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welcome to the Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting tonight I'm gonna
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we believe we have a quorum approval of
the minutes from the last meeting I will
move approval of the May second 2019
minutes second okay all in favor raise
your right hand please
abstention all right nothing
I should set any corrections but okay
all right all in favor okay here we go
I'm the item passed okay we're gonna
turn our attention right now to the
consent items we have three on the
consent agenda number one request from
Linda Casas and Richard Anderson
8:27 Skye Avenue for vacation of the
north-south alley between southeast 8th
Street and South East 9th Street from
Scott Avenue to the vacated east/west
alley
it's your anyone in the audience who
wishes to pull this item want to hear
this item anyone on the Commission
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number two request from Roosevelt
cultural district represented by Susan
Nolan for vacation of a four point four
four foot by three point three eight
foot rectangle of the 42nd Street and
Chamberlain Avenue right away adjoining
the property of 840 second Street to
allow the existing masonry pillar to
carry private signage in the form of a
plaque for the rows of a cultural
district anyone here wish to hear that
item anyone on the Commission number
three request from Galway homes
represented by Jim Potts MA for review
and approval of a preliminary plat for
via 335 on property located at 335
Forest Avenue to divide the existing 2.6
acre property into 24 Lots for row
townhomes and a common outlet anyone in
the audience wish to hear this item yes
okay so we'll pull that from the consent
any other items that could be possibly
moved to consent madam madam chair
uh-huh so right now staff we have item
for item five item seven an item eight
are in agreement with the staff
recommendation okay so I'll read those
right now
number four requests from HRC and ffs
represented by Chris Cazadores for
review and approval of the development
plan fusion east within the grade
station PUD for property located at 1170
Tuttle Street to allow development of a
three-story eighteen unit row multiple
family dwelling complex anyone in the
audience wish to hear that item anyone
on the commission okay we need to move
that to consent or do i do just move to
the consent can I do that thank you
number five requests from HRC and FS
represented again by Chris odorous for
review and approval of the development
plan Fusion West within the grade
station PUD for property located at 1240
Tuttle to allow development of a
three-story 27 unit row multiple family
dwelling complex anyone in the audience
wish to hear that item anyone on the
commission okay we'll move that to
consent number seven requests from
archway development group represented by
Michael Donnellan for review and
approval of a site plan bartenders
handshake under design guidelines in NPC
districts for property located at 36:19
Ingersoll Avenue to allow for renovation
of a 936 square foot commercial tenant
BAE anyone in the audience wish to hear
that item anyone on the commission okay
we'll move that to consent on number
eight request from dark or represented
by Joseph Cordero for review and
approval of the following for the
property at 1723 grand avenue a is
vacation of the service surface and
subsurface of these four feet of 18th
street and a north four feet of Grand
Avenue adjoining the subject property to
accommodate doors puddings and B
an approval of a site plan under design
guidelines from multiple family
dwellings to allow the existing
four-story building to be renovated to
add six additional ground floor units
for a total of 45 residential household
units with the remaining portion of the
18,000 600 square foot ground floor and
basement area to be devoted for office
retail space storage laundry indoor
parking space anyone in the audience
wish to hear that item anyone on the
commission okay we'll move that to
consent up move item four five seven and
eight to the consent agenda okay second
okay Carol all in favor raise your
radium
opposed abstentions I need to abstain on
four and five okay
it's densha I born five okay Eric and
then I don't know if you want to take
the consent agenda and then there's one
item that's requested continuance on the
regular agenda if I guess it's up to the
chair if you want to okay is that
numbers of the consent agenda first and
then we can talk about the items you
knew removed items to consider no motion
for approval okay sir
oh we moved items to consent that's true
okay well okay well vote on the consent
items okay motion so rule checking go to
okay all in favor raise your right
okay any opposed
okay and I needed up stain again for
five for five okay great you got it okay
sorry Eric so items 1 2 4 5 7 & 8 have
been voted in accordance with staff
recommendation and won't be taken up
further this evening
madam chair item 9 has requested a
continuance to to the June 6th meeting
in order to they're doing some revision
to the project and they've also
submitted a request related to the
project for some subsurface vacation
rights vacation of subsurface rights so
they they would like to be on the June
6th agenda okay
I move to continue item 9 to the 206
agenda okay been moved in second all in
favor raise your 8 yeah okay Thanks
opposed abstentions okay
that will be continued so anybody this
won't be prepared here for number 9 that
will be continued yes and then we'll
there won't be any notice so if you were
here this evening for that item it'll be
taken up on June 6
you should three item three so we're
ready for the public hearing and we will
start with item grading request from
Galway homes represented by Jim Potts
months to review and approve of the
preliminary plot for via 3:35 on
property located 335 Forest Avenue to
divide the existing 2.6 acre property
into 24 lives four row townhomes and a
common outlet will the applicant come
forward is the applicant here folks
don't search school
report
okay he's gonna give a brief go over
quickly so this is a subdivision plat
for 24 parcels that would be for
townhome units with so basically we're
talking about lot lines in between units
of a row house with the surrounding area
commonly held as outlets that would
contain detention landscaping and things
that would be commonly maintained so
this would allow for separate ownerships
of each of the townhome units in
accordance with the PUD that was already
approved by the City Council in November
of 2016 which allowed for the row houses
they were two stories above underground
parking
basically so
staff is recommending in favor of this
subject to the compliance with some of
the administrative review comments and
then one of the things we wanted to make
sure was included was compliance with
tree mitigation because this property
does have so Eric could you rotate the
site plan so norsu yeah so this is North
I'm sorry
probably Tyler to zoom out a little bit
one
most of the area to the north is open
space there's some grading that's going
to happen at this end to flatten out the
site to the southwest this is an aerial
of the property
Sorek just to confirm council already
approved the Planned Unit development
zoning for this property correct that
allowed this density and allowed this
housing type and there's already
architecture approved for these units
this is just the platting of the Lots
for the units correct correct and then
the the development plan will get
administrative leave is the planning in
general conformance with what we're
shown earlier it is yes so it they need
to there's some things that are just I
would say typical administrative items
that we would have get corrected in
accordance with the area is there some
way that you can view out and give us a
sense for the historic district is north
on Arlington I don't know if I have
anything that that would allow me to
zoom out on that but
the historic district would be of north
of so if you can see the park here this
is Bates Park
and at the north end to that is College
Avenue so 3 another couple blocks north
of that is where the Riverbend historic
district would and then it would be
another three blocks to the west on 6th
6th Avenue so this is Bates Park that we
can see here yeah Bates Park is directly
adjoining to the north basically
okay okay thanks Eric so the applicant
the applicant here you please state your
name and your address and then you'll
want to join the Michigan is Jim pulse
Mon I live at 12:47 41st Street des
moines yeah I started this about three
years ago and it's within a couple
blocks of Mercy Hospital and Mercy
Hospital removed about 200 apartments
they had there they're gonna be
owner-occupied and i thought it would be
a great improvement to the neighborhood
I didn't realize anybody had any
objection to it until a couple minutes
ago so this is I mean like Eric said I
think this is all button approved this
is just the planning of it into us here
so okay any questions of the applicant
okay is there anyone else thank you
is there anyone else here to speak in
favor of the applicant anyone who wants
to make it express an opinion okay go
ahead and come forward say your name
address sign-in
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so my name is Risha Weber I resigned at
2909 Deepwoods court my property is
sitting on the east end of this planned
development which would be two one nine
Forest Avenue
I am the property owner or manager at
this point of that property not really
sure what I can say here so let's get
started
I appreciate Steve's comment I am all
for helping that area develop it's
obviously going to help my property what
I'm concerned about is the things that
have happened in developing to get the
property ready for Steve so when the
trees were excavated which was a very
large tree excavation my property was
damaged during that time a tree fell on
my gutter and caused damage the
excavating company gave me a hundred
bucks tapped it said it's good but since
then I've been getting puddling in the
front yard really bad puddling that I'm
concerned about they also put up a
commercial line or a commercial fence to
protect the property I have a
residential small fence and they've
hooked the fences up so now my fence is
damaged I removed it myself
and someone came back and put it up so I
had pictures my landscaping in the
backyard as they removed the trees and
they came with their cranes they came
into my property and damaged the
landscape back there as well I have
pictures it's very difficult for me to
mow on the west side of the house
because there's no real division of
property because now that the trees are
gone it's just kind of like open field
so this is kind of a request for me I
don't know how we can establish a
boundary that
makes sense because when you look at
your city plans or the plot plans they
kind of go zigzag I would before this
happens I would really like for us to
establish some kind of straight line
between my property and the new property
I'm really concerned with flooding
because it's a large hill and it's
already been happening since the trees
have been removed and then just
generally people coming in and out of my
yard because it's just such an open area
and it looks like I don't know you can
just go play in both yards I don't know
so and then the last thing I wrote down
was just constantly have to call the
city to have him mow the area because
the grass gets extremely long and it's
hard to see and you know going into that
like that from the driveway what would
be the easement I guess you want to call
it and you know probably more field-mice
than there needs to be because the it
just doesn't get mowed often enough so
it's just yeah
I don't know what else to say
questions from the Commission another
question please yes um what I'm hearing
from you is a concern about the
surroundings rather than the actual use
of the land itself as row houses they're
that correct that actually would be
correct yeah I appreciate the the what
he's planning on doing I just don't want
to be I don't want to you know be
affected negatively as far as my
property management so that he can make
it perfect you know condo itself okay
other questions I have a question of
staff when the applicant gets to the
point of bringing the final plan forward
his offense required a budding
single-family residential or what might
this lady expect to see when the
property is complete generally unless
there was parking areas that there
wouldn't have been a screen between
residential and residential so there's
definitely landscaping that was shown on
the ends of those drives I don't have a
copy of that I should have included a
copy of the conceptual plan for
reference but it's not in the file so
there it's based on what the PUD is the
fencing she's probably referring to is
what we require in the grading permit
which is supposed to define the grading
limits of the property so that they
don't grade over tree roots and things
like that I don't know about the
operational aspect of them you know
attaching it to her fencing because I
don't know that's kind of a private
matter but
I'm not sure that's a good practice
should probably be set up to stand on
its own I have a question for Sam while
you're up here she talked about flooding
and she talked about flooding and the
removal of trees is there a plan to
mitigate any of that yes so that was one
of the conditions that staff was
recommending that they comply with the
mitigation requirements which so when
they come back in with their development
plan they will need to demonstrate that
they've replaced they've replaced the
trees removed with adequate number of
plantings within their property so there
is some opportunity I guess for the
developer to work with the property
owners to determine exactly where some
of that is there was a conceptual plan
that determined conceptual landscaping
but the development plan will define
where they actually plant and they will
have to show a schedule of plantings
that would make sure that they meet the
mitigation amounts of plantings in
Eric's storm water in a storm water so
they're on this plan that they're still
there showing the storm water is
underground chambers so it may be hard
to see around this area I don't know if
the engineers here tonight but there's
storm water chambers around here
and there isn't really storm sewer in
the area so they have to detain and then
release it in a fashion which won't be
erosive given the slopes and things so
they'll have to have a way of releasing
that so that the water that comes it's
released back onto the property the
subject property doesn't leave the site
and go anywhere in a manner which would
damage other properties that'll be part
of the development plan review by our
engineering staff okay any other
questions of Eric or the up or the any
other questions okay thank you make sure
you sign in also please anyone else want
to speak in opposition are the Purple's
ok please state your name and address
please and then make sure you sign in
when you're done
oh good Thank You Lara okay thanks my
name is didn't Clark property at 14 was
sixty second place directly adjacent to
this property on the east side also in
property at 1407 I've lived in the area
for better than 30 years I've seen they
what they did to that hillside as far as
tree removal and in this projected it
was a big mistake to do that at the
beginning
now has there been any rosin but there's
been new flow of terrain what was going
one direction without the trees has
caused the entire hillside literally to
gentl its way down with those without
those trees before it was cut in and out
the trees protected the roots kept it in
place they're talking about putting in a
reserve area for flooding as far as
the drainage and
the fooling themselves a thing to put in
anything bet bigger or anything other
than a enormous underground tanks to
hold us because we get excessive amount
of water force gets flooded and worse
sit down the second happening like a
river not only that but it works is on
to second place second place what would
be orchard down between second place and
second have enough has been washed out
every other year that they've tried to
keep something there and the only reason
they keep anything there right now is
because somebody's wanted it there and
some days is no longer there so or won't
be I worry about the erosion or worry
about the density as far as population
density apparently I'm Way too late on
the zoning part I was brought up to
speed by somebody else that this is a
high density it is for our neighborhood
this is high density when you have row
houses with that small of an area with
that Park for the entire neighborhood
this is identity I know it's not an
apartment building but it's still high
density it shouldn't have been that much
you don't have too much concrete there
you're not gonna be able to accommodate
that much water and it's gonna flow down
that and where those downspouts come off
with their properties it's gonna work
down that hill I know they've got new
drainage coming in through the what
would be fourth street I believe towards
the north they've got the whole area
ripped up and they're pulling up that
when I first moved in my whole Street on
second place was ripped up and removed
so that new piping for downtown fresh
water to be put in but you know I may be
late I'm so objecting to it okay all
right this density is too much for our
neighborhood and he's talking about
either rental or sale of properties as
far as townhomes and the projected value
of two hundred forty thousand per unit
in my neighborhood even a new house
habitats don't go for more than hundred
125 and that's a good new house well
built on a good lot family meant these
single single-family high-density know
where to play in order
protect your traffic flow and you're
talking another fifty cars out on
Orchard another minute okay
another fifty cars possibly up to
because twenty four units then
everybody's got two cars you know man
whatever F not three I've got three okay
in that area for orchard and what would
be forest it doesn't show an outlet on
the forest so you talking orchard and
forth so you're talking more density
you're talking more cars parked on the
streets more traffic issues and where
were there's density there's people
hiding in the shadows okay well thank
you questions for the mr. Clark I don't
have a question I don't have a question
have you seen the latest engineering
plan for the development I did has just
shows that they'll it will erode that
much better but that hillside to that
property line they're talking pushing
those houses out that put I puts the
last row of the houses on better is on
what would be the east side of all those
Lots yeah what 13 watt 12.5 lot for is
on that hillside whatever is coming off
there will continue down that grade even
faster and will washout will talk down
there on down to the street the subsoil
in this area is potted clay which is not
really stable the holds water expands
and strength that plateau up there
literally has a down underground spring
to it that comes off of everything from
13th Street from say University to
working down into that gives all old
coal mines and there's a natural spring
on to the properties habitat properties
what would be the west side
can't see your overhead or jariabek what
is this okay
I put it here to fill the office away
okay right in here this is the property
of the lady before me that she manages I
said and the roads when she was talking
abouts right here that has gotten worse
I know that because I'm always up on
this hillside thought about buying it at
one time because I own the property here
but it's a little too much also their
outcrop of this is side by side with
that lady's property here who doesn't
speak English and probably had no idea
that this was going on because she's
lived there for years now
did you hike she's got kids and
everything else so you're taking away
what would be her driveway to that side
of her property for hangout and
basically giving somebody else the right
way to it or the restriction to it which
was a mistake for the city to begin with
when they give away what would be a
street to a non adjacent property monkey
Valley's way to the ones that are side
by side here and here that's behind I
understand that it's less zoning the
phone line runs are there but this one
wasn't automatically assumed to be hers
without question just basically because
there I was in the start okay yeah
thanks a lot for I just much better that
you'd actually seen a copy of the plan
thank you more rosin more water yeah so
I also live in that neighborhood I've
lived there for twenty years and I was I
was very excited about a new development
and I'm gonna trust my my partner's here
that know best and the staff to mitigate
the the erosions and the water and
things like that and I understand that I
was but I am excited to see that
development and but I know we have to
yeah pardon you need to sir you need to
speak into that I'm sorry usually I'm so
used to my voice caring I don't need
microphone but yes I'm very glad that I
heard that somebody was developing it
because the famous jump point
the previous property as far as the
twelve or fourteen years that was there
that was it they play a drug den or
otherwise
I'm glad that they got tore down and
somebody took interest in it it was
definitely a nuisance property that
nobody do you know good neighbors this
high-density is asking for future
problems of that neighborhood our
neighbor does not equate high-density
yeah I think we understand that so any
other questions or comments so any other
questions no okay thank you is there
anyone else who wants to speak in
opposition of the applicant state your
name and address and make sure you sign
in sorry I'm not very good at public
speaking my name is Jana Devore I live
at the property of 14:27 fourth Street
and I'm sorry Jana Len I just got
married so we live at the property right
here been there 17 years again also I
appreciate the attempt of beautifying
the neighborhood and making it better we
mainly came to get some answers I really
haven't done any of my research so I
apologize for that I'm kind of late to
the show wanted to know how the traffic
flow will go again kind of building on
what he said living on that corner there
there's an that orchard is really just
an alley it's not a street and with all
the traffic in the neighborhood because
of the you know Park and everything I
also I'm concerned of a lot of traffic
going up and down that alleyway people
come flying through there already the
way it is kind of a dangerous
neighborhood and area for kids play out
on the streets because there's not
appropriate play areas for more ready
and again you know adding 24 units of
more kids and stuff and the neighborhood
is concerning that it may not be safe
I also have going on her complaints
about the the wildlife and trees have a
lot of the last five to ten years
battling poison ivy and weeds coming up
over that area just non-stop trying to
battle that so I'm hoping that will be
addressed with the building of it and
been maintenance of that it's a big
issue and it's also been connected to my
fence coming from that way with no
access to getting back in there if you
know my dogs get go chase animals that
go back there but our main main concern
again was the traffic flow if I didn't
get a chance to see where if the
traffic's supposed to be coming in from
the north the southeast whatever but
parking is a nightmare in that area
period also what what it'll do to our
property values taxes things like that I
just gotta just like some answers not
necessarily opposing it okay thank you
questions okay thank you
and anyone else want to speak in
opposition of the applicant yes oh
state your name and address please
yeah well my name is Kim Thomas and I am
kind of surprised I got a Oh this is the
packet that I got September of 14th of
2016 for the first meeting about this
this property in this thing and I got
this big flat sheet and all that kind of
stuff with the two anyway I came for
that meeting and was told that it had
been postponed and then I would be made
aware of a new time I had heard nothing
about this until just the letter that I
just got for coming to the meeting
tonight so I've kept this I have the
original all that kind of stuff and Mike
at the time that I that I came to that
meeting I did at least leave a sheet
with my name and everything on it and my
opposition was quote for the increased
traffic to the facility orchard Avenue
which is a single lane street cannot
handle it basically 24 units 50 plus
people unless they were going to do
something with the street orchard and
that it's I didn't see this plan I have
not seen this at all so there I am come
to the meeting because I was opposed to
it because of this I sure like to see
some development
I should explain what I have I what
would your address again sir my address
is of the properties I'm a landlord I've
had full three rental properties for
rental properties sold 114 35 37 and 39
4th Street so they share the alley of
orchard there are the three houses I
mean this doesn't know it does okay yeah
I have these three houses right here one
two and three
for the 40 years I've had houses because
parking is such a problem
I've designed in the back of my
property's parking to stall parking for
my tenants that I've had and it's
because you can't park in place so
that's my big opposition for having this
at all this Orchard Avenue it's like
they've just stated it's just a one lane
basically straight and I don't know
where the all the extra you know
high-density is exactly what I'm afraid
of with having that and I am not
prepared you know to go through other
than I was opposed I stated that this is
the first time I've heard of anything I
saved all this I mean I those properties
are something that I've had for 40 years
you guys and and I'm I'm very surprised
that I don't know that it was even
passed I think I've talked to you once
on the phone I gave you my name I even
have them our conversation and what we
talked about is your gym right yeah yes
you and I did talk to the phone we never
met or anything like that - okay sir all
right yes I'm sorry
not good at public speaking either but
it's okay thank you did you want to say
anything else sir
well you've got my point that we don't
know anything about that this had even
been approved or anything like that
I was never notified for that and now
here it is that we have this so okay
where do you get a copy of this
I well years here that you're the person
okay do we have questions questions of
mr. Thomas
I have question for the right this is
before the applicant or staff just to
address this parking issue I am just
making an assumption that the townhomes
come with a garage a two-car garage can
you just clarify or confirm
we done didn't I say up questions of you
yeah yeah print is if you put your email
there I'll email us yes so this this was
approved with the with the PUD
conceptual plan so each of these would
have a double garage underneath with two
stories above the there would be a
through private drive that would go
between orchard and forest so that isn't
really showing up because all you're
seeing here is the lot lines and so
you're not the other thing is that
there's private access to the backs of
these units with center courts so the
movements face each other on the center
court you don't see that on a platter so
Eric just to confirm there's a two-car
garage for each unit it actually has a
parking drive out in front of the unit
to access the garage and then if I
recall this beauty there was on sir
if you call it on street parking it's
the private drive in the development had
parking lining the the private drive
that would look like a public street it
would have landscaping on it street
trees and it has a sidewalk that runs
the full north-south length of the of
the property so it's a private drive
within the development but it looks like
a public street and functions like a
public street that has parking along it
for for guests and then each each unit
in itself has a to you to space
availability
okay and and just for the commissioners
awareness so when we sent out notices on
Platts and site plans that instructs
individuals with questions to come and
view the plan or ask calls call in and
we can send it to them by email so
because it's not an easy thing to mail
in in the notification so we didn't get
any enquiries until this evening on that
so so Eric do you hear do you see any
issues with traffic because I know
traffic requires Beauty stage so that
would have been in a trap the traffic
analysis would have been made at the
time of the Planned Unit development
review right and this was approved
satisfying the traffic any traffic
requirements 24 dwelling units you know
while it will change what's happening
there now doesn't really drive any
concerns with the capacity of the Strout
surrounding street network doesn't do
anything that would promote congestion
really with that number of units again
they're gonna notice some change to
what's there now but and the fact that
they have the outlet to forest I would
imagine most trips will want to go to
forest and not choose to go on to
Orchard because it's not as it's a semi
improved street so it yeah it is it is a
single lane street so okay that's not to
say nobody will right but but it'll have
two outlets a traffic was comfortable
with yeah so traffic traffic traffic and
transportation you know made comments at
that time I think some of this layout
was revised based on the need to make
sure we have a through connection as
well so thank you okay any other
questions does the applicant want to do
you want to respond to anything that
you've heard
like yeah like I said I didn't know
there's any objections to this I know we
had way back when we had a neighborhood
meeting who before essentially anything
was done and I thought the last
gentleman's wife was at it I'm not sure
but I remember her talking about some
houses that were for rent on the 4th on
4th Street there but and I agree with
Eric I think 90% of the traffic is going
to go on Forest Orchard essentially
doesn't go anyplace so but anyway I just
ask you to approve the planting like the
rest of this stuff has been approved a
long time ago already so if anybody has
any problems in the neighborhood of glad
to give me my name and number you can
call me any time so no problem ok thank
you
would you do that for I'm thinking for
the woman that had come here on partner
I say would you do that specifically for
the woman who came here yeah and had a
question about the the fencing and so
forth
yeah I'll take a look at it quite quite
frankly I think between your property
and my property there's a 3-foot piece
of property that's owned by somebody I
don't know who but then I think it has
some lady's name on it but if you don't
want that attached to your fans I'll
make sure it gets detached from its own
and they never fix your gutter either
oh can I talk to relate yeah I would
yeah okay thank you thank you very much
um
anyone else in opposition well okay we
decide that all right so I'm gonna close
the public hearing any okay any seconds
sure our discussion oh okay
all in favor of staff raise your hand
a post abstain okay thank you
it was approved and the items approved
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now we're going to item six I'll read it
Eric you wouldn't put it up there okay
item six 400 400 South East 6th Street
represented by Jake Christensen for
review and approval of a site plan
amendment Truman's Casey Pizza Tavern
under design guidelines and c3b
districts for property located at 400
and 410 South East 6th Street to allow
for 1344 square foot patio to the south
of the building at 400 South East 6th
Street and off street parking
ok Eric yes so quickly since the last
time the Commission saw this and
continued the item it was it included
the entire block area of the of the site
it has now been reduced to just the
eastern portion which is the c3b
portion and they are treating it as two
separate site plans now so what's in
front of you is the eastern part of the
block
which includes the parking that you see
here in the patio area they are they are
requesting a they did provide a design
that shows them complying with the
elements of our downtown overlay and
Street scapes however they do indicate
that they wanted deferral of that
improvement for the time being they
didn't give a definite amount of time
for that deferral in addition they are
also asking that they not be required to
underground their service line for their
building as part of this so staff both
of those are contrary to what staff is
recommending in the staff recommendation
other than that we would just say
compliance with other administrative
review I don't know if there's I don't
want to I'm trying to be a little more
brief if I can if there's questions
about something you're not sure about
definitely ask so so staff is
recommending approval of this but we
we're not we're not wanting to we want
the improvements for the sidewalks and
the the service lines under grounded
with the immediate project so
questions of Eirik right now well the
app is the applicant here okay
please state your name and address and
then sign it when you're done please the
ng found ku Christensen development 215
East third suite 300 Des Moines I'm here
for you guys so just a little bit of
history on why we split the plats we got
ourselves into a really big detention
cost when we tried to increase the
parking by putting the two Lots together
so this this doing it this way allows us
to still get parking for our tenant but
not do the detention until we actually
make this an apartment building which is
probably ten years down the road so what
we're looking at our main concern is the
under grounding of utilities you guys
saw me like a month ago about the same
issue so you will see running down
raccoon
all of the utility poles are actually on
the opposite side of the street we just
have one coming into our truman's space
and so the cost underground is about ten
to twelve thousand dollars depending and
it only remove that length across the
raccoon so it doesn't do much for sight
lines or views or anything like that
there are no other under grounded
utilities long raccoon our other concern
with raccoon is depending on who you
talk to in the city and what plan you
look at we're still unsure if raccoons a
through Street at the end of the day or
if it's closed so I don't want to put in
class a sidewalks for something that
isn't going to be a street which that I
believe depends on aj allen and what
plans follow what plans come through and
what don't so I'm not opposed to doing
the landscaping along and along South
East sixth because you actually have
that with PDM and Nelson's project we'll
have that in twg so that makes sense to
me it's the raccoon piece that does not
make sense to us
they question questions Kenji
I'm not following your thinking
regarding whether or not raku will
continue to go through is the discussion
about vacation or in the market district
plan in one of the plans yes depends on
which department in the city I'm talking
to so I don't think that's been sorted
through yet unless it has I'm a dragon I
did decide to keep raccoon because
there's gonna be storm water Oh consult
is running down that Street still so at
least that's my understanding of the
drafted that plan has not been the final
draft of it hasn't been prepared and it
still needs to come to the Planning
Commission or for review but my
understanding is at least that raccoon
streets going to remain in that plan as
a public public right-of-way
is that supposed to come through the end
of this year sometime the marketplace I
just reviewed gave comments to them on
okay on it from from our perspective on
the final draft and and I know they're
piecing together the final document the
consultant okay so we were looking at a
piece on southeast v there was
discussion about Raccoon ending at
southeast v and not continuing through
so that's some of our we don't want to
put in utilities if not necessarily just
utilities but the sidewalk and all the
improvements if number one it's gonna be
ripped out to fix raccoon or number two
if raccoons going away so other
questions
I don't know more thank you has had a
time limit on there that we hadn't
discussed
yeah our lease our new lease is five
years with truman's and quite honestly
without the workforce housing tax credit
right now we can't afford to do
apartments so it'll probably be at least
that five years before we're able to do
totally transform that corner so okay
thank you
yep anyone else to speak in favor of the
applicant anyone wants anyone who wants
to speak in opposition of this proposal
okay I'll close the public hearing
discussion I'd like to milk make a
motion we'll just seal it Jones I move
staff with the exception that the
overhead line not be buried and that the
sidewalk be installed within one year of
the final market plan approval mic I'm
thinking that if and when that plan is
approved we'll know and then give them a
year that is borrowing whether is it
approved in the winter or whatever to
install the sidewalk so his waiver of
the undergrounding yes but sidewalk
within one year after approval of the
plan if it if the right-of-way still
there yes with an inclusion of the South
East sixth Street sidewalk now
think she did you offer that up yeah
Angie said they would do that okay okay
any discussion on that is your a second
sure okay it's been moved and seconded
all in favor raise your right now okay
opposed abstention okay
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at the same time so again I'm not
putting into my Marcus you're in it out
so I can work with complaining in the
departments but we read the year but
let's coordinate a very good thank you
the motion path they could always come
back if that conflict became a concern
okay um idem ten here you want to put it
back on
okay number 10 is request from Drake
University represented by Vanessa macro
for review and approval the site plan
the Harkin Institute under design
guidelines in NPC districts on property
located at 2800 University Avenue to
allow development of a two-story 16000
768 square-foot building for the Harkin
Institute so this were excited about
this project so another concerns raised
in the staff report but we're definitely
excited about what Drake's doing here
the housing the Harkin Institute on
their campus and this entire block
essentially was part of the Southside a
university that got rezone to NPC so the
fact back when that occurred the Drake
neighborhood along with Drake University
wanted to see walkable development
occurring around the campus so NPC was
the zoning of choice at that time that's
the zoning in our ordinance that
currently does encourage that it brings
the buildings to the street so if you
look at the design guidelines I think at
this point right now the main I'm gonna
show you their plan first I guess before
we get into that and I'll let them
elaborate maybe even more on it
is here son wanna take away from them
describing their plan but so they do
have the building fronted to University
which is appropriate under NPC they have
a plaza area to the east of it towards
28th Street and then they have a parking
area that goes along with this that's
also west of st. Catherine's so which is
already there so they're integrating
that into existing development on the
campus already the main entrance is here
at the southeast corner and empties out
onto this area plaza it there's also a
route to get them to University when you
look at the MPC design guidelines staffs
biggest concern I think is generally we
want front entrances to be on the
prominent Street and emptying out and
that frontage that is the transit
corridor so we want to make sure that
transit patrons are able to get to the
entrance of this building within a
reasonable amount of distance and so
that was our concern
so we're wrecked we were recommending to
have a primary entrance onto University
or demonstrate that they're able to meet
that guideline of having good access to
the street from the from the entrance of
the building so that will be their task
tonight in front of the Commission right
now the transit stop is here at this
corner they've actually gotten a
modification that will traffic is
wanting this bump out here to slide to
the corner to shape this this would no
longer be a right turn lane which it is
now so right now there's a right turn
that goes south on the 28th Street they
want to shade that with a bump out so
that for a safer movement of traffic on
University and better movement of
traffic which I don't think anybody is
arguing at this point so they're
proposing to
meet that requirement but the bus the
spacing of the dart stops would push the
transit stop to mid block which actually
takes it away from that southeast corner
so that's staffs primary concern at this
point and so when you look at the staff
recommendation we are recommending that
they provide an entrance onto University
which I know there's some challenges
with the way they've designed their
building internally so they'll probably
present it
Eric could you clarify there is a door
on the east side of the arm sorry the
west side of the building but that's a
employee only entry right there's a
there's a door service door for staff
basically to access on the west side of
the building that has an access point to
get them to the parking area we've
recommended that that be connected to
University as well I don't think they're
arguing against that at this point I
don't think that's going to be a
deal-breaker for them but I'll let them
speak to that but they don't because of
security means there and indicating that
the main public entrance will be in this
plaza so I'll let them present their
design I have the elevations and
everything if you have questions but I
I'm hoping for them to give you a better
picture of their designs okay thank you
one question Burke is the project that
Mike Nelson's working on does it come
all the way to 28 no so where does it
stop can you see
oh yeah there's there's a about there's
a full block there okay between yeah so
but that because of the way that Nelson
Hotel project went the that actually
shifted where the dart stops we're gonna
they're trying to reduce the number of
darts tops to keep the buses moving
quicker so darts looked at this and
determined kind of at this point given
the project that's also part of the
city's upgrade to university with sewers
and so forth the stops are getting
redistributed along there and that's
already somewhat predetermined now based
on that project so thank you okay thanks
Eric will the applicant come forward
please state your name address fine in
yeah good evening my name is Joseph
Jones I'm the executive director of the
Harkin Institute which is currently
located at 24:29 University Avenue at
part of Drake's campus which of course
is 2507 University Avenue thank you all
for your time this evening for talking
about our project I appreciate the
opportunity to speak with you and
especially appreciate your service on
planning and selling items not the same
level of service but I did five years of
my own planning and zoning in my own
small town before I ran for council but
tonight I want to talk to you about the
Harkin Institute for Public Policy and
citizen engagement that was established
at Drake in 2013 with a mission to
inform citizens inspire creative
cooperation and catalyze change on
issues of social justice fairness and
opportunity and as our name suggests we
have two primary goals the first is to
produce high quality nonpartisan Public
Policy Research to help policymakers
make educated decisions the second is to
engage the public in conversations that
foster active and informed civic
participation so it's worth noting that
we have several programs specifically
for Drake and Drake University students
a large number of those participating in
our public programming are members of
the Des Moines community at large in
fact we brought nearly 11,000 people to
campus since we came to drink and
although we work around the globe we're
proud to be located in Des Moines and
we're proud of the
money programming we're able to provide
to our neighbors and our community
members much of our research and program
is concentrated in for public policy
areas to which Senator Harkin dedicated
his career wellness and nutrition labor
and employment retirement security and
of course people with disabilities and
as you all know fighting for the rights
of individuals with disabilities was a
hallmark of Senator Harkins career and
it's an area we're proud to continue to
work on at the Institute in particular
the Institute has been focused on how we
can help promote competitive integrated
employment for people with disabilities
around the world we partnered around the
world with those who are working to
tackle this challenge and Senator Harkin
has set an ambitious goal that we will
double the labor force participation
rate among people with disabilities by
2027 it's not an easy task to get there
we need to completely rethink our
approach to our workforce and we need to
be bold in our commitment to creating
spaces that are accessible to everyone
so the ADA a was signed 29 years ago but
when it comes to building design too
many people are still in the mindset of
providing the bare minimum to comply
with the law when we should be thinking
of how we can create the most inclusive
and accessible spaces possible so the
Harkin Institute we're constantly
re-evaluating how we do things
questioning ourselves and asking how we
can make things more accessible whether
that's through our communications
materials our events or our public
spaces and that's why we challenged our
architect to create a space that serves
is not just a model of inclusive design
but also a challenge to others to
rethink their own practices and how they
can raise the bar when it comes to
inclusion and equity lastly I want to
highlight briefly one of the deliberate
processes we undertook while designing
this space there's a phrase in the
disability community that's regularly
heard that is nothing about us without
us and I cannot presume to know the most
important factors of an accessible space
for someone who is deaf or someone who
is blind or someone who is user of a
wheelchair but at the Institute we have
a disability policy committee made up of
15 experts in different areas of
disability and most of whom have
disabilities themselves now ordinarily
this groups responsibility is to help us
with our policy research help us set our
agenda but we knew how important
to get this building right so we along
with Kevin our architect met with this
group on multiple occasions to discuss
with them directly what was most
important to them when it comes to the
making the built environment not only
accessible but truly inclusive so you'll
see their feedback reflected in the
building proposal you have before you in
all sorts of ways so at the harken
Institute we have a tremendous legacy to
live up to equitable access is immensely
important to us it's not enough for us
to meet the minimum standards of
accessibility access and Universal
Design are at the heart of this building
as well as the Institute's mission and
identity a place known for its work on
behalf of persons with disabilities can
do no less we need to create a space
that is truly inclusive for all
individuals a building that were drawn
national attention as an iconic example
of universal design can serve as a model
for other organizations of how to create
a work space and a space for public
gatherings that's welcoming for everyone
I'm gonna let Kevin tell you about the
design elements and then we'll both take
your questions
Thank You Joseph Kevin Nord Meyer BNIM
317 sixth Avenue in Des Moines
just very briefly because I know we're
running short of time I want to show you
a few pictures Eric already showed you
the property the the red outline there
is the property a few images from Google
Earth I should just point out that
if if zero is the elevation here this
parking is about five feet higher and
grade than the street at this point this
driveway ascends up five feet there's
parking in this zone right now that
provides some handicap parking for the
church
currently technically doesn't comply
with the side slopes because it was sort
of retrofitted to make that work at the
time but all of this area is sort of a
plateau about five five to six feet
higher than University and 28th Street
something just note I should mention too
that I do agree Drake does agree with
Eric and that the only issue we have
with the staff recommendations is this
notion of a an entrance on University we
we cannot accommodate that and and you
know I'll demonstrate why here in a
second we do also meet four of the five
criteria for you folks to grant
exceptions to the design guidelines we
have at a regular shaped site it's one
point eight eight acres we have
topography challenges and existing
buildings that we're all trying to
maintain so within the within the
ordinance we meet four or five of the of
the things that require or that allow
you to grant exceptions so again here is
the corner at 28th and university
looking Southwest this is the church
we're placing the building in this zone
right here and so you'll see here when
we drive in we're ascending grade so one
of the issues with the ordinance as it
stands right now is that by requiring
and for good reason by requiring an
entrance on on the north side at
University the ordinance actually
suggests parking on the rear side the
issue with everything that Joseph just
said with accessibility is that your
parking on the back side of the building
with an entrance on the north side of
the building and so for this particular
building not only is there a distance
issue just for any site related to that
there's an issue with this particular
site because there's a
for changing grade so you'll see in our
design solution how we tried to manage
that which requires us to move the
entrance off of University is the main
thing
so for me I have multiple sclerosis and
for me I have to scope out ahead of time
if I'm gonna beat somebody I have to
scope out you know a couple of days in
advance what am I going to meet them
warming in a park how far do I have to
walk to get from parking to a front door
so here's another issue or another sight
image looking east and you can see the
great change here so the site plan that
Eric presented nears just a little
rendered version of that yes so Drake
University here here's the Harkin
Institute building the church and so we
are moving the drive and and managing
all redoing all of the grades in this
zone to flatten out the slope a little
bit and you'll see here rather than
place the building at the corner which
is what the ordinance would like like us
to do and have an entrance here and
parking here there's not a really good
way for a person like me that can still
walk thankfully to get to the front door
even though the front door is accessible
to University in for transit folks you
know walking on the sidewalk those of us
those of us with disabilities will have
a challenge getting to that front door
so what we did is the first thing we did
is we slid the building west by sliding
the building west we've created this
this public plaza space that absolutely
has a wonderful presence and you'll see
here in a second to university and it's
creating that front door experience for
us off of the University Avenue in
key thing here though is that this was
initial concepts we had from the
beginning the parking here is handicap
parking right by the front door rather
than parking anywhere in this zone
having to walk around the building to a
front door over here distance distance
does matter and so that's one thing
ordinances and city plants don't account
for appropriately as the distance
someone has to walk from a parking stall
the front door so we are trying to
manage that very well right here all of
the visitors for this building will park
back here staff will park back here and
over in this parking over here so
everyone's a lot of people for this
building will be coming from this
direction and that's why we felt the
best and most appropriate and gracious
accessible entry is at that southeast
corner the other thing to note here is
there's a visual access from Drake
University
there's also visual access from the
building from University Avenue and by
creating this public plaza here
it absolutely accentuates and connects
the front door to university without
having a door literally on the front
facade of the building two universities
the floor plan is it relates
when you enter the building here through
sliding doors there's a ramp there's one
stair and then there's this ramp that
can take you up on this journey to the
upper floor and so the reason I'm
showing you that is that this will
probably be one of the only buildings in
the country that has this feature and it
presents itself again on the north side
of the building here and this is a
gallery space celebrating the Institute
tommmartens legacy and so forth in that
zone all of this is glass presenting
itself to university so here's a picture
of that I'm one of the zoom out just a
minute so this is standing on university
looking back at the building and staff
didn't really have this picture when
they made some of their comments they
might have made different comments they
wouldn't have seen this but what we're
doing is celebrating that ramp on the
exterior as well so you can see that
ramp inside here and presenting itself
on the outside at the top so this ramp
as it extends around extends back it
becomes a canopy to the main front door
back here this is a rendition of you
know some trees maybe a sculpture and
some other things out front in this
Plaza space so the door itself even
though it is on the back corner it
clearly has a presence to do University
Avenue all of this is glass that the
staff report mentioned the glass is
predominantly at the first floor that's
not true you can see here the glass most
of this building is glass and
transparent you can see in and engage in
dynamic building to university this is
looking from campus to the building so
again here you can see the ramp you know
in the building and extending through so
there's some dynamic engagement between
the building and the the street on
campus and then this is a view from
those handicap parking stalls to this
front door and how the front door
through this sidewalk of Plaza connects
back to university over here just lastly
some pictures of the interior this is
when you walk in the front door and you
can start to see the ramp as it extends
around the boardroom it starts to come
up along University Avenue here standing
at the top of the landing above the main
entrance looking back toward Olmsted and
the main campus there and then another
view looking back toward the library
Kohl's library cold means sits back here
and so there's a real dynamic engagement
between the building and the street
without having a door literally on the
front elevation on the sidewalk and with
that will entertain any questions
questions
yes Gavin what's the distance from
university to the facade of the building
the the dimension from the sidewalk to
the front door sure do leave front door
well I'm talking about University yeah
what's the building setback hold the
building setback we're at the the right
away line I believe are very close to
the right away line at the sidewalk this
is the front of the building
the other issue the other issue too is
is that we're trying to create a safer
more gracious and welcoming environment
for those with disabilities and by
providing as much handicapped parking as
we can on the south side um it's a safer
environment if we're lucky enough to get
a handicap stall on the university side
it's kind of a dangerous proposition to
be able to get out on that busy street
and get to the front door Oh Kevin hi
can you put up your floor plan again
your first first floor or foreplay
white PowerPoint is invented
this is interesting and so that you do
have an elevator right yes we have a
ramp at the stair and then the elevator
is a two sided elevator handicapped or a
hospital sized elevator so it's got a
door in each end with the strategy there
is given by our accessibility committee
is that two people could we along with
their wheelchairs go up stairs and wheel
off without having to turn around and
manage themselves and thank you do you
mind putting up again the rendering I'll
call it the money shot the rendering
yeah that one
Hey
what I was thinking of thinking about
and so this might be more of a dialogue
than a question I don't know yet but um
you know the intent I think with putting
doors on facades on streets is to create
activity you know to try and not have
blank lifeless sort of elevations and we
all understand that so this is a super
helpful image I appreciate the image
what I was thinking about what I saw
this it wasn't long ago that I was in
New York and went up the Guggenheim for
the first time I'd never been there
before and seen all the pictures read
the books but you know when he actually
experienced the ramp it's very powerful
and so when I saw this and you put it up
I just kept thinking wow what a
celebration kind of you know if the ramp
was almost hoping you didn't have an
elevator so then everybody had to use
the ramp and but so I guess my point in
this is I appreciate a couple things
you've done here it absolutely is full
life and I know you well enough to know
that you know this class will be very
transparent
and I think that's very powerful and
then that one drawing you had that
showed sort of the connection I'm sure
it was very thoughtful for you guys
about where the RAM protrudes out at the
top and it's kind of sort of on axis at
least visually on axis coming down
through the campus heading south I think
that's fantastic sort of celebration so
even though you don't have a front door
I just have to believe everybody going
by is going to want to go in they're
gonna want to figure out what's going on
inside and that's really awesome so I I
think you guys have solved this well
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thank you given I have one question on
the drawing it looks like the you said
there currently there's a grade change
but on the elevations you were showing
it looked like pretty much the whole
building is kind of flattening the site
between the grade and and back what is
the great difference at the west end of
the building from the sidewalk to the
entrance on the west side of your
building you can ask that question yeah
so from University sidewalk we're
talking about a future bus stop being
midpoint of 29th and 28th somewhere in
there is there not the ability to make a
sidewalk connection from university to
that sidewalk on the west side of your
building and allow access into that
building because not every person will
drive to the site there could be a
mobility challenged visitor a patron who
rides the bus so could they not have
access to the west side of the building
too to get in I saw your floorplan it
looked like that was all level at grade
and we'd go back to the ramp so let me
describe that so from here to here rises
5 feet and it still does because these
grades don't change
so we're rising up what we're doing here
is you're right we're carving this down
so this is sloping down sort of in this
direction we're doing all of our storm
water management is sustainably done
with green infrastructure practices so
all of the stormwater from the roof and
from the parking is all being managed in
some tidal swells around the site this
is one actually here to this sidewalk
then is not a ramp this again so that
sidewalk slopes at less than one in 20
so it's not even a ramp to get down to
that door
so they answer your question yes someone
might-- get off a bus here that's in a
wheelchair for example we don't
necessarily want them to come into this
door this door currently the way we're
planning it with Drake University is
that that's a keycard access for staff
that's why we weren't bothering to put a
sidewalk to university because you know
staff and visitors your parking back
here phenomenally there's actually a
handicapped staff person in a wheelchair
as part of their staff that probably can
park here and come down here and enter
that point but if they're already
traveling a distance anyway getting off
a bus here we still want to come over
here predominantly for the reason of
access and control they don't have a
huge staff and so there's a visitor or a
guest volunteer at the front door to
greet that person if you have to public
entrances it becomes a security security
issue yes our suggestion was more online
of I'd be willing to not have a door
directly on University this would be a
fairly minor revision possibly a call
button for someone that goes to that
door for someone to come in and let them
into that door on a shorter path from a
bus stop than taking them the entire
length of the building and then into the
farthest farthest point on the building
from the bus stop there's this isn't the
only bus stop there's also a bus stop
plant here and I'll stop playing here so
there's people coming from all
directions not just one right so folks
that are coming into these bus stops you
know are coming to this door so to
answer your question one one building
and I believe it's also Drake's it's the
the legal clinic I've gone to meetings
there before upstairs in the boardroom
the library that has what exactly what
you're talking about and the issue with
that for a guy like me that is disabled
I can park in the handicapped spot by
the back door the back door has a call
button like that but the person it's
it's just it's not convenient
it's a secondhand door treats me
differently than other people I got to
go around to the front door which has
steps then that's the one they want
people to go to because that's the front
door and in the buzzer the buzzer system
does not work on that particular
building so I don't know that that's
necessarily a solution I appreciate your
comment I appreciate your comment that
in the in the spirit of what we're
trying to do we want to give people
universal access everywhere but that
particular door is meant as a secured
access for a controller please don't
take my comment says wanting to treat
someone's right differently I have a
father who's who's disabled and and
distance is a huge issue so my question
was just is there the ability to
accommodate
within your existing design for someone
who would ride a bus to this facility
someone that gets off the next stop
could still use that door on the south
side but if somebody gets off at that
far west edge of your property doesn't
know that there's not entrance there
they're walking the entire length of the
building and back to the furthest point
on the building so those are the
questions thank you
Kevin I have a question as the
circulation around the building and
someone is parked in the main parking
lot how do they get to the front door
and parking this is that parking this is
an early early plan but they would walk
to there's a sidewalk connection here
and down okay thank you and swore they
can come here and down secondly how
white is the sidewalk and then boy we're
getting into details but I'm just
curious because you are going to have I
think a lot of people going from
University and walking or their steps
that come up and head toward the main
door from university as one walks to the
south
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on the east side of the Big East Side
yes this is all flat so we quite get to
the from that front from the main
entrance or the building down the
university I see I think I saw there's a
sidewalk here there's also a sidewalk
here further no steps in that well
there's no steps completely is
completely we were grading the whole
area right Rob I've been somewhat
confused about the grade so you're able
to go from University directly to that
main entrance yeah yeah so this is a
major crosswalk here and this is a major
crosswalk here but yeah this this were
flattening out so that I can pull in
here and this is all pretty much flat
yeah thank you okay other questions I
have a comment
Thomas it was interesting when Greg was
talking about the Guggenheim I think
everybody thought that you know and in
mind but you know that's a post-world
War two building and here in Des Moines
in the 1920s there was the same concept
that I think it was Proudfoot and Byrd
when they designed Smouse what's now
espouse opportunity school there's the
same kind of a level ramp for the same
reason I don't know if the the slope
would conform with very no current day
standards but Des Moines wasn't without
interest in the same thing many years
ago and as you mentioned that the butler
mansion too has a has a ramp that
connects all levels as well well one one
last question
I've seen some planning efforts up and
down the street for various street trees
I think it's I think I'm not exactly
sure what it all was and I'm how do you
know of that and are you guys
coordinating with that in here is that
not going anywhere yes so what I can
show you just very quickly ah is
this is the streetscape plan that Drake
has been working on thank you for the
area so here it is Harkin here's the bus
stop here those bus stops for example
here's the hotel that Mike Nelson is
doing which we've been working on that
as well and so this shows that the plan
for that whole area so there's
streetscaping going on there's medians
that are going to be added for slow down
traffic and so for its own genus
Landscape Architects are not only doing
all of this but they've been the
landscape architect for this and this
and so they're coordinating all that so
with your project will you be able to do
both the bump outs across the street or
just the one on your side just the one
on our side but Drake is proceeding with
the streetscape work fairly soon I
believe Thanks okay other questions all
right thank you
is there anyone else here to speak in
favor of the applicant okay anyone here
to speak um in opposition of the
applicant ok I'll close the public
hearing
discussion
Alma's staff with the exception that
they're not being entrance on University
I guess I've got a second okay it's been
moved and seconded all in favor raise
your right hand
okay opposed
I'm Stan
okay it's passed thank you
he knew I wore this blue outfit for
something today sorry kid he wore blue
for you Tom mr. harken okay we'll turn
our attention to 11:00 city initiated
request to give a segment of Rollins
Street between 41st Street and 42nd
Street an honorarium name of John Fire
Street and I think Tyler did you pass
around those Tyler's gonna pass around
some letters that we got as well so
there was a notification area but in
addition to that we got several letters
of comment from people that are outside
of the immediate area that I want to
make sure the Commission gets to see
thank you and I'll try to make this as
simple as possible this was initiated
through inquiry by one of our City
Council people to our street addressing
committee to consider a honorary street
name for John Byers Street on a segment
of Rollins Street north of the plate
house building and south of the
Roosevelt Shops at Roosevelt development
so segment we're talking about is right
here one block stretch between 41st and
42nd Street and the recommendation of
that committee was not to name it
because the policy set for street naming
by the City Council and included that
Street shouldn't be named after people
unless it's put posthumously so that's
that's what's in front of you right now
is the consideration of an honorary name
it doesn't affect addressing it doesn't
affect you know what goes on Google
Earth but it would include signage in
addition to the street signage for
Rollins Street if it's granted so that
would be the main difference I don't
think anybody on staff is challenging
the worthiness of the honorary name or
anything like that so it's simply down
to what the addressing committee did in
applying the policy of the council of
course the City Council will take this
up for the final decision and they
certainly can waive their own policies
so
discussions questions how long has this
policy been in effect you know I don't
think it's been that terribly long
because certainly we've you know named
other streets after people that were in
the living also living in a building
that is named effort or a gentleman that
still lives yes we are yes we are okay
that's a building them both George Flagg
Parkway and Robert DeRay were named
officially not honorary officially named
changed those streets with names of
living individuals it's just in my
opinion it seems like if you're trying
to honor someone who'd be nice to honor
them while they're alive and they know
it so I didn't I wasn't aware of that
policy but other questions discussion is
the applicant here again this is city
initiated so there may be individuals
here that are that want to express their
opinion but this was generated through
an inquiry by a council member to our
addressing committee and we're obligated
to push it forward base okay thank you
want to speak in favor of this yes okay
please come up no for the request you're
supporting the request okay good okay
and so your David I know you Britt David
in your address yeah sure my name is
David Kilpatrick executive director of
Des Moines community Playhouse 831 42nd
Street here in Des Moines and it was
just an opportunity that I had presented
to one of our board members it said we
would like to honor an individual who's
contributed so much not only internally
to the theater and not only nationally
to the you know community theater
organizations but also just to Des
Moines and the community of Des Moines
and he's retiring after 37 years of
service and we thought we were looking
for something special something unique
that not anybody else could enjoy or
recognize and we would like to do it
while he was alive and we were not aware
of the posthumous requirement when we
made the request but we just really
appreciate the support that Erik's given
to us and understanding he has to follow
the rules he has to follow and we
appreciate that and we just humbly
request it yeah so good questions okay
thanks
thank you mister um anyone else want a
speech about this
okay I'll close the public hearing I
moved Naima Street in memory as we have
been asked to do and with respect to the
honoree okay very gates been moved
across the street at the shops at
Roosevelt I would love the second
message on buyers has done marvels for
the Des Moines Playhouse in that whole
area that's just it's great great
property okay great it's been moved and
seconded all in favor opposed any
abstentions
item passed we're gonna adjourn don't we
adjourn and then you have the sorry our
next meeting is at 4 o'clock searching
for because we're going to be go over
going over the draft zoning ordinance
public hearing draft of the zoning
Board's document we have not we just we
discussed it at the last meeting right
availability the next two meetings we
agreed to meet 4 to 6 p.m. to discuss
the draft zoning code that public
hearing draft will be released tomorrow
at noon on the city's website that plan
dsm work so on the website will be the
the ordinance itself the
and site planning and design ordinances
which are chapters 134 and 135 also on
there is a will be a link to an
interactive zoning map that just like
the find my house on the city's website
you can type in an address and it'll
take you to the property on the map and
you can toggle back and forth between
the current zoning proposed zoning if
you click on the parcel it brings up
links to the zoning code itself or that
information where you can get to that
district information and then the
schedule draft schedule that I had shown
at the last meeting which has been
updated slightly is on there as well so
there's a wealth of information that
will be on the agenda on the website at
noon tomorrow we have sent the document
to the printer and I hope to get you a
paper copy of the document prior to your
workshop but I didn't have it today so
the release is tomorrow on the document
so we'll get that to you quickly and
prior to your workshop now good soaps
but more important it rain tomorrow it
gets released and I have people call me
and I go well what does this mean is
this like a done deal or how can i yeah
absolutely yeah absolutely
this is not not the finally we have six
months of public hearings okay ahead of
us on this code so there are at least
ten public meetings between public unit
and the workshop they contend steering
committee meeting states come to the
Planning Commission hearings where you
actually take public comment we have two
of those and then there's three council
for council meetings so if you're gonna
release that tomorrow would be really
great that we had like
that just simply said yes neighbors this
is how you can plug in so even if
somebody could just type in a purse I
mean quick email that says yeah what we
have is uh we gave some talking points
we had a meeting with Des Moines
business record and the Des Moines
Register and we gave them just some
talking points on it I can forward that
out to you tomorrow as well and really
the reality has direct people to the
plan DSM org website because that is
where all of its just like give me okay
so the next meeting is June 6 June 6
because this is incorrect the
preliminary agenda does not have it on
there on this so that's a preliminary
agenda right we we had to finalize and
make sure we were gonna have the drafter
at least before they stock do it without
yeah 4 o'clock on 6 4 o'clock on the
20th
we don't be talking about the zoning
code okay and there is no meeting with
the city manager tomorrow he will be out
of the office
thank you so the six in the 20th Michael
we have long meetings potentially yes
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