Building medical robots, bacteria-sized |Bradley Nelson |TEDxZurich
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0:18 - 0:21I want to tell you today about three areas
of science and engineering -
0:21 - 0:24that I think are converging
in very interesting ways. -
0:25 - 0:27I'm a mechanical engineer.
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0:27 - 0:29I've been working in robotics
for over 25 years. -
0:29 - 0:32I've been in micro/nanotechnologies
for over 15 years. -
0:32 - 0:35And over the past decade,
since I've been here in Zurich, -
0:35 - 0:38I've been working more closely
with biologists and with medical doctors, -
0:38 - 0:40and I think that the technologies
we're working on -
0:40 - 0:44and our vision of the future
has some very interesting implications. -
0:44 - 0:45But instead of telling you about it,
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0:45 - 0:48what I want to show you
is a clip from a Hollywood film -
0:48 - 0:51that actually happens
to be almost as old as I am, so ... -
1:04 - 1:05(Video) Man: All stations, stand by.
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1:05 - 1:08(On stage) (Laughter)
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1:08 - 1:10(Video) Man: Right. Inject.
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1:25 - 1:27(On stage) "Fantastic Voyage,"
it's a classic. -
1:27 - 1:28I love this movie.
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1:29 - 1:32Hollywood has two advantages
when they make movies, versus an engineer. -
1:32 - 1:34They don't have to worry about physics.
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1:34 - 1:36They don't have actually
have to make the things. -
1:36 - 1:37What I want to show you now
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1:37 - 1:40is an animation actually made for us
by the Discovery Channel. -
1:40 - 1:43They visited my lab
about a year and a half ago. -
1:43 - 1:45We appeared on one of their shows,
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1:45 - 1:48and they put together this concept
of where we're heading. -
1:48 - 1:50And what we've been working on
for several years now -
1:50 - 1:54have been little, what we call microrobots
that we inject into your eye - -
1:54 - 1:56we haven't done it on a human yet,
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1:56 - 1:59but we inject it into your eye -
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1:59 - 2:02and we use magnetic fields
to guide that device back to the retina -
2:02 - 2:06to perform certain retinal therapies,
for instance delivering drugs. -
2:06 - 2:07You saw there, over the patient,
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2:07 - 2:11the sequence of electromagnetic
coils that we use. -
2:11 - 2:13This is in a real pig's eye
that you're seeing right here. -
2:13 - 2:16This pig's eye came from the butcher
earlier that morning, -
2:16 - 2:20so we didn't harm any animals
ourselves in making this, but - -
2:20 - 2:21(Laughter)
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2:21 - 2:24What you see is that we're able
to very precisely control that device. -
2:24 - 2:27That device is about 0.5 mm in size,
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2:27 - 2:30about a millimeter long,
to give you an idea of scale. -
2:30 - 2:32And in this next slide,
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2:32 - 2:36you'll see on the left is a system
of electromagnetic coils we use. -
2:36 - 2:39We do in vivo animal trials with these.
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2:39 - 2:40There are eight of these coils,
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2:40 - 2:41we call it the OctoMag,
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2:41 - 2:44and we control the current
in each one of those very precisely -
2:44 - 2:46to guide this device
through the ocular cavity -
2:46 - 2:47back to the retina.
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2:47 - 2:51You'll see one of our most recent devices
on the fingertip there. -
2:51 - 2:53That particular, we call it a microrobot;
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2:53 - 2:58it's about 1/3 mm in diameter,
330 microns in diameter. -
2:58 - 3:00And our design specs -
-
3:00 - 3:02the reason we want it to be so thin -
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3:02 - 3:04it's about 1.8 mm long -
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3:04 - 3:07is that we want it to fit
inside of a 23-gauge needle. -
3:07 - 3:10If it fits inside of a 23-gauge needle
and we inject it into your eye, -
3:10 - 3:14as we remove that, that puncture wound
doesn't need a suture. -
3:14 - 3:16It's relatively non-invasive.
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3:16 - 3:19You just put a little topical
anesthetic, and it's done. -
3:19 - 3:23All the time to inject drugs to treat
age-related macular degeneration - -
3:23 - 3:25that needle, not the microrobots,
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3:25 - 3:26I should say.
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3:26 - 3:29But that robot that I just showed you,
that you see there on the fingertip, -
3:29 - 3:31is the biggest robot we make.
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3:31 - 3:35My goal is to make robots that are
about 1000 times smaller than that, -
3:35 - 3:38something the size, for instance,
of these E. coli bacteria. -
3:38 - 3:42These little rod-shaped bacteria
are about a micron or two long. -
3:42 - 3:45That is about 1/100
of the width of a hair. -
3:45 - 3:48See those little tails coming off of them?
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3:48 - 3:50We'll get to that later, okay?
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3:50 - 3:52But before we start talking
about bacteria, -
3:52 - 3:56I want to talk a little bit about physics
and what these constraints put on us, -
3:56 - 3:58so we're going to do
a simple thought experiment here. -
3:58 - 4:00Let's take a cube, okay?
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4:00 - 4:02It's a meter on the side.
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4:02 - 4:04And I don't need my calculator
to do this calculation. -
4:04 - 4:07A meter by a meter by a meter
is a cubic meter, right? -
4:07 - 4:11But if I take that cube
and I shrink it to 10 cm - -
4:11 - 4:12I shrink it by a factor of 10 -
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4:12 - 4:14that calculation changes
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4:14 - 4:16because I'm taking a length
by a length by a length, -
4:16 - 4:20and all of a sudden, it's become
1/1000th of its original volume, -
4:20 - 4:23and so properties that depend on volume -
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4:23 - 4:24for instance, mass -
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4:24 - 4:26also go down by a factor of 1000.
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4:26 - 4:29Now, if I go down another
100 times, to a centimeter, -
4:29 - 4:31it's gone down, now, by a million times.
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4:31 - 4:32And so volume -
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4:32 - 4:35as I said, the weight of it
goes down by a million times, -
4:35 - 4:40but also those magnetic forces
we generate on it are also going down -
4:40 - 4:42because they scale also
with the mass of the object. -
4:43 - 4:47So you might say, "But since
it weighs less, what's the problem?" -
4:47 - 4:50But now, let's think
about the surface area of that cube. -
4:50 - 4:53It's got six sides,
each side is a square meter. -
4:53 - 4:56It's got six square meters on that cube.
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4:56 - 4:58Over the volume of one, ratio of six.
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4:58 - 5:01But as I go down, that area
is only a length by a length, -
5:01 - 5:05and so as I go down each order
of magnitude by a factor of 10, -
5:05 - 5:08the importance of surface area
goes up by a factor of 10. -
5:08 - 5:10And that causes problems, okay?
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5:10 - 5:11I can't make robots
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5:11 - 5:15and guide them with magnetic fields
the way I showed you in the eye - -
5:15 - 5:17I can't make them any smaller than I have.
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5:17 - 5:20So what are some of the implications?
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5:20 - 5:22Well, think about a fish
and how a fish swims. -
5:22 - 5:25A fish moves its tail back and forth
in a reciprocal motion. -
5:25 - 5:30It's pushing the mass of fluid back
and moving itself forward. -
5:30 - 5:33It knows Newton's first law, okay?
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5:33 - 5:35And so, Geoffrey Taylor,
professor at Cambridge, -
5:35 - 5:38thought about this and published
some very important papers in the 1950s, -
5:38 - 5:42and he made a little mechanical fish
just to show how it would work in water, -
5:42 - 5:44and it swims just the way
you'd think it would. -
5:44 - 5:45But if I took that fish
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5:45 - 5:48or I took you, and I made you
1,000 or 10,000 times smaller, -
5:48 - 5:51and I put you in water,
all of sudden, that water would feel - -
5:51 - 5:53even though it has the same viscocity,
-
5:53 - 5:55the surface effects
or the drag of that water -
5:55 - 5:57would be much, much stronger on you.
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5:57 - 5:59And so what Geoffrey Taylor did -
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5:59 - 6:01this is a video he made in the 1960s -
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6:01 - 6:04is he got a vat of something very thick.
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6:04 - 6:07I think if you're from the UK,
you know Lyle's Golden Syrup, -
6:07 - 6:10and I think that's what
he must have used if you look at it. -
6:10 - 6:12So, he took his robot -
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6:12 - 6:14it's a little mechanical fish -
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6:14 - 6:17put it in there,
and it doesn't go anywhere -
6:17 - 6:19because the fluid drag is so strong
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6:19 - 6:22and the mass that's pushing back
is so much less than that -
6:22 - 6:23that it doesn't move.
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6:23 - 6:25And that's the problem
as we go down in scale, -
6:25 - 6:30is that we have to rethink
the way things swim -
6:30 - 6:31and the way things move.
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6:32 - 6:35Well, if you're an engineer
and you don't know how to solve a problem, -
6:35 - 6:36what do you do?
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6:36 - 6:39You look at nature and think,
"How did nature solve this problem?" -
6:39 - 6:43Nature solved this problem
millions, billions of years ago. -
6:43 - 6:45We know there's paramecia.
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6:45 - 6:47You see the spermatozoa
there on the right? -
6:47 - 6:49And they have these special
little hairs on them, these cilia, -
6:49 - 6:52these flagella
for the sperm, we call them, -
6:52 - 6:54that move in very interesting ways.
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6:54 - 6:58Now, nobody knew before 1675
that these things even existed. -
6:58 - 7:02Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, in Holland,
was looking in his microscope, -
7:02 - 7:03and he was astounded
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7:03 - 7:06to see a world of tens of thousands
of little microorganisms swimming, -
7:06 - 7:09and he wrote a letter
to the Royal Society the next year. -
7:09 - 7:10They verified his results.
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7:10 - 7:12People were astounded, what was going on.
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7:12 - 7:16And what van Leeuwenhoek
saw in his microscope -
7:16 - 7:20was the first time
anybody had ever seen bacteria. -
7:21 - 7:25This is a graphic
of one of the rod-shaped ones. -
7:25 - 7:27It's about a micron or two long.
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7:28 - 7:30And as you look at these
under a microscope - -
7:30 - 7:32you saw the one I showed of the E.coli -
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7:32 - 7:34you'll notice it has
a little flagella on it. -
7:34 - 7:36And as you look at it under a microscope,
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7:36 - 7:40what you see is this flagella
seems to be wiggling back and forth, -
7:40 - 7:42but if you were able to look at it
from another direction, -
7:42 - 7:46you realize it's not wiggling
back and forth; it's actually rotating. -
7:46 - 7:47And Howard Berg,
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7:47 - 7:52when he was at University of Colorado
in the early 1970s, discovered this, -
7:52 - 7:54and what he discovered was astounding:
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7:54 - 7:56nature has invented a rotary motor.
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7:56 - 7:57Think about it.
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7:57 - 8:00Where else in nature
is there a rotary motor? -
8:00 - 8:06And Howard has been to our lab
and given us some advice on what to do. -
8:06 - 8:09He calls these things
nature's microrobots, okay? -
8:09 - 8:14So the body of the bacteria
has sensors on it, chemoreceptors. -
8:14 - 8:17Those chemoreceptors communicate
with the motor in the back of it, -
8:17 - 8:18to drive it.
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8:18 - 8:20That also has software in there.
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8:20 - 8:22The software is the chunks
of DNA floating around. -
8:22 - 8:24They're just telling it
what parts to make -
8:24 - 8:28to keep building the sensors it needs,
the motors it needs, and all that. -
8:28 - 8:30And the motor is a fascinating structure.
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8:30 - 8:34Since Howard discovered
these bacterial motors in 1973 - -
8:34 - 8:38which, by the way some people believe
is evidence of an intelligent designer, -
8:38 - 8:41but I don't think
most biologists believe that. -
8:44 - 8:48These motors are made
from about 30 to 40 proteins. -
8:48 - 8:51They assemble into this structure
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8:51 - 8:54that spins up to
160 revolutions per second. -
8:54 - 8:57And you see on the right here,
a video from Howard's lab -
8:57 - 9:01of fluorescent bacteria
swimming at these speeds. -
9:01 - 9:03Remember that the size of these
is a micron or two. -
9:05 - 9:07So we looked at this,
and we were thinking, -
9:07 - 9:09"What can we learn from this?
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9:09 - 9:10How can we take advantage of this?"
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9:10 - 9:15So we leveraged some
of our nanotechnology experience -
9:15 - 9:19to build something we called
an artificial bacterial flagella. -
9:19 - 9:20Now, I can't make that motor yet.
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9:20 - 9:23That motor's about
45 nanometers in diameter. -
9:23 - 9:24But what I can make is the flagella
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9:24 - 9:27of a similar size and shape
that a bacteria has. -
9:27 - 9:31And on the front of it there on the left,
you'll see what looks like a head, -
9:31 - 9:33and what that is is actually
a little piece of magnet, -
9:33 - 9:35and what I can do with that magnet
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9:35 - 9:39is I can generate a torque on it
with a magnetic field, -
9:39 - 9:40and as I rotate that field -
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9:40 - 9:42and these are very, very low fields;
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9:42 - 9:44they're about 1000 times
less than an MRI field - -
9:44 - 9:46they start to get it to twist,
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9:46 - 9:48and as it twists,
it propels itself forward, -
9:48 - 9:50just like E. coli do.
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9:50 - 9:53To give you an idea of the scale
we're talking about, -
9:53 - 9:55here's a scanning electron
micrograph of a human hair; -
9:55 - 9:58it's about 100 microns or so in diameter.
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9:58 - 10:00There is the size of our smallest ABFs.
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10:00 - 10:03They're about 10 microns,
these particular ones. -
10:03 - 10:06And this is the size
of a red blood cell, okay? -
10:06 - 10:07So we're about double.
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10:07 - 10:10Our smallest ones are
about twice the size of a red blood cell. -
10:10 - 10:13And here are three of them swimming
together in a sort of swarm behavior. -
10:13 - 10:15To me, they look alive.
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10:15 - 10:17I get excited when we do this, you know?
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10:17 - 10:18(Laughter)
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10:18 - 10:19That's why I do robotics.
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10:19 - 10:22There's nothing more fun than building
a machine and watching it move. -
10:22 - 10:25Now, you'll notice
these will start to go backwards. -
10:25 - 10:27I didn't reverse the video;
I just reversed the field. -
10:27 - 10:31There's some really interesting
fluid dynamics to be explored here, -
10:31 - 10:32and that's pretty interesting.
-
10:32 - 10:35One exciting thing for us this year
was when we were in the bookstore, -
10:35 - 10:38we picked up a copy of
the 2012 Guinness Book of World Records -
10:38 - 10:41and discovered that we were
in the Guinness Book of World Records -
10:41 - 10:43for the smallest medical robot.
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10:43 - 10:44(Audience) Whoo!
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10:44 - 10:47Bradley Nelson: Being in the
Guinness Book of World Records is great, -
10:47 - 10:49but what I'm really gunning for is,
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10:49 - 10:51I want to win a medal
in the next Olympics, -
10:51 - 10:53and so we're developing
synchronized swimmers. -
10:53 - 10:54(Laughter)
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10:55 - 10:56These are interesting -
-
10:56 - 10:58What's particularly interesting
about these guys -
10:58 - 11:00is that they're made out of a polymer.
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11:00 - 11:02They're noncytotoxic.
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11:02 - 11:03They don't kill cells;
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11:03 - 11:04in fact, cells like to grow on them.
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11:04 - 11:06And we've developed a new technology
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11:06 - 11:09that allows us to make
some fairly arbitrary shapes here. -
11:09 - 11:11So in this next little video
I want to show you -
11:11 - 11:13is one of our devices.
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11:13 - 11:14We put a claw on it,
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11:14 - 11:18and so what it can do is go around
and grab these little - -
11:18 - 11:19these are 6-micron diameter beads,
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11:19 - 11:22so they're about the size
of that red blood cell - -
11:22 - 11:25grab those, move them up in 3D,
move them up and down, -
11:25 - 11:29and then eventually release them
using these fluidic forces. -
11:33 - 11:37We've also been thinking about other,
more serious applications as well. -
11:37 - 11:38Here's one of our devices.
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11:38 - 11:41We coated it with
a fluorescent molecule called calcein. -
11:41 - 11:45This molecule, you're looking at it
in a fluorescent microscope there. -
11:46 - 11:48This molecule, actually,
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11:48 - 11:51is the same molecular weight
as a lot of chemotherapy drugs. -
11:51 - 11:58And on the left, you'll see
some red cells that are stained red. -
11:58 - 12:02We discovered as we moved this bacteria
near those cells and touched them with it, -
12:02 - 12:05the calcein actually
gets taken up by the cells. -
12:05 - 12:10So this allows us, now, to potentially
deliver drugs into individual cells -
12:10 - 12:12and target individual cells
with this kind of technology. -
12:12 - 12:14The other thing that's cool -
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12:14 - 12:17I've only shown you a few,
but we can make armies of these. -
12:17 - 12:18We can make them by the thousands.
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12:18 - 12:20We can make about one a second.
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12:20 - 12:22We make tens of thousands,
put them in suspension. -
12:22 - 12:25So I think there's some interesting
possibilities here -
12:25 - 12:28for the future of where this can go.
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12:29 - 12:31So let's go back to the bacterial motor.
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12:31 - 12:34This is a video from
Keiichi Namba's lab at Osaka University. -
12:34 - 12:36He and his group have spent years
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12:36 - 12:38trying to understand
the exact sequence of proteins, -
12:38 - 12:40how they assemble into this rotary motor.
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12:40 - 12:43And while I'm not at the point
where I can develop the motor, -
12:43 - 12:46I can develop some of these
parts of this device, -
12:46 - 12:49and so what we're hoping as we move into
the future and keep going in this area, -
12:49 - 12:52we'll learn more and more from nature
at these molecular scales -
12:52 - 12:55and be able to build machines
that operate in similar ways -
12:55 - 12:56and under similar principles.
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12:57 - 13:00I've been very fortunate
to work with some brilliant scientists, -
13:00 - 13:02brilliant medical doctors,
-
13:02 - 13:04and when you're at the ETH,
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13:04 - 13:06the Swiss Federal Institute
of Technology here - -
13:06 - 13:07you know, I'm an engineer.
-
13:07 - 13:12I walk the hallways where people
like Conrad Röntgen, who invented X-rays, -
13:12 - 13:14Wolfgang Pauli or Albert Einstein were.
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13:14 - 13:16It's a humbling experience.
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13:16 - 13:20So I take a little bit of comfort
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13:20 - 13:23in a quote from a famous
aeronautical engineer from Caltech, -
13:23 - 13:25Theodore von Karman,
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13:25 - 13:27and von Karman said,
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13:27 - 13:31"The scientist describes what is;
the engineer creates what never was." -
13:31 - 13:32(Laughter)
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13:32 - 13:33Okay. So.
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13:34 - 13:36I want to leave you
with one last thought here. -
13:36 - 13:39This is from Richard Feynman,
the famous physicist from Caltech, -
13:39 - 13:42who said, "What I cannot make,
I do not understand." -
13:42 - 13:43(Laughter)
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13:43 - 13:44Okay. So thank you very much.
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13:44 - 13:45(Applause)
- Title:
- Building medical robots, bacteria-sized |Bradley Nelson |TEDxZurich
- Description:
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We learned of the existence of bacteria over 300 years ago, and we have far more of them in our bodies than human cells, but it was less than 40 years ago when we first realized how they swim. With the discovery of the rotary motor of E. coli in 1973, a motor just 45 nanometers in diameter, some claimed this incredible mechanism as evidence of God, though it is really just a step along the path of evolution. Now we can actually build nanorobots that swim similar to bacteria like E. coli. We're working to use these to deliver drugs to specific locations in the body. E. coli itself is a kind of robot: it has sensors (chemoreceptors), motors, communication along protein guided pathways, and software (DNA). When we look at a bacterium from this perspective, it seems like a machine, even one that hopefully we will be able to duplicate someday. So if bacteria are really just machines, then what are we?
Brad Nelson is the Professor of Robotics and Intelligent Systems at ETH Zürich where his primary research focus is on microrobotics and nanorobotics with an emphasis on applications in biology and medicine. He studied mechanical engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the University of Minnesota and robotics at Carnegie Mellon University. He has worked at Honeywell and Motorola and served as a United States Peace Corps Volunteer in Botswana, Africa. He was a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the University of Minnesota before joining ETH in 2002.
Prof. Nelson was named to the 2005 "Scientific American 50," Scientific American magazine's annual list recognizing 50 outstanding acts of leadership in science and technology from the past year, for his efforts in nanotube manufacturing. His lab won the 2007 and 2009 RoboCup Nanogram Competition--both times the event has been held--in which micrometer-size robots competed in soccer. His lab appears in the 2012 Guinness Book of World Records for the "Most Advanced Mini Robot for Medical Use." He serves on the editorial boards of several journals, has chaired several international workshops and conferences, has served as the head of the ETH Department of Mechanical and Process Engineering, as the Chairman of the ETH Electron Microscopy Center (EMEZ), and is a member of the Research Council of the Swiss National Science Foundation.This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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