"The hole in the wall: self organising systems" (with Twitter track) Sugata Mitra at ALT-C 2010

"The hole in the wall: self organising systems in education" Keynote speech by Sugata Mitra, Professor of Educational Technology at Newcastle University (Twitter track by agreement with Sugata) at "Into something rich and strange" - making sense of the sea change, the 2010 conference of the Association for Learning Technology (ALT). Session given in Nottingham, UK, on Wednesday 8 September 2010, at 14.00. For information about ALT go to http://www.alt.ac.uk/. Made publicly available by ALT under a Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial 2.0 UK: England & Wales license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/bync/2.0/uk/.

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timbuckteeth: @sugatam now up and speaking on 'the future of learning' in the main auditorium - standing room only #altc2010 [13:06GMT]

Roxy_Sham: EMCC auditorium @UniofNottingham totally full for the first time during conf -#altc2010 'The hole in the wall' Sugata Mitra @Sugatam [13:06GMT]

nixsight: @timbuckteeth Obv! Education is full of love! #ALTC2010 [13:07GMT]

dajbconf: 750 million young people with 'inadequate resources', whilst 200m have 'adequate' & 50m have 'ample' #altc2010 @Sugatam [13:07GMT]

sarahhorrigan: '1 billion children on the planet - only 50 million with ample resources, 200 million with adequate... 750 million inadequate' #altc2010 [13:07GMT]

ScottHibberson: #altc2010 Sugata Mitra keynote http://twitpic.com/2memf6 [13:07GMT]

AJCann: #Altc2010 Daily - http://paper.li/tag/Altc2010 [13:08GMT]

patlockley: @kirstie_C chess isn't ethical - it's black v White. I think that's a Malcolm x quote #altc2010 [13:08GMT]

sarahhorrigan: immediacy of knowledge discovery and general complacency of youth? #altc2010 [13:08GMT]

dajbconf: . @Sugatam citing funny questions from children like "Why be a professor when I can earn as much as you driving a bus?" #altc2010 [13:09GMT]

dajbconf: Problems of relevant and aspiration at top of pyramid (ample resources) & problem of resources at bottom. #altc2010 [13:09GMT]

mattlingard: Wondering if Sugata Mitra did what he did at #mootuk10 Arrived by train from newcastle 2mins before he was due on stage Very cool #altc2010 [13:09GMT]

dajbconf: There are places in every country where 'good' teachers won't go. Global problem. Those places are where they're needed most. #altc2010 [13:10GMT]

gillferrell: #altc2010 Encouraged speaker is talking about possible futures rather than 'the' future [13:10GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugamata: There are places on Earth where good schools cannot be built and good teachers will not go. #altc2010 [13:10GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'places where good teachers won't go are where they are needed most - universal problem' - #altc2010 [13:10GMT]

johnmclear: What I don't get is how come so many US .edu's have adopted Etherpad/Primarypad yet no .ac.uk's have? #altc2010 #scaredofchange? [13:10GMT]

HughDavis: The places where good teachers will not go are just the places they are most needed. #altc2010 [13:10GMT]

pat3460: The places where the good places won't go are exactly the places where they are really needed #altc2010 [13:11GMT]

Emmadw: Sugata is just about to start - #altc2010 - read his work not long after I'd got back from PNG - where some kids loved experimenting on PC [13:11GMT]

dajbconf: . @Sugatam Test scores & distance from Delhi plotted on graph by @Sugatam. Startling decline. #altc2010 [13:11GMT]

dajbconf: In England? Density of council housing vs. GCSE results. More council housing = worse results. #altc2010 [13:12GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'density of council housing correlates with GCSE results - more housing, worse results' - #altc2010 [13:12GMT]

ravisandhu8: Sugata's talk #altc2010 showing so many similarities between the UK and others countries [13:12GMT]

vahva: Inspired by Sugata Mitra's work? This is what I think the implications might be for adult learning: http://trunc.it/ayuo9 #altc2010 [13:12GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 Higher % of council housing = lower GCSE resuls. [13:12GMT]

ashleyhwright: Interesting correlation between council housing and GCSE results #altc2010 [13:12GMT]

sarahhorrigan: remoteness in UK is not geographic, it's socio-economics - #altc2010 [13:12GMT]

bluplatypus: Interesting point : socioeconomic remoteness #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

traceymadden: Looking at coorelation between density of uk social housing and gsce scores #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

dajbconf: Remoteness in India = geographic, remoteness in England = socio-economic. #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

francescademo: Sugata Mitra @Sugatam keynote at #altc2010 sounding promising. Join via #Elluminate http://ow.ly/2B2nw [13:13GMT]

bensteeples: No computer teacher is going to go and teach in the slums in Delhi. #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'The hole in the wall' - computer put into hole in wall like an ATM - children taught themselves (in Indian slums / desert etc) #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Talking about placing computers in the slums of India. Children were teaching themselves in a short time #altc2010 [13:13GMT]

dajbconf: . @Sugatam now talking about 'Hole in the Wall' project (1999-2001) #altc2010 [13:14GMT]

AJCann: If you're not going to #altc2010 in person, there are still lots of ways you can participate online: http://bit.ly/aFLNF9 [13:14GMT]

dajbconf: Wonder if @HallyMk1 has any postcolonialism comments about @Sugatam's presentation? #altc2010 [13:15GMT]

traceymadden: Seeing children in India participate in the hole in the wall project #altc2010 [13:15GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: What happens to a group of children when you leave a computer with them: They teach themselves #altc2010 [13:15GMT]

sarahhorrigan: who needs IT teachers? #altc2010 [13:15GMT]

nixsight: Sugata Mitra's hole in the wall has correlation with story of library in US whose local homeless osmotically became web support. #ALTC2010 [13:15GMT]

ravisandhu8: Fascinating experiment in Asia and Africa where rural children learnt independently, by having a computer left with them #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

HughDavis: #altc2010 SO the claim is that we don;t need to teach digital literacy? [13:16GMT]

Emmadw: Great to hear about the Hole in the wall, having read it in the past. Good e.g. of need for good interfaces #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

dajbconf: @timbuckteeth Yes, but what counts as 'computer literacy'? #surfacelearning #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 children in slums teaching themselves 2 use a computer, after 6 months they have same computer literacy as an avg office secretary [13:16GMT]

Eingang: The Sugata Mitra Hole in the Wall computer at #altc2010 reminds me a lot of the oil drum rugged computer I saw recently. Will try to find. [13:16GMT]

lucyrstone: Computer literacy does not need a specialist teacher, children same standard as secretary after nine months of self teaching #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Despite language, culture, location, socio-economic status, the same result: children teach themselves with computer #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

AJCann: @dajbconf #surfacelearning Yes but #gottastartsomewhere #altc2010 [13:16GMT]

dajbconf: Hyderabad Experiment (2002) - improvements in English, Science & Mathematics scores. #altc2010 [13:17GMT]

dajbconf: @AJCann Yes, but defining what you mean is important! #surfacelearning #gottastartsomewhere #altc2010 [13:17GMT]

timbuckteeth: @dajbconf Wait to hear the rest of the story, the learning gets deeper :-) #altc2010 [13:17GMT]

dajbconf: @AJCann *Takes off overly-critical thesis hat* #altc2010 [13:18GMT]

balbirbarn: would be interested in discussion on the ethical considerations of the Hole in the Wall experiments? #altc2010 - it never gets covered! [13:18GMT]

traceymadden: Children using computrs to 'play' demonstrate improvements in other subjects #altc2010 [13:18GMT]

mweller: The hole in the wall project sounds similar to the container project http://www.container-project.net/ #altc2010 [13:19GMT]

sarahhorrigan: English skills are good - but learned with heavy accent due to lack of teachers in poor areas with ongoing career consequences #altc2010 [13:19GMT]

jsecker: Computer literacy doesn't need to be taught as children will learn in 9 months #altc2010 [13:19GMT]

dajbconf: Speech-to-text has to understand you, therefore trained in neutral English accent. Blocked out training & gave to Indian children. #altc2010 [13:19GMT]

sarahhorrigan: @JonPowles Don't. Mention. The. Lecture! It's this year's VLE!!! #altc2010 [13:19GMT]

mickelous: Saw @sugatam at #mootuk10. Still fascinating at #altc2010 [13:20GMT]

sverjans: Speech recognition software in The Hole in the wall project. Wondering whether it was Lernout&Hauspie software. #altc2010 #previouslives [13:21GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'children will achieve educational objectives on their own if they have a reason to' - #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Children learning to improve their English speaking accents through speech to text software #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

JonPowles: @sarahhorrigan I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

dajbconf: Indian children have a reason to learn & even invent pedagogies. Western children don't! #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

lucyrstone: Children will achieve educational objectives if they have a "reason" to #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

traceymadden: Use of speech to text softwear to help teachenglish pronunciation #altc2010 [13:21GMT]

bluplatypus: It's all about the motivation. Stupid #ALTC2010 [13:21GMT]

sarahhorrigan: @JonPowles *sharp intake of breath* ;o) #altc2010 [13:22GMT]

nixsight: That these kids managed to find useful tools online without access to peer support is brill. HARD to find stuff on living web. #ALTC2010 [13:22GMT]

dajbconf: Arthur C Clarke: "If children are interested, education happens." <--quoted by @Sugatam at #altc2010 [13:22GMT]

gillferrell: #altc2010 A teacher that can be replaced by a machine should be [13:22GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 children improving spoken english by d\l films and spoken dictionaries, then discussing in groups. They weren't told to do this!!! [13:22GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'when you have interest, you have education' - Arthur C. Clarke, 2004 - @sugatam Keynote #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

dajbconf: Someone by @Sugatam a Mac. Windows Moviemaker #fail #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

nixsight: Oh my god. Arthur C Clarke used exactly the same phrase I've been using on reluctant academics for 8 years. I'm all excited! #ALTC2010 [13:23GMT]

JonPowles: @dajbconf Not exactly: as he said at start, the issues are relevance and aspiration, not resources. Diff strategies needed #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

aidej: "a teacher who can be replaced by a machine...should be!" - Arthur C Clarke...Great quote! #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

jsecker: If children are interested then they will learn. Arthur C Clarke #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

sukik: finding Sumtra's talk refreshing; the need, motivation #altc2010 [13:23GMT]

ahiggi: wondering if "those places" need the 'good teachers' or just 'good teaching' role for ICT in improving teaching, not just learning#altc2010 [13:23GMT]

dajbconf: Seminal moment: Indian slum children find Google. Copy-and-paste FTW! #altc2010 [13:24GMT]

ashleyhwright: All students are savvy re: google #altc2010 [13:24GMT]

jak82: @traceymadden #altc2010 Yep we use dragon and iphones so they can practice when they want [13:24GMT]

jak82: @sarahhorrigan Need is more necessary #altc2010 [13:24GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Arthur C Clarke quoted saying 'Any teacher who can be replaced by a machine - should be' #altc2010 [13:24GMT]

JonPowles: Am loving the reality of the viral nature of children's self-directed learning. In general, teachers overestimate their role #altc2010 [13:25GMT]

dajbconf: LOL! @Sugatam bought himself an overcoat in 2006 having to go to Newcastle #altc2010 [13:25GMT]

MSJACOB: #altc2010 Sugata Mitra quotes Arthur C. Clarke a teacher than can be replaced by a machine, should be. [13:25GMT]

authenticdasein: some new stuff from Mitra, about his move to Newcastle. He's engaging as ever #altc2010 [13:25GMT]

dajbconf: Experiment 2006-2010 aiming to show that there are some things children can't teach themselves. #altc2010 [13:26GMT]

francesbell: In 2006 Sugata Mitra bought overcoat to move to Newcastle to do research #altc2010 [13:26GMT]

sarahhorrigan: what can children not teach themselves though? @sugatam keynote #altc2010 [13:26GMT]

heloukee: Sugata Mitra - Beyond Hole in the Wall - 2006-2010 (last saw this in 2008, great to follow progress) #altc2010 [13:26GMT]

ahiggi: @timbuckteeth but how long do those secretaries take to learn those skills? time can be as isolating as poverty #altc2010 [13:27GMT]

dajbconf: Kalikuppam Experiment (2007) - lots of orphans after natural disaster. Learn biotechnology of DNA replication? Surely not! #altc2010 [13:27GMT]

nixsight: This is one of those stories where the narrator tells you how it's going to turn out in their delivery. LOVE IT. #ALTC2010 [13:27GMT]

ashleyhwright: #altc2010 - It's not always raining in Ncl [13:28GMT]

dajbconf: Just goes to show that learning pretty much anything = immersion. #altc2010 [13:28GMT]

authenticdasein: the kuppam xperimnt 2007 - can children teach themselves high level science? The answer of course: yes.... #altc2010 BUT.. [13:28GMT]

sarahhorrigan: @vahva do teachers teach self esteem though? #altc2010 [13:28GMT]

lucyrstone: Inspirational sitting here contemplating the way I teach anyone else? #altc2010 [13:29GMT]

Emmadw: Fascinating to see the kids getting to grips with DNA information on the Hole in the Wall; #altc2010 [13:29GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Childen left to themselves can set bars a lot higher for themselves than teacher would set #altc2010 [13:29GMT]

dajbconf: Children set much higher bars for their own learning than we do! #altc2010 <--Massive pre- and post-test difference. [13:29GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 0% pre-test to 30% in two months - Tamil children teaching themselves biotechnology! #altc2010 [13:30GMT]

ALT: Questions for invited speaker @Sugatam welcomed via Twitter (#altc2010) & Elluminate (http://ow.ly/2B2zH) [13:30GMT]

sharonlflynn: Children set (learning) bars for themselves much higher than we can set for them. @sugatam keynote #altc2010 [13:30GMT]

sarahhorrigan: 'method of the grandmother - stand behind the children when they're working, and admire them' #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

nixsight: Important point from @sugatam about relative metrics for success/failure that can be applied to MOST people/situations. #ALTC2010 #Life [13:31GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 Give a child a PC, and they'll learn complex biotechnology knowledge in a very short time! [13:31GMT]

dajbconf: The 'Grandmother method' - stand behind children and "admire them" - give positive feedback. #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

lucyrstone: Method of the grandmother - stand behind the children and admire them #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

vahva: Question for @sugatam at #altc2010 'what implications does his work have for adult learning?' - from Bryony [13:31GMT]

sarahhorrigan: with method of the grandmother - results up to 50% - comparable with results at private school #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

andrewmid: #altc2010 just because you are asking questions doesn't mean you are assessing [13:31GMT]

JonPowles: In what arbitrarily innumerate world does "30% is a fail" have any real meaning in this context? I love this guy #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

dajbconf: Experiments in Gateshead (2009) - "remotest place I'd ever been". LOL! #altc2010 [13:31GMT]

VickiMcGarvey: #altc2010 grandmother = constructivist teacher [13:32GMT]

jsecker: Using the grandmother method of teaching encourages children to learn even more #altc2010 [13:32GMT]

authenticdasein: The gateshead experiments 2009: will those amazing results be replicated in UK? Can he make those children teach themselves? #altc2010 [13:32GMT]

sarahhorrigan: magic number is '4 children around one screen' for autonomous learning #altc2010 [13:32GMT]

AJCann: Question for @sugatam at #altc2010 'what implications does his work have for adult learning?' - good question, are adults as plastic as kids [13:32GMT]

vahva: I think tutors and trainers of adults are more like @sugatam's 'grandmothers' than a traditional 'teacher': http://is.gd/f0OeX #altc2010 [13:33GMT]

Emmadw: YouTube of Sugata's Kuppam experiment: http://youtu.be/lPlzVItHlP8 #altc2010 [13:33GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 "the children said 'you mean cheating?', I said 'yes' ... 'it happens in research all the time'" Classic :D [13:33GMT]

gillferrell: #altc2010 Where was he when I went to school in gateshead? [13:33GMT]

lucyrstone: 10 year olds encountering GCSE questions through group work, one computer per four children #altc2010 [13:33GMT]

dajbconf: Gateshead experiment - biggest challenge was to get the teacher out of the classroom. 9 year-olds doing GCSE questions. #altc2010 [13:33GMT]

JonPowles: "My hardest problem was getting the teacher out of the classroom" LOL! #altc2010 [13:34GMT]

jak82: @AJCann #altc2010 if there is a need we will learn, maybe not as quick though ... [13:34GMT]

sarahhorrigan: is being able to answers questions 'learning'? #altc2010 [13:34GMT]

dajbconf: "Is it learning?" Same 6 questions given in exam format two months later: 76% both times! #altc2010 [13:34GMT]

AJCann: @jak82 I'm less convinced about adult learning. #altc2010 [13:34GMT]

enm181: “@AJCann: If you're not going to #altc2010 in person, there are still lots of ways you can participate online: http://bit.ly/aFLNF9” [13:35GMT]

egrommet: @jonhickman @paulbradshaw have either of you been following #altc2010 - worth a look. elearning stuff [13:35GMT]

lucyrstone: Children had retained the information after two months, photographic recall #altc2010 [13:35GMT]

cathfenn: from the School of: Once you've heard a lecture you spend the rest of your life forgetting it! #altc2010 [13:36GMT]

dajbconf: British grandmothers teamed up with children in India via Skype. Win/win. Wonderful! #altc2010 [13:37GMT]

andyjb: we love our grannies @sugatams #altc2010 [13:37GMT]

Emmadw: Now he's getting British Grandmothers to work with Indian Kids! Excellent #altc2010 [13:37GMT]

AJCann: University of Granny. Yes we can #altc2010 [13:37GMT]

FieryRed1: #altc2010 I love the enthusiasm with which Sugata's research is conducted [13:37GMT]

aidej: Oh how true: "Once you've heard a lecture you spend the rest of your life forgetting it!" #altc2010 [13:37GMT]

JonPowles: British grandmothers teaching children online in India. "After many years, my house I'd filled with children's voices" #altc2010 [13:38GMT]

tim_vincent: #altc2010 City Uni London moved to Moodle in '09. ~60 staff working on project. Wowsers! [13:38GMT]

balbirbarn: @sugatam talk keeps referring to tests that the children did that demonstrated learning - would be good to see a sample #altc2010 [13:38GMT]

sarahhorrigan: role of equipment and layout also important to foster autonomy in learning #altc2010 [13:39GMT]

lucyrstone: I love the idea of Grandmothers Skyping children in India, amazing #altc2010 [13:39GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 Sugata showing that inclusive learning strategies can be used in many contexts, inter-generational too... [13:39GMT]

authenticdasein: "These two boys wanted to be footballers, after [watching] 10 TED talks, he wants to be Leonardo da Vinci" :-) #altc2010 [13:39GMT]

squinsee: Sugata Mitra's keynote shows how much we underestimate kids and try to control them . they can do so much if we let them go #altc2010 [13:39GMT]

tim_vincent: #altc2010 Gateshead school kid wanted to be footballer. 8 TED talks later and he wants to be Leonardo De Vinci. [13:40GMT]

lucyrstone: I would recruit my own mother as a Granny to support learning with children in India, if only she could use a computer #altc2010 [13:40GMT]

dajbconf: @squinsee Absolutely. And I'm a big fan, but they're replicating existing knowledge & it's not contextual. #altc2010 [13:40GMT]

jak82: So for higher education where the lecturers are subject experts and not 'Doctors'.. is this more important for us? #altc2010 [13:40GMT]

AJCann: @lucyrstone Well if he's right, she can teach herself #altc2010 [13:40GMT]

authenticdasein: what i get overall from @sugatam's keynote is that *children are soooo clever*. And that's a nice thought. #altc2010 [13:41GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 Sugata Mitra's work show's that problem-solving activities helps foster self-organised learning [13:41GMT]

HallyMk1: @dajbconf nope. Not there. Be interested to hear about the political economy of his work. Will see him at #cal11. #altc2010 [13:42GMT]

lucyrstone: Looking around the auditorium lots of smiles everywhere, much more positive than yesterday :-) #altc2010 [13:42GMT]

jak82: So for higher education where the lecturers are subject experts and not 'Doctors' is this more important for us? #altc2010 [13:42GMT]

sarahhorrigan: wonder how much application of knowledge occurs rather than simply learning facts? #altc2010 [13:43GMT]

dajbconf: Big fan of @Sugatam's work, but isn't this a variant of the transmission model using Google as proxy? ducks #altc2010 [13:43GMT]

aidej: Sugata Mitra must have some amount of air miles! :o) #altc2010 [13:44GMT]

ScottHibberson: #altc2010 enjoying @sugatam keynote, very amusing anecdotes about how children use technology [13:44GMT]

nixsight: Yes, he's talking about a variant of rote learning, but the point is, kids can do THIS much by themselves... #ALTC2010 [13:44GMT]

HughDavis: #altc2010 Not sure that reading the correct answer from Google is what we wanted? But a start - certainly. [13:44GMT]

VickiMcGarvey: #altc2010 as much as knowledge acquisition it shows alot about collaborative working [13:44GMT]

suukii: hmmm, beyond the hole in the wall has me thinking of Chomsky and our capacity to learn. Also wondering about measuring learning #altc2010 [13:44GMT]

dajbconf: Information search & analysis + reading comprehension = most essential skills for Primary education, says @Sugatam #altc2010 [13:45GMT]

nixsight: ...teachers need to be there to provide context & teach critical thinking. Which ties into that ACC quote. #ALTC2010 [13:45GMT]

dianebrewster: Some interesting research on home education of children that backs up S Mitra's work #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

dajbconf: . @Sugatam talking about self-organizing systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

jsecker: Information search and analysis skills and reading comprehension essential in primary schools #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

nixsight: ENCOURAGE critical thinking, not teach. Whoops. #ALTC2010 [13:46GMT]

authenticdasein: .@lucyrstone @AJCann's point: exactly! She probably can teach herself! #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

heloukee: The importance of working in groups, emergence of self organising systems (Sugata Mitra) #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

helenbeetham: @HughDavis wd be interesting to assess transferable learning rather than hearing the kids read out - but it is very impressive #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

sharonlflynn: One child to one computer doesn't work, the group aspect is necessary. Sugata Mitra at #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

suukii: self organising systems - is there a challenge in timing? what if we have already learned to work in limiting manners? #altc2010 [13:46GMT]

JonPowles: Mitra's astonishing results only work when the students learn in groups. Self-organizing pedagogical structures emerge #altc2010 [13:47GMT]

sarahhorrigan: emergent properties have the life crushed out of them by pre-designated learning outcomes #altc2010 [13:47GMT]

virtualleader: Missing keynote live streaming for this: corporate induction- ppt and a darkened room :( #altc2010 http://ow.ly/i/3GWN [13:47GMT]

AJCann: @authenticdasein Except I'm not conviced that grannies can teach themselves computers from scratch (though I want to be) #altc2010 [13:47GMT]

tim_vincent: #altc2010 The amazing self-teaching capabilities demonstrated with access to e-resources came about only when working freely in groups. [13:47GMT]

gillferrell: #altc2010 Just enjoyed a lecture! Lots to provoke thought & fantastic speaker. V different to yesterday [13:47GMT]

Eingang: #altc2010 "Education is a self-organising system, where learning is an emergent phenomenon…" -- Sugata Mitra. [13:47GMT]

JonPowles: @nixsight Teachers? Or grandmothers? #altc2010 [13:47GMT]

Emmadw: Groups of 9 year olds good at working out search terms & evaluating resources - as good as MSc students. #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

helenbeetham: Education = social system. Learning = personal phenomenon. How learning happens is a difft qu from how education shd be organised. #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

sharonlflynn: Speculation: education is a self organising system, where learning is an emergent phenomenon. We cannot make it happen. S Mitra #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

authenticdasein: key self-organising systems. You can't make (all of) that happen, but you can set the stage @sugatam's keynote #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Emergent systems are always astonishing. When education is self organised, learning is an emergent phenomenon #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

AJCann: So if learning is a self organizing system, VLEs are bad news? #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

nixsight: Beautiful. Seriously. @sugatam #ALTC2010 [13:48GMT]

sarahhorrigan: much better Keynote than yesterday #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

heloukee: http://sugatam.wikispaces.com/ #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

HughDavis: #altc2010 Wow. Keynot e over: So fast? I must have been enjoying that! [13:48GMT]

tash_harden: "Education is a self organising system, where learning is an emergent phenomenon" - Sugata Mitra #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

dajbconf: . @Sugatam's wiki: http://sugatam.wikispaces.com #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

dianebrewster: Yeah! Systems Thinking :-) self organizing systems with emergent properties - about time Sys Thinking was applied to Edn :-) #altc2010 [13:48GMT]

markdrechsler: Enjoying the #altc2010 tweets a lot - keep them coming :) [13:48GMT]

traceymadden: Mitra: education is self organising system from which learning emerges #altc2010 [13:49GMT]

Emmadw: @HughDavis Though a skill to make sure you've found the right answer ... especially when you're 9 #altc2010 [13:49GMT]

cpjobling: Great talk @sugatem. well worth the price of admission! ;-) #altc2010 [13:49GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 very positive feedback from the twitter backchannel, personally, I enjoyed this keynote much more than yesterday's. [13:49GMT]

AnnalisaManca: Sugata Mitra: The child-driven education http://tinyurl.com/2do97cb #altc2010 #edchat #ukedchat [13:49GMT]

dajbconf: Ego gets in the way of adult self-organizing learning systems? #altc2010 [13:49GMT]

FieryRed1: #altc2010 depends what people actually do with the VLE [13:50GMT]

sarahhorrigan: ego affects adventure in adults, especially in learning #altc2010 [13:50GMT]

suukii: Sugata Mitra @sugatam perhaps adopts a rather less confrontational way of suggesting that the lecture/r may be redundant? #altc2010 [13:50GMT]

abbybarker: @Sugatam The librarians of the future salute you for this work! #altc2010 [13:50GMT]

Eingang: . @AJCann No, you need a group of 4 grannies plus a grandchild to watch over them. (-: #altc2010 [13:50GMT]

nixsight: @JonPowles Well, problem is, this is one thing that our teachers aren't always that good at. But grannies a time-limited resource. #ALTC2010 [13:50GMT]

sharonlflynn: Problem with adult learning is that they are not as adventurous as 9 year olds. They are afraid of making mistakes. @sugatam at #altc2010 [13:50GMT]

andypowe11: sigh... missed #altc2010 keynote to listen to rather uninformative 'update' (i use that term loosely) about uk gov g-cloud [13:51GMT]

helenbeetham: Sugata Mitra making some good points about psych difference betw children and adults learning - curiosity vs loss of face. #altc2010 [13:51GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam spoke through many holes in the wall - the wall of formalised education #altc2010 [13:51GMT]

nicwhitton: Sugata Mitra's talk excellent, but isn't motivation to find out the answers to the questions essential? #altc2010 [13:51GMT]

authenticdasein: @mattlingard it was similar, but had more stuff. and @sugatam was still very very good. #altc2010 you enjoy your DIY alt-c dinner 2nite! [13:51GMT]

dajbconf: Hawthorne Effect, Dweck's Mindsets & anti-individualism. #altc2010 [13:51GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 Sugata's Future of Learning Wiki at http://bit.ly/c1Gmjt [13:52GMT]

FieryRed1: #altc2010 so what's the difference with 40-50 year olds? [13:52GMT]

ravisandhu8: @Sugatam used technology to help Southern Indian children learn better spoken English, helping their accent #altc2010 [13:52GMT]

francesbell: People smiling and (apparently) learning in today's keynote #altc2010 [13:52GMT]

HallyMk1: @dajbconf cultural contexts 4 this work interesting. Shown in outcomes from participatory action research. Assume this factored in #altc2010 [13:54GMT]

ravisandhu8: Essential skills for primary school children http://ow.ly/i/3GXj @sugartam #altc2010 [13:54GMT]

ravisandhu8: @sugatam Speculation of learning http://ow.ly/i/3GXl #altc2010 [13:54GMT]

ravisandhu8: "A teacher that can be replaced by a machine, should be"... Arthur Clarke controversial? @sugatam #altc2010 [13:54GMT]

sverjans: Two key competences in Hole-in-the-wall and follow-ups: Reading Comprehension & Searching for information .@sugatam #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 Social learning with large groups (one controlling PC) ends in chaos, best to have groups of 4. (so, like the Crystal Maze then?) [13:55GMT]

ravisandhu8: "Children can set bars for learning much higher than educators can for them, don't under estimate them" @sugartam #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

ravisandhu8: The secret to children learning independently in India was for a supportive 'facilitator' @sugartam #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

ravisandhu8: "I'm from the traditional system, you hear from a lecture once and then you forget it" @sugartam #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

kevupnorth: (via @sharonlflynn) @sugatam at #altc2010: Adult learners not as adventurous as 9 year olds as they're afraid of making mistakes <-Disagree [13:55GMT]

andyjb: pico projection from mobile phone would be interesting #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

ravisandhu8: "A girl from Gateshead taught me more about Hinduism than I ever did in India" @sugartam #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

ravisandhu8: The secret to @sugatam method is groups of 2 to 5, rather than alone or any larger #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

marloft: Currently employing Grandmother method w/ 5 yr old on starfall.com She says: 'you just click when you need help with a word' #altc2010 [13:55GMT]

dajbconf: 'The Future of Learning' <--All learning? In what context? For what age children? And learning what? #altc2010 [13:56GMT]

sarahhorrigan: it takes time to free learners from the constraints of education. How to frame the question is the art of the teacher #altc2010 [13:56GMT]

geoffstead: > @sharonlflynn: One child to one computer doesn't work, the group aspect is necessary. Sugata Mitra at #altc2010 [13:56GMT]

bluplatypus: It's a great art to provide questions - art of good teaching? #altc2010 [13:56GMT]

HughDavis: #altc2010 The teachers role is to ask the (right) questions not to provide the answers [13:56GMT]

bensteeples: #altc2010 "the internet is full of answers, but not questions" [13:57GMT]

jiscdigital: #altc2010 Sugata Mitra: teaher's role isn't to provide answers but to provide questions. [13:57GMT]

Onkloud9: Sugata - the role of the teacher is to provide the questions not the answers #altc2010 [13:57GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam: Teacher's role changing but not redundant. Answers are all there. Teachers role is to provide the questions. #altc2010 [13:57GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 Sugata "we should refine the questions not refine the answers" [13:57GMT]

MSJACOB: #altc2010 @sugatam art of the teacher is asking the questions, not providing content [13:57GMT]

JonPowles: "not to get rid of teachers, but to redefine the role from the one who provides the content to the one who asks the questions" #altc2010 [13:57GMT]

suebecks: The teacher's role is to provide the question not the content Sugata Mitra #altc2010 [13:57GMT]

sharonlflynn: Teacher is not eliminated. Role is not to provide content, www has the content, but to ask the right questions. @sugatam keynote #altc2010 [13:57GMT]

ravisandhu8: "The teacher's role is not to provide the content, it is to provide the questions, that is the skilled teacher" @sugatam #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

dianebrewster: Teacher's role is to provide the questions not the answers Sugata Mitra #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

soharcaan: ALT-C 2010 (a conference) has been added to #soharc » social handle archive http://t.co/LrkjXbQ via @soharcaan #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

sarahhorrigan: why do we assume that adults don't have natural curiosity? We have it... but something hides it, surely? #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

andrewmid: #altc2010 engagement is about asking the right questions (again)! [13:58GMT]

dajbconf: It's the method that's good here. Hooks and stimulating curiosity = key. The 'self-learning' claim slightly spurious. #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

aidej: Sugata Mitra: "A teacher's role isn't to provide answers but to provide questions." #altc2010 [13:58GMT]

timbuckteeth: @sugatam believes the future of education is self organised but teachers will still play a role #altc2010 [13:59GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 is curiousity an emotion or an attractor? [13:59GMT]

emmadw: teacher's role is to provide questions - kids find answers. V. similar to the book I've just read by Prensky #altc2010 [13:59GMT]

vahva: @JudithELS thank you! Are you following the discussion on #altc2010? [13:59GMT]

fredgarnett: #altc2010 time to re-invent the wheel... [13:59GMT]

helenbeetham: @nicwhitton perhaps the questions asked are motivated by a 'hidden' curriculum? #altc2010 [14:00GMT]

ALT: Invited speakers Josie Taylor & Heather Fry 15:10-16:10 via Elluminate: http://ow.ly/2B5Js #altc2010 [14:00GMT]

nixsight: @dajbconf Self-learning looks like a happy side-effect of the key, though, right? #ALTC2010 [14:00GMT]

HughDavis: #altc2010 Sugata's message must be a real push for PBL? [14:00GMT]

Onkloud9: Sugata - Education is a self organising system, where learning is an emergent phenomenon #altc2010 [14:00GMT]

timbuckteeth: We could ask for a @sugatam encore... #altc2010 [14:00GMT]

heloukee: Triggers, attractors, curiosity and emergence - Sugata Mitra blows the crowd away #altc2010 [14:00GMT]

bluplatypus: Another great presentation - #altc2010 - you are spoiling us! [14:00GMT]

ravisandhu8: "A curriculum is based on curiosity, so we can take the children back, to inspire their curiosity" @sugatam #altc2010 [14:00GMT]