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welcome to the Planning and Zoning

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Commission meeting tonight I'm gonna

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start off by reading the rules and

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procedures the Planning and Zoning

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Commission is generally an advisory body

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to the City Council the City Council

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will hold a public hearing and make the

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final decision on all matters before the

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Commission other than site plans and

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subdivision plots unless denials or

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conditional approvals thereof are

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appealed please contact the city clerk

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or Community Development Department

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staff for details on council hearings

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the applicant will be given ten minutes

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to present the request proponents and

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then opponents from the public are then

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allowed to speak in that order with each

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speaker allowed a maximum of five

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minutes the applicant is then allowed

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five minutes for a rebuttal the hearing

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will then be closed and the Commission

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will discuss and vote on the issue all

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comments are to be germane to the item

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under consideration and the speakers are

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to maintain a concur Tia's manner items

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listed on the consent portion of the

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agenda will not be individually

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discussed and will be considered for

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approval in accordance with the

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recommendation in the staff report

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unless an individual present or a member

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of the Commission requests that the item

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be removed from the consent agenda and

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considered separately under the public

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hearing agenda the City of Des Moines is

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pleased to provide accommodations to

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individuals or groups with disabilities

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business days in advance should special

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of the Americans with Disabilities Act

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we believe we have a quorum approval of

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the minutes from the last meeting I will

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move approval of the May second 2019

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minutes second okay all in favor raise

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your right hand please

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abstention all right nothing

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I should set any corrections but okay

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all right all in favor okay here we go

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I'm the item passed okay we're gonna

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turn our attention right now to the

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consent items we have three on the

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consent agenda number one request from

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Linda Casas and Richard Anderson

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8:27 Skye Avenue for vacation of the

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north-south alley between southeast 8th

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Street and South East 9th Street from

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Scott Avenue to the vacated east/west

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alley

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it's your anyone in the audience who

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wishes to pull this item want to hear

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this item anyone on the Commission

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number two request from Roosevelt

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cultural district represented by Susan

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Nolan for vacation of a four point four

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four foot by three point three eight

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foot rectangle of the 42nd Street and

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Chamberlain Avenue right away adjoining

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the property of 840 second Street to

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allow the existing masonry pillar to

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carry private signage in the form of a

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plaque for the rows of a cultural

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district anyone here wish to hear that

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item anyone on the Commission number

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three request from Galway homes

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represented by Jim Potts MA for review

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and approval of a preliminary plat for

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via 335 on property located at 335

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Forest Avenue to divide the existing 2.6

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acre property into 24 Lots for row

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townhomes and a common outlet anyone in

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the audience wish to hear this item yes

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okay so we'll pull that from the consent

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any other items that could be possibly

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moved to consent madam madam chair

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uh-huh so right now staff we have item

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for item five item seven an item eight

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are in agreement with the staff

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recommendation okay so I'll read those

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right now

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number four requests from HRC and ffs

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represented by Chris Cazadores for

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review and approval of the development

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plan fusion east within the grade

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station PUD for property located at 1170

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Tuttle Street to allow development of a

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three-story eighteen unit row multiple

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family dwelling complex anyone in the

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audience wish to hear that item anyone

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on the commission okay we need to move

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that to consent or do i do just move to

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the consent can I do that thank you

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number five requests from HRC and FS

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represented again by Chris odorous for

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review and approval of the development

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plan Fusion West within the grade

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station PUD for property located at 1240

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Tuttle to allow development of a

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three-story 27 unit row multiple family

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dwelling complex anyone in the audience

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wish to hear that item anyone on the

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commission okay we'll move that to

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consent number seven requests from

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archway development group represented by

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Michael Donnellan for review and

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approval of a site plan bartenders

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handshake under design guidelines in NPC

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districts for property located at 36:19

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Ingersoll Avenue to allow for renovation

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of a 936 square foot commercial tenant

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BAE anyone in the audience wish to hear

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that item anyone on the commission okay

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we'll move that to consent on number

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eight request from dark or represented

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by Joseph Cordero for review and

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approval of the following for the

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property at 1723 grand avenue a is

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vacation of the service surface and

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subsurface of these four feet of 18th

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street and a north four feet of Grand

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Avenue adjoining the subject property to

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accommodate doors puddings and B

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an approval of a site plan under design

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guidelines from multiple family

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dwellings to allow the existing

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four-story building to be renovated to

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add six additional ground floor units

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for a total of 45 residential household

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units with the remaining portion of the

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18,000 600 square foot ground floor and

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basement area to be devoted for office

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retail space storage laundry indoor

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parking space anyone in the audience

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wish to hear that item anyone on the

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commission okay we'll move that to

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consent up move item four five seven and

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eight to the consent agenda okay second

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okay Carol all in favor raise your

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radium

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opposed abstentions I need to abstain on

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four and five okay

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it's densha I born five okay Eric and

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then I don't know if you want to take

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the consent agenda and then there's one

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item that's requested continuance on the

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regular agenda if I guess it's up to the

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chair if you want to okay is that

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numbers of the consent agenda first and

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then we can talk about the items you

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knew removed items to consider no motion

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for approval okay sir

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oh we moved items to consent that's true

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okay well okay well vote on the consent

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items okay motion so rule checking go to

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okay all in favor raise your right

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okay any opposed

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okay and I needed up stain again for

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five for five okay great you got it okay

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sorry Eric so items 1 2 4 5 7 & 8 have

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been voted in accordance with staff

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recommendation and won't be taken up

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further this evening

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madam chair item 9 has requested a

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continuance to to the June 6th meeting

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in order to they're doing some revision

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to the project and they've also

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submitted a request related to the

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project for some subsurface vacation

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rights vacation of subsurface rights so

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they they would like to be on the June

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6th agenda okay

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I move to continue item 9 to the 206

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agenda okay been moved in second all in

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favor raise your 8 yeah okay Thanks

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opposed abstentions okay

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that will be continued so anybody this

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won't be prepared here for number 9 that

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will be continued yes and then we'll

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there won't be any notice so if you were

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here this evening for that item it'll be

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taken up on June 6

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you should three item three so we're

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ready for the public hearing and we will

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start with item grading request from

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Galway homes represented by Jim Potts

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months to review and approve of the

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preliminary plot for via 3:35 on

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property located 335 Forest Avenue to

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divide the existing 2.6 acre property

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into 24 lives four row townhomes and a

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common outlet will the applicant come

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forward is the applicant here folks

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don't search school

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report

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okay he's gonna give a brief go over

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quickly so this is a subdivision plat

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for 24 parcels that would be for

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townhome units with so basically we're

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talking about lot lines in between units

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of a row house with the surrounding area

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commonly held as outlets that would

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contain detention landscaping and things

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that would be commonly maintained so

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this would allow for separate ownerships

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of each of the townhome units in

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accordance with the PUD that was already

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approved by the City Council in November

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of 2016 which allowed for the row houses

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they were two stories above underground

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parking

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basically so

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staff is recommending in favor of this

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subject to the compliance with some of

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the administrative review comments and

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then one of the things we wanted to make

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sure was included was compliance with

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tree mitigation because this property

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does have so Eric could you rotate the

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site plan so norsu yeah so this is North

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I'm sorry

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probably Tyler to zoom out a little bit

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one

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most of the area to the north is open

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space there's some grading that's going

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to happen at this end to flatten out the

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site to the southwest this is an aerial

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of the property

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Sorek just to confirm council already

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approved the Planned Unit development

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zoning for this property correct that

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allowed this density and allowed this

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housing type and there's already

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architecture approved for these units

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this is just the platting of the Lots

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for the units correct correct and then

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the the development plan will get

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administrative leave is the planning in

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general conformance with what we're

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shown earlier it is yes so it they need

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to there's some things that are just I

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would say typical administrative items

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that we would have get corrected in

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accordance with the area is there some

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way that you can view out and give us a

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sense for the historic district is north

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on Arlington I don't know if I have

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anything that that would allow me to

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zoom out on that but

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the historic district would be of north

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of so if you can see the park here this

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is Bates Park

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and at the north end to that is College

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Avenue so 3 another couple blocks north

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of that is where the Riverbend historic

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district would and then it would be

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another three blocks to the west on 6th

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6th Avenue so this is Bates Park that we

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can see here yeah Bates Park is directly

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adjoining to the north basically

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okay okay thanks Eric so the applicant

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the applicant here you please state your

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name and your address and then you'll

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want to join the Michigan is Jim pulse

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Mon I live at 12:47 41st Street des

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moines yeah I started this about three

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years ago and it's within a couple

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blocks of Mercy Hospital and Mercy

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Hospital removed about 200 apartments

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they had there they're gonna be

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owner-occupied and i thought it would be

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a great improvement to the neighborhood

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I didn't realize anybody had any

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objection to it until a couple minutes

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ago so this is I mean like Eric said I

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think this is all button approved this

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is just the planning of it into us here

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so okay any questions of the applicant

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okay is there anyone else thank you

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is there anyone else here to speak in

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favor of the applicant anyone who wants

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to make it express an opinion okay go

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ahead and come forward say your name

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address sign-in

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[Music]

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so my name is Risha Weber I resigned at

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2909 Deepwoods court my property is

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sitting on the east end of this planned

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development which would be two one nine

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Forest Avenue

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I am the property owner or manager at

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this point of that property not really

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sure what I can say here so let's get

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started

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I appreciate Steve's comment I am all

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for helping that area develop it's

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obviously going to help my property what

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I'm concerned about is the things that

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have happened in developing to get the

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property ready for Steve so when the

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trees were excavated which was a very

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large tree excavation my property was

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damaged during that time a tree fell on

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my gutter and caused damage the

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excavating company gave me a hundred

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bucks tapped it said it's good but since

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then I've been getting puddling in the

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front yard really bad puddling that I'm

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concerned about they also put up a

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commercial line or a commercial fence to

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protect the property I have a

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residential small fence and they've

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hooked the fences up so now my fence is

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damaged I removed it myself

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and someone came back and put it up so I

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had pictures my landscaping in the

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backyard as they removed the trees and

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they came with their cranes they came

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into my property and damaged the

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landscape back there as well I have

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pictures it's very difficult for me to

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mow on the west side of the house

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because there's no real division of

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property because now that the trees are

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gone it's just kind of like open field

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so this is kind of a request for me I

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don't know how we can establish a

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boundary that

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makes sense because when you look at

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your city plans or the plot plans they

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kind of go zigzag I would before this

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happens I would really like for us to

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establish some kind of straight line

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between my property and the new property

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I'm really concerned with flooding

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because it's a large hill and it's

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already been happening since the trees

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have been removed and then just

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generally people coming in and out of my

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yard because it's just such an open area

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and it looks like I don't know you can

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just go play in both yards I don't know

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so and then the last thing I wrote down

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was just constantly have to call the

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city to have him mow the area because

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the grass gets extremely long and it's

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hard to see and you know going into that

382
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like that from the driveway what would

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be the easement I guess you want to call

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it and you know probably more field-mice

385
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than there needs to be because the it

386
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just doesn't get mowed often enough so

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it's just yeah

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I don't know what else to say

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questions from the Commission another

390
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question please yes um what I'm hearing

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from you is a concern about the

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surroundings rather than the actual use

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of the land itself as row houses they're

394
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that correct that actually would be

395
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correct yeah I appreciate the the what

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he's planning on doing I just don't want

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to be I don't want to you know be

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affected negatively as far as my

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property management so that he can make

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it perfect you know condo itself okay

401
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other questions I have a question of

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staff when the applicant gets to the

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point of bringing the final plan forward

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his offense required a budding

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single-family residential or what might

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this lady expect to see when the

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property is complete generally unless

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there was parking areas that there

409
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wouldn't have been a screen between

410
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residential and residential so there's

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definitely landscaping that was shown on

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the ends of those drives I don't have a

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copy of that I should have included a

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copy of the conceptual plan for

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reference but it's not in the file so

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there it's based on what the PUD is the

417
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fencing she's probably referring to is

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what we require in the grading permit

419
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which is supposed to define the grading

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limits of the property so that they

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don't grade over tree roots and things

422
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like that I don't know about the

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operational aspect of them you know

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attaching it to her fencing because I

425
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don't know that's kind of a private

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matter but

427
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I'm not sure that's a good practice

428
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should probably be set up to stand on

429
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its own I have a question for Sam while

430
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you're up here she talked about flooding

431
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and she talked about flooding and the

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removal of trees is there a plan to

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mitigate any of that yes so that was one

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of the conditions that staff was

435
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recommending that they comply with the

436
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mitigation requirements which so when

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they come back in with their development

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plan they will need to demonstrate that

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they've replaced they've replaced the

440
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trees removed with adequate number of

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plantings within their property so there

442
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is some opportunity I guess for the

443
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developer to work with the property

444
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owners to determine exactly where some

445
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of that is there was a conceptual plan

446
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that determined conceptual landscaping

447
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but the development plan will define

448
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where they actually plant and they will

449
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have to show a schedule of plantings

450
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that would make sure that they meet the

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mitigation amounts of plantings in

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Eric's storm water in a storm water so

453
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they're on this plan that they're still

454
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there showing the storm water is

455
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underground chambers so it may be hard

456
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to see around this area I don't know if

457
00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:49,310
the engineers here tonight but there's

458
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:49,310
storm water chambers around here

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and there isn't really storm sewer in

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the area so they have to detain and then

461
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release it in a fashion which won't be

462
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erosive given the slopes and things so

463
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they'll have to have a way of releasing

464
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that so that the water that comes it's

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released back onto the property the

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subject property doesn't leave the site

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and go anywhere in a manner which would

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damage other properties that'll be part

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of the development plan review by our

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engineering staff okay any other

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questions of Eric or the up or the any

472
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other questions okay thank you make sure

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you sign in also please anyone else want

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to speak in opposition are the Purple's

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ok please state your name and address

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please and then make sure you sign in

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when you're done

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oh good Thank You Lara okay thanks my

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name is didn't Clark property at 14 was

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sixty second place directly adjacent to

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this property on the east side also in

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property at 1407 I've lived in the area

483
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for better than 30 years I've seen they

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what they did to that hillside as far as

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tree removal and in this projected it

486
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was a big mistake to do that at the

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beginning

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now has there been any rosin but there's

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been new flow of terrain what was going

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one direction without the trees has

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caused the entire hillside literally to

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gentl its way down with those without

493
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those trees before it was cut in and out

494
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the trees protected the roots kept it in

495
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place they're talking about putting in a

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reserve area for flooding as far as

497
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the drainage and

498
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:44,620
the fooling themselves a thing to put in

499
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anything bet bigger or anything other

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than a enormous underground tanks to

501
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,540
hold us because we get excessive amount

502
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:53,950
of water force gets flooded and worse

503
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:56,140
sit down the second happening like a

504
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river not only that but it works is on

505
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to second place second place what would

506
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be orchard down between second place and

507
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second have enough has been washed out

508
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every other year that they've tried to

509
00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:10,090
keep something there and the only reason

510
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,340
they keep anything there right now is

511
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because somebody's wanted it there and

512
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some days is no longer there so or won't

513
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be I worry about the erosion or worry

514
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about the density as far as population

515
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:25,120
density apparently I'm Way too late on

516
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the zoning part I was brought up to

517
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speed by somebody else that this is a

518
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high density it is for our neighborhood

519
00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:34,060
this is high density when you have row

520
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houses with that small of an area with

521
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that Park for the entire neighborhood

522
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this is identity I know it's not an

523
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apartment building but it's still high

524
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density it shouldn't have been that much

525
00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:46,750
you don't have too much concrete there

526
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:48,610
you're not gonna be able to accommodate

527
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:51,070
that much water and it's gonna flow down

528
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that and where those downspouts come off

529
00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:54,910
with their properties it's gonna work

530
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:57,070
down that hill I know they've got new

531
00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:59,440
drainage coming in through the what

532
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would be fourth street I believe towards

533
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,740
the north they've got the whole area

534
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:06,460
ripped up and they're pulling up that

535
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:08,740
when I first moved in my whole Street on

536
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:11,140
second place was ripped up and removed

537
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:15,730
so that new piping for downtown fresh

538
00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:18,460
water to be put in but you know I may be

539
00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:20,590
late I'm so objecting to it okay all

540
00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:22,450
right this density is too much for our

541
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:24,550
neighborhood and he's talking about

542
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:26,260
either rental or sale of properties as

543
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:28,860
far as townhomes and the projected value

544
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:31,530
of two hundred forty thousand per unit

545
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:33,870
in my neighborhood even a new house

546
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,880
habitats don't go for more than hundred

547
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:40,570
125 and that's a good new house well

548
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:44,080
built on a good lot family meant these

549
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:45,309
single single-family high-density know

550
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,950
where to play in order

551
00:29:45,309 --> 00:29:49,299
protect your traffic flow and you're

552
00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:53,529
talking another fifty cars out on

553
00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:55,360
Orchard another minute okay

554
00:29:53,529 --> 00:29:57,129
another fifty cars possibly up to

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,529
because twenty four units then

556
00:29:57,129 --> 00:30:04,350
everybody's got two cars you know man

557
00:29:59,529 --> 00:30:07,960
whatever F not three I've got three okay

558
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:09,610
in that area for orchard and what would

559
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,090
be forest it doesn't show an outlet on

560
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:17,110
the forest so you talking orchard and

561
00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:18,850
forth so you're talking more density

562
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:24,100
you're talking more cars parked on the

563
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:25,720
streets more traffic issues and where

564
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:28,509
were there's density there's people

565
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:34,869
hiding in the shadows okay well thank

566
00:30:28,509 --> 00:30:36,639
you questions for the mr. Clark I don't

567
00:30:34,869 --> 00:30:38,649
have a question I don't have a question

568
00:30:36,639 --> 00:30:42,940
have you seen the latest engineering

569
00:30:38,649 --> 00:30:44,379
plan for the development I did has just

570
00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:46,809
shows that they'll it will erode that

571
00:30:44,379 --> 00:30:48,220
much better but that hillside to that

572
00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:50,230
property line they're talking pushing

573
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:52,480
those houses out that put I puts the

574
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:56,379
last row of the houses on better is on

575
00:30:52,480 --> 00:31:02,590
what would be the east side of all those

576
00:30:56,379 --> 00:31:05,919
Lots yeah what 13 watt 12.5 lot for is

577
00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:08,110
on that hillside whatever is coming off

578
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:10,360
there will continue down that grade even

579
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:12,490
faster and will washout will talk down

580
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,710
there on down to the street the subsoil

581
00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:17,019
in this area is potted clay which is not

582
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:19,049
really stable the holds water expands

583
00:31:17,019 --> 00:31:22,389
and strength that plateau up there

584
00:31:19,049 --> 00:31:23,919
literally has a down underground spring

585
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:28,049
to it that comes off of everything from

586
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:31,559
13th Street from say University to

587
00:31:28,049 --> 00:31:34,629
working down into that gives all old

588
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:37,659
coal mines and there's a natural spring

589
00:31:34,629 --> 00:31:40,830
on to the properties habitat properties

590
00:31:37,659 --> 00:31:46,299
what would be the west side

591
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:50,800
can't see your overhead or jariabek what

592
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:53,090
is this okay

593
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,379
I put it here to fill the office away

594
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:59,570
okay right in here this is the property

595
00:31:57,379 --> 00:32:02,480
of the lady before me that she manages I

596
00:31:59,570 --> 00:32:04,070
said and the roads when she was talking

597
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,019
abouts right here that has gotten worse

598
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:09,440
I know that because I'm always up on

599
00:32:06,019 --> 00:32:11,059
this hillside thought about buying it at

600
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,389
one time because I own the property here

601
00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:17,299
but it's a little too much also their

602
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:20,149
outcrop of this is side by side with

603
00:32:17,299 --> 00:32:21,769
that lady's property here who doesn't

604
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:23,179
speak English and probably had no idea

605
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:24,590
that this was going on because she's

606
00:32:23,179 --> 00:32:26,899
lived there for years now

607
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:30,529
did you hike she's got kids and

608
00:32:26,899 --> 00:32:32,419
everything else so you're taking away

609
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:33,919
what would be her driveway to that side

610
00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:35,929
of her property for hangout and

611
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:38,450
basically giving somebody else the right

612
00:32:35,929 --> 00:32:40,429
way to it or the restriction to it which

613
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:42,409
was a mistake for the city to begin with

614
00:32:40,429 --> 00:32:46,159
when they give away what would be a

615
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:47,690
street to a non adjacent property monkey

616
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,879
Valley's way to the ones that are side

617
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:52,399
by side here and here that's behind I

618
00:32:49,879 --> 00:32:54,499
understand that it's less zoning the

619
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:56,749
phone line runs are there but this one

620
00:32:54,499 --> 00:32:59,539
wasn't automatically assumed to be hers

621
00:32:56,749 --> 00:33:02,389
without question just basically because

622
00:32:59,539 --> 00:33:04,879
there I was in the start okay yeah

623
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:06,619
thanks a lot for I just much better that

624
00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:11,090
you'd actually seen a copy of the plan

625
00:33:06,619 --> 00:33:13,580
thank you more rosin more water yeah so

626
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:15,980
I also live in that neighborhood I've

627
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:19,159
lived there for twenty years and I was I

628
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:21,710
was very excited about a new development

629
00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:25,549
and I'm gonna trust my my partner's here

630
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:28,879
that know best and the staff to mitigate

631
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:30,710
the the erosions and the water and

632
00:33:28,879 --> 00:33:33,769
things like that and I understand that I

633
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:37,580
was but I am excited to see that

634
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:43,309
development and but I know we have to

635
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:46,279
yeah pardon you need to sir you need to

636
00:33:43,309 --> 00:33:47,509
speak into that I'm sorry usually I'm so

637
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:51,409
used to my voice caring I don't need

638
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:52,999
microphone but yes I'm very glad that I

639
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:54,559
heard that somebody was developing it

640
00:33:52,999 --> 00:33:56,570
because the famous jump point

641
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,549
the previous property as far as the

642
00:33:56,570 --> 00:34:00,710
twelve or fourteen years that was there

643
00:33:58,549 --> 00:34:01,110
that was it they play a drug den or

644
00:34:00,710 --> 00:34:02,760
otherwise

645
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:04,830
I'm glad that they got tore down and

646
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,420
somebody took interest in it it was

647
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:10,320
definitely a nuisance property that

648
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:12,840
nobody do you know good neighbors this

649
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,419
high-density is asking for future

650
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,030
problems of that neighborhood our

651
00:34:15,419 --> 00:34:22,530
neighbor does not equate high-density

652
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:24,780
yeah I think we understand that so any

653
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:29,190
other questions or comments so any other

654
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:30,780
questions no okay thank you is there

655
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:34,169
anyone else who wants to speak in

656
00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:35,700
opposition of the applicant state your

657
00:34:34,169 --> 00:34:40,350
name and address and make sure you sign

658
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:42,780
in sorry I'm not very good at public

659
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:45,960
speaking my name is Jana Devore I live

660
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:47,310
at the property of 14:27 fourth Street

661
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,790
and I'm sorry Jana Len I just got

662
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:55,820
married so we live at the property right

663
00:34:50,790 --> 00:35:00,119
here been there 17 years again also I

664
00:34:55,820 --> 00:35:03,390
appreciate the attempt of beautifying

665
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:05,790
the neighborhood and making it better we

666
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:07,380
mainly came to get some answers I really

667
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,670
haven't done any of my research so I

668
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:11,850
apologize for that I'm kind of late to

669
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:13,680
the show wanted to know how the traffic

670
00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:16,350
flow will go again kind of building on

671
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,780
what he said living on that corner there

672
00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:21,869
there's an that orchard is really just

673
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:23,700
an alley it's not a street and with all

674
00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:26,130
the traffic in the neighborhood because

675
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:29,400
of the you know Park and everything I

676
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:31,680
also I'm concerned of a lot of traffic

677
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,180
going up and down that alleyway people

678
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,280
come flying through there already the

679
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:37,980
way it is kind of a dangerous

680
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,060
neighborhood and area for kids play out

681
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:43,410
on the streets because there's not

682
00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:45,950
appropriate play areas for more ready

683
00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:48,359
and again you know adding 24 units of

684
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:51,760
more kids and stuff and the neighborhood

685
00:35:48,359 --> 00:35:55,660
is concerning that it may not be safe

686
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:59,260
I also have going on her complaints

687
00:35:55,660 --> 00:36:01,690
about the the wildlife and trees have a

688
00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:04,510
lot of the last five to ten years

689
00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:06,790
battling poison ivy and weeds coming up

690
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:09,160
over that area just non-stop trying to

691
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:11,440
battle that so I'm hoping that will be

692
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,770
addressed with the building of it and

693
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,750
been maintenance of that it's a big

694
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:20,050
issue and it's also been connected to my

695
00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:22,150
fence coming from that way with no

696
00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:24,970
access to getting back in there if you

697
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:29,590
know my dogs get go chase animals that

698
00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:33,280
go back there but our main main concern

699
00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:36,340
again was the traffic flow if I didn't

700
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,109
get a chance to see where if the

701
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:42,970
traffic's supposed to be coming in from

702
00:36:38,109 --> 00:36:44,740
the north the southeast whatever but

703
00:36:42,970 --> 00:36:48,880
parking is a nightmare in that area

704
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:51,609
period also what what it'll do to our

705
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,140
property values taxes things like that I

706
00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:55,660
just gotta just like some answers not

707
00:36:53,140 --> 00:37:01,109
necessarily opposing it okay thank you

708
00:36:55,660 --> 00:37:03,490
questions okay thank you

709
00:37:01,109 --> 00:37:09,990
and anyone else want to speak in

710
00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:09,990
opposition of the applicant yes oh

711
00:37:11,539 --> 00:37:21,839
state your name and address please

712
00:37:14,059 --> 00:37:29,039
yeah well my name is Kim Thomas and I am

713
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:33,749
kind of surprised I got a Oh this is the

714
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:37,579
packet that I got September of 14th of

715
00:37:33,749 --> 00:37:40,410
2016 for the first meeting about this

716
00:37:37,579 --> 00:37:42,809
this property in this thing and I got

717
00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:45,989
this big flat sheet and all that kind of

718
00:37:42,809 --> 00:37:48,719
stuff with the two anyway I came for

719
00:37:45,989 --> 00:37:51,299
that meeting and was told that it had

720
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:56,309
been postponed and then I would be made

721
00:37:51,299 --> 00:38:00,059
aware of a new time I had heard nothing

722
00:37:56,309 --> 00:38:02,279
about this until just the letter that I

723
00:38:00,059 --> 00:38:04,890
just got for coming to the meeting

724
00:38:02,279 --> 00:38:06,689
tonight so I've kept this I have the

725
00:38:04,890 --> 00:38:09,719
original all that kind of stuff and Mike

726
00:38:06,689 --> 00:38:13,709
at the time that I that I came to that

727
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:16,759
meeting I did at least leave a sheet

728
00:38:13,709 --> 00:38:20,400
with my name and everything on it and my

729
00:38:16,759 --> 00:38:22,829
opposition was quote for the increased

730
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,589
traffic to the facility orchard Avenue

731
00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:30,689
which is a single lane street cannot

732
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:33,059
handle it basically 24 units 50 plus

733
00:38:30,689 --> 00:38:34,979
people unless they were going to do

734
00:38:33,059 --> 00:38:39,779
something with the street orchard and

735
00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:42,359
that it's I didn't see this plan I have

736
00:38:39,779 --> 00:38:44,400
not seen this at all so there I am come

737
00:38:42,359 --> 00:38:46,529
to the meeting because I was opposed to

738
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,429
it because of this I sure like to see

739
00:38:46,529 --> 00:38:50,640
some development

740
00:38:47,429 --> 00:38:52,499
I should explain what I have I what

741
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,469
would your address again sir my address

742
00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:58,409
is of the properties I'm a landlord I've

743
00:38:55,469 --> 00:39:02,969
had full three rental properties for

744
00:38:58,409 --> 00:39:08,279
rental properties sold 114 35 37 and 39

745
00:39:02,969 --> 00:39:11,459
4th Street so they share the alley of

746
00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:15,419
orchard there are the three houses I

747
00:39:11,459 --> 00:39:19,890
mean this doesn't know it does okay yeah

748
00:39:15,419 --> 00:39:21,750
I have these three houses right here one

749
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:24,910
two and three

750
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:26,500
for the 40 years I've had houses because

751
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:29,410
parking is such a problem

752
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:32,260
I've designed in the back of my

753
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:35,079
property's parking to stall parking for

754
00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:38,289
my tenants that I've had and it's

755
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:41,079
because you can't park in place so

756
00:39:38,289 --> 00:39:43,480
that's my big opposition for having this

757
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:47,049
at all this Orchard Avenue it's like

758
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:50,950
they've just stated it's just a one lane

759
00:39:47,049 --> 00:39:53,170
basically straight and I don't know

760
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:55,900
where the all the extra you know

761
00:39:53,170 --> 00:40:02,260
high-density is exactly what I'm afraid

762
00:39:55,900 --> 00:40:04,089
of with having that and I am not

763
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:07,390
prepared you know to go through other

764
00:40:04,089 --> 00:40:09,549
than I was opposed I stated that this is

765
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:12,160
the first time I've heard of anything I

766
00:40:09,549 --> 00:40:14,170
saved all this I mean I those properties

767
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,220
are something that I've had for 40 years

768
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:19,809
you guys and and I'm I'm very surprised

769
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:22,510
that I don't know that it was even

770
00:40:19,809 --> 00:40:24,730
passed I think I've talked to you once

771
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:26,740
on the phone I gave you my name I even

772
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:29,319
have them our conversation and what we

773
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:31,180
talked about is your gym right yeah yes

774
00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:34,089
you and I did talk to the phone we never

775
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:36,509
met or anything like that - okay sir all

776
00:40:34,089 --> 00:40:39,009
right yes I'm sorry

777
00:40:36,509 --> 00:40:42,250
not good at public speaking either but

778
00:40:39,009 --> 00:40:44,200
it's okay thank you did you want to say

779
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:47,140
anything else sir

780
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,759
well you've got my point that we don't

781
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:50,470
know anything about that this had even

782
00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:53,380
been approved or anything like that

783
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:57,940
I was never notified for that and now

784
00:40:53,380 --> 00:41:01,349
here it is that we have this so okay

785
00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:01,349
where do you get a copy of this

786
00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:12,050
I well years here that you're the person

787
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:15,900
okay do we have questions questions of

788
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:20,670
mr. Thomas

789
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:24,720
I have question for the right this is

790
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:27,390
before the applicant or staff just to

791
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,009
address this parking issue I am just

792
00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:32,130
making an assumption that the townhomes

793
00:41:29,009 --> 00:41:35,599
come with a garage a two-car garage can

794
00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:35,599
you just clarify or confirm

795
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,150
we done didn't I say up questions of you

796
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:51,740
yeah yeah print is if you put your email

797
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:56,360
there I'll email us yes so this this was

798
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:58,790
approved with the with the PUD

799
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,950
conceptual plan so each of these would

800
00:41:58,790 --> 00:42:04,010
have a double garage underneath with two

801
00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:06,680
stories above the there would be a

802
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:10,040
through private drive that would go

803
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,270
between orchard and forest so that isn't

804
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,490
really showing up because all you're

805
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:14,750
seeing here is the lot lines and so

806
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:18,050
you're not the other thing is that

807
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:21,080
there's private access to the backs of

808
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:22,640
these units with center courts so the

809
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:28,070
movements face each other on the center

810
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:30,500
court you don't see that on a platter so

811
00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:32,420
Eric just to confirm there's a two-car

812
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:34,910
garage for each unit it actually has a

813
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:37,250
parking drive out in front of the unit

814
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:39,050
to access the garage and then if I

815
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:41,060
recall this beauty there was on sir

816
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:43,340
if you call it on street parking it's

817
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:47,150
the private drive in the development had

818
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:50,300
parking lining the the private drive

819
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:52,670
that would look like a public street it

820
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:54,770
would have landscaping on it street

821
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:58,100
trees and it has a sidewalk that runs

822
00:42:54,770 --> 00:43:00,290
the full north-south length of the of

823
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,910
the property so it's a private drive

824
00:43:00,290 --> 00:43:03,740
within the development but it looks like

825
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:05,810
a public street and functions like a

826
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:08,690
public street that has parking along it

827
00:43:05,810 --> 00:43:11,050
for for guests and then each each unit

828
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:13,960
in itself has a to you to space

829
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:16,300
availability

830
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,190
okay and and just for the commissioners

831
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:20,619
awareness so when we sent out notices on

832
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:22,420
Platts and site plans that instructs

833
00:43:20,619 --> 00:43:26,140
individuals with questions to come and

834
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:28,690
view the plan or ask calls call in and

835
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:30,460
we can send it to them by email so

836
00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:34,240
because it's not an easy thing to mail

837
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:36,069
in in the notification so we didn't get

838
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:39,730
any enquiries until this evening on that

839
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:42,119
so so Eric do you hear do you see any

840
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:46,119
issues with traffic because I know

841
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:48,130
traffic requires Beauty stage so that

842
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,109
would have been in a trap the traffic

843
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:52,030
analysis would have been made at the

844
00:43:50,109 --> 00:43:56,380
time of the Planned Unit development

845
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:59,050
review right and this was approved

846
00:43:56,380 --> 00:44:03,640
satisfying the traffic any traffic

847
00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:05,260
requirements 24 dwelling units you know

848
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,190
while it will change what's happening

849
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:11,290
there now doesn't really drive any

850
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:15,160
concerns with the capacity of the Strout

851
00:44:11,290 --> 00:44:16,690
surrounding street network doesn't do

852
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,920
anything that would promote congestion

853
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:22,510
really with that number of units again

854
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,869
they're gonna notice some change to

855
00:44:22,510 --> 00:44:27,430
what's there now but and the fact that

856
00:44:25,869 --> 00:44:29,349
they have the outlet to forest I would

857
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:31,750
imagine most trips will want to go to

858
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:33,790
forest and not choose to go on to

859
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:36,309
Orchard because it's not as it's a semi

860
00:44:33,790 --> 00:44:39,010
improved street so it yeah it is it is a

861
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:42,520
single lane street so okay that's not to

862
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:46,030
say nobody will right but but it'll have

863
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:48,730
two outlets a traffic was comfortable

864
00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:51,400
with yeah so traffic traffic traffic and

865
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:54,040
transportation you know made comments at

866
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,720
that time I think some of this layout

867
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,910
was revised based on the need to make

868
00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:00,430
sure we have a through connection as

869
00:44:57,910 --> 00:45:04,270
well so thank you okay any other

870
00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:05,890
questions does the applicant want to do

871
00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:08,430
you want to respond to anything that

872
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:08,430
you've heard

873
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:15,230
like yeah like I said I didn't know

874
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:18,710
there's any objections to this I know we

875
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:21,410
had way back when we had a neighborhood

876
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:24,349
meeting who before essentially anything

877
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:27,349
was done and I thought the last

878
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:29,630
gentleman's wife was at it I'm not sure

879
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:32,029
but I remember her talking about some

880
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:39,230
houses that were for rent on the 4th on

881
00:45:32,029 --> 00:45:41,930
4th Street there but and I agree with

882
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:45,559
Eric I think 90% of the traffic is going

883
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:53,630
to go on Forest Orchard essentially

884
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:56,510
doesn't go anyplace so but anyway I just

885
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:58,130
ask you to approve the planting like the

886
00:45:56,510 --> 00:46:01,690
rest of this stuff has been approved a

887
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:04,730
long time ago already so if anybody has

888
00:46:01,690 --> 00:46:06,289
any problems in the neighborhood of glad

889
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:09,799
to give me my name and number you can

890
00:46:06,289 --> 00:46:10,069
call me any time so no problem ok thank

891
00:46:09,799 --> 00:46:12,829
you

892
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:14,960
would you do that for I'm thinking for

893
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:17,930
the woman that had come here on partner

894
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,119
I say would you do that specifically for

895
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:22,819
the woman who came here yeah and had a

896
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,619
question about the the fencing and so

897
00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:29,000
forth

898
00:46:23,619 --> 00:46:32,510
yeah I'll take a look at it quite quite

899
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:35,900
frankly I think between your property

900
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:38,930
and my property there's a 3-foot piece

901
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:41,480
of property that's owned by somebody I

902
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:45,740
don't know who but then I think it has

903
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,450
some lady's name on it but if you don't

904
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:50,839
want that attached to your fans I'll

905
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:55,050
make sure it gets detached from its own

906
00:46:50,839 --> 00:46:58,470
and they never fix your gutter either

907
00:46:55,050 --> 00:47:01,140
oh can I talk to relate yeah I would

908
00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:02,580
yeah okay thank you thank you very much

909
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:05,730
um

910
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:07,530
anyone else in opposition well okay we

911
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:16,140
decide that all right so I'm gonna close

912
00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:21,000
the public hearing any okay any seconds

913
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:25,550
sure our discussion oh okay

914
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,550
all in favor of staff raise your hand

915
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:37,510
a post abstain okay thank you

916
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:40,939
it was approved and the items approved

917
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:40,939
[Music]

918
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:52,869
now we're going to item six I'll read it

919
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:59,710
Eric you wouldn't put it up there okay

920
00:47:52,869 --> 00:48:01,790
item six 400 400 South East 6th Street

921
00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:03,290
represented by Jake Christensen for

922
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:06,080
review and approval of a site plan

923
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:08,750
amendment Truman's Casey Pizza Tavern

924
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,940
under design guidelines and c3b

925
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:13,850
districts for property located at 400

926
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:17,570
and 410 South East 6th Street to allow

927
00:48:13,850 --> 00:48:20,030
for 1344 square foot patio to the south

928
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:21,680
of the building at 400 South East 6th

929
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:26,450
Street and off street parking

930
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:29,960
ok Eric yes so quickly since the last

931
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:32,360
time the Commission saw this and

932
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:36,770
continued the item it was it included

933
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:38,690
the entire block area of the of the site

934
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:41,900
it has now been reduced to just the

935
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:44,780
eastern portion which is the c3b

936
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:47,119
portion and they are treating it as two

937
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:49,550
separate site plans now so what's in

938
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,730
front of you is the eastern part of the

939
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:54,760
block

940
00:48:51,730 --> 00:49:02,800
which includes the parking that you see

941
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:07,750
here in the patio area they are they are

942
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:10,630
requesting a they did provide a design

943
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:13,300
that shows them complying with the

944
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:17,800
elements of our downtown overlay and

945
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:20,430
Street scapes however they do indicate

946
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,140
that they wanted deferral of that

947
00:49:20,430 --> 00:49:24,550
improvement for the time being they

948
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:27,310
didn't give a definite amount of time

949
00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:30,359
for that deferral in addition they are

950
00:49:27,310 --> 00:49:33,670
also asking that they not be required to

951
00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:38,380
underground their service line for their

952
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:40,180
building as part of this so staff both

953
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:44,260
of those are contrary to what staff is

954
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:45,970
recommending in the staff recommendation

955
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:47,579
other than that we would just say

956
00:49:45,970 --> 00:49:54,490
compliance with other administrative

957
00:49:47,579 --> 00:49:55,570
review I don't know if there's I don't

958
00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:57,609
want to I'm trying to be a little more

959
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:59,460
brief if I can if there's questions

960
00:49:57,609 --> 00:50:02,530
about something you're not sure about

961
00:49:59,460 --> 00:50:04,810
definitely ask so so staff is

962
00:50:02,530 --> 00:50:08,650
recommending approval of this but we

963
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:10,359
we're not we're not wanting to we want

964
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:12,940
the improvements for the sidewalks and

965
00:50:10,359 --> 00:50:16,140
the the service lines under grounded

966
00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:19,259
with the immediate project so

967
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:22,999
questions of Eirik right now well the

968
00:50:19,259 --> 00:50:22,999
app is the applicant here okay

969
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,330
please state your name and address and

970
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:35,760
then sign it when you're done please the

971
00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:41,310
ng found ku Christensen development 215

972
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:43,470
East third suite 300 Des Moines I'm here

973
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:45,240
for you guys so just a little bit of

974
00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:47,310
history on why we split the plats we got

975
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:49,470
ourselves into a really big detention

976
00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:51,360
cost when we tried to increase the

977
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:54,120
parking by putting the two Lots together

978
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:56,420
so this this doing it this way allows us

979
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,590
to still get parking for our tenant but

980
00:50:56,420 --> 00:51:00,150
not do the detention until we actually

981
00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:03,660
make this an apartment building which is

982
00:51:00,150 --> 00:51:05,610
probably ten years down the road so what

983
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:07,470
we're looking at our main concern is the

984
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:09,240
under grounding of utilities you guys

985
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:11,700
saw me like a month ago about the same

986
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,450
issue so you will see running down

987
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,430
raccoon

988
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:15,840
all of the utility poles are actually on

989
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:18,750
the opposite side of the street we just

990
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,090
have one coming into our truman's space

991
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:22,800
and so the cost underground is about ten

992
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:25,530
to twelve thousand dollars depending and

993
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,050
it only remove that length across the

994
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:29,580
raccoon so it doesn't do much for sight

995
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:31,230
lines or views or anything like that

996
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:34,470
there are no other under grounded

997
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:36,150
utilities long raccoon our other concern

998
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:37,710
with raccoon is depending on who you

999
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:41,040
talk to in the city and what plan you

1000
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:43,230
look at we're still unsure if raccoons a

1001
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,870
through Street at the end of the day or

1002
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:47,880
if it's closed so I don't want to put in

1003
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:50,610
class a sidewalks for something that

1004
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,530
isn't going to be a street which that I

1005
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:55,140
believe depends on aj allen and what

1006
00:51:52,530 --> 00:51:57,270
plans follow what plans come through and

1007
00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:59,400
what don't so I'm not opposed to doing

1008
00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:00,990
the landscaping along and along South

1009
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,930
East sixth because you actually have

1010
00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:06,450
that with PDM and Nelson's project we'll

1011
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:08,700
have that in twg so that makes sense to

1012
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:11,330
me it's the raccoon piece that does not

1013
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:11,330
make sense to us

1014
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:20,609
they question questions Kenji

1015
00:52:18,839 --> 00:52:23,940
I'm not following your thinking

1016
00:52:20,609 --> 00:52:26,490
regarding whether or not raku will

1017
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:29,250
continue to go through is the discussion

1018
00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:31,589
about vacation or in the market district

1019
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:33,119
plan in one of the plans yes depends on

1020
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:35,579
which department in the city I'm talking

1021
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:38,339
to so I don't think that's been sorted

1022
00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:39,960
through yet unless it has I'm a dragon I

1023
00:52:38,339 --> 00:52:42,299
did decide to keep raccoon because

1024
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,049
there's gonna be storm water Oh consult

1025
00:52:42,299 --> 00:52:47,400
is running down that Street still so at

1026
00:52:46,049 --> 00:52:50,640
least that's my understanding of the

1027
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,299
drafted that plan has not been the final

1028
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,740
draft of it hasn't been prepared and it

1029
00:52:54,299 --> 00:52:58,380
still needs to come to the Planning

1030
00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,869
Commission or for review but my

1031
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:03,059
understanding is at least that raccoon

1032
00:53:00,869 --> 00:53:06,200
streets going to remain in that plan as

1033
00:53:03,059 --> 00:53:06,200
a public public right-of-way

1034
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:10,920
is that supposed to come through the end

1035
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:13,080
of this year sometime the marketplace I

1036
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,330
just reviewed gave comments to them on

1037
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,490
okay on it from from our perspective on

1038
00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:20,190
the final draft and and I know they're

1039
00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:22,560
piecing together the final document the

1040
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:26,010
consultant okay so we were looking at a

1041
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,260
piece on southeast v there was

1042
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:30,060
discussion about Raccoon ending at

1043
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:32,250
southeast v and not continuing through

1044
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:34,260
so that's some of our we don't want to

1045
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,610
put in utilities if not necessarily just

1046
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:37,200
utilities but the sidewalk and all the

1047
00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:39,540
improvements if number one it's gonna be

1048
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:45,150
ripped out to fix raccoon or number two

1049
00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:45,720
if raccoons going away so other

1050
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:50,730
questions

1051
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:52,710
I don't know more thank you has had a

1052
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:54,890
time limit on there that we hadn't

1053
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:54,890
discussed

1054
00:54:01,109 --> 00:54:06,700
yeah our lease our new lease is five

1055
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,800
years with truman's and quite honestly

1056
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:10,030
without the workforce housing tax credit

1057
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,130
right now we can't afford to do

1058
00:54:10,030 --> 00:54:13,990
apartments so it'll probably be at least

1059
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:17,200
that five years before we're able to do

1060
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:18,369
totally transform that corner so okay

1061
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,339
thank you

1062
00:54:18,369 --> 00:54:25,810
yep anyone else to speak in favor of the

1063
00:54:21,339 --> 00:54:31,109
applicant anyone wants anyone who wants

1064
00:54:25,810 --> 00:54:33,640
to speak in opposition of this proposal

1065
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:39,700
okay I'll close the public hearing

1066
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:42,190
discussion I'd like to milk make a

1067
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:44,650
motion we'll just seal it Jones I move

1068
00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:49,030
staff with the exception that the

1069
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:52,300
overhead line not be buried and that the

1070
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:58,450
sidewalk be installed within one year of

1071
00:54:52,300 --> 00:55:01,210
the final market plan approval mic I'm

1072
00:54:58,450 --> 00:55:04,960
thinking that if and when that plan is

1073
00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:07,690
approved we'll know and then give them a

1074
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,520
year that is borrowing whether is it

1075
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:13,180
approved in the winter or whatever to

1076
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:15,730
install the sidewalk so his waiver of

1077
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:17,589
the undergrounding yes but sidewalk

1078
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:20,109
within one year after approval of the

1079
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:23,830
plan if it if the right-of-way still

1080
00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:27,839
there yes with an inclusion of the South

1081
00:55:23,830 --> 00:55:27,839
East sixth Street sidewalk now

1082
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:36,310
think she did you offer that up yeah

1083
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:39,859
Angie said they would do that okay okay

1084
00:55:36,310 --> 00:55:44,619
any discussion on that is your a second

1085
00:55:39,859 --> 00:55:51,079
sure okay it's been moved and seconded

1086
00:55:44,619 --> 00:55:58,329
all in favor raise your right now okay

1087
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:58,329
opposed abstention okay

1088
00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:04,179
[Music]

1089
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,279
at the same time so again I'm not

1090
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:12,740
putting into my Marcus you're in it out

1091
00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:14,720
so I can work with complaining in the

1092
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:19,789
departments but we read the year but

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00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:22,940
let's coordinate a very good thank you

1094
00:56:19,789 --> 00:56:25,910
the motion path they could always come

1095
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:31,069
back if that conflict became a concern

1096
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:33,400
okay um idem ten here you want to put it

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00:56:31,069 --> 00:56:33,400
back on

1098
00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:47,750
okay number 10 is request from Drake

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00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:49,580
University represented by Vanessa macro

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00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:51,950
for review and approval the site plan

1101
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:54,710
the Harkin Institute under design

1102
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:57,650
guidelines in NPC districts on property

1103
00:56:54,710 --> 00:57:00,770
located at 2800 University Avenue to

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00:56:57,650 --> 00:57:03,770
allow development of a two-story 16000

1105
00:57:00,770 --> 00:57:15,260
768 square-foot building for the Harkin

1106
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:19,250
Institute so this were excited about

1107
00:57:15,260 --> 00:57:20,560
this project so another concerns raised

1108
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:22,820
in the staff report but we're definitely

1109
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:26,119
excited about what Drake's doing here

1110
00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:29,900
the housing the Harkin Institute on

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00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:33,770
their campus and this entire block

1112
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:37,660
essentially was part of the Southside a

1113
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:41,000
university that got rezone to NPC so the

1114
00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:44,359
fact back when that occurred the Drake

1115
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:47,000
neighborhood along with Drake University

1116
00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:49,730
wanted to see walkable development

1117
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,160
occurring around the campus so NPC was

1118
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:54,740
the zoning of choice at that time that's

1119
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,630
the zoning in our ordinance that

1120
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:59,000
currently does encourage that it brings

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00:57:56,630 --> 00:58:01,220
the buildings to the street so if you

1122
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,720
look at the design guidelines I think at

1123
00:58:01,220 --> 00:58:08,660
this point right now the main I'm gonna

1124
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:11,480
show you their plan first I guess before

1125
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:14,840
we get into that and I'll let them

1126
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:18,800
elaborate maybe even more on it

1127
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:21,710
is here son wanna take away from them

1128
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,230
describing their plan but so they do

1129
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:26,810
have the building fronted to University

1130
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:29,840
which is appropriate under NPC they have

1131
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:33,680
a plaza area to the east of it towards

1132
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,110
28th Street and then they have a parking

1133
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:41,540
area that goes along with this that's

1134
00:58:35,110 --> 00:58:43,370
also west of st. Catherine's so which is

1135
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:46,250
already there so they're integrating

1136
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:53,920
that into existing development on the

1137
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:57,590
campus already the main entrance is here

1138
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:02,300
at the southeast corner and empties out

1139
00:58:57,590 --> 00:59:05,780
onto this area plaza it there's also a

1140
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:08,000
route to get them to University when you

1141
00:59:05,780 --> 00:59:11,030
look at the MPC design guidelines staffs

1142
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,630
biggest concern I think is generally we

1143
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:16,670
want front entrances to be on the

1144
00:59:13,630 --> 00:59:18,080
prominent Street and emptying out and

1145
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:21,100
that frontage that is the transit

1146
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:24,950
corridor so we want to make sure that

1147
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:26,330
transit patrons are able to get to the

1148
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:29,750
entrance of this building within a

1149
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:31,610
reasonable amount of distance and so

1150
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:33,890
that was our concern

1151
00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:35,480
so we're wrecked we were recommending to

1152
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:39,230
have a primary entrance onto University

1153
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:42,350
or demonstrate that they're able to meet

1154
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:44,420
that guideline of having good access to

1155
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:48,320
the street from the from the entrance of

1156
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:51,530
the building so that will be their task

1157
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:54,470
tonight in front of the Commission right

1158
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:56,630
now the transit stop is here at this

1159
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:59,840
corner they've actually gotten a

1160
00:59:56,630 --> 01:00:02,690
modification that will traffic is

1161
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:05,360
wanting this bump out here to slide to

1162
01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:08,540
the corner to shape this this would no

1163
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:10,340
longer be a right turn lane which it is

1164
01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:13,760
now so right now there's a right turn

1165
01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:16,400
that goes south on the 28th Street they

1166
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:19,340
want to shade that with a bump out so

1167
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:22,670
that for a safer movement of traffic on

1168
01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:25,010
University and better movement of

1169
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:26,780
traffic which I don't think anybody is

1170
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:28,200
arguing at this point so they're

1171
01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:32,220
proposing to

1172
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:38,630
meet that requirement but the bus the

1173
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:41,310
spacing of the dart stops would push the

1174
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:43,050
transit stop to mid block which actually

1175
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:45,630
takes it away from that southeast corner

1176
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:47,760
so that's staffs primary concern at this

1177
01:00:45,630 --> 01:00:49,619
point and so when you look at the staff

1178
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,140
recommendation we are recommending that

1179
01:00:49,619 --> 01:00:54,329
they provide an entrance onto University

1180
01:00:52,140 --> 01:00:55,500
which I know there's some challenges

1181
01:00:54,329 --> 01:00:57,119
with the way they've designed their

1182
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:58,140
building internally so they'll probably

1183
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,240
present it

1184
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:02,040
Eric could you clarify there is a door

1185
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,359
on the east side of the arm sorry the

1186
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,640
west side of the building but that's a

1187
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:09,150
employee only entry right there's a

1188
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:12,480
there's a door service door for staff

1189
01:01:09,150 --> 01:01:15,660
basically to access on the west side of

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:20,609
the building that has an access point to

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01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:22,260
get them to the parking area we've

1192
01:01:20,609 --> 01:01:24,500
recommended that that be connected to

1193
01:01:22,260 --> 01:01:26,550
University as well I don't think they're

1194
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:27,450
arguing against that at this point I

1195
01:01:26,550 --> 01:01:28,859
don't think that's going to be a

1196
01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:32,579
deal-breaker for them but I'll let them

1197
01:01:28,859 --> 01:01:34,619
speak to that but they don't because of

1198
01:01:32,579 --> 01:01:37,619
security means there and indicating that

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01:01:34,619 --> 01:01:41,940
the main public entrance will be in this

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01:01:37,619 --> 01:01:43,200
plaza so I'll let them present their

1201
01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:44,460
design I have the elevations and

1202
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,440
everything if you have questions but I

1203
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:48,869
I'm hoping for them to give you a better

1204
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:52,380
picture of their designs okay thank you

1205
01:01:48,869 --> 01:01:54,329
one question Burke is the project that

1206
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:58,140
Mike Nelson's working on does it come

1207
01:01:54,329 --> 01:02:02,119
all the way to 28 no so where does it

1208
01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:07,609
stop can you see

1209
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:11,839
oh yeah there's there's a about there's

1210
01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:13,880
a full block there okay between yeah so

1211
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:17,839
but that because of the way that Nelson

1212
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:20,329
Hotel project went the that actually

1213
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:21,589
shifted where the dart stops we're gonna

1214
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:23,869
they're trying to reduce the number of

1215
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:27,799
darts tops to keep the buses moving

1216
01:02:23,869 --> 01:02:29,960
quicker so darts looked at this and

1217
01:02:27,799 --> 01:02:31,430
determined kind of at this point given

1218
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:35,029
the project that's also part of the

1219
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:38,240
city's upgrade to university with sewers

1220
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:40,309
and so forth the stops are getting

1221
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:43,220
redistributed along there and that's

1222
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:46,339
already somewhat predetermined now based

1223
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:48,349
on that project so thank you okay thanks

1224
01:02:46,339 --> 01:02:54,529
Eric will the applicant come forward

1225
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:57,079
please state your name address fine in

1226
01:02:54,529 --> 01:02:58,490
yeah good evening my name is Joseph

1227
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:59,869
Jones I'm the executive director of the

1228
01:02:58,490 --> 01:03:02,960
Harkin Institute which is currently

1229
01:02:59,869 --> 01:03:04,190
located at 24:29 University Avenue at

1230
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,519
part of Drake's campus which of course

1231
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:08,930
is 2507 University Avenue thank you all

1232
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,489
for your time this evening for talking

1233
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:11,509
about our project I appreciate the

1234
01:03:10,489 --> 01:03:13,849
opportunity to speak with you and

1235
01:03:11,509 --> 01:03:15,799
especially appreciate your service on

1236
01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:18,019
planning and selling items not the same

1237
01:03:15,799 --> 01:03:19,369
level of service but I did five years of

1238
01:03:18,019 --> 01:03:21,710
my own planning and zoning in my own

1239
01:03:19,369 --> 01:03:23,390
small town before I ran for council but

1240
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:25,069
tonight I want to talk to you about the

1241
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:27,140
Harkin Institute for Public Policy and

1242
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:28,940
citizen engagement that was established

1243
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:30,980
at Drake in 2013 with a mission to

1244
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:33,289
inform citizens inspire creative

1245
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:35,329
cooperation and catalyze change on

1246
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:37,730
issues of social justice fairness and

1247
01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:39,710
opportunity and as our name suggests we

1248
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:42,529
have two primary goals the first is to

1249
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:44,509
produce high quality nonpartisan Public

1250
01:03:42,529 --> 01:03:47,239
Policy Research to help policymakers

1251
01:03:44,509 --> 01:03:49,609
make educated decisions the second is to

1252
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:51,319
engage the public in conversations that

1253
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:53,569
foster active and informed civic

1254
01:03:51,319 --> 01:03:55,849
participation so it's worth noting that

1255
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:58,519
we have several programs specifically

1256
01:03:55,849 --> 01:04:00,019
for Drake and Drake University students

1257
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,910
a large number of those participating in

1258
01:04:00,019 --> 01:04:03,230
our public programming are members of

1259
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:05,660
the Des Moines community at large in

1260
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:07,640
fact we brought nearly 11,000 people to

1261
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:09,499
campus since we came to drink and

1262
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,089
although we work around the globe we're

1263
01:04:09,499 --> 01:04:12,320
proud to be located in Des Moines and

1264
01:04:11,089 --> 01:04:13,490
we're proud of the

1265
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,260
money programming we're able to provide

1266
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:17,810
to our neighbors and our community

1267
01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:19,640
members much of our research and program

1268
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:21,890
is concentrated in for public policy

1269
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,590
areas to which Senator Harkin dedicated

1270
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:26,930
his career wellness and nutrition labor

1271
01:04:24,590 --> 01:04:29,240
and employment retirement security and

1272
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:30,800
of course people with disabilities and

1273
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,330
as you all know fighting for the rights

1274
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,340
of individuals with disabilities was a

1275
01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:36,680
hallmark of Senator Harkins career and

1276
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:38,990
it's an area we're proud to continue to

1277
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,280
work on at the Institute in particular

1278
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:42,560
the Institute has been focused on how we

1279
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,510
can help promote competitive integrated

1280
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:47,150
employment for people with disabilities

1281
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:48,770
around the world we partnered around the

1282
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:50,720
world with those who are working to

1283
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:52,730
tackle this challenge and Senator Harkin

1284
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,960
has set an ambitious goal that we will

1285
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:56,300
double the labor force participation

1286
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:59,780
rate among people with disabilities by

1287
01:04:56,300 --> 01:05:01,520
2027 it's not an easy task to get there

1288
01:04:59,780 --> 01:05:03,380
we need to completely rethink our

1289
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,420
approach to our workforce and we need to

1290
01:05:03,380 --> 01:05:07,150
be bold in our commitment to creating

1291
01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:10,400
spaces that are accessible to everyone

1292
01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:12,440
so the ADA a was signed 29 years ago but

1293
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,850
when it comes to building design too

1294
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,350
many people are still in the mindset of

1295
01:05:13,850 --> 01:05:17,180
providing the bare minimum to comply

1296
01:05:15,350 --> 01:05:19,100
with the law when we should be thinking

1297
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:21,860
of how we can create the most inclusive

1298
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:23,000
and accessible spaces possible so the

1299
01:05:21,860 --> 01:05:25,040
Harkin Institute we're constantly

1300
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,250
re-evaluating how we do things

1301
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:30,620
questioning ourselves and asking how we

1302
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:32,060
can make things more accessible whether

1303
01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:34,010
that's through our communications

1304
01:05:32,060 --> 01:05:36,020
materials our events or our public

1305
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:38,030
spaces and that's why we challenged our

1306
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:39,890
architect to create a space that serves

1307
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:42,080
is not just a model of inclusive design

1308
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:44,270
but also a challenge to others to

1309
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,620
rethink their own practices and how they

1310
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:48,170
can raise the bar when it comes to

1311
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:49,640
inclusion and equity lastly I want to

1312
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:52,280
highlight briefly one of the deliberate

1313
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,350
processes we undertook while designing

1314
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,210
this space there's a phrase in the

1315
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:58,520
disability community that's regularly

1316
01:05:56,210 --> 01:06:01,070
heard that is nothing about us without

1317
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,660
us and I cannot presume to know the most

1318
01:06:01,070 --> 01:06:04,850
important factors of an accessible space

1319
01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:07,220
for someone who is deaf or someone who

1320
01:06:04,850 --> 01:06:09,290
is blind or someone who is user of a

1321
01:06:07,220 --> 01:06:11,420
wheelchair but at the Institute we have

1322
01:06:09,290 --> 01:06:13,520
a disability policy committee made up of

1323
01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:15,650
15 experts in different areas of

1324
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,020
disability and most of whom have

1325
01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:20,270
disabilities themselves now ordinarily

1326
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:22,760
this groups responsibility is to help us

1327
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:24,810
with our policy research help us set our

1328
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,240
agenda but we knew how important

1329
01:06:24,810 --> 01:06:29,070
to get this building right so we along

1330
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,750
with Kevin our architect met with this

1331
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:32,670
group on multiple occasions to discuss

1332
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:34,230
with them directly what was most

1333
01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:36,090
important to them when it comes to the

1334
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:39,540
making the built environment not only

1335
01:06:36,090 --> 01:06:40,980
accessible but truly inclusive so you'll

1336
01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:42,600
see their feedback reflected in the

1337
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:45,330
building proposal you have before you in

1338
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,490
all sorts of ways so at the harken

1339
01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:50,010
Institute we have a tremendous legacy to

1340
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:52,230
live up to equitable access is immensely

1341
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:53,520
important to us it's not enough for us

1342
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:56,010
to meet the minimum standards of

1343
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,390
accessibility access and Universal

1344
01:06:56,010 --> 01:06:59,370
Design are at the heart of this building

1345
01:06:57,390 --> 01:07:02,130
as well as the Institute's mission and

1346
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:03,900
identity a place known for its work on

1347
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:06,480
behalf of persons with disabilities can

1348
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:07,920
do no less we need to create a space

1349
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,840
that is truly inclusive for all

1350
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,730
individuals a building that were drawn

1351
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,890
national attention as an iconic example

1352
01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:16,080
of universal design can serve as a model

1353
01:07:13,890 --> 01:07:17,970
for other organizations of how to create

1354
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,980
a work space and a space for public

1355
01:07:17,970 --> 01:07:22,260
gatherings that's welcoming for everyone

1356
01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:24,090
I'm gonna let Kevin tell you about the

1357
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:26,510
design elements and then we'll both take

1358
01:07:24,090 --> 01:07:26,510
your questions

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Thank You Joseph Kevin Nord Meyer BNIM

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01:07:31,459 --> 01:07:37,729
317 sixth Avenue in Des Moines

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01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:43,480
just very briefly because I know we're

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01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:48,220
running short of time I want to show you

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:50,590
a few pictures Eric already showed you

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01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:53,680
the property the the red outline there

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01:07:50,590 --> 01:07:58,500
is the property a few images from Google

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01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,500
Earth I should just point out that

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01:07:59,390 --> 01:08:05,570
if if zero is the elevation here this

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:10,100
parking is about five feet higher and

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01:08:05,570 --> 01:08:13,670
grade than the street at this point this

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01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:15,950
driveway ascends up five feet there's

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01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:17,750
parking in this zone right now that

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01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:18,560
provides some handicap parking for the

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01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:20,570
church

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01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,370
currently technically doesn't comply

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01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:24,530
with the side slopes because it was sort

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01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:28,310
of retrofitted to make that work at the

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01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:30,650
time but all of this area is sort of a

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01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:34,310
plateau about five five to six feet

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higher than University and 28th Street

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something just note I should mention too

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01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:46,160
that I do agree Drake does agree with

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01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:47,840
Eric and that the only issue we have

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:51,440
with the staff recommendations is this

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01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:54,170
notion of a an entrance on University we

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01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:56,120
we cannot accommodate that and and you

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01:08:54,170 --> 01:08:58,850
know I'll demonstrate why here in a

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:01,970
second we do also meet four of the five

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01:08:58,850 --> 01:09:04,280
criteria for you folks to grant

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01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:06,020
exceptions to the design guidelines we

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01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,410
have at a regular shaped site it's one

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01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:10,670
point eight eight acres we have

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01:09:08,410 --> 01:09:11,720
topography challenges and existing

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01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:15,230
buildings that we're all trying to

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:20,330
maintain so within the within the

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01:09:15,230 --> 01:09:22,340
ordinance we meet four or five of the of

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01:09:20,330 --> 01:09:25,820
the things that require or that allow

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01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:27,560
you to grant exceptions so again here is

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01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:29,240
the corner at 28th and university

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,610
looking Southwest this is the church

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:34,100
we're placing the building in this zone

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01:09:31,610 --> 01:09:38,780
right here and so you'll see here when

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01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:40,340
we drive in we're ascending grade so one

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01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:44,000
of the issues with the ordinance as it

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01:09:40,340 --> 01:09:46,580
stands right now is that by requiring

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,830
and for good reason by requiring an

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01:09:46,580 --> 01:09:51,830
entrance on on the north side at

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01:09:48,830 --> 01:09:54,530
University the ordinance actually

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01:09:51,830 --> 01:09:56,450
suggests parking on the rear side the

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01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:58,730
issue with everything that Joseph just

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01:09:56,450 --> 01:10:00,920
said with accessibility is that your

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01:09:58,730 --> 01:10:02,210
parking on the back side of the building

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,070
with an entrance on the north side of

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01:10:02,210 --> 01:10:06,770
the building and so for this particular

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01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:08,990
building not only is there a distance

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01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:10,640
issue just for any site related to that

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01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:12,320
there's an issue with this particular

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,750
site because there's a

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:17,000
for changing grade so you'll see in our

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01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:18,950
design solution how we tried to manage

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01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,590
that which requires us to move the

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01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:22,070
entrance off of University is the main

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01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:24,550
thing

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so for me I have multiple sclerosis and

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01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:30,620
for me I have to scope out ahead of time

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01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:32,360
if I'm gonna beat somebody I have to

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01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:33,740
scope out you know a couple of days in

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,080
advance what am I going to meet them

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01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:38,800
warming in a park how far do I have to

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:43,490
walk to get from parking to a front door

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,610
so here's another issue or another sight

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01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:49,190
image looking east and you can see the

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01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:51,200
great change here so the site plan that

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01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:57,980
Eric presented nears just a little

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:11:00,320
rendered version of that yes so Drake

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01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:03,830
University here here's the Harkin

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:06,710
Institute building the church and so we

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01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:08,570
are moving the drive and and managing

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01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:11,210
all redoing all of the grades in this

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01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:13,520
zone to flatten out the slope a little

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01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:15,530
bit and you'll see here rather than

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,300
place the building at the corner which

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01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:19,610
is what the ordinance would like like us

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01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:22,460
to do and have an entrance here and

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01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:25,400
parking here there's not a really good

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01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:28,100
way for a person like me that can still

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:31,100
walk thankfully to get to the front door

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01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:35,270
even though the front door is accessible

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01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:37,130
to University in for transit folks you

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01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:39,170
know walking on the sidewalk those of us

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01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:40,550
those of us with disabilities will have

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01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:43,340
a challenge getting to that front door

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01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:45,920
so what we did is the first thing we did

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01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:48,200
is we slid the building west by sliding

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01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:51,650
the building west we've created this

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01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:53,690
this public plaza space that absolutely

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01:11:51,650 --> 01:11:56,330
has a wonderful presence and you'll see

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01:11:53,690 --> 01:11:58,370
here in a second to university and it's

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01:11:56,330 --> 01:12:01,599
creating that front door experience for

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01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:03,159
us off of the University Avenue in

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01:12:01,599 --> 01:12:04,780
key thing here though is that this was

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01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:07,659
initial concepts we had from the

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01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:09,880
beginning the parking here is handicap

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01:12:07,659 --> 01:12:11,860
parking right by the front door rather

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,199
than parking anywhere in this zone

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01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:16,570
having to walk around the building to a

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01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:20,310
front door over here distance distance

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01:12:16,570 --> 01:12:23,199
does matter and so that's one thing

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01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:24,849
ordinances and city plants don't account

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01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:26,380
for appropriately as the distance

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01:12:24,849 --> 01:12:29,530
someone has to walk from a parking stall

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01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:32,770
the front door so we are trying to

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01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:34,630
manage that very well right here all of

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01:12:32,770 --> 01:12:37,030
the visitors for this building will park

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01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:38,829
back here staff will park back here and

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01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:40,239
over in this parking over here so

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01:12:38,829 --> 01:12:41,380
everyone's a lot of people for this

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01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:43,659
building will be coming from this

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01:12:41,380 --> 01:12:45,639
direction and that's why we felt the

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01:12:43,659 --> 01:12:48,040
best and most appropriate and gracious

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01:12:45,639 --> 01:12:52,590
accessible entry is at that southeast

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:55,210
corner the other thing to note here is

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there's a visual access from Drake

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01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:59,739
University

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01:12:56,050 --> 01:13:02,920
there's also visual access from the

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01:12:59,739 --> 01:13:05,020
building from University Avenue and by

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,360
creating this public plaza here

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01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:09,639
it absolutely accentuates and connects

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01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,530
the front door to university without

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01:13:09,639 --> 01:13:14,909
having a door literally on the front

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01:13:11,530 --> 01:13:19,199
facade of the building two universities

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01:13:14,909 --> 01:13:19,199
the floor plan is it relates

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01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:26,520
when you enter the building here through

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01:13:23,489 --> 01:13:29,940
sliding doors there's a ramp there's one

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:32,820
stair and then there's this ramp that

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01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:35,520
can take you up on this journey to the

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01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:37,679
upper floor and so the reason I'm

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,179
showing you that is that this will

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01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:44,940
probably be one of the only buildings in

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01:13:39,179 --> 01:13:47,520
the country that has this feature and it

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01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:50,580
presents itself again on the north side

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01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:54,840
of the building here and this is a

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01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:57,929
gallery space celebrating the Institute

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01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,659
tommmartens legacy and so forth in that

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01:13:57,929 --> 01:14:03,300
zone all of this is glass presenting

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01:14:00,659 --> 01:14:06,719
itself to university so here's a picture

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01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:09,719
of that I'm one of the zoom out just a

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01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:12,449
minute so this is standing on university

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01:14:09,719 --> 01:14:15,540
looking back at the building and staff

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01:14:12,449 --> 01:14:16,739
didn't really have this picture when

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01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:18,000
they made some of their comments they

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01:14:16,739 --> 01:14:20,580
might have made different comments they

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,590
wouldn't have seen this but what we're

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01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:24,750
doing is celebrating that ramp on the

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01:14:22,590 --> 01:14:27,690
exterior as well so you can see that

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01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:31,469
ramp inside here and presenting itself

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01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:33,750
on the outside at the top so this ramp

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01:14:31,469 --> 01:14:35,850
as it extends around extends back it

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01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:40,530
becomes a canopy to the main front door

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01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:42,360
back here this is a rendition of you

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01:14:40,530 --> 01:14:43,710
know some trees maybe a sculpture and

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,070
some other things out front in this

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01:14:43,710 --> 01:14:49,380
Plaza space so the door itself even

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01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:52,320
though it is on the back corner it

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01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:55,139
clearly has a presence to do University

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01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,030
Avenue all of this is glass that the

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01:14:55,139 --> 01:14:59,100
staff report mentioned the glass is

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01:14:57,030 --> 01:15:02,010
predominantly at the first floor that's

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01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:03,270
not true you can see here the glass most

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01:15:02,010 --> 01:15:06,370
of this building is glass and

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01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:10,390
transparent you can see in and engage in

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01:15:06,370 --> 01:15:12,400
dynamic building to university this is

1532
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:16,000
looking from campus to the building so

1533
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:18,010
again here you can see the ramp you know

1534
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,540
in the building and extending through so

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01:15:18,010 --> 01:15:23,350
there's some dynamic engagement between

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01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:26,500
the building and the the street on

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01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:29,470
campus and then this is a view from

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01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:31,530
those handicap parking stalls to this

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01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:34,060
front door and how the front door

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01:15:31,530 --> 01:15:38,050
through this sidewalk of Plaza connects

1541
01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:40,990
back to university over here just lastly

1542
01:15:38,050 --> 01:15:42,490
some pictures of the interior this is

1543
01:15:40,990 --> 01:15:44,830
when you walk in the front door and you

1544
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:46,390
can start to see the ramp as it extends

1545
01:15:44,830 --> 01:15:49,750
around the boardroom it starts to come

1546
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:51,310
up along University Avenue here standing

1547
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:54,370
at the top of the landing above the main

1548
01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:58,840
entrance looking back toward Olmsted and

1549
01:15:54,370 --> 01:16:01,540
the main campus there and then another

1550
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:04,000
view looking back toward the library

1551
01:16:01,540 --> 01:16:06,610
Kohl's library cold means sits back here

1552
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,720
and so there's a real dynamic engagement

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01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:10,120
between the building and the street

1554
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:14,050
without having a door literally on the

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:16,830
front elevation on the sidewalk and with

1556
01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:16,830
that will entertain any questions

1557
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:20,100
questions

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:26,159
yes Gavin what's the distance from

1559
01:16:23,249 --> 01:16:28,409
university to the facade of the building

1560
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:31,679
the the dimension from the sidewalk to

1561
01:16:28,409 --> 01:16:33,719
the front door sure do leave front door

1562
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:35,909
well I'm talking about University yeah

1563
01:16:33,719 --> 01:16:39,419
what's the building setback hold the

1564
01:16:35,909 --> 01:16:40,949
building setback we're at the the right

1565
01:16:39,419 --> 01:16:43,139
away line I believe are very close to

1566
01:16:40,949 --> 01:16:44,130
the right away line at the sidewalk this

1567
01:16:43,139 --> 01:16:46,439
is the front of the building

1568
01:16:44,130 --> 01:16:49,979
the other issue the other issue too is

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:52,380
is that we're trying to create a safer

1570
01:16:49,979 --> 01:16:54,749
more gracious and welcoming environment

1571
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:56,849
for those with disabilities and by

1572
01:16:54,749 --> 01:16:59,729
providing as much handicapped parking as

1573
01:16:56,849 --> 01:17:01,800
we can on the south side um it's a safer

1574
01:16:59,729 --> 01:17:03,419
environment if we're lucky enough to get

1575
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,699
a handicap stall on the university side

1576
01:17:03,419 --> 01:17:08,340
it's kind of a dangerous proposition to

1577
01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:12,809
be able to get out on that busy street

1578
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:14,760
and get to the front door Oh Kevin hi

1579
01:17:12,809 --> 01:17:18,889
can you put up your floor plan again

1580
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,889
your first first floor or foreplay

1581
01:17:32,489 --> 01:17:36,630
white PowerPoint is invented

1582
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:44,640
this is interesting and so that you do

1583
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:47,040
have an elevator right yes we have a

1584
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,970
ramp at the stair and then the elevator

1585
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:53,310
is a two sided elevator handicapped or a

1586
01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:55,320
hospital sized elevator so it's got a

1587
01:17:53,310 --> 01:17:57,240
door in each end with the strategy there

1588
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,190
is given by our accessibility committee

1589
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,720
is that two people could we along with

1590
01:17:59,190 --> 01:18:02,280
their wheelchairs go up stairs and wheel

1591
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,340
off without having to turn around and

1592
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:07,800
manage themselves and thank you do you

1593
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:09,900
mind putting up again the rendering I'll

1594
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,860
call it the money shot the rendering

1595
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:12,860
yeah that one

1596
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:17,970
Hey

1597
01:18:16,410 --> 01:18:19,890
what I was thinking of thinking about

1598
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:22,790
and so this might be more of a dialogue

1599
01:18:19,890 --> 01:18:25,740
than a question I don't know yet but um

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01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:29,330
you know the intent I think with putting

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01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:33,420
doors on facades on streets is to create

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01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:38,550
activity you know to try and not have

1603
01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:43,500
blank lifeless sort of elevations and we

1604
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:45,630
all understand that so this is a super

1605
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,670
helpful image I appreciate the image

1606
01:18:45,630 --> 01:18:50,310
what I was thinking about what I saw

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01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:52,320
this it wasn't long ago that I was in

1608
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:53,670
New York and went up the Guggenheim for

1609
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:57,810
the first time I'd never been there

1610
01:18:53,670 --> 01:18:59,130
before and seen all the pictures read

1611
01:18:57,810 --> 01:19:02,570
the books but you know when he actually

1612
01:18:59,130 --> 01:19:05,730
experienced the ramp it's very powerful

1613
01:19:02,570 --> 01:19:07,110
and so when I saw this and you put it up

1614
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:10,080
I just kept thinking wow what a

1615
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:11,910
celebration kind of you know if the ramp

1616
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,490
was almost hoping you didn't have an

1617
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:19,560
elevator so then everybody had to use

1618
01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:22,830
the ramp and but so I guess my point in

1619
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:25,290
this is I appreciate a couple things

1620
01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:27,930
you've done here it absolutely is full

1621
01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:30,480
life and I know you well enough to know

1622
01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:33,320
that you know this class will be very

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01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,320
transparent

1624
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:39,960
and I think that's very powerful and

1625
01:19:37,650 --> 01:19:42,540
then that one drawing you had that

1626
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,889
showed sort of the connection I'm sure

1627
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,409
it was very thoughtful for you guys

1628
01:19:43,889 --> 01:19:50,250
about where the RAM protrudes out at the

1629
01:19:46,409 --> 01:19:52,440
top and it's kind of sort of on axis at

1630
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:55,949
least visually on axis coming down

1631
01:19:52,440 --> 01:20:01,440
through the campus heading south I think

1632
01:19:55,949 --> 01:20:02,579
that's fantastic sort of celebration so

1633
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:04,500
even though you don't have a front door

1634
01:20:02,579 --> 01:20:05,820
I just have to believe everybody going

1635
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:07,770
by is going to want to go in they're

1636
01:20:05,820 --> 01:20:13,290
gonna want to figure out what's going on

1637
01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:16,470
inside and that's really awesome so I I

1638
01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:17,659
think you guys have solved this well

1639
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:20,969
[Music]

1640
01:20:17,659 --> 01:20:23,579
thank you given I have one question on

1641
01:20:20,969 --> 01:20:25,139
the drawing it looks like the you said

1642
01:20:23,579 --> 01:20:27,000
there currently there's a grade change

1643
01:20:25,139 --> 01:20:28,980
but on the elevations you were showing

1644
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,719
it looked like pretty much the whole

1645
01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:33,150
building is kind of flattening the site

1646
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:34,829
between the grade and and back what is

1647
01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:36,599
the great difference at the west end of

1648
01:20:34,829 --> 01:20:38,250
the building from the sidewalk to the

1649
01:20:36,599 --> 01:20:44,390
entrance on the west side of your

1650
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:47,420
building you can ask that question yeah

1651
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:49,580
so from University sidewalk we're

1652
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:52,400
talking about a future bus stop being

1653
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:55,250
midpoint of 29th and 28th somewhere in

1654
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:58,640
there is there not the ability to make a

1655
01:20:55,250 --> 01:21:00,260
sidewalk connection from university to

1656
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,510
that sidewalk on the west side of your

1657
01:21:00,260 --> 01:21:05,720
building and allow access into that

1658
01:21:02,510 --> 01:21:07,550
building because not every person will

1659
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,580
drive to the site there could be a

1660
01:21:07,550 --> 01:21:13,310
mobility challenged visitor a patron who

1661
01:21:10,580 --> 01:21:15,200
rides the bus so could they not have

1662
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:17,750
access to the west side of the building

1663
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:20,030
too to get in I saw your floorplan it

1664
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:22,520
looked like that was all level at grade

1665
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:26,360
and we'd go back to the ramp so let me

1666
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:28,370
describe that so from here to here rises

1667
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,360
5 feet and it still does because these

1668
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:32,510
grades don't change

1669
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:34,640
so we're rising up what we're doing here

1670
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:37,520
is you're right we're carving this down

1671
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,080
so this is sloping down sort of in this

1672
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,730
direction we're doing all of our storm

1673
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,650
water management is sustainably done

1674
01:21:40,730 --> 01:21:44,930
with green infrastructure practices so

1675
01:21:42,650 --> 01:21:46,820
all of the stormwater from the roof and

1676
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:50,240
from the parking is all being managed in

1677
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:53,090
some tidal swells around the site this

1678
01:21:50,240 --> 01:22:01,520
is one actually here to this sidewalk

1679
01:21:53,090 --> 01:22:06,350
then is not a ramp this again so that

1680
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:09,590
sidewalk slopes at less than one in 20

1681
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:10,400
so it's not even a ramp to get down to

1682
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:12,920
that door

1683
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,690
so they answer your question yes someone

1684
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:17,480
might-- get off a bus here that's in a

1685
01:22:14,690 --> 01:22:19,160
wheelchair for example we don't

1686
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:20,810
necessarily want them to come into this

1687
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,280
door this door currently the way we're

1688
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:24,700
planning it with Drake University is

1689
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,960
that that's a keycard access for staff

1690
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:29,540
that's why we weren't bothering to put a

1691
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,190
sidewalk to university because you know

1692
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:32,390
staff and visitors your parking back

1693
01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:34,070
here phenomenally there's actually a

1694
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:36,380
handicapped staff person in a wheelchair

1695
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:38,360
as part of their staff that probably can

1696
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:41,179
park here and come down here and enter

1697
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:44,630
that point but if they're already

1698
01:22:41,179 --> 01:22:46,909
traveling a distance anyway getting off

1699
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:48,590
a bus here we still want to come over

1700
01:22:46,909 --> 01:22:51,230
here predominantly for the reason of

1701
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:53,210
access and control they don't have a

1702
01:22:51,230 --> 01:22:55,580
huge staff and so there's a visitor or a

1703
01:22:53,210 --> 01:22:58,310
guest volunteer at the front door to

1704
01:22:55,580 --> 01:23:00,770
greet that person if you have to public

1705
01:22:58,310 --> 01:23:03,020
entrances it becomes a security security

1706
01:23:00,770 --> 01:23:06,320
issue yes our suggestion was more online

1707
01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:08,239
of I'd be willing to not have a door

1708
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:12,830
directly on University this would be a

1709
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:14,630
fairly minor revision possibly a call

1710
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:16,489
button for someone that goes to that

1711
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:19,070
door for someone to come in and let them

1712
01:23:16,489 --> 01:23:21,050
into that door on a shorter path from a

1713
01:23:19,070 --> 01:23:22,670
bus stop than taking them the entire

1714
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:24,949
length of the building and then into the

1715
01:23:22,670 --> 01:23:27,619
farthest farthest point on the building

1716
01:23:24,949 --> 01:23:29,929
from the bus stop there's this isn't the

1717
01:23:27,619 --> 01:23:32,179
only bus stop there's also a bus stop

1718
01:23:29,929 --> 01:23:33,139
plant here and I'll stop playing here so

1719
01:23:32,179 --> 01:23:35,810
there's people coming from all

1720
01:23:33,139 --> 01:23:37,820
directions not just one right so folks

1721
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:41,630
that are coming into these bus stops you

1722
01:23:37,820 --> 01:23:43,699
know are coming to this door so to

1723
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:46,090
answer your question one one building

1724
01:23:43,699 --> 01:23:49,580
and I believe it's also Drake's it's the

1725
01:23:46,090 --> 01:23:51,500
the legal clinic I've gone to meetings

1726
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:54,199
there before upstairs in the boardroom

1727
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:55,460
the library that has what exactly what

1728
01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:57,350
you're talking about and the issue with

1729
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:59,840
that for a guy like me that is disabled

1730
01:23:57,350 --> 01:24:02,179
I can park in the handicapped spot by

1731
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:05,300
the back door the back door has a call

1732
01:24:02,179 --> 01:24:07,369
button like that but the person it's

1733
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:09,350
it's just it's not convenient

1734
01:24:07,369 --> 01:24:11,150
it's a secondhand door treats me

1735
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:12,679
differently than other people I got to

1736
01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:14,750
go around to the front door which has

1737
01:24:12,679 --> 01:24:16,159
steps then that's the one they want

1738
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:20,750
people to go to because that's the front

1739
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:21,710
door and in the buzzer the buzzer system

1740
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:24,139
does not work on that particular

1741
01:24:21,710 --> 01:24:26,690
building so I don't know that that's

1742
01:24:24,139 --> 01:24:30,830
necessarily a solution I appreciate your

1743
01:24:26,690 --> 01:24:32,540
comment I appreciate your comment that

1744
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:33,500
in the in the spirit of what we're

1745
01:24:32,540 --> 01:24:35,719
trying to do we want to give people

1746
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:38,659
universal access everywhere but that

1747
01:24:35,719 --> 01:24:40,580
particular door is meant as a secured

1748
01:24:38,659 --> 01:24:42,080
access for a controller please don't

1749
01:24:40,580 --> 01:24:44,480
take my comment says wanting to treat

1750
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,849
someone's right differently I have a

1751
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:49,580
father who's who's disabled and and

1752
01:24:46,849 --> 01:24:50,840
distance is a huge issue so my question

1753
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:51,500
was just is there the ability to

1754
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,890
accommodate

1755
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:56,650
within your existing design for someone

1756
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:58,670
who would ride a bus to this facility

1757
01:24:56,650 --> 01:25:00,260
someone that gets off the next stop

1758
01:24:58,670 --> 01:25:01,970
could still use that door on the south

1759
01:25:00,260 --> 01:25:06,260
side but if somebody gets off at that

1760
01:25:01,970 --> 01:25:08,480
far west edge of your property doesn't

1761
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:10,190
know that there's not entrance there

1762
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,600
they're walking the entire length of the

1763
01:25:10,190 --> 01:25:13,070
building and back to the furthest point

1764
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,250
on the building so those are the

1765
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:18,710
questions thank you

1766
01:25:15,250 --> 01:25:20,330
Kevin I have a question as the

1767
01:25:18,710 --> 01:25:22,460
circulation around the building and

1768
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:25,390
someone is parked in the main parking

1769
01:25:22,460 --> 01:25:28,250
lot how do they get to the front door

1770
01:25:25,390 --> 01:25:31,070
and parking this is that parking this is

1771
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:33,710
an early early plan but they would walk

1772
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:36,470
to there's a sidewalk connection here

1773
01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:39,080
and down okay thank you and swore they

1774
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:41,840
can come here and down secondly how

1775
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:43,250
white is the sidewalk and then boy we're

1776
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,500
getting into details but I'm just

1777
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:47,210
curious because you are going to have I

1778
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:49,400
think a lot of people going from

1779
01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:51,890
University and walking or their steps

1780
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,560
that come up and head toward the main

1781
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:55,100
door from university as one walks to the

1782
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,730
south

1783
01:25:55,100 --> 01:26:00,010
[Music]

1784
01:25:57,730 --> 01:26:04,780
on the east side of the Big East Side

1785
01:26:00,010 --> 01:26:06,820
yes this is all flat so we quite get to

1786
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:09,190
the from that front from the main

1787
01:26:06,820 --> 01:26:12,820
entrance or the building down the

1788
01:26:09,190 --> 01:26:14,620
university I see I think I saw there's a

1789
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:16,600
sidewalk here there's also a sidewalk

1790
01:26:14,620 --> 01:26:18,160
here further no steps in that well

1791
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,780
there's no steps completely is

1792
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,300
completely we were grading the whole

1793
01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:25,360
area right Rob I've been somewhat

1794
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:28,690
confused about the grade so you're able

1795
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:31,390
to go from University directly to that

1796
01:26:28,690 --> 01:26:34,239
main entrance yeah yeah so this is a

1797
01:26:31,390 --> 01:26:37,090
major crosswalk here and this is a major

1798
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:40,060
crosswalk here but yeah this this were

1799
01:26:37,090 --> 01:26:41,590
flattening out so that I can pull in

1800
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:45,489
here and this is all pretty much flat

1801
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:46,870
yeah thank you okay other questions I

1802
01:26:45,489 --> 01:26:48,940
have a comment

1803
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:50,739
Thomas it was interesting when Greg was

1804
01:26:48,940 --> 01:26:53,620
talking about the Guggenheim I think

1805
01:26:50,739 --> 01:26:55,960
everybody thought that you know and in

1806
01:26:53,620 --> 01:26:58,780
mind but you know that's a post-world

1807
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:01,900
War two building and here in Des Moines

1808
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:03,550
in the 1920s there was the same concept

1809
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:05,920
that I think it was Proudfoot and Byrd

1810
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:08,500
when they designed Smouse what's now

1811
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:14,020
espouse opportunity school there's the

1812
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:15,880
same kind of a level ramp for the same

1813
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:18,190
reason I don't know if the the slope

1814
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:20,410
would conform with very no current day

1815
01:27:18,190 --> 01:27:23,050
standards but Des Moines wasn't without

1816
01:27:20,410 --> 01:27:25,570
interest in the same thing many years

1817
01:27:23,050 --> 01:27:27,670
ago and as you mentioned that the butler

1818
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:30,670
mansion too has a has a ramp that

1819
01:27:27,670 --> 01:27:31,270
connects all levels as well well one one

1820
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:34,090
last question

1821
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:37,780
I've seen some planning efforts up and

1822
01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:40,390
down the street for various street trees

1823
01:27:37,780 --> 01:27:42,760
I think it's I think I'm not exactly

1824
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:44,290
sure what it all was and I'm how do you

1825
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,940
know of that and are you guys

1826
01:27:44,290 --> 01:27:50,350
coordinating with that in here is that

1827
01:27:45,940 --> 01:27:55,350
not going anywhere yes so what I can

1828
01:27:50,350 --> 01:27:55,350
show you just very quickly ah is

1829
01:27:55,400 --> 01:28:01,880
this is the streetscape plan that Drake

1830
01:27:59,330 --> 01:28:05,150
has been working on thank you for the

1831
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:07,940
area so here it is Harkin here's the bus

1832
01:28:05,150 --> 01:28:11,179
stop here those bus stops for example

1833
01:28:07,940 --> 01:28:12,860
here's the hotel that Mike Nelson is

1834
01:28:11,179 --> 01:28:16,639
doing which we've been working on that

1835
01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:18,260
as well and so this shows that the plan

1836
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:20,060
for that whole area so there's

1837
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:21,739
streetscaping going on there's medians

1838
01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:24,820
that are going to be added for slow down

1839
01:28:21,739 --> 01:28:28,639
traffic and so for its own genus

1840
01:28:24,820 --> 01:28:30,080
Landscape Architects are not only doing

1841
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:32,599
all of this but they've been the

1842
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,969
landscape architect for this and this

1843
01:28:32,599 --> 01:28:37,130
and so they're coordinating all that so

1844
01:28:34,969 --> 01:28:39,619
with your project will you be able to do

1845
01:28:37,130 --> 01:28:41,570
both the bump outs across the street or

1846
01:28:39,619 --> 01:28:44,179
just the one on your side just the one

1847
01:28:41,570 --> 01:28:46,849
on our side but Drake is proceeding with

1848
01:28:44,179 --> 01:28:50,900
the streetscape work fairly soon I

1849
01:28:46,849 --> 01:28:52,040
believe Thanks okay other questions all

1850
01:28:50,900 --> 01:28:54,590
right thank you

1851
01:28:52,040 --> 01:29:01,429
is there anyone else here to speak in

1852
01:28:54,590 --> 01:29:04,520
favor of the applicant okay anyone here

1853
01:29:01,429 --> 01:29:08,810
to speak um in opposition of the

1854
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:10,210
applicant ok I'll close the public

1855
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:12,830
hearing

1856
01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:15,170
discussion

1857
01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:17,930
Alma's staff with the exception that

1858
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:24,410
they're not being entrance on University

1859
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:26,180
I guess I've got a second okay it's been

1860
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:29,800
moved and seconded all in favor raise

1861
01:29:26,180 --> 01:29:29,800
your right hand

1862
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:35,950
okay opposed

1863
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,950
I'm Stan

1864
01:29:36,010 --> 01:29:44,489
okay it's passed thank you

1865
01:29:41,489 --> 01:29:50,939
he knew I wore this blue outfit for

1866
01:29:44,489 --> 01:29:56,219
something today sorry kid he wore blue

1867
01:29:50,939 --> 01:30:00,719
for you Tom mr. harken okay we'll turn

1868
01:29:56,219 --> 01:30:02,519
our attention to 11:00 city initiated

1869
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:04,800
request to give a segment of Rollins

1870
01:30:02,519 --> 01:30:07,229
Street between 41st Street and 42nd

1871
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,979
Street an honorarium name of John Fire

1872
01:30:07,229 --> 01:30:13,559
Street and I think Tyler did you pass

1873
01:30:10,979 --> 01:30:15,840
around those Tyler's gonna pass around

1874
01:30:13,559 --> 01:30:18,329
some letters that we got as well so

1875
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,400
there was a notification area but in

1876
01:30:18,329 --> 01:30:22,619
addition to that we got several letters

1877
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,510
of comment from people that are outside

1878
01:30:22,619 --> 01:30:27,949
of the immediate area that I want to

1879
01:30:24,510 --> 01:30:27,949
make sure the Commission gets to see

1880
01:30:31,740 --> 01:30:46,180
thank you and I'll try to make this as

1881
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:48,580
simple as possible this was initiated

1882
01:30:46,180 --> 01:30:54,150
through inquiry by one of our City

1883
01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:58,000
Council people to our street addressing

1884
01:30:54,150 --> 01:31:00,700
committee to consider a honorary street

1885
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,970
name for John Byers Street on a segment

1886
01:31:00,700 --> 01:31:05,680
of Rollins Street north of the plate

1887
01:31:03,970 --> 01:31:09,520
house building and south of the

1888
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:14,050
Roosevelt Shops at Roosevelt development

1889
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:17,620
so segment we're talking about is right

1890
01:31:14,050 --> 01:31:21,460
here one block stretch between 41st and

1891
01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:24,100
42nd Street and the recommendation of

1892
01:31:21,460 --> 01:31:27,310
that committee was not to name it

1893
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:30,640
because the policy set for street naming

1894
01:31:27,310 --> 01:31:32,530
by the City Council and included that

1895
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:37,720
Street shouldn't be named after people

1896
01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:39,610
unless it's put posthumously so that's

1897
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:42,400
that's what's in front of you right now

1898
01:31:39,610 --> 01:31:44,530
is the consideration of an honorary name

1899
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,660
it doesn't affect addressing it doesn't

1900
01:31:44,530 --> 01:31:51,400
affect you know what goes on Google

1901
01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:53,110
Earth but it would include signage in

1902
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:56,080
addition to the street signage for

1903
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:59,050
Rollins Street if it's granted so that

1904
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:00,970
would be the main difference I don't

1905
01:31:59,050 --> 01:32:04,000
think anybody on staff is challenging

1906
01:32:00,970 --> 01:32:05,860
the worthiness of the honorary name or

1907
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,870
anything like that so it's simply down

1908
01:32:05,860 --> 01:32:10,660
to what the addressing committee did in

1909
01:32:07,870 --> 01:32:12,670
applying the policy of the council of

1910
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:14,320
course the City Council will take this

1911
01:32:12,670 --> 01:32:17,020
up for the final decision and they

1912
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:19,290
certainly can waive their own policies

1913
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:19,290
so

1914
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:28,920
discussions questions how long has this

1915
01:32:25,290 --> 01:32:31,430
policy been in effect you know I don't

1916
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:34,050
think it's been that terribly long

1917
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:36,300
because certainly we've you know named

1918
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:39,000
other streets after people that were in

1919
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:41,550
the living also living in a building

1920
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:45,120
that is named effort or a gentleman that

1921
01:32:41,550 --> 01:32:52,800
still lives yes we are yes we are okay

1922
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:55,050
that's a building them both George Flagg

1923
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:58,170
Parkway and Robert DeRay were named

1924
01:32:55,050 --> 01:33:01,350
officially not honorary officially named

1925
01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:03,630
changed those streets with names of

1926
01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:04,920
living individuals it's just in my

1927
01:33:03,630 --> 01:33:06,540
opinion it seems like if you're trying

1928
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,220
to honor someone who'd be nice to honor

1929
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:10,830
them while they're alive and they know

1930
01:33:08,220 --> 01:33:16,440
it so I didn't I wasn't aware of that

1931
01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:21,780
policy but other questions discussion is

1932
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:24,810
the applicant here again this is city

1933
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:26,940
initiated so there may be individuals

1934
01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:29,760
here that are that want to express their

1935
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:31,230
opinion but this was generated through

1936
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,810
an inquiry by a council member to our

1937
01:33:31,230 --> 01:33:36,710
addressing committee and we're obligated

1938
01:33:33,810 --> 01:33:41,550
to push it forward base okay thank you

1939
01:33:36,710 --> 01:33:48,750
want to speak in favor of this yes okay

1940
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:50,400
please come up no for the request you're

1941
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:53,520
supporting the request okay good okay

1942
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:55,620
and so your David I know you Britt David

1943
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,360
in your address yeah sure my name is

1944
01:33:55,620 --> 01:34:00,150
David Kilpatrick executive director of

1945
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,220
Des Moines community Playhouse 831 42nd

1946
01:34:00,150 --> 01:34:04,200
Street here in Des Moines and it was

1947
01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:05,970
just an opportunity that I had presented

1948
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,740
to one of our board members it said we

1949
01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:10,440
would like to honor an individual who's

1950
01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:12,510
contributed so much not only internally

1951
01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:14,640
to the theater and not only nationally

1952
01:34:12,510 --> 01:34:16,860
to the you know community theater

1953
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,420
organizations but also just to Des

1954
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:21,030
Moines and the community of Des Moines

1955
01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:22,650
and he's retiring after 37 years of

1956
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:24,840
service and we thought we were looking

1957
01:34:22,650 --> 01:34:27,300
for something special something unique

1958
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:29,070
that not anybody else could enjoy or

1959
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:30,840
recognize and we would like to do it

1960
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:33,030
while he was alive and we were not aware

1961
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,920
of the posthumous requirement when we

1962
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:37,020
made the request but we just really

1963
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,550
appreciate the support that Erik's given

1964
01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:39,990
to us and understanding he has to follow

1965
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:41,730
the rules he has to follow and we

1966
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:46,230
appreciate that and we just humbly

1967
01:34:41,730 --> 01:34:46,800
request it yeah so good questions okay

1968
01:34:46,230 --> 01:34:51,240
thanks

1969
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:54,470
thank you mister um anyone else want a

1970
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:57,350
speech about this

1971
01:34:54,470 --> 01:35:03,000
okay I'll close the public hearing I

1972
01:34:57,350 --> 01:35:10,950
moved Naima Street in memory as we have

1973
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:15,260
been asked to do and with respect to the

1974
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:17,640
honoree okay very gates been moved

1975
01:35:15,260 --> 01:35:19,620
across the street at the shops at

1976
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:23,550
Roosevelt I would love the second

1977
01:35:19,620 --> 01:35:25,170
message on buyers has done marvels for

1978
01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:28,290
the Des Moines Playhouse in that whole

1979
01:35:25,170 --> 01:35:31,140
area that's just it's great great

1980
01:35:28,290 --> 01:35:38,010
property okay great it's been moved and

1981
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:40,100
seconded all in favor opposed any

1982
01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:40,100
abstentions

1983
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:54,420
item passed we're gonna adjourn don't we

1984
01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:56,430
adjourn and then you have the sorry our

1985
01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:57,720
next meeting is at 4 o'clock searching

1986
01:35:56,430 --> 01:36:00,710
for because we're going to be go over

1987
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,550
going over the draft zoning ordinance

1988
01:36:00,710 --> 01:36:08,100
public hearing draft of the zoning

1989
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:09,600
Board's document we have not we just we

1990
01:36:08,100 --> 01:36:12,870
discussed it at the last meeting right

1991
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:15,480
availability the next two meetings we

1992
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:18,390
agreed to meet 4 to 6 p.m. to discuss

1993
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:19,620
the draft zoning code that public

1994
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:22,320
hearing draft will be released tomorrow

1995
01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:26,520
at noon on the city's website that plan

1996
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:29,459
dsm work so on the website will be the

1997
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:32,039
the ordinance itself the

1998
01:36:29,459 --> 01:36:36,269
and site planning and design ordinances

1999
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:39,209
which are chapters 134 and 135 also on

2000
01:36:36,269 --> 01:36:41,849
there is a will be a link to an

2001
01:36:39,209 --> 01:36:44,969
interactive zoning map that just like

2002
01:36:41,849 --> 01:36:47,880
the find my house on the city's website

2003
01:36:44,969 --> 01:36:50,550
you can type in an address and it'll

2004
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:52,309
take you to the property on the map and

2005
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:56,070
you can toggle back and forth between

2006
01:36:52,309 --> 01:36:58,229
the current zoning proposed zoning if

2007
01:36:56,070 --> 01:37:01,189
you click on the parcel it brings up

2008
01:36:58,229 --> 01:37:02,969
links to the zoning code itself or that

2009
01:37:01,189 --> 01:37:06,389
information where you can get to that

2010
01:37:02,969 --> 01:37:11,010
district information and then the

2011
01:37:06,389 --> 01:37:12,420
schedule draft schedule that I had shown

2012
01:37:11,010 --> 01:37:14,999
at the last meeting which has been

2013
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:17,219
updated slightly is on there as well so

2014
01:37:14,999 --> 01:37:20,010
there's a wealth of information that

2015
01:37:17,219 --> 01:37:24,449
will be on the agenda on the website at

2016
01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:26,369
noon tomorrow we have sent the document

2017
01:37:24,449 --> 01:37:30,479
to the printer and I hope to get you a

2018
01:37:26,369 --> 01:37:33,780
paper copy of the document prior to your

2019
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:35,999
workshop but I didn't have it today so

2020
01:37:33,780 --> 01:37:38,820
the release is tomorrow on the document

2021
01:37:35,999 --> 01:37:45,119
so we'll get that to you quickly and

2022
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:47,670
prior to your workshop now good soaps

2023
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:49,650
but more important it rain tomorrow it

2024
01:37:47,670 --> 01:37:51,300
gets released and I have people call me

2025
01:37:49,650 --> 01:37:55,019
and I go well what does this mean is

2026
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:59,489
this like a done deal or how can i yeah

2027
01:37:55,019 --> 01:38:02,369
absolutely yeah absolutely

2028
01:37:59,489 --> 01:38:04,889
this is not not the finally we have six

2029
01:38:02,369 --> 01:38:07,650
months of public hearings okay ahead of

2030
01:38:04,889 --> 01:38:11,400
us on this code so there are at least

2031
01:38:07,650 --> 01:38:14,760
ten public meetings between public unit

2032
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:16,769
and the workshop they contend steering

2033
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,969
committee meeting states come to the

2034
01:38:16,769 --> 01:38:20,159
Planning Commission hearings where you

2035
01:38:17,969 --> 01:38:23,820
actually take public comment we have two

2036
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:25,920
of those and then there's three council

2037
01:38:23,820 --> 01:38:27,269
for council meetings so if you're gonna

2038
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,690
release that tomorrow would be really

2039
01:38:27,269 --> 01:38:30,820
great that we had like

2040
01:38:28,690 --> 01:38:32,590
that just simply said yes neighbors this

2041
01:38:30,820 --> 01:38:34,120
is how you can plug in so even if

2042
01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:36,580
somebody could just type in a purse I

2043
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:38,860
mean quick email that says yeah what we

2044
01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:41,020
have is uh we gave some talking points

2045
01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:42,070
we had a meeting with Des Moines

2046
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:43,210
business record and the Des Moines

2047
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:45,130
Register and we gave them just some

2048
01:38:43,210 --> 01:38:47,770
talking points on it I can forward that

2049
01:38:45,130 --> 01:38:49,600
out to you tomorrow as well and really

2050
01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:52,090
the reality has direct people to the

2051
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:56,140
plan DSM org website because that is

2052
01:38:52,090 --> 01:38:59,860
where all of its just like give me okay

2053
01:38:56,140 --> 01:39:01,719
so the next meeting is June 6 June 6

2054
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:03,699
because this is incorrect the

2055
01:39:01,719 --> 01:39:06,160
preliminary agenda does not have it on

2056
01:39:03,699 --> 01:39:08,860
there on this so that's a preliminary

2057
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,300
agenda right we we had to finalize and

2058
01:39:08,860 --> 01:39:11,650
make sure we were gonna have the drafter

2059
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:16,420
at least before they stock do it without

2060
01:39:11,650 --> 01:39:17,350
yeah 4 o'clock on 6 4 o'clock on the

2061
01:39:16,420 --> 01:39:18,430
20th

2062
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:21,310
we don't be talking about the zoning

2063
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:22,810
code okay and there is no meeting with

2064
01:39:21,310 --> 01:39:24,060
the city manager tomorrow he will be out

2065
01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:29,500
of the office

2066
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:34,949
thank you so the six in the 20th Michael

2067
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:34,949
we have long meetings potentially yes

2068
01:39:42,860 --> 01:39:59,710
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