How our brains learn to like music | Psyche Loui |TEDxCambridge
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0:13 - 0:15I'm from a fairly traditional family.
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0:15 - 0:19So like a good Asian girl,
I grew up studying violin and piano, -
0:19 - 0:22but I was also expected
to take all the premed courses -
0:22 - 0:25and go to med school and become a doctor.
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0:26 - 0:27But then I went to college,
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0:27 - 0:28and in college,
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0:28 - 0:30I got really seduced by this idea
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0:30 - 0:35of how these seemingly abstract,
elusive concepts - -
0:35 - 0:40like beauty and truth and love and art
and, in particular, music - -
0:40 - 0:45could actually be understood
using the objective principles of science. -
0:45 - 0:47So then I signed up for grad school
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0:47 - 0:49to study the cognitive
neuroscience of music. -
0:49 - 0:52In grad school, I got obsessed
with this question of, -
0:52 - 0:53Where does music come from?
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0:54 - 0:56Music is a multibillion-dollar industry,
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0:56 - 0:58and that's because people love music.
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0:58 - 1:00People love to rock out at concerts,
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1:00 - 1:03and I'd like to think there's something
about the musical signal -
1:03 - 1:05that appeals to what
is uniquely human in each of us. -
1:05 - 1:08Of course, this is not just true
of the Western world. -
1:08 - 1:10This is a picture
taken in Mali, in West Africa, -
1:10 - 1:13and he's holding
this instrument called the ngoni. -
1:13 - 1:16And although this seems very foreign,
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1:16 - 1:18what his brain does to listen to music
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1:18 - 1:21is probably very similar
to what our brains do to listen to music. -
1:21 - 1:24Furthermore, the physical principles
that make his strings vibrate -
1:24 - 1:28probably are the same
as what makes our instruments vibrate, -
1:28 - 1:30like the violin.
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1:30 - 1:35Now, we don't just love music;
we also know lots of things about music. -
1:35 - 1:37Consider, for instance,
this musical example. -
1:37 - 1:42(Simple chords on a keyboard)
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1:42 - 1:44All right. You might say
that sounds nice and normal, -
1:44 - 1:47kind of like saying,
"I took the T here today." -
1:47 - 1:48What about this?
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1:48 - 1:51(Same chords, the final one discordant)
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1:52 - 1:56Right - if you think that sounded normal,
come talk to me afterwards; -
1:56 - 1:59we might sign you up
for that tone-deafness study we're doing. -
1:59 - 2:00(Laughter)
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2:00 - 2:03When you heard that last chord,
your brain does a double take, right? -
2:03 - 2:05There's something about it
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2:05 - 2:07that's like saying
"I took the T here octopus." -
2:07 - 2:08Nothing wrong with octopus,
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2:08 - 2:11but it just doesn't fit the context
of what happened before it; -
2:11 - 2:13it doesn't fit the grammar.
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2:13 - 2:15Now, this double take that your brain does
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2:15 - 2:18can be measured using electrical
potentials on the surface of the scalp. -
2:18 - 2:21This is a picture of my mom
getting her brain potentials recorded, -
2:21 - 2:24and she's got 64 electrodes
on her cap there, -
2:24 - 2:28and what those do
is make recordings like this. -
2:28 - 2:29And so on the left, I'm showing you
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2:29 - 2:33brain responses to expected
and unexpected musical chords. -
2:33 - 2:35And on the right,
I'm showing you the difference -
2:35 - 2:38between expected and unexpected
on the surface of the scalp - -
2:38 - 2:40so this is a bird's-eye view of the scalp.
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2:40 - 2:41So right away,
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2:41 - 2:44you can see that 200 milliseconds
after the onset of the unexpected chord, -
2:44 - 2:47your brain does this double take:
"Oh, that was unexpected." -
2:47 - 2:50In 500 milliseconds,
you get the brain saying, -
2:50 - 2:53"Oh, how do I integrate that
into what happened before?" -
2:53 - 2:57So this is telling us,
with millisecond accuracy, -
2:57 - 2:59that we know about about music;
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2:59 - 3:01there's something about our brains
that is very sensitive -
3:01 - 3:04to what's grammatical in Western music.
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3:04 - 3:05So the question is,
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3:05 - 3:07Where does this knowledge come from?
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3:07 - 3:08How do we come to know what we know?
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3:08 - 3:10To answer that question,
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3:10 - 3:12we again have to go all the way back
to the ancient Greeks. -
3:12 - 3:15Pythagoras found that if two strings
are being played together -
3:15 - 3:18where one string
is twice the length of the other -
3:18 - 3:21those two sound good together;
they sound consonant. -
3:21 - 3:24So this two-to-one frequency ratio
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3:24 - 3:27is what, supposedly,
brought us closer to the Greek gods. -
3:27 - 3:29In fact, the word "symphony"
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3:29 - 3:32originally means
"vibrating in perfect harmony" -
3:32 - 3:35using these mathematical integer ratios.
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3:35 - 3:40So this two-to-one frequency ratio
is true of music all around the world. -
3:40 - 3:43Now, different cultures divide
that two-to-one frequency ratio -
3:43 - 3:44in different ways.
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3:44 - 3:47In our culture, the equal-tempered
Western chromatic scale -
3:47 - 3:48divides them in 12 steps.
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3:48 - 3:49So this is how it sounds.
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3:49 - 3:52(13 tones covering a 12-note scale)
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3:56 - 3:57Okay.
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3:57 - 4:00Then two guys came along,
said, "Does it have to be this way? -
4:00 - 4:02Why two-to-one? Why not three-to-one?"
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4:02 - 4:06So the Bohlen-Pierce scale is based
on a three-to-one frequency ratio, -
4:06 - 4:09and within that, we've got
13 logarithmic divisions of that scale. -
4:09 - 4:13So you still get some
mathematical integer ratios - -
4:13 - 4:15so the Greek gods are not offended here.
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4:15 - 4:16But what this sounds like
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4:16 - 4:20is completely different
from Western or other types of music. -
4:20 - 4:23(14 tones covering an alternate scale)
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4:28 - 4:33So this is a really powerful approach
to find out what people know about music -
4:33 - 4:34in the laboratory.
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4:34 - 4:37So we can be pretty sure people
have never heard this music before, -
4:37 - 4:40but they come in, they can listen
to this music for a while, -
4:40 - 4:43then we can measure
how they come to know what they know. -
4:43 - 4:45So I'm going to play you,
for about a minute, -
4:45 - 4:47a snippet of a piece by Stephen Yi.
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4:47 - 4:48It's called "Reminiscences,"
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4:48 - 4:50and it's written
in the Bohlen-Pierce scale, -
4:50 - 4:51just so you get an idea.
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4:51 - 4:54(Ethereal music)
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5:43 - 5:46So this really is kind of an otherworldly
new musical experience -
5:46 - 5:47that we're entering here,
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5:47 - 5:49and in our lab, what we wanted to do
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5:49 - 5:52was figure out how people learn
this new musical system. -
5:52 - 5:54So we have these well-controlled melodies
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5:54 - 5:56that people listen to
for about half an hour. -
5:56 - 5:58(Atonal note progression)
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5:59 - 6:02So you listen to these things
for half an hour, -
6:02 - 6:04and they're defined
using rules and principles, -
6:04 - 6:05or grammatical structures,
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6:05 - 6:07that we've defined ourselves.
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6:07 - 6:08And then the question is,
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6:08 - 6:10What can people learn
from this new musical experience? -
6:10 - 6:13First thing we found was that memory
increases with repetition. -
6:13 - 6:16Turns out, also, that preference
increases with repetition. -
6:16 - 6:19So what we're seeing is the beginning
of musical taste, right? -
6:19 - 6:22The more you listen to something,
the more you begin to like it. -
6:22 - 6:24But I'm interested in how learning occurs.
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6:24 - 6:27It turns out that learning
does not occur with repetition -
6:27 - 6:28but with variability.
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6:28 - 6:31In other words, the more ways
you tell people something, -
6:31 - 6:32the more people are able to infer
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6:32 - 6:34the underlying structure
of what you tell them -
6:34 - 6:38and then to generalize those
to new instances of the same grammar. -
6:39 - 6:40Our question becomes, now,
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6:40 - 6:43We've got 100 trillion
neural connections to the brain; -
6:43 - 6:46how did those 100 trillion
neural connections -
6:46 - 6:48give rise to what we know
and love in music? -
6:49 - 6:53Right now, these neural connections
are in the order of nanometers, -
6:53 - 6:56but what we can image
using the living human brain, -
6:56 - 7:00using this technology called
"diffusion tensor imaging," -
7:00 - 7:03is large bundles
of these neural connections - -
7:03 - 7:05so highways, if you will.
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7:05 - 7:08And the highway we're most interested in
is called the arcuate fasciculus -
7:08 - 7:10and it's known
to be important in language. -
7:10 - 7:13But what we saw is the larger
of an arcuate fasciculus you have, -
7:13 - 7:16the better you are at learning
this new musical system. -
7:16 - 7:18So there's something
structurally different -
7:18 - 7:20about a good and a not-so-good
learner's brain. -
7:20 - 7:22But what's important
is that these pathways -
7:22 - 7:25that are previously known
to be important in language -
7:25 - 7:27are actually important in music as well.
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7:27 - 7:29So this tells us that there
is no single center for music -
7:29 - 7:32or there's no one center
for music in the brain. -
7:32 - 7:35But what we do have
are these shared neural networks -
7:35 - 7:38that are important in language
and in grammar and in expectation -
7:38 - 7:40and all these things
that actually make us human. -
7:40 - 7:41So I think music -
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7:41 - 7:43that's actually why people like music.
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7:43 - 7:46It's not because it's this individualized
stereotyped activity, -
7:46 - 7:50but it's something that tickles
all the different cognitive components -
7:50 - 7:53and neural mechanisms
that we already have. -
7:53 - 7:54Now, that sounds good,
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7:54 - 7:58but can we actually observe the brain
as it is learning in real time? -
7:58 - 8:03So we go back to the millisecond-accuracy
kind of brain-potential recording, -
8:03 - 8:06and it turns out that our brains
respond to new music -
8:06 - 8:09in very much the same way
as it does to Western music. -
8:09 - 8:11So we get the same
expected-unexpected pattern -
8:11 - 8:14200 milliseconds and 500 milliseconds
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8:14 - 8:17after the onset of anything
that sounds unexpected. -
8:17 - 8:22And furthermore, our brains respond
more and more towards these expectations -
8:22 - 8:24throughout the course of an hour,
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8:24 - 8:27so as if within an hour,
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8:27 - 8:31we're getting more and more experts
in the Bohlen-Pierce scale. -
8:31 - 8:34So there's no rules of music
that are written in our brains, -
8:34 - 8:39but what we do have that are in our brains
is the immense ability to learn. -
8:39 - 8:41So we are fundamentally
open-minded creatures. -
8:41 - 8:44So what does that mean
if we want to go back to West Africa? -
8:44 - 8:47I invite you to take off your headphones
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8:47 - 8:50and actually experience
the new musical world. -
8:50 - 8:54Try to come up with the grammar
of this seemingly foreign country. -
8:54 - 8:56You know, so, and what about
even just being here today? -
8:56 - 9:01How about change your radio channel
or listen to a new musical artist today? -
9:01 - 9:04There's something
about experiencing new things -
9:04 - 9:06that, to me, is what it means to thrive
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9:06 - 9:10because to thrive is to maximize
our potentials as human beings, right? -
9:10 - 9:13It's not to do the same thing
over and over every day, -
9:13 - 9:15but it's to seek out new experiences,
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9:15 - 9:16and what I've shown you today
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9:16 - 9:20is that the brain is fundamentally capable
of learning new things. -
9:20 - 9:22We can take - even within an hour,
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9:22 - 9:25we can have this flexible,
adaptive ability -
9:25 - 9:27to make sense of new sounds.
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9:27 - 9:30So I invite you to listen to new sounds,
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9:30 - 9:31see new sights
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9:31 - 9:35and come up with the grammar
of the world that's around us -
9:35 - 9:36so that we can learn to love it.
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9:36 - 9:38Thank you very much.
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9:38 - 9:39(Applause)
- Title:
- How our brains learn to like music | Psyche Loui |TEDxCambridge
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Violinist and neuroscientist Psyche Loui discovers our brain's remarkable ability to learn to like new things. As an example, she talks about music that sounds alien to our brain.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx.
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