5-16-19 Plan & Zoning Commission

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welcome to the Planning and Zoning

Commission meeting tonight I'm gonna

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we believe we have a quorum approval of

the minutes from the last meeting I will

move approval of the May second 2019

minutes second okay all in favor raise

your right hand please

abstention all right nothing

I should set any corrections but okay

all right all in favor okay here we go

I'm the item passed okay we're gonna

turn our attention right now to the

consent items we have three on the

consent agenda number one request from

Linda Casas and Richard Anderson

8:27 Skye Avenue for vacation of the

north-south alley between southeast 8th

Street and South East 9th Street from

Scott Avenue to the vacated east/west

alley

it's your anyone in the audience who

wishes to pull this item want to hear

this item anyone on the Commission

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number two request from Roosevelt

cultural district represented by Susan

Nolan for vacation of a four point four

four foot by three point three eight

foot rectangle of the 42nd Street and

Chamberlain Avenue right away adjoining

the property of 840 second Street to

allow the existing masonry pillar to

carry private signage in the form of a

plaque for the rows of a cultural

district anyone here wish to hear that

item anyone on the Commission number

three request from Galway homes

represented by Jim Potts MA for review

and approval of a preliminary plat for

via 335 on property located at 335

Forest Avenue to divide the existing 2.6

acre property into 24 Lots for row

townhomes and a common outlet anyone in

the audience wish to hear this item yes

okay so we'll pull that from the consent

any other items that could be possibly

moved to consent madam madam chair

uh-huh so right now staff we have item

for item five item seven an item eight

are in agreement with the staff

recommendation okay so I'll read those

right now

number four requests from HRC and ffs

represented by Chris Cazadores for

review and approval of the development

plan fusion east within the grade

station PUD for property located at 1170

Tuttle Street to allow development of a

three-story eighteen unit row multiple

family dwelling complex anyone in the

audience wish to hear that item anyone

on the commission okay we need to move

that to consent or do i do just move to

the consent can I do that thank you

number five requests from HRC and FS

represented again by Chris odorous for

review and approval of the development

plan Fusion West within the grade

station PUD for property located at 1240

Tuttle to allow development of a

three-story 27 unit row multiple family

dwelling complex anyone in the audience

wish to hear that item anyone on the

commission okay we'll move that to

consent number seven requests from

archway development group represented by

Michael Donnellan for review and

approval of a site plan bartenders

handshake under design guidelines in NPC

districts for property located at 36:19

Ingersoll Avenue to allow for renovation

of a 936 square foot commercial tenant

BAE anyone in the audience wish to hear

that item anyone on the commission okay

we'll move that to consent on number

eight request from dark or represented

by Joseph Cordero for review and

approval of the following for the

property at 1723 grand avenue a is

vacation of the service surface and

subsurface of these four feet of 18th

street and a north four feet of Grand

Avenue adjoining the subject property to

accommodate doors puddings and B

an approval of a site plan under design

guidelines from multiple family

dwellings to allow the existing

four-story building to be renovated to

add six additional ground floor units

for a total of 45 residential household

units with the remaining portion of the

18,000 600 square foot ground floor and

basement area to be devoted for office

retail space storage laundry indoor

parking space anyone in the audience

wish to hear that item anyone on the

commission okay we'll move that to

consent up move item four five seven and

eight to the consent agenda okay second

okay Carol all in favor raise your

radium

opposed abstentions I need to abstain on

four and five okay

it's densha I born five okay Eric and

then I don't know if you want to take

the consent agenda and then there's one

item that's requested continuance on the

regular agenda if I guess it's up to the

chair if you want to okay is that

numbers of the consent agenda first and

then we can talk about the items you

knew removed items to consider no motion

for approval okay sir

oh we moved items to consent that's true

okay well okay well vote on the consent

items okay motion so rule checking go to

okay all in favor raise your right

okay any opposed

okay and I needed up stain again for

five for five okay great you got it okay

sorry Eric so items 1 2 4 5 7 & 8 have

been voted in accordance with staff

recommendation and won't be taken up

further this evening

madam chair item 9 has requested a

continuance to to the June 6th meeting

in order to they're doing some revision

to the project and they've also

submitted a request related to the

project for some subsurface vacation

rights vacation of subsurface rights so

they they would like to be on the June

6th agenda okay

I move to continue item 9 to the 206

agenda okay been moved in second all in

favor raise your 8 yeah okay Thanks

opposed abstentions okay

that will be continued so anybody this

won't be prepared here for number 9 that

will be continued yes and then we'll

there won't be any notice so if you were

here this evening for that item it'll be

taken up on June 6

you should three item three so we're

ready for the public hearing and we will

start with item grading request from

Galway homes represented by Jim Potts

months to review and approve of the

preliminary plot for via 3:35 on

property located 335 Forest Avenue to

divide the existing 2.6 acre property

into 24 lives four row townhomes and a

common outlet will the applicant come

forward is the applicant here folks

don't search school

report

okay he's gonna give a brief go over

quickly so this is a subdivision plat

for 24 parcels that would be for

townhome units with so basically we're

talking about lot lines in between units

of a row house with the surrounding area

commonly held as outlets that would

contain detention landscaping and things

that would be commonly maintained so

this would allow for separate ownerships

of each of the townhome units in

accordance with the PUD that was already

approved by the City Council in November

of 2016 which allowed for the row houses

they were two stories above underground

parking

basically so

staff is recommending in favor of this

subject to the compliance with some of

the administrative review comments and

then one of the things we wanted to make

sure was included was compliance with

tree mitigation because this property

does have so Eric could you rotate the

site plan so norsu yeah so this is North

I'm sorry

probably Tyler to zoom out a little bit

one

most of the area to the north is open

space there's some grading that's going

to happen at this end to flatten out the

site to the southwest this is an aerial

of the property

Sorek just to confirm council already

approved the Planned Unit development

zoning for this property correct that

allowed this density and allowed this

housing type and there's already

architecture approved for these units

this is just the platting of the Lots

for the units correct correct and then

the the development plan will get

administrative leave is the planning in

general conformance with what we're

shown earlier it is yes so it they need

to there's some things that are just I

would say typical administrative items

that we would have get corrected in

accordance with the area is there some

way that you can view out and give us a

sense for the historic district is north

on Arlington I don't know if I have

anything that that would allow me to

zoom out on that but

the historic district would be of north

of so if you can see the park here this

is Bates Park

and at the north end to that is College

Avenue so 3 another couple blocks north

of that is where the Riverbend historic

district would and then it would be

another three blocks to the west on 6th

6th Avenue so this is Bates Park that we

can see here yeah Bates Park is directly

adjoining to the north basically

okay okay thanks Eric so the applicant

the applicant here you please state your

name and your address and then you'll

want to join the Michigan is Jim pulse

Mon I live at 12:47 41st Street des

moines yeah I started this about three

years ago and it's within a couple

blocks of Mercy Hospital and Mercy

Hospital removed about 200 apartments

they had there they're gonna be

owner-occupied and i thought it would be

a great improvement to the neighborhood

I didn't realize anybody had any

objection to it until a couple minutes

ago so this is I mean like Eric said I

think this is all button approved this

is just the planning of it into us here

so okay any questions of the applicant

okay is there anyone else thank you

is there anyone else here to speak in

favor of the applicant anyone who wants

to make it express an opinion okay go

ahead and come forward say your name

address sign-in

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so my name is Risha Weber I resigned at

2909 Deepwoods court my property is

sitting on the east end of this planned

development which would be two one nine

Forest Avenue

I am the property owner or manager at

this point of that property not really

sure what I can say here so let's get

started

I appreciate Steve's comment I am all

for helping that area develop it's

obviously going to help my property what

I'm concerned about is the things that

have happened in developing to get the

property ready for Steve so when the

trees were excavated which was a very

large tree excavation my property was

damaged during that time a tree fell on

my gutter and caused damage the

excavating company gave me a hundred

bucks tapped it said it's good but since

then I've been getting puddling in the

front yard really bad puddling that I'm

concerned about they also put up a

commercial line or a commercial fence to

protect the property I have a

residential small fence and they've

hooked the fences up so now my fence is

damaged I removed it myself

and someone came back and put it up so I

had pictures my landscaping in the

backyard as they removed the trees and

they came with their cranes they came

into my property and damaged the

landscape back there as well I have

pictures it's very difficult for me to

mow on the west side of the house

because there's no real division of

property because now that the trees are

gone it's just kind of like open field

so this is kind of a request for me I

don't know how we can establish a

boundary that

makes sense because when you look at

your city plans or the plot plans they

kind of go zigzag I would before this

happens I would really like for us to

establish some kind of straight line

between my property and the new property

I'm really concerned with flooding

because it's a large hill and it's

already been happening since the trees

have been removed and then just

generally people coming in and out of my

yard because it's just such an open area

and it looks like I don't know you can

just go play in both yards I don't know

so and then the last thing I wrote down

was just constantly have to call the

city to have him mow the area because

the grass gets extremely long and it's

hard to see and you know going into that

like that from the driveway what would

be the easement I guess you want to call

it and you know probably more field-mice

than there needs to be because the it

just doesn't get mowed often enough so

it's just yeah

I don't know what else to say

questions from the Commission another

question please yes um what I'm hearing

from you is a concern about the

surroundings rather than the actual use

of the land itself as row houses they're

that correct that actually would be

correct yeah I appreciate the the what

he's planning on doing I just don't want

to be I don't want to you know be

affected negatively as far as my

property management so that he can make

it perfect you know condo itself okay

other questions I have a question of

staff when the applicant gets to the

point of bringing the final plan forward

his offense required a budding

single-family residential or what might

this lady expect to see when the

property is complete generally unless

there was parking areas that there

wouldn't have been a screen between

residential and residential so there's

definitely landscaping that was shown on

the ends of those drives I don't have a

copy of that I should have included a

copy of the conceptual plan for

reference but it's not in the file so

there it's based on what the PUD is the

fencing she's probably referring to is

what we require in the grading permit

which is supposed to define the grading

limits of the property so that they

don't grade over tree roots and things

like that I don't know about the

operational aspect of them you know

attaching it to her fencing because I

don't know that's kind of a private

matter but

I'm not sure that's a good practice

should probably be set up to stand on

its own I have a question for Sam while

you're up here she talked about flooding

and she talked about flooding and the

removal of trees is there a plan to

mitigate any of that yes so that was one

of the conditions that staff was

recommending that they comply with the

mitigation requirements which so when

they come back in with their development

plan they will need to demonstrate that

they've replaced they've replaced the

trees removed with adequate number of

plantings within their property so there

is some opportunity I guess for the

developer to work with the property

owners to determine exactly where some

of that is there was a conceptual plan

that determined conceptual landscaping

but the development plan will define

where they actually plant and they will

have to show a schedule of plantings

that would make sure that they meet the

mitigation amounts of plantings in

Eric's storm water in a storm water so

they're on this plan that they're still

there showing the storm water is

underground chambers so it may be hard

to see around this area I don't know if

the engineers here tonight but there's

storm water chambers around here

and there isn't really storm sewer in

the area so they have to detain and then

release it in a fashion which won't be

erosive given the slopes and things so

they'll have to have a way of releasing

that so that the water that comes it's

released back onto the property the

subject property doesn't leave the site

and go anywhere in a manner which would

damage other properties that'll be part

of the development plan review by our

engineering staff okay any other

questions of Eric or the up or the any

other questions okay thank you make sure

you sign in also please anyone else want

to speak in opposition are the Purple's

ok please state your name and address

please and then make sure you sign in

when you're done

oh good Thank You Lara okay thanks my

name is didn't Clark property at 14 was

sixty second place directly adjacent to

this property on the east side also in

property at 1407 I've lived in the area

for better than 30 years I've seen they

what they did to that hillside as far as

tree removal and in this projected it

was a big mistake to do that at the

beginning

now has there been any rosin but there's

been new flow of terrain what was going

one direction without the trees has

caused the entire hillside literally to

gentl its way down with those without

those trees before it was cut in and out

the trees protected the roots kept it in

place they're talking about putting in a

reserve area for flooding as far as

the drainage and

the fooling themselves a thing to put in

anything bet bigger or anything other

than a enormous underground tanks to

hold us because we get excessive amount

of water force gets flooded and worse

sit down the second happening like a

river not only that but it works is on

to second place second place what would

be orchard down between second place and

second have enough has been washed out

every other year that they've tried to

keep something there and the only reason

they keep anything there right now is

because somebody's wanted it there and

some days is no longer there so or won't

be I worry about the erosion or worry

about the density as far as population

density apparently I'm Way too late on

the zoning part I was brought up to

speed by somebody else that this is a

high density it is for our neighborhood

this is high density when you have row

houses with that small of an area with

that Park for the entire neighborhood

this is identity I know it's not an

apartment building but it's still high

density it shouldn't have been that much

you don't have too much concrete there

you're not gonna be able to accommodate

that much water and it's gonna flow down

that and where those downspouts come off

with their properties it's gonna work

down that hill I know they've got new

drainage coming in through the what

would be fourth street I believe towards

the north they've got the whole area

ripped up and they're pulling up that

when I first moved in my whole Street on

second place was ripped up and removed

so that new piping for downtown fresh

water to be put in but you know I may be

late I'm so objecting to it okay all

right this density is too much for our

neighborhood and he's talking about

either rental or sale of properties as

far as townhomes and the projected value

of two hundred forty thousand per unit

in my neighborhood even a new house

habitats don't go for more than hundred

125 and that's a good new house well

built on a good lot family meant these

single single-family high-density know

where to play in order

protect your traffic flow and you're

talking another fifty cars out on

Orchard another minute okay

another fifty cars possibly up to

because twenty four units then

everybody's got two cars you know man

whatever F not three I've got three okay

in that area for orchard and what would

be forest it doesn't show an outlet on

the forest so you talking orchard and

forth so you're talking more density

you're talking more cars parked on the

streets more traffic issues and where

were there's density there's people

hiding in the shadows okay well thank

you questions for the mr. Clark I don't

have a question I don't have a question

have you seen the latest engineering

plan for the development I did has just

shows that they'll it will erode that

much better but that hillside to that

property line they're talking pushing

those houses out that put I puts the

last row of the houses on better is on

what would be the east side of all those

Lots yeah what 13 watt 12.5 lot for is

on that hillside whatever is coming off

there will continue down that grade even

faster and will washout will talk down

there on down to the street the subsoil

in this area is potted clay which is not

really stable the holds water expands

and strength that plateau up there

literally has a down underground spring

to it that comes off of everything from

13th Street from say University to

working down into that gives all old

coal mines and there's a natural spring

on to the properties habitat properties

what would be the west side

can't see your overhead or jariabek what

is this okay

I put it here to fill the office away

okay right in here this is the property

of the lady before me that she manages I

said and the roads when she was talking

abouts right here that has gotten worse

I know that because I'm always up on

this hillside thought about buying it at

one time because I own the property here

but it's a little too much also their

outcrop of this is side by side with

that lady's property here who doesn't

speak English and probably had no idea

that this was going on because she's

lived there for years now

did you hike she's got kids and

everything else so you're taking away

what would be her driveway to that side

of her property for hangout and

basically giving somebody else the right

way to it or the restriction to it which

was a mistake for the city to begin with

when they give away what would be a

street to a non adjacent property monkey

Valley's way to the ones that are side

by side here and here that's behind I

understand that it's less zoning the

phone line runs are there but this one

wasn't automatically assumed to be hers

without question just basically because

there I was in the start okay yeah

thanks a lot for I just much better that

you'd actually seen a copy of the plan

thank you more rosin more water yeah so

I also live in that neighborhood I've

lived there for twenty years and I was I

was very excited about a new development

and I'm gonna trust my my partner's here

that know best and the staff to mitigate

the the erosions and the water and

things like that and I understand that I

was but I am excited to see that

development and but I know we have to

yeah pardon you need to sir you need to

speak into that I'm sorry usually I'm so

used to my voice caring I don't need

microphone but yes I'm very glad that I

heard that somebody was developing it

because the famous jump point

the previous property as far as the

twelve or fourteen years that was there

that was it they play a drug den or

otherwise

I'm glad that they got tore down and

somebody took interest in it it was

definitely a nuisance property that

nobody do you know good neighbors this

high-density is asking for future

problems of that neighborhood our

neighbor does not equate high-density

yeah I think we understand that so any

other questions or comments so any other

questions no okay thank you is there

anyone else who wants to speak in

opposition of the applicant state your

name and address and make sure you sign

in sorry I'm not very good at public

speaking my name is Jana Devore I live

at the property of 14:27 fourth Street

and I'm sorry Jana Len I just got

married so we live at the property right

here been there 17 years again also I

appreciate the attempt of beautifying

the neighborhood and making it better we

mainly came to get some answers I really

haven't done any of my research so I

apologize for that I'm kind of late to

the show wanted to know how the traffic

flow will go again kind of building on

what he said living on that corner there

there's an that orchard is really just

an alley it's not a street and with all

the traffic in the neighborhood because

of the you know Park and everything I

also I'm concerned of a lot of traffic

going up and down that alleyway people

come flying through there already the

way it is kind of a dangerous

neighborhood and area for kids play out

on the streets because there's not

appropriate play areas for more ready

and again you know adding 24 units of

more kids and stuff and the neighborhood

is concerning that it may not be safe

I also have going on her complaints

about the the wildlife and trees have a

lot of the last five to ten years

battling poison ivy and weeds coming up

over that area just non-stop trying to

battle that so I'm hoping that will be

addressed with the building of it and

been maintenance of that it's a big

issue and it's also been connected to my

fence coming from that way with no

access to getting back in there if you

know my dogs get go chase animals that

go back there but our main main concern

again was the traffic flow if I didn't

get a chance to see where if the

traffic's supposed to be coming in from

the north the southeast whatever but

parking is a nightmare in that area

period also what what it'll do to our

property values taxes things like that I

just gotta just like some answers not

necessarily opposing it okay thank you

questions okay thank you

and anyone else want to speak in

opposition of the applicant yes oh

state your name and address please

yeah well my name is Kim Thomas and I am

kind of surprised I got a Oh this is the

packet that I got September of 14th of

2016 for the first meeting about this

this property in this thing and I got

this big flat sheet and all that kind of

stuff with the two anyway I came for

that meeting and was told that it had

been postponed and then I would be made

aware of a new time I had heard nothing

about this until just the letter that I

just got for coming to the meeting

tonight so I've kept this I have the

original all that kind of stuff and Mike

at the time that I that I came to that

meeting I did at least leave a sheet

with my name and everything on it and my

opposition was quote for the increased

traffic to the facility orchard Avenue

which is a single lane street cannot

handle it basically 24 units 50 plus

people unless they were going to do

something with the street orchard and

that it's I didn't see this plan I have

not seen this at all so there I am come

to the meeting because I was opposed to

it because of this I sure like to see

some development

I should explain what I have I what

would your address again sir my address

is of the properties I'm a landlord I've

had full three rental properties for

rental properties sold 114 35 37 and 39

4th Street so they share the alley of

orchard there are the three houses I

mean this doesn't know it does okay yeah

I have these three houses right here one

two and three

for the 40 years I've had houses because

parking is such a problem

I've designed in the back of my

property's parking to stall parking for

my tenants that I've had and it's

because you can't park in place so

that's my big opposition for having this

at all this Orchard Avenue it's like

they've just stated it's just a one lane

basically straight and I don't know

where the all the extra you know

high-density is exactly what I'm afraid

of with having that and I am not

prepared you know to go through other

than I was opposed I stated that this is

the first time I've heard of anything I

saved all this I mean I those properties

are something that I've had for 40 years

you guys and and I'm I'm very surprised

that I don't know that it was even

passed I think I've talked to you once

on the phone I gave you my name I even

have them our conversation and what we

talked about is your gym right yeah yes

you and I did talk to the phone we never

met or anything like that - okay sir all

right yes I'm sorry

not good at public speaking either but

it's okay thank you did you want to say

anything else sir

well you've got my point that we don't

know anything about that this had even

been approved or anything like that

I was never notified for that and now

here it is that we have this so okay

where do you get a copy of this

I well years here that you're the person

okay do we have questions questions of

mr. Thomas

I have question for the right this is

before the applicant or staff just to

address this parking issue I am just

making an assumption that the townhomes

come with a garage a two-car garage can

you just clarify or confirm

we done didn't I say up questions of you

yeah yeah print is if you put your email

there I'll email us yes so this this was

approved with the with the PUD

conceptual plan so each of these would

have a double garage underneath with two

stories above the there would be a

through private drive that would go

between orchard and forest so that isn't

really showing up because all you're

seeing here is the lot lines and so

you're not the other thing is that

there's private access to the backs of

these units with center courts so the

movements face each other on the center

court you don't see that on a platter so

Eric just to confirm there's a two-car

garage for each unit it actually has a

parking drive out in front of the unit

to access the garage and then if I

recall this beauty there was on sir

if you call it on street parking it's

the private drive in the development had

parking lining the the private drive

that would look like a public street it

would have landscaping on it street

trees and it has a sidewalk that runs

the full north-south length of the of

the property so it's a private drive

within the development but it looks like

a public street and functions like a

public street that has parking along it

for for guests and then each each unit

in itself has a to you to space

availability

okay and and just for the commissioners

awareness so when we sent out notices on

Platts and site plans that instructs

individuals with questions to come and

view the plan or ask calls call in and

we can send it to them by email so

because it's not an easy thing to mail

in in the notification so we didn't get

any enquiries until this evening on that

so so Eric do you hear do you see any

issues with traffic because I know

traffic requires Beauty stage so that

would have been in a trap the traffic

analysis would have been made at the

time of the Planned Unit development

review right and this was approved

satisfying the traffic any traffic

requirements 24 dwelling units you know

while it will change what's happening

there now doesn't really drive any

concerns with the capacity of the Strout

surrounding street network doesn't do

anything that would promote congestion

really with that number of units again

they're gonna notice some change to

what's there now but and the fact that

they have the outlet to forest I would

imagine most trips will want to go to

forest and not choose to go on to

Orchard because it's not as it's a semi

improved street so it yeah it is it is a

single lane street so okay that's not to

say nobody will right but but it'll have

two outlets a traffic was comfortable

with yeah so traffic traffic traffic and

transportation you know made comments at

that time I think some of this layout

was revised based on the need to make

sure we have a through connection as

well so thank you okay any other

questions does the applicant want to do

you want to respond to anything that

you've heard

like yeah like I said I didn't know

there's any objections to this I know we

had way back when we had a neighborhood

meeting who before essentially anything

was done and I thought the last

gentleman's wife was at it I'm not sure

but I remember her talking about some

houses that were for rent on the 4th on

4th Street there but and I agree with

Eric I think 90% of the traffic is going

to go on Forest Orchard essentially

doesn't go anyplace so but anyway I just

ask you to approve the planting like the

rest of this stuff has been approved a

long time ago already so if anybody has

any problems in the neighborhood of glad

to give me my name and number you can

call me any time so no problem ok thank

you

would you do that for I'm thinking for

the woman that had come here on partner

I say would you do that specifically for

the woman who came here yeah and had a

question about the the fencing and so

forth

yeah I'll take a look at it quite quite

frankly I think between your property

and my property there's a 3-foot piece

of property that's owned by somebody I

don't know who but then I think it has

some lady's name on it but if you don't

want that attached to your fans I'll

make sure it gets detached from its own

and they never fix your gutter either

oh can I talk to relate yeah I would

yeah okay thank you thank you very much

um

anyone else in opposition well okay we

decide that all right so I'm gonna close

the public hearing any okay any seconds

sure our discussion oh okay

all in favor of staff raise your hand

a post abstain okay thank you

it was approved and the items approved

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now we're going to item six I'll read it

Eric you wouldn't put it up there okay

item six 400 400 South East 6th Street

represented by Jake Christensen for

review and approval of a site plan

amendment Truman's Casey Pizza Tavern

under design guidelines and c3b

districts for property located at 400

and 410 South East 6th Street to allow

for 1344 square foot patio to the south

of the building at 400 South East 6th

Street and off street parking

ok Eric yes so quickly since the last

time the Commission saw this and

continued the item it was it included

the entire block area of the of the site

it has now been reduced to just the

eastern portion which is the c3b

portion and they are treating it as two

separate site plans now so what's in

front of you is the eastern part of the

block

which includes the parking that you see

here in the patio area they are they are

requesting a they did provide a design

that shows them complying with the

elements of our downtown overlay and

Street scapes however they do indicate

that they wanted deferral of that

improvement for the time being they

didn't give a definite amount of time

for that deferral in addition they are

also asking that they not be required to

underground their service line for their

building as part of this so staff both

of those are contrary to what staff is

recommending in the staff recommendation

other than that we would just say

compliance with other administrative

review I don't know if there's I don't

want to I'm trying to be a little more

brief if I can if there's questions

about something you're not sure about

definitely ask so so staff is

recommending approval of this but we

we're not we're not wanting to we want

the improvements for the sidewalks and

the the service lines under grounded

with the immediate project so

questions of Eirik right now well the

app is the applicant here okay

please state your name and address and

then sign it when you're done please the

ng found ku Christensen development 215

East third suite 300 Des Moines I'm here

for you guys so just a little bit of

history on why we split the plats we got

ourselves into a really big detention

cost when we tried to increase the

parking by putting the two Lots together

so this this doing it this way allows us

to still get parking for our tenant but

not do the detention until we actually

make this an apartment building which is

probably ten years down the road so what

we're looking at our main concern is the

under grounding of utilities you guys

saw me like a month ago about the same

issue so you will see running down

raccoon

all of the utility poles are actually on

the opposite side of the street we just

have one coming into our truman's space

and so the cost underground is about ten

to twelve thousand dollars depending and

it only remove that length across the

raccoon so it doesn't do much for sight

lines or views or anything like that

there are no other under grounded

utilities long raccoon our other concern

with raccoon is depending on who you

talk to in the city and what plan you

look at we're still unsure if raccoons a

through Street at the end of the day or

if it's closed so I don't want to put in

class a sidewalks for something that

isn't going to be a street which that I

believe depends on aj allen and what

plans follow what plans come through and

what don't so I'm not opposed to doing

the landscaping along and along South

East sixth because you actually have

that with PDM and Nelson's project we'll

have that in twg so that makes sense to

me it's the raccoon piece that does not

make sense to us

they question questions Kenji

I'm not following your thinking

regarding whether or not raku will

continue to go through is the discussion

about vacation or in the market district

plan in one of the plans yes depends on

which department in the city I'm talking

to so I don't think that's been sorted

through yet unless it has I'm a dragon I

did decide to keep raccoon because

there's gonna be storm water Oh consult

is running down that Street still so at

least that's my understanding of the

drafted that plan has not been the final

draft of it hasn't been prepared and it

still needs to come to the Planning

Commission or for review but my

understanding is at least that raccoon

streets going to remain in that plan as

a public public right-of-way

is that supposed to come through the end

of this year sometime the marketplace I

just reviewed gave comments to them on

okay on it from from our perspective on

the final draft and and I know they're

piecing together the final document the

consultant okay so we were looking at a

piece on southeast v there was

discussion about Raccoon ending at

southeast v and not continuing through

so that's some of our we don't want to

put in utilities if not necessarily just

utilities but the sidewalk and all the

improvements if number one it's gonna be

ripped out to fix raccoon or number two

if raccoons going away so other

questions

I don't know more thank you has had a

time limit on there that we hadn't

discussed

yeah our lease our new lease is five

years with truman's and quite honestly

without the workforce housing tax credit

right now we can't afford to do

apartments so it'll probably be at least

that five years before we're able to do

totally transform that corner so okay

thank you

yep anyone else to speak in favor of the

applicant anyone wants anyone who wants

to speak in opposition of this proposal

okay I'll close the public hearing

discussion I'd like to milk make a

motion we'll just seal it Jones I move

staff with the exception that the

overhead line not be buried and that the

sidewalk be installed within one year of

the final market plan approval mic I'm

thinking that if and when that plan is

approved we'll know and then give them a

year that is borrowing whether is it

approved in the winter or whatever to

install the sidewalk so his waiver of

the undergrounding yes but sidewalk

within one year after approval of the

plan if it if the right-of-way still

there yes with an inclusion of the South

East sixth Street sidewalk now

think she did you offer that up yeah

Angie said they would do that okay okay

any discussion on that is your a second

sure okay it's been moved and seconded

all in favor raise your right now okay

opposed abstention okay

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at the same time so again I'm not

putting into my Marcus you're in it out

so I can work with complaining in the

departments but we read the year but

let's coordinate a very good thank you

the motion path they could always come

back if that conflict became a concern

okay um idem ten here you want to put it

back on

okay number 10 is request from Drake

University represented by Vanessa macro

for review and approval the site plan

the Harkin Institute under design

guidelines in NPC districts on property

located at 2800 University Avenue to

allow development of a two-story 16000

768 square-foot building for the Harkin

Institute so this were excited about

this project so another concerns raised

in the staff report but we're definitely

excited about what Drake's doing here

the housing the Harkin Institute on

their campus and this entire block

essentially was part of the Southside a

university that got rezone to NPC so the

fact back when that occurred the Drake

neighborhood along with Drake University

wanted to see walkable development

occurring around the campus so NPC was

the zoning of choice at that time that's

the zoning in our ordinance that

currently does encourage that it brings

the buildings to the street so if you

look at the design guidelines I think at

this point right now the main I'm gonna

show you their plan first I guess before

we get into that and I'll let them

elaborate maybe even more on it

is here son wanna take away from them

describing their plan but so they do

have the building fronted to University

which is appropriate under NPC they have

a plaza area to the east of it towards

28th Street and then they have a parking

area that goes along with this that's

also west of st. Catherine's so which is

already there so they're integrating

that into existing development on the

campus already the main entrance is here

at the southeast corner and empties out

onto this area plaza it there's also a

route to get them to University when you

look at the MPC design guidelines staffs

biggest concern I think is generally we

want front entrances to be on the

prominent Street and emptying out and

that frontage that is the transit

corridor so we want to make sure that

transit patrons are able to get to the

entrance of this building within a

reasonable amount of distance and so

that was our concern

so we're wrecked we were recommending to

have a primary entrance onto University

or demonstrate that they're able to meet

that guideline of having good access to

the street from the from the entrance of

the building so that will be their task

tonight in front of the Commission right

now the transit stop is here at this

corner they've actually gotten a

modification that will traffic is

wanting this bump out here to slide to

the corner to shape this this would no

longer be a right turn lane which it is

now so right now there's a right turn

that goes south on the 28th Street they

want to shade that with a bump out so

that for a safer movement of traffic on

University and better movement of

traffic which I don't think anybody is

arguing at this point so they're

proposing to

meet that requirement but the bus the

spacing of the dart stops would push the

transit stop to mid block which actually

takes it away from that southeast corner

so that's staffs primary concern at this

point and so when you look at the staff

recommendation we are recommending that

they provide an entrance onto University

which I know there's some challenges

with the way they've designed their

building internally so they'll probably

present it

Eric could you clarify there is a door

on the east side of the arm sorry the

west side of the building but that's a

employee only entry right there's a

there's a door service door for staff

basically to access on the west side of

the building that has an access point to

get them to the parking area we've

recommended that that be connected to

University as well I don't think they're

arguing against that at this point I

don't think that's going to be a

deal-breaker for them but I'll let them

speak to that but they don't because of

security means there and indicating that

the main public entrance will be in this

plaza so I'll let them present their

design I have the elevations and

everything if you have questions but I

I'm hoping for them to give you a better

picture of their designs okay thank you

one question Burke is the project that

Mike Nelson's working on does it come

all the way to 28 no so where does it

stop can you see

oh yeah there's there's a about there's

a full block there okay between yeah so

but that because of the way that Nelson

Hotel project went the that actually

shifted where the dart stops we're gonna

they're trying to reduce the number of

darts tops to keep the buses moving

quicker so darts looked at this and

determined kind of at this point given

the project that's also part of the

city's upgrade to university with sewers

and so forth the stops are getting

redistributed along there and that's

already somewhat predetermined now based

on that project so thank you okay thanks

Eric will the applicant come forward

please state your name address fine in

yeah good evening my name is Joseph

Jones I'm the executive director of the

Harkin Institute which is currently

located at 24:29 University Avenue at

part of Drake's campus which of course

is 2507 University Avenue thank you all

for your time this evening for talking

about our project I appreciate the

opportunity to speak with you and

especially appreciate your service on

planning and selling items not the same

level of service but I did five years of

my own planning and zoning in my own

small town before I ran for council but

tonight I want to talk to you about the

Harkin Institute for Public Policy and

citizen engagement that was established

at Drake in 2013 with a mission to

inform citizens inspire creative

cooperation and catalyze change on

issues of social justice fairness and

opportunity and as our name suggests we

have two primary goals the first is to

produce high quality nonpartisan Public

Policy Research to help policymakers

make educated decisions the second is to

engage the public in conversations that

foster active and informed civic

participation so it's worth noting that

we have several programs specifically

for Drake and Drake University students

a large number of those participating in

our public programming are members of

the Des Moines community at large in

fact we brought nearly 11,000 people to

campus since we came to drink and

although we work around the globe we're

proud to be located in Des Moines and

we're proud of the

money programming we're able to provide

to our neighbors and our community

members much of our research and program

is concentrated in for public policy

areas to which Senator Harkin dedicated

his career wellness and nutrition labor

and employment retirement security and

of course people with disabilities and

as you all know fighting for the rights

of individuals with disabilities was a

hallmark of Senator Harkins career and

it's an area we're proud to continue to

work on at the Institute in particular

the Institute has been focused on how we

can help promote competitive integrated

employment for people with disabilities

around the world we partnered around the

world with those who are working to

tackle this challenge and Senator Harkin

has set an ambitious goal that we will

double the labor force participation

rate among people with disabilities by

2027 it's not an easy task to get there

we need to completely rethink our

approach to our workforce and we need to

be bold in our commitment to creating

spaces that are accessible to everyone

so the ADA a was signed 29 years ago but

when it comes to building design too

many people are still in the mindset of

providing the bare minimum to comply

with the law when we should be thinking

of how we can create the most inclusive

and accessible spaces possible so the

Harkin Institute we're constantly

re-evaluating how we do things

questioning ourselves and asking how we

can make things more accessible whether

that's through our communications

materials our events or our public

spaces and that's why we challenged our

architect to create a space that serves

is not just a model of inclusive design

but also a challenge to others to

rethink their own practices and how they

can raise the bar when it comes to

inclusion and equity lastly I want to

highlight briefly one of the deliberate

processes we undertook while designing

this space there's a phrase in the

disability community that's regularly

heard that is nothing about us without

us and I cannot presume to know the most

important factors of an accessible space

for someone who is deaf or someone who

is blind or someone who is user of a

wheelchair but at the Institute we have

a disability policy committee made up of

15 experts in different areas of

disability and most of whom have

disabilities themselves now ordinarily

this groups responsibility is to help us

with our policy research help us set our

agenda but we knew how important

to get this building right so we along

with Kevin our architect met with this

group on multiple occasions to discuss

with them directly what was most

important to them when it comes to the

making the built environment not only

accessible but truly inclusive so you'll

see their feedback reflected in the

building proposal you have before you in

all sorts of ways so at the harken

Institute we have a tremendous legacy to

live up to equitable access is immensely

important to us it's not enough for us

to meet the minimum standards of

accessibility access and Universal

Design are at the heart of this building

as well as the Institute's mission and

identity a place known for its work on

behalf of persons with disabilities can

do no less we need to create a space

that is truly inclusive for all

individuals a building that were drawn

national attention as an iconic example

of universal design can serve as a model

for other organizations of how to create

a work space and a space for public

gatherings that's welcoming for everyone

I'm gonna let Kevin tell you about the

design elements and then we'll both take

your questions

Thank You Joseph Kevin Nord Meyer BNIM

317 sixth Avenue in Des Moines

just very briefly because I know we're

running short of time I want to show you

a few pictures Eric already showed you

the property the the red outline there

is the property a few images from Google

Earth I should just point out that

if if zero is the elevation here this

parking is about five feet higher and

grade than the street at this point this

driveway ascends up five feet there's

parking in this zone right now that

provides some handicap parking for the

church

currently technically doesn't comply

with the side slopes because it was sort

of retrofitted to make that work at the

time but all of this area is sort of a

plateau about five five to six feet

higher than University and 28th Street

something just note I should mention too

that I do agree Drake does agree with

Eric and that the only issue we have

with the staff recommendations is this

notion of a an entrance on University we

we cannot accommodate that and and you

know I'll demonstrate why here in a

second we do also meet four of the five

criteria for you folks to grant

exceptions to the design guidelines we

have at a regular shaped site it's one

point eight eight acres we have

topography challenges and existing

buildings that we're all trying to

maintain so within the within the

ordinance we meet four or five of the of

the things that require or that allow

you to grant exceptions so again here is

the corner at 28th and university

looking Southwest this is the church

we're placing the building in this zone

right here and so you'll see here when

we drive in we're ascending grade so one

of the issues with the ordinance as it

stands right now is that by requiring

and for good reason by requiring an

entrance on on the north side at

University the ordinance actually

suggests parking on the rear side the

issue with everything that Joseph just

said with accessibility is that your

parking on the back side of the building

with an entrance on the north side of

the building and so for this particular

building not only is there a distance

issue just for any site related to that

there's an issue with this particular

site because there's a

for changing grade so you'll see in our

design solution how we tried to manage

that which requires us to move the

entrance off of University is the main

thing

so for me I have multiple sclerosis and

for me I have to scope out ahead of time

if I'm gonna beat somebody I have to

scope out you know a couple of days in

advance what am I going to meet them

warming in a park how far do I have to

walk to get from parking to a front door

so here's another issue or another sight

image looking east and you can see the

great change here so the site plan that

Eric presented nears just a little

rendered version of that yes so Drake

University here here's the Harkin

Institute building the church and so we

are moving the drive and and managing

all redoing all of the grades in this

zone to flatten out the slope a little

bit and you'll see here rather than

place the building at the corner which

is what the ordinance would like like us

to do and have an entrance here and

parking here there's not a really good

way for a person like me that can still

walk thankfully to get to the front door

even though the front door is accessible

to University in for transit folks you

know walking on the sidewalk those of us

those of us with disabilities will have

a challenge getting to that front door

so what we did is the first thing we did

is we slid the building west by sliding

the building west we've created this

this public plaza space that absolutely

has a wonderful presence and you'll see

here in a second to university and it's

creating that front door experience for

us off of the University Avenue in

key thing here though is that this was

initial concepts we had from the

beginning the parking here is handicap

parking right by the front door rather

than parking anywhere in this zone

having to walk around the building to a

front door over here distance distance

does matter and so that's one thing

ordinances and city plants don't account

for appropriately as the distance

someone has to walk from a parking stall

the front door so we are trying to

manage that very well right here all of

the visitors for this building will park

back here staff will park back here and

over in this parking over here so

everyone's a lot of people for this

building will be coming from this

direction and that's why we felt the

best and most appropriate and gracious

accessible entry is at that southeast

corner the other thing to note here is

there's a visual access from Drake

University

there's also visual access from the

building from University Avenue and by

creating this public plaza here

it absolutely accentuates and connects

the front door to university without

having a door literally on the front

facade of the building two universities

the floor plan is it relates

when you enter the building here through

sliding doors there's a ramp there's one

stair and then there's this ramp that

can take you up on this journey to the

upper floor and so the reason I'm

showing you that is that this will

probably be one of the only buildings in

the country that has this feature and it

presents itself again on the north side

of the building here and this is a

gallery space celebrating the Institute

tommmartens legacy and so forth in that

zone all of this is glass presenting

itself to university so here's a picture

of that I'm one of the zoom out just a

minute so this is standing on university

looking back at the building and staff

didn't really have this picture when

they made some of their comments they

might have made different comments they

wouldn't have seen this but what we're

doing is celebrating that ramp on the

exterior as well so you can see that

ramp inside here and presenting itself

on the outside at the top so this ramp

as it extends around extends back it

becomes a canopy to the main front door

back here this is a rendition of you

know some trees maybe a sculpture and

some other things out front in this

Plaza space so the door itself even

though it is on the back corner it

clearly has a presence to do University

Avenue all of this is glass that the

staff report mentioned the glass is

predominantly at the first floor that's

not true you can see here the glass most

of this building is glass and

transparent you can see in and engage in

dynamic building to university this is

looking from campus to the building so

again here you can see the ramp you know

in the building and extending through so

there's some dynamic engagement between

the building and the the street on

campus and then this is a view from

those handicap parking stalls to this

front door and how the front door

through this sidewalk of Plaza connects

back to university over here just lastly

some pictures of the interior this is

when you walk in the front door and you

can start to see the ramp as it extends

around the boardroom it starts to come

up along University Avenue here standing

at the top of the landing above the main

entrance looking back toward Olmsted and

the main campus there and then another

view looking back toward the library

Kohl's library cold means sits back here

and so there's a real dynamic engagement

between the building and the street

without having a door literally on the

front elevation on the sidewalk and with

that will entertain any questions

questions

yes Gavin what's the distance from

university to the facade of the building

the the dimension from the sidewalk to

the front door sure do leave front door

well I'm talking about University yeah

what's the building setback hold the

building setback we're at the the right

away line I believe are very close to

the right away line at the sidewalk this

is the front of the building

the other issue the other issue too is

is that we're trying to create a safer

more gracious and welcoming environment

for those with disabilities and by

providing as much handicapped parking as

we can on the south side um it's a safer

environment if we're lucky enough to get

a handicap stall on the university side

it's kind of a dangerous proposition to

be able to get out on that busy street

and get to the front door Oh Kevin hi

can you put up your floor plan again

your first first floor or foreplay

white PowerPoint is invented

this is interesting and so that you do

have an elevator right yes we have a

ramp at the stair and then the elevator

is a two sided elevator handicapped or a

hospital sized elevator so it's got a

door in each end with the strategy there

is given by our accessibility committee

is that two people could we along with

their wheelchairs go up stairs and wheel

off without having to turn around and

manage themselves and thank you do you

mind putting up again the rendering I'll

call it the money shot the rendering

yeah that one

Hey

what I was thinking of thinking about

and so this might be more of a dialogue

than a question I don't know yet but um

you know the intent I think with putting

doors on facades on streets is to create

activity you know to try and not have

blank lifeless sort of elevations and we

all understand that so this is a super

helpful image I appreciate the image

what I was thinking about what I saw

this it wasn't long ago that I was in

New York and went up the Guggenheim for

the first time I'd never been there

before and seen all the pictures read

the books but you know when he actually

experienced the ramp it's very powerful

and so when I saw this and you put it up

I just kept thinking wow what a

celebration kind of you know if the ramp

was almost hoping you didn't have an

elevator so then everybody had to use

the ramp and but so I guess my point in

this is I appreciate a couple things

you've done here it absolutely is full

life and I know you well enough to know

that you know this class will be very

transparent

and I think that's very powerful and

then that one drawing you had that

showed sort of the connection I'm sure

it was very thoughtful for you guys

about where the RAM protrudes out at the

top and it's kind of sort of on axis at

least visually on axis coming down

through the campus heading south I think

that's fantastic sort of celebration so

even though you don't have a front door

I just have to believe everybody going

by is going to want to go in they're

gonna want to figure out what's going on

inside and that's really awesome so I I

think you guys have solved this well

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thank you given I have one question on

the drawing it looks like the you said

there currently there's a grade change

but on the elevations you were showing

it looked like pretty much the whole

building is kind of flattening the site

between the grade and and back what is

the great difference at the west end of

the building from the sidewalk to the

entrance on the west side of your

building you can ask that question yeah

so from University sidewalk we're

talking about a future bus stop being

midpoint of 29th and 28th somewhere in

there is there not the ability to make a

sidewalk connection from university to

that sidewalk on the west side of your

building and allow access into that

building because not every person will

drive to the site there could be a

mobility challenged visitor a patron who

rides the bus so could they not have

access to the west side of the building

too to get in I saw your floorplan it

looked like that was all level at grade

and we'd go back to the ramp so let me

describe that so from here to here rises

5 feet and it still does because these

grades don't change

so we're rising up what we're doing here

is you're right we're carving this down

so this is sloping down sort of in this

direction we're doing all of our storm

water management is sustainably done

with green infrastructure practices so

all of the stormwater from the roof and

from the parking is all being managed in

some tidal swells around the site this

is one actually here to this sidewalk

then is not a ramp this again so that

sidewalk slopes at less than one in 20

so it's not even a ramp to get down to

that door

so they answer your question yes someone

might-- get off a bus here that's in a

wheelchair for example we don't

necessarily want them to come into this

door this door currently the way we're

planning it with Drake University is

that that's a keycard access for staff

that's why we weren't bothering to put a

sidewalk to university because you know

staff and visitors your parking back

here phenomenally there's actually a

handicapped staff person in a wheelchair

as part of their staff that probably can

park here and come down here and enter

that point but if they're already

traveling a distance anyway getting off

a bus here we still want to come over

here predominantly for the reason of

access and control they don't have a

huge staff and so there's a visitor or a

guest volunteer at the front door to

greet that person if you have to public

entrances it becomes a security security

issue yes our suggestion was more online

of I'd be willing to not have a door

directly on University this would be a

fairly minor revision possibly a call

button for someone that goes to that

door for someone to come in and let them

into that door on a shorter path from a

bus stop than taking them the entire

length of the building and then into the

farthest farthest point on the building

from the bus stop there's this isn't the

only bus stop there's also a bus stop

plant here and I'll stop playing here so

there's people coming from all

directions not just one right so folks

that are coming into these bus stops you

know are coming to this door so to

answer your question one one building

and I believe it's also Drake's it's the

the legal clinic I've gone to meetings

there before upstairs in the boardroom

the library that has what exactly what

you're talking about and the issue with

that for a guy like me that is disabled

I can park in the handicapped spot by

the back door the back door has a call

button like that but the person it's

it's just it's not convenient

it's a secondhand door treats me

differently than other people I got to

go around to the front door which has

steps then that's the one they want

people to go to because that's the front

door and in the buzzer the buzzer system

does not work on that particular

building so I don't know that that's

necessarily a solution I appreciate your

comment I appreciate your comment that

in the in the spirit of what we're

trying to do we want to give people

universal access everywhere but that

particular door is meant as a secured

access for a controller please don't

take my comment says wanting to treat

someone's right differently I have a

father who's who's disabled and and

distance is a huge issue so my question

was just is there the ability to

accommodate

within your existing design for someone

who would ride a bus to this facility

someone that gets off the next stop

could still use that door on the south

side but if somebody gets off at that

far west edge of your property doesn't

know that there's not entrance there

they're walking the entire length of the

building and back to the furthest point

on the building so those are the

questions thank you

Kevin I have a question as the

circulation around the building and

someone is parked in the main parking

lot how do they get to the front door

and parking this is that parking this is

an early early plan but they would walk

to there's a sidewalk connection here

and down okay thank you and swore they

can come here and down secondly how

white is the sidewalk and then boy we're

getting into details but I'm just

curious because you are going to have I

think a lot of people going from

University and walking or their steps

that come up and head toward the main

door from university as one walks to the

south

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on the east side of the Big East Side

yes this is all flat so we quite get to

the from that front from the main

entrance or the building down the

university I see I think I saw there's a

sidewalk here there's also a sidewalk

here further no steps in that well

there's no steps completely is

completely we were grading the whole

area right Rob I've been somewhat

confused about the grade so you're able

to go from University directly to that

main entrance yeah yeah so this is a

major crosswalk here and this is a major

crosswalk here but yeah this this were

flattening out so that I can pull in

here and this is all pretty much flat

yeah thank you okay other questions I

have a comment

Thomas it was interesting when Greg was

talking about the Guggenheim I think

everybody thought that you know and in

mind but you know that's a post-world

War two building and here in Des Moines

in the 1920s there was the same concept

that I think it was Proudfoot and Byrd

when they designed Smouse what's now

espouse opportunity school there's the

same kind of a level ramp for the same

reason I don't know if the the slope

would conform with very no current day

standards but Des Moines wasn't without

interest in the same thing many years

ago and as you mentioned that the butler

mansion too has a has a ramp that

connects all levels as well well one one

last question

I've seen some planning efforts up and

down the street for various street trees

I think it's I think I'm not exactly

sure what it all was and I'm how do you

know of that and are you guys

coordinating with that in here is that

not going anywhere yes so what I can

show you just very quickly ah is

this is the streetscape plan that Drake

has been working on thank you for the

area so here it is Harkin here's the bus

stop here those bus stops for example

here's the hotel that Mike Nelson is

doing which we've been working on that

as well and so this shows that the plan

for that whole area so there's

streetscaping going on there's medians

that are going to be added for slow down

traffic and so for its own genus

Landscape Architects are not only doing

all of this but they've been the

landscape architect for this and this

and so they're coordinating all that so

with your project will you be able to do

both the bump outs across the street or

just the one on your side just the one

on our side but Drake is proceeding with

the streetscape work fairly soon I

believe Thanks okay other questions all

right thank you

is there anyone else here to speak in

favor of the applicant okay anyone here

to speak um in opposition of the

applicant ok I'll close the public

hearing

discussion

Alma's staff with the exception that

they're not being entrance on University

I guess I've got a second okay it's been

moved and seconded all in favor raise

your right hand

okay opposed

I'm Stan

okay it's passed thank you

he knew I wore this blue outfit for

something today sorry kid he wore blue

for you Tom mr. harken okay we'll turn

our attention to 11:00 city initiated

request to give a segment of Rollins

Street between 41st Street and 42nd

Street an honorarium name of John Fire

Street and I think Tyler did you pass

around those Tyler's gonna pass around

some letters that we got as well so

there was a notification area but in

addition to that we got several letters

of comment from people that are outside

of the immediate area that I want to

make sure the Commission gets to see

thank you and I'll try to make this as

simple as possible this was initiated

through inquiry by one of our City

Council people to our street addressing

committee to consider a honorary street

name for John Byers Street on a segment

of Rollins Street north of the plate

house building and south of the

Roosevelt Shops at Roosevelt development

so segment we're talking about is right

here one block stretch between 41st and

42nd Street and the recommendation of

that committee was not to name it

because the policy set for street naming

by the City Council and included that

Street shouldn't be named after people

unless it's put posthumously so that's

that's what's in front of you right now

is the consideration of an honorary name

it doesn't affect addressing it doesn't

affect you know what goes on Google

Earth but it would include signage in

addition to the street signage for

Rollins Street if it's granted so that

would be the main difference I don't

think anybody on staff is challenging

the worthiness of the honorary name or

anything like that so it's simply down

to what the addressing committee did in

applying the policy of the council of

course the City Council will take this

up for the final decision and they

certainly can waive their own policies

so

discussions questions how long has this

policy been in effect you know I don't

think it's been that terribly long

because certainly we've you know named

other streets after people that were in

the living also living in a building

that is named effort or a gentleman that

still lives yes we are yes we are okay

that's a building them both George Flagg

Parkway and Robert DeRay were named

officially not honorary officially named

changed those streets with names of

living individuals it's just in my

opinion it seems like if you're trying

to honor someone who'd be nice to honor

them while they're alive and they know

it so I didn't I wasn't aware of that

policy but other questions discussion is

the applicant here again this is city

initiated so there may be individuals

here that are that want to express their

opinion but this was generated through

an inquiry by a council member to our

addressing committee and we're obligated

to push it forward base okay thank you

want to speak in favor of this yes okay

please come up no for the request you're

supporting the request okay good okay

and so your David I know you Britt David

in your address yeah sure my name is

David Kilpatrick executive director of

Des Moines community Playhouse 831 42nd

Street here in Des Moines and it was

just an opportunity that I had presented

to one of our board members it said we

would like to honor an individual who's

contributed so much not only internally

to the theater and not only nationally

to the you know community theater

organizations but also just to Des

Moines and the community of Des Moines

and he's retiring after 37 years of

service and we thought we were looking

for something special something unique

that not anybody else could enjoy or

recognize and we would like to do it

while he was alive and we were not aware

of the posthumous requirement when we

made the request but we just really

appreciate the support that Erik's given

to us and understanding he has to follow

the rules he has to follow and we

appreciate that and we just humbly

request it yeah so good questions okay

thanks

thank you mister um anyone else want a

speech about this

okay I'll close the public hearing I

moved Naima Street in memory as we have

been asked to do and with respect to the

honoree okay very gates been moved

across the street at the shops at

Roosevelt I would love the second

message on buyers has done marvels for

the Des Moines Playhouse in that whole

area that's just it's great great

property okay great it's been moved and

seconded all in favor opposed any

abstentions

item passed we're gonna adjourn don't we

adjourn and then you have the sorry our

next meeting is at 4 o'clock searching

for because we're going to be go over

going over the draft zoning ordinance

public hearing draft of the zoning

Board's document we have not we just we

discussed it at the last meeting right

availability the next two meetings we

agreed to meet 4 to 6 p.m. to discuss

the draft zoning code that public

hearing draft will be released tomorrow

at noon on the city's website that plan

dsm work so on the website will be the

the ordinance itself the

and site planning and design ordinances

which are chapters 134 and 135 also on

there is a will be a link to an

interactive zoning map that just like

the find my house on the city's website

you can type in an address and it'll

take you to the property on the map and

you can toggle back and forth between

the current zoning proposed zoning if

you click on the parcel it brings up

links to the zoning code itself or that

information where you can get to that

district information and then the

schedule draft schedule that I had shown

at the last meeting which has been

updated slightly is on there as well so

there's a wealth of information that

will be on the agenda on the website at

noon tomorrow we have sent the document

to the printer and I hope to get you a

paper copy of the document prior to your

workshop but I didn't have it today so

the release is tomorrow on the document

so we'll get that to you quickly and

prior to your workshop now good soaps

but more important it rain tomorrow it

gets released and I have people call me

and I go well what does this mean is

this like a done deal or how can i yeah

absolutely yeah absolutely

this is not not the finally we have six

months of public hearings okay ahead of

us on this code so there are at least

ten public meetings between public unit

and the workshop they contend steering

committee meeting states come to the

Planning Commission hearings where you

actually take public comment we have two

of those and then there's three council

for council meetings so if you're gonna

release that tomorrow would be really

great that we had like

that just simply said yes neighbors this

is how you can plug in so even if

somebody could just type in a purse I

mean quick email that says yeah what we

have is uh we gave some talking points

we had a meeting with Des Moines

business record and the Des Moines

Register and we gave them just some

talking points on it I can forward that

out to you tomorrow as well and really

the reality has direct people to the

plan DSM org website because that is

where all of its just like give me okay

so the next meeting is June 6 June 6

because this is incorrect the

preliminary agenda does not have it on

there on this so that's a preliminary

agenda right we we had to finalize and

make sure we were gonna have the drafter

at least before they stock do it without

yeah 4 o'clock on 6 4 o'clock on the

20th

we don't be talking about the zoning

code okay and there is no meeting with

the city manager tomorrow he will be out

of the office

thank you so the six in the 20th Michael

we have long meetings potentially yes

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