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The neuroscience of psychedelic drugs, music and nostalgia

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    At various points over the past 20 years
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    I've studied two fundamental
    human experiences
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    that have taught me
    an awful lot about emotion,
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    and that may hold keys
    to a revolution in psychiatry.
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    The first is how we experience music.
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    The second is how we experience
    psychedelic drugs
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    such as LSD and magic mushrooms,
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    or, psilocybin,
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    which is the active component
    in magic mushrooms.
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    You may be wondering
    what these two things have in common
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    outside of Woodstock --
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    after all, music is not
    a physical substance.
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    It can be described as a limited set
    of vibrations in the air
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    that can be detected by your ear.
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    Music may seem to have more to do
    with aesthetics than with biology
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    or chemistry.
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    Psychedelic drugs on the other hand
    are physical substances.
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    They are chemical compounds
    that you can ingest
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    that directly interact
    with brain chemistry
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    and change your experience of the world.
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    This change is temporary
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    but the effects of this change
    can alter the course of your life.
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    But let's face it:
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    psychedelics have the potential
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    to trigger unexpected
    and potentially dangerous effects.
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    So what could these two
    very different things
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    possibly have in common?
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    I've found that music and psychedelics
    can impact our well-being
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    in powerful and complementary ways.
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    Music can have a direct
    impact on our emotions
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    with measurable impacts on the brain;
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    psychedelic drugs,
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    under the right circumstances,
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    may have therapeutic effects.
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    These effects can be manifest in patterns
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    that we can study
    and document with brain scans,
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    and together and leveraged
    in a purposeful fashion,
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    music and psychedelics may have an even
    greater healing impact on patients.
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    What's more, these effects can be manifest
    in healthier and happier lives
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    and more integrated personalities.
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    I began my journey into the mental
    health benefits of music
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    long before I ever intended
    to make such a journey.
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    For roughly half of my life
    I've been a musician,
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    having played in community orchestras,
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    community theaters,
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    wedding bands,
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    a salsa-meringue band.
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    I was a member of a string band
    in Philadelphia for many years.
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    And for the better part
    of my formative years,
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    I was the drummer
    in a Weezer-Nirvana cover band
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    that morphed into a hardcore punk band.
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    (Laughter)
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    That's right.
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    Drummer in a punk band.
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    But it wasn't until I really began
    my career in psychology and neuroscience
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    that I began to also appreciate
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    how widely and how deeply
    we as a species,
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    both implicitly and explicitly,
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    use music as a tool to try
    to regulate our emotions
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    and to heal.
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    And for some us, music keeps us going.
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    For others, music isn't quite enough.
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    For me, this led to some
    fascinating questions.
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    I began to use music as a tool
    to study emotion and memory in the brain.
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    My first scientific study was focused
    on music-invoked nostalgia.
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    Nostalgia's a rich and bittersweet emotion
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    that is intimately tied up
    with our autobiographical memories.
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    We can often encounter nostalgia
    in unexpected places.
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    You may have had the experience
    driving down the highway,
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    turning on the radio
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    or firing up your favorite music
    recommendation service
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    and you hear a song
    you haven't heard in ages,
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    and you get immediately
    transported back in time
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    and dumped into this immersive memory --
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    something you haven't
    thought about in ages
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    but was very meaningful to you --
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    maybe wedding day or senior prom
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    or the birth of your first child
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    or the death of a loved one.
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    Music can serve as a powerful context cue
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    for deeply meaningful and intensely vivid
    nostalgic memories such as these.
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    Nostalgia in a sense is deeply woven
    into our sense of self.
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    Who are we at our most authentic selves?
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    By connecting us
    with our emotional histories,
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    nostalgia can help us to stave off
    sadness, loneliness,
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    existential threat
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    and even the imminence of death
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    and the approaching horizon
    of our lives as we age.
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    To try to get a better understanding
    of how music may tap into nostalgia
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    and what that may be doing in the brain,
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    I began to work with computational
    models of music cognition.
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    I applied these models
    to interrogate brain activity
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    that was recorded
    while people were listening
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    to nostalgia-evoking
    and nonnostalgia evoking music.
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    And importantly --
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    at least to a brainiac like me --
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    I found that nostalgia was able
    to recruit a wide network of brain regions
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    involved in multiple levels
    of difference cognitive processes.
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    Whereas nonnostalgic music
    could recruit brain regions
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    such as Heschl's gyrus,
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    involved in basic auditory processing,
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    or Broca's area,
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    which involved in processing
    grammar and syntax
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    not only in language but also in music.
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    Nostalgia was able to recruit
    these brain regions and more.
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    Brain regions such as the substantia nigra
    involved in reward processing
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    or the anterior insula involved
    in the visceral experience of emotion
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    or brain regions
    in the inferior frontal gyrus
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    that are involved
    in autobiographical memories.
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    Nostalgia was also able to recruit
    a wide network of brain regions
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    in prefrontal, frontal, cingulate,
    insular, parietal, occipital
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    and subcortical brain regions
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    that span nearly all
    of our cognitive faculties.
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    This may explain why nostalgia
    can have such an outsized impact on us.
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    But as powerful as it is in the moment,
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    the salve of music-evoked
    nostalgia eventually fades.
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    Nostalgia may be more of a Band-Aid,
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    less of an antibiotic
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    and typically far from a surgical
    intervention for our emotional health.
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    Music can draw out nostalgia
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    and music and nostalgia
    can move our feelings,
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    but how do we make these feelings stick?
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    After studying the nostalgic brain,
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    I joined a team
    at Johns Hopkins University
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    that was studying the effects
    of psychedelic drugs,
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    and I quickly began to learn how deeply
    a piece of music can impact a person
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    during a psychedelic experience.
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    I was previously vexed by the difficulty
    in predicting precisely
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    what musical stimulus would evoke
    precisely what response
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    within a given individual.
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    A song that evokes nostalgia in one person
    could just as easily evoke disinterest
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    of disgust in another person.
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    I began to learn how deeply most music
    seemed to impact most people
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    during psychedelic experiences.
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    Since at least the late '50s,
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    the value of using music to help people
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    to navigate psychedelic
    experiences was clear.
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    We continue this tradition
    in our modern research,
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    asking volunteers to listen to music
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    during the course
    of a psychedelic therapy session,
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    and despite most people being mostly naive
    to the music that we play
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    before they get into the sessions,
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    after these sessions,
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    our volunteers practically beg us
    for the playlists.
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    And some of them report
    returning to the songs
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    that were most impactful to them
    during their psychedelic experience
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    weeks, months and even many years
    after the experience.
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    Somehow these songs can turn
    into touchstones
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    that can rekindle the most powerful
    and impactful and insightful experiences
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    that people encountered
    during their psychedelic sessions.
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    Of course I had to know
    what was going on here.
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    I began to deploy
    my batteries of questionnaires
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    and my carefully crafted experiments
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    and my big, fancy MRI machines
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    to try to determine just what
    could be happening
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    during these experiences
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    that could explain the depth
    of impact that people were encountering.
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    At a basic psychological level,
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    my colleagues and I determined that,
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    for instance, LSD can increase
    positive emotions
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    that are uniquely encountered
    during music listening.
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    This may have relevance just by itself
    for healthy individuals
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    as well as people suffering from mood
    and substance-use disorders.
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    But what was happening in the brain?
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    Earlier we learned that the entire brain
    listens to nostalgic music.
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    When applying computational models
    of music cognition
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    to interrogate brain activity
    that was recorded during music listening
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    under the effects of LSD,
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    we found that the entire brain
    was listening to music
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    and psychedelics were turning up the gain.
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    Where nostalgia could recruit
    brain regions involved in language,
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    memory and emotion,
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    psychedelics were recruiting
    these brain regions
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    at least twice as strongly.
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    Brain regions such as the thalamus
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    that's involved in basic
    sensory processing
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    or the medial prefrontal cortex
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    and the posterior singular cortex,
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    which can be involved in memory
    and emotion and mental imagery.
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    These brain regions were recruited
    up to four times as strongly
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    during the effects of LSD
    than without LSD.
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    Psychedelics turn the nob up to 11.
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    Sensory information is more
    richly experienced in the brain.
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    Emotions, memories
    and mental imagery are supercharged.
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    And it may be the wholesale
    and strong recruitment
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    of a wide range of brain regions
    during these experiences
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    that is the necessary key
    to unlocking change
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    that sets these drugs
    and these experiences apart from others.
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    And the effects can be longlasting.
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    In a study of healthy individuals,
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    I demonstrated that a single
    high dose of psilocybin
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    could reduce negative affect in volunteers
    for at least a week after psilocybin,
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    and increased positive affect
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    for at least a month after a single
    high dose of psilocybin.
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    The reduction in negative affect
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    that we observed after
    psilocybin administration
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    was accompanied by a reduction
    one week after psilocybin
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    in the response of a primitive
    brain region called the amygdala
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    to emotional stimuli.
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    In a separate study in patients
    with major depressive disorder,
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    not only did we observe a substantial
    decrease in depression severity
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    in most of our patients
    after two doses of psilocybin,
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    but we also observed a reduction
    in the amygdala response
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    to negative effective stimuli,
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    specifically one week after psilocybin.
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    This reduction in amygdala response
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    was associated with an enduring
    reduction in depression severity
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    for at least three months
    after psilocybin administration,
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    but frankly, we're still counting.
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    So what does this all mean?
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    It means that music and psychedelics
    may be able to alter the entire brain
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    for a period of time,
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    and that may lead to a change
    in neurocircuitry
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    that may be stuck in patterns
    of negative emotional bias.
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    This may be able to give people
    a period of relief
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    from the grip and the claws
    of negative emotion.
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    And that may be just enough to give
    someone access to perspectives
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    on their selves and their lives
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    and begin on the road to healing
    from years of depression.
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    These drugs are early
    in stages of research,
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    but they're not being researched
    for a wide range of medical indications.
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    There's a evidence growing
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    that psychedelics may be effective
    in helping to treat mood disorders
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    such as major depressive disorder,
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    treatment-resistent depression
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    and the depression and anxiety
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    that accompany
    a late-stage cancer diagnosis.
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    There's also eveidence accumulating
    that psychedelics may be effective
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    in helping to treat a wide range
    of substance-use disorders,
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    including smoking, drinking
    and cocaine use.
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    Additional studies
    are either being planned
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    or are already underway
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    to determine whether psychedelics
    may be effective in treating
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    an even wider range
    of intractable disorders
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    such as OCD, PTSD, opioid-use disorder
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    and anorexia.
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    At this point it might be reasonable
    to take a step back
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    and say, "Are psychedelics
    being sold as a panacea?"
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    And if so, we should
    be rightfully skeptical.
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    Why should we expect such a small family
    of compounds to be so effective
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    in treating such a wide range
    of disparate disorders?
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    Here's a perspective we might consider.
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    Some of these disorders
    share a common thread.
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    At some level,
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    mood disorders and substance-use disorders
    involve negative affect
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    and a disconnection
    from our most authentic selves.
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    Psychedelics may break that mold.
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    Psychedelics and music
    may represent a one-two punch
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    that can operate on psychological
    neuro processes such as negative affect
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    that cut across and contribute
    to multiple disorders.
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    It may be that targeting such
    transdiagnostic processes
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    is what's necessary to really help
    people to develop the resources
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    that they need to begin to recover
    from years of depression and substane use.
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    They say you never get a second chance
    to make a first impression,
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    and that may be true
    for psychedelic drugs.
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    After all, no matter
    how much data come out
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    for the potential of therapeutic
    effects of these drugs,
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    there are still some who are stuck
    on the stigma from the '60s and '70s:
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    myths of the wildly addictive
    properties of these drugs
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    or myths of genetic abnormalities
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    or birth defects after
    being exposed to these drugs
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    or fears that people are going
    to lose their minds
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    and go insane,
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    or maybe even most pervasive
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    is the sense that these effects
    are necessarily real
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    and that they're a necessary outcome
    of having been exposed to these compounds.
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    It may be time to change
    our thinking on that point.
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    No one should expect psychedelic
    drugs to work for everyone.
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    No one should expect psychedelic
    drugs to work for everything.
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    They're powerful compounds
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    that need to be administered
    under carefully controlled circumstances,
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    and there are almost certainly
    people in this world
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    for whom psychedelics
    are incredibly dangerous.
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    But ...
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    antibiotics administered to the wrong
    person or the wrong conditions
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    can be incredibly dangerous,
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    if not worse.
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    But administered to the right person
    under the right conditions,
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    antibiotics save lives.
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    Administered to the right people
    under the right conditions,
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    psychedelic drugs may save lives.
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    It can often feel like it's impossible
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    to heal our hearts and our minds
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    and to grow.
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    But I truly believe that we all have
    the resources within ourselves
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    to do just that.
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    The challenge is often identifying
    and connecting with those resources.
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    And it may be the psychedelics
    and music can help people
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    to do just that.
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    Together, psychedelics and music
    may be able to open our minds to change
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    and direct that change,
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    reconnect us with our most
    authentic selves
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    and allow us access to the things
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    that really allow us to make
    meaning in this world
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    and reconnect
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    with our most authentic selves.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
The neuroscience of psychedelic drugs, music and nostalgia
Speaker:
Frederick Streeter Barrett
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Video Language:
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Duration:
14:09

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