, its deepest sorrow,
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    and sink it into the depths
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    of the Savior's love.
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    That infinite sea will flow over all,
  • 44:04 - 44:07
    erase all, absorb all,
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    and your soul shall swim and sport
  • 44:10 - 44:13
    amid its gentle waves,
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    exclaiming in your joy and transport,
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    'O the depths...'
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    The Lord direct your heart
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    into the love of God.
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    Just as it is hard, cold, fickle,
  • 44:25 - 44:28
    sinful, sad, and sorrowful,
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    Christ's love touching your hard heart
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    will dissolve it.
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    Touching your cold heart will warm it.
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    Touching your sinful heart will purify it.
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    Touching your sorrowful
    heart will soothe it.
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    Touching your wandering heart
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    will draw it back to Jesus.
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    Only bring your heart to Christ's love.
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    Believe in its existence, its reality,
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    its fullness, its freeness.
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    Believe that He loves you
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    and just as love begets love,
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    so the simple belief in the love of Jesus
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    will inspire you with a reflected
  • 45:04 - 45:07
    responsive affection
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    and your soul like the chrysalis
  • 45:09 - 45:12
    will burst from its captivity and gloom
  • 45:12 - 45:15
    and soaring in life, liberty, and beauty
  • 45:15 - 45:18
    will float in the sunbeams of God's full,
  • 45:18 - 45:20
    free, and eternal love.
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    And in a little while, will find itself
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    in Heaven where all is love."
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    And she should buy this book.
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    Seriously.
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    For people who are deeply suffering,
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    like I say, Octavius Winslow.
  • 45:40 - 45:43
    One of the greatest books -
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    balm for the suffering soul.
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    Well, let's pray.
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    Father, we pray that there might be help
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    for some folks in the things
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    that were said tonight.
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    Lord, we pray that You'd use this
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    in some people's lives for good,
  • 46:03 - 46:05
    for Your glory, for healing,
  • 46:05 - 46:10
    for salvation, for help.
  • 46:10 - 46:12
    Lord, we pray that Your kindness,
  • 46:12 - 46:15
    that this love that
    Octavius Winslow speaks about,
  • 46:15 - 46:18
    oh, Lord, may we know more about it.
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    Help us to know it
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    and to swim in the depths of it.
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    Help this sister, who, Lord,
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    You've put her in the furnace.
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    We pray that she would know
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    the cleansing, purifying grace of God
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    in the midst of those flames.
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    Help her to endure.
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    Help her to persevere.
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    Help her to love her husband
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    with the love that only You can give.
Title:
Should I Divorce My Husband For Adultery? - Ask Pastor Tim
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