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36C3 - An ultrashort history of ultrafast imaging

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    Herald: So who is excited about
    photography or videography?
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    applaus
    Herald: Yeah? The title of the talk kind
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    of gives us gives it away. OK. We bet we
    are waiting for the last people to come in
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    and take a seat. Last time, raise your
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    Every one of you coming in, look for raised hands
    and take your seat and then we will start.
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    Yeah, very good. OK. Looks like the doors
    are finally closed. Okay, so the next talk
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    on the second day is about ultrafast
    imaging. So many of you have done
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    videography or photography. Have thought
    about exposure time, how fast you can do
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    your photography. And some of your might
    have played with lasers and have built
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    blinky stuff with it or have done
    scientific experiments and Caroline Will
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    now show us what happens if we take those
    to combine them and take it to the
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    extreme. Caroline is working at DESY since
    four years. She has not done her PhD and
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    is now working in a group for theoretical
    fast modeling of inner workings of
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    molecules and atoms. She is doing a
    computational work and working together
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    with experimentalists to verify their
    observations, and now she is presenting
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    the inner mechanics of what she is doing
    and how we can actually maybe photograph
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    molecules by their forming. Applause!
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    applause
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    Caroline: Great. Yeah. Thank you very much
    for the introduction and thank you very
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    much for having me here. I'm excited to
    see this room so full. So I'm going to
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    speak today about an ultrashort history of
    ultrafast imaging. It's a really broad
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    topic. And I'm just gonna present some
    highlights, some background. Before I
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    start, I'd like to give you a few more few
    more words about myself. As we've already
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    heard, I work at DESY, this is the DESY
    campus you see here and in the Center for
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    Free Electron Laser Science, circle in
    orange. That's where I did my PhD. So this
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    whole campus is located in Hamburg. This
    is probably also a familiar place to many
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    of you. And now this year we are in
    Leipzig a bit further away for the 36th
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    Congress. So I'd like to start with a very
    broad question. What is the goal of
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    ultrafast imaging? And we've heard already
    that ultrafast imaging is related to
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    photography. Now, as many of you know,
    when you take a picture, with a quite long
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    exposure time, you see just a blurry
    image, for example, in this picture of a
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    bowl of water. We can hardly see anything.
    It looks a bit foggy. But if we choose the
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    correct exposure time, which in this case
    is 100 times shorter in the right picture
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    than in the left picture, then we see a
    clear image and we can see dynamics
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    unfold. So we have here, a drop of water
    that is bouncing back from the bowl and
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    also some ripples that are forming on the
    surface of this bowl. This is only visible
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    because we chose the right exposure time.
    And this is to me really the key of being
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    successful in ultrafast imaging to take a
    clear picture of an object that is moving.
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    But it's not enough to say take just a
    picture. So now imagine you're a sports
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    reporter. You get these two pictures and
    you're supposed to write up what happened.
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    So it's complicated. So the top picture is
    the start, the bottom pictures is the end.
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    Just from these two pictures, it's hard to
    see. But if we see before picture, we can
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    see very complex dynamics unfold. There
    are particles accelerating at high
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    velocity laughing coming in from the back. And even
    particles we did not see in the first
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    picture at all somehow are very relevant
    to our motion. And not only skiing races
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    are very dynamic, but most processes in
    nature are also not static. This is true
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    for everything we see around ourselves,
    but it's especially true for everything
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    that is quite small in the microcosm. And
    in general, we can gain a lot more insight
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    from time resolved images. So from ultra
    short movies. I'd like to show you the
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    very first ultrafast movie that was ever
    taken. Or maybe even the first movie that
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    was taken at all. This guy, Eadweard
    Muybridge lived in the 19th century. And
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    very shortly after the invention of a
    photography method, he tried to answer the
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    question does a galloping horse ever lift
    all of its feet off the ground? Why, it's
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    running. To us, it may seem like not so
    important question, but in the 19th
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    century, the horse was the main method of
    transportation, and horse races were very
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    popular. So there was a lot of interest in
    studying the dynamics of a horse, and this
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    process is too fast to see with the naked
    eye. But Muybridge implemented a stop
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    motion technique where the horse as it is
    running, cuts some wires, that then
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    trigger photographs. And with this he was
    able to take these twelve photographs of
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    the horse in motion. That was published
    under this title in Stanford in the 19th
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    century. And we see very clearly in the
    top row third picture and maybe also
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    second picture that indeed the horse lifts
    all of its legs off the ground, which was
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    a new insight at that time. And when we
    stitch all of these snapshots together, we
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    have an ultra fast movie of a horse
    galloping, which might be seen as the
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    first movie that was ever made in the
    history of mankind. Now, when I say
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    ultrafast today, I'm no longer thinking
    about horses, but about smaller things and
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    faster things. But let's go there, very
    gently. So the time scale that we are all
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    familiar with that we can see with the
    naked eye is something of the order of
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    seconds. So, for example, the acceleration
    of this cheetah, we can see with the naked
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    eye. Now, if we zoom in on this motion, we
    see that there are muscles inside of the
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    animal that are contracting as it is
    running. And this muscle contraction takes
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    place within milliseconds. So that's a
    part of a thousand in one second. But we
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    can go even smaller than that to the
    microsecond. So proteins inside of the
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    muscles or in any biologic matter fold and
    unfold on a timescale of microseconds.
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    That's already a part in a million of a
    second. Now going even smaller, to
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    nanoseconds there's certain dynamics that
    take place within these proteins, for
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    example, of how they dissolve in water.
    But the timescale that I'm interested in
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    today is the femtosecond. It's even faster
    than that it's the timescale where
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    individual atoms move in molecules as
    shown in this animation. Now a
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    femtosecond is very short. It's a part in
    a million of a billion of a second, or as
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    we physicists like to call it, ten to the
    minus 15 seconds because it's easier to
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    spell laughing to us. We can - to us - , we can go even
    faster than that. The time scale of
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    electronic motion and in molecules would
    be an attosecond. I'm just mentioning it
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    here because we don't stop at molecules,
    but nature is even faster than that. But
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    for the purpose of this talk, I will
    mainly focus on processes that take place
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    within the femtosecond. So within ten to
    the minus fifteen seconds. Now, this time
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    scale is something that is not really
    related to what we think about in everyday
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    life. But there are certain processes in
    chemistry, biology and physics that are
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    really fundamental and that start at this
    time scale. Just to give you an idea how
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    short a femtosecond is, the width of a
    human hair is about 100 micrometer. It's
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    shown here in an electron microscopic
    picture. And for light at the speed of
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    light, it takes only thirty femtoseconds
    to cross the hair. So that's how fast a
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    femtosecond is. And even although this
    timescale is so short, there are many
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    important processes that start here, I'd
    like to mention, just two of them. The
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    first one is vision in our eyes and our
    retina there sits a molecule called
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    rhodopsin, that is shown here to the left.
    And when light hits rhodopsin, it starts
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    to isomorphise, which is a fancy word for
    saying it changes its shape. And this
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    transmits, in the end, electrical impulses
    to our brain, which enables us to see. And
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    this very first step of vision takes only
    two hundred femtoseconds to complete. But
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    without it, vision would not be possible.
    Another very fast process that is
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    fundamental in nature is photosynthesis,
    where plants take light and CO2 and
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    convert it to other things, among them
    oxygen. And the very first excitation
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    where light hits the plant and it starts
    to make all this energy available. That
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    also takes less than one hundredth
    femtoseconds to complete. So really the
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    fundamental questions of life lie at this
    timescale. And I'd like to just mention
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    that all of these processes are not only
    very fast, but they also take place in
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    very small objects, that are of a size of
    a few atoms to nanometers, which makes it
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    also hard to observe because we cannot see
    them with the naked eye or with standard
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    microscopes. Now, we've seen already that
    it's important to choose the right
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    exposure time to get a clear image of
    something that's moving, but the kind of
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    method that we need for taking such a
    photograph of something that is moving
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    depends a lot on the timescale. So for
    stuff that is moving within seconds or
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    fractions of a second, we can see that
    with the naked eye, we can use cameras to
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    resolve faster motion, very much like
    Muybridge did with the very first camera.
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    Today, of course, we can go much faster to
    maybe a few microseconds. With very fancy
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    cameras called opto-electronic street
    cameras - i won't go into detail here - we
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    can go down to picoseconds. So we are
    already very close to the motion of
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    molecules, but we are not quite there yet.
    The timescale that we want to investigate
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    is a femtosecond. So really a time
    timescale of molecular motion and
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    electronics are not fast enough to reach
    this timescale. So we need something new.
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    And fortunately, we can create light
    pulses that serve as to say flashes, but
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    take snapshots of our moving molecules
    with femtosecond time resolution and light
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    pulses can be made so short. So in the
    following, I'm going to show you a bit
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    more detail on how we can use these ultra
    short light pulses to take snapshots of
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    moving molecules. The first method that I
    would like to briefly show you is X-Ray
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    diffraction, where we have an ultra short
    pulse, an X-Ray pulse coming in. It hits a
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    sample shown here in the red bubbles.
    That's essentially a molecule that that we
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    just place in the beam and it produces a
    so-called diffraction pattern that we can
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    then record on a screen. Now, the whole
    process is quite complicated. So I like to
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    just sketch the very basics of it. We see
    here X-Ray radiation hitting a crystalline
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    sample here to the left and the sample is
    excited, starts to radiate X-Ray back and
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    on the right we can see the X-Rays leaving
    the sample again. They will interfere and
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    we can record this pattern on the screen.
    So this is what we see here in this
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    visualization to the right. With this, we
    can feed a reconstructionalgorithm that
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    allows us to transform back our
    diffraction pattern that we've seen here
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    for for in this case a bio molecule. We
    can reconstruct from that the image as it
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    was in real space. So this is some
    protein, I believe. X-ray diffraction is
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    very nice for resolving small structures
    with atomic detail. Another method how we
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    can take snapshots using ultra short
    pulses, that I would like to briefly
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    introduce is absorption spectroscopy. Now
    you may know that light contains several
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    colors. For example, you've surely have
    held a prism in hand, and the prism can
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    break white light up into all the colors
    of a rainbow, that we can see with the
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    eye. Now we can do the same with X-Ray
    pulses. Then we cannot see the colors
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    anymore. So just let's just stick with a
    prism here. When we place a molecule in
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    front of all these colors, the molecule
    will block certain colors. That's quantum
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    mechanics. You just have to believe it or
    learn about it in long studies. So the
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    molecule is placed in front of all these
    colors. And to be right, the absorption
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    spectrum is recorded and the parts of the
    spectrum that are very bright correspond
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    to the colors that have been blocked by
    the molecule. And this is a very nice
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    technique to investigate ultra short
    dynamics, because where these lines are
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    located is characteristic of the chemical
    elements that we find in the molecule. For
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    example, if we use X-Ray radiation for
    this specific molecule, that I've shown
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    here lysine, that's not so important which
    molecule it is. We have three different
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    atoms in this molecule that are important
    carbon, nitrogen and oxygen and they
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    absorb at very different colors so we can
    keep them apart when we take the spectrum.
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    But not only that, we can take the
    spectrum at a later time when the molecule
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    has moved around a bit and we will see
    that the colors, the position of the lines
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    have changed a tiny bit. So it's really
    not much and I accelerated it already in
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    this visualization quite a bit. But with
    experimental methods, we can resolve this.
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    And this allows us to then trace back to
    how the molecule was moving in between
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    when we took these two snapshots. There
    are many more methods that you can use to
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    take ultrafast images. So we call them
    probe signals because we probe the
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    ultrafast motion of a molecule with such
    an ultra short pulse. For example, we can
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    record photo electrons or we can record
    fragments of a molecule and many more. But
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    I won't go into further detail here
    because this is not an exhaustive list of
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    methods that we can use. I'd rather like
    to show you how we can take molecular
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    movies so how we can combine all these
    ultrashort pulses to in the end film a
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    molecule in action. Now we've already seen
    in the movie of the horse that we need to
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    stitch several snapshots together and then
    we have a full picture, full motion of a
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    molecule. So we just like to do the same,
    but ten to the 15 times faster, should not
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    be too difficult, right? So we use our
    ultra short pulse. First ultrasound parts
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    that we use as a trigger, parts that sets
    off the motion and the molecule. This
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    defines us a certain time zero in our
    experiment and makes it sort of repeatable
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    because we always start the same kind of
    motion by giving it a small hit and now
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    it's just moving around. So we wait for a
    certain time, a time delay and then come
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    in with a probe pulse. The probe pulse
    takes a snapshot of a molecule. This goes
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    to some detector, goes to a kind of
    complicated reconstruction method that we
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    just execute from our screen. And with
    this, we reconstruct a snapshot of a
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    molecule. But this is only one snapshot
    and we want a whole movie. So we need to
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    repeat this process over and over again by
    shining and more and more probe pulses.
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    And this will create more and more
    snapshots of a molecule. And in the end,
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    we could stitch all of these together and
    we would arrive at the same image that you
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    see in the in the middle where the
    molecules is happily moving around. There
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    is one little problem: The probe pulse
    typically destroys the molecule. This is
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    very different. This is very different
    from taking pictures of a horse. The horse
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    normally survives. laughting So the probe pulse
    destroys the molecule. It just goes away.
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    So for each of these snapshots we need to
    use a new molecule. So we typically have a
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    stream of samples that is falling from the
    top to the bottom in our experiment. And
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    then we have to carefully align two pulses
    a trigger pulse and a probe pulse that
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    come together and take a snapshot of this
    molecule. And of course, we have to find a
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    method on how to make identical molecules
    available in - Yeah - you see, there's a
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    lot of complications with doing these
    experiments that I'm completely leaving
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    out here. So now we want to take a
    molecular movie and we know that we want
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    to have ultra short pulses to do so. But I
    didn't tell you yet what kind of light
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    source we need. So there are many light
    sources all around us. We have here lights
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    from lamps. I have a light in my laser
    pointer with light from the sun. But we
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    need quite specific light sources to take
    these snapshots of molecular motion. We've
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    already established that we want
    ultrashort pulses because else we cannot
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    resolve femtosecond dynamics, but for the
    proper kind of wavelength that we need I
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    would like to quickly remind you of the
    electromagnetic spectrum that you've
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    probably seen at some point in high
    school. So, so light, as you see here in
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    the bottom picture is an electromagnetic
    wave that comes in different wavelengths.
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    They can be quite long as in the case of
    radio waves to the very left. Then we have
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    the region of visible light shown here as
    the rainbow that we can perceive with our
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    eyes. And then we have wavelengths that
    are too short to see with our eyes. First,
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    UV radiation, that gives us a tan in the
    summer if we leave our house and then we
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    have X-ray radiation, soft and hard X-ray
    radiation that have atomic wavelength. So
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    the wavelength is really on the order of
    the size of an atom. So what kind of
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    wavelength do we need to study ultra short
    dynamics - ultra fast dynamics? We can
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    first think about what kind of wavelength
    we need when we want to construct an ultra
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    short pulse. I've drawn here two pulses to
    the left, a slightly longer pulse to the
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    right, a shorter pulse. And now if you
    think about squeezing the left parts
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    together such that it becomes shorter and
    shorter, you see visually that the
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    wavelength also needs to shrink. So we
    need shorter wavelengths for the shorter
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    the pulse we want to make. So this will be
    located somewhere here in this region of
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    the electromagnetic spectrum. And another
    important thing that we need to keep in
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    mind is if we want to take pictures by
    X-ray diffraction, we are limited, so we
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    can only resolve structures that are about
    the same size as the wavelength we used to
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    take our diffraction image. So if we want
    to take a picture of something with atomic
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    resolution, our wavelength needs to be of
    atomic size as well. And this places us in
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    the region of X-Rays drawn here, that have
    a wavelength of less than a nanometer. So
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    we can establish that we want small
    wavelengths in general. We have two
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    additional requirements that would just
    touch upon very briefly. First, we need
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    very brilliant pulses because the pulses
    are so short, we need to have a lot of
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    light in the short pulse. You can think
    about taking a picture in a dark room with
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    a bad camera. You won't see anything. So
    we need very bright flashes of light.
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    Another requirement is we need coherent
    laser light. So we cannot just use any
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    light, but it needs to have certain
    properties like laser light.
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    Unfortunately, the lasers that you can buy
    commercially do not operate in the region
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    of the electromagnetic spectrum that we
    are interested in. So we need to come up
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    with something new. And I will show you
    how we can generate ultra short pulses
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    both in the laboratory where we can
    generate pulses that are very short and
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    extend up to maybe the soft X-ray region.
    And another method to generate ultra short
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    pulses is at free electron laser sources,
    where we can go really to the hard X-Ray
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    regime. But first I'd like to go to the
    laboratory. So in the laboratory, it's
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    possible to generate an ultrashort pulse by
    using a process that's called high
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    harmonic generation. In high harmonic
    generation we start off of a high
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    intensity pulse, that's a red pulse coming
    in from the left, which which is focused
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    in a gas cell. And from there, it
    generates new frequencies of light. So the
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    light that comes out is no longer red, but
    it's violet, blue. We cannot see it with
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    the naked eye. So that's an artist's
    impression of how high harmonic generation
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    works. Before going into more detail about
    why this method is so good at producing
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    ultra short pulses, I'd like to mention
    that this is only possible because we have
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    the high intensity driving pulses, the red
    laser pulses available. This goes back to
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    work by Donna Strickland and Gerard
    Mourou, who were awarded the Nobel Prize
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    in the year 2018 in physics for this work
    that has been done in the 80s. Now we're
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    coming to the only equation of his talk,
    which is this equation that relates the
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    energy width and the time duration of a
    ultra short pulse. By the law of fourier
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    limits we cannot have pulses that are very
    short in time and at the same time very
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    narrow in energy. But we need to choose
    one. So if we want to have policies that
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    are very short in time like the pulse that
    I've shown here on the bottom, that is
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    actually only two hundred fifty
    attoseconds long, so even shorter than a
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    femtosecond, then we need to have a very
    broad width in energy. And this means
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    combining a lot of different colors inside
    of this pulse. And this is what makes high
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    harmonic generation so efficient at
    creating ultra short pulses, because the
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    spectrum that the colors that come out of
    high harmonic generation are shown here
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    and they really span a long width. So we
    get a lot of different colors with about
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    the same intensity. And you can think of
    it like putting them all back together
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    into one attosecond pulse. That is very
    short in time. This method has really made
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    a big breakthrough in the generation of
    ultra short laser pulses we see here a
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    plot of a time duration of laser pulses
    versus the year, and we see that since the
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    invention of the laser, here in the mid
    60s, there was a first technological
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    progress and shorter and shorter pulses
    could be generated. But then in the 80s,
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    there was a limit that had been reached of
    about five femtoseconds, I believe. And we
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    could not really go farther than that and
    only with high harmonic generation, that
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    sets in here shortly before the year 2000,
    we were able to generate pulses that are
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    of a femtosecond duration. So that really
    touch the timescale of molecular motion.
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    The current world record is a pulse, that
    is only 43 attoseconds long, established
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    in the year 2017. So that's really the
    timescale of electrons and we can do all
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    sorts of nice experiments with it where we
    directly observe electronic motion in
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    atoms and molecules. This is all very
    nice, but it has one limitation: We cannot
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    go to hard X-rays, at least not right now.
    So high harmonic generation cannot produce
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    the kind of very short wavelengths that we
    need in order to to do X-ray diffraction
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    experiments with atomic resolution. So if
    we want to have ultra short pulses that
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    have X-Ray wavelengths, we need to build
    right now very complex, very big machines,
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    the so-called free electon lasers. Now,
    this would be a specific light source that
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    can produce ultra short pulses with X-ray
    wavelengths in itself. The X-Ray
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    wavelengths is not so new. We know how to
    take X-ray images for about one hundred
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    and thirty years and already in the 50s.
    Rosalind Franklin, who is looking at a
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    microscope here, was able to take a
    picture of DNA, an X-ray diffraction
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    pattern of a DNA double helix that was
    successful in revealing the double helix
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    structure of our genetic code. But this is
    not a time resolved measurement. So think
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    of it as you have a molecule that is in
    crystalline form, so it's not moving
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    around and we can just take an X-ray image
    of it, it's not going anywhere. But if we
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    want - if we want to take a picture of
    something that is moving, we need to have
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    very short pulses. But we still need the
    same number of what we call photons, light
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    particles. Or think of it as we need more
    brilliant X-ray flashes of light than we
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    could obtain before. And there was very
    nice technological development in the past
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    50 years or so, where we were able to go
    from the X-ray tube to newer light sources
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    called Synchrotron, and today, free
    electro lasers that always increase the
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    peak brilliance in an exponential way. So
    we can take really brilliant, really
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    bright X-ray flashes right now. I cannot
    go into the details of all of that, but I
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    found a very nice talk from two years ago,
    but actually explains everything from
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    Synchrotron to FELs still available online
    if you're interested in this work. And as
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    always, if something is failing scaling
    exponentially, most of you will be
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    familiar with Moore's Law, that tells us
    about the exponential scaling of
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    transistors. If something grows this fast,
    it really opens up a new series of
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    experiments of new technological
    applications that no one has thought of
  • 27:49 - 27:56
    before. And the same is true with free
    electron lasers. So I'm going to focus
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    just on the most brilliant light sources
    for X-rays. Right now, the free electron
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    lasers that are at the top right here of
    this graph have been around for maybe 10
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    years or so. I cannot go into a lot of
    detail on how to generate ultrashort
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    pulses with X-Rays. So I'd like to
    give you just a very broad picture of how
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    this works. First, we need a bunch of
    electrons, that is accelerated to
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    relativistic speed. This sounds very easy,
    but is actually part of a two kilometer
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    long accelerator, that we have to build
    and maintain. Now we have this bunch here
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    of electrons shown in red and it's really
    fast and now we can bring it into
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    something that is called an undulator.
    That's a series of alternating magnets,
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    shown here in green on blue for the
    alternating magnets. And you may remember,
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    that when we put an electron, that is as a
    charged particle, into a magnetic field,
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    the Lorence force will drive it away. And
    if you have alternating magnets, then the
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    electron will go on a sort of wiggly path
    in this undulator. And the electron is a
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    charged particle as it is wiggling around
    wherever it turns around, it will emit
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    radiation, that happens to be in the X-ray
    region of the electromagnetic spectrum,
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    which is exactly what we want. We can
    watch this little movie here to see a
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    better picture. So this is the undulating
    seeing from the side. We now go inside of
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    the undulator. We have a series of
    alternating magnets. Now the electron
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    bunch shows up and you see the wiggly
    motion as it passes the different magnets.
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    And you see the bright X-Ray flash that is
    formed and gets stronger and stronger as
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    the electron bunch passes the undulator. So
    we need several of these magnet pairs to
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    in the end, get the very bright X-Ray
    flash. And at the end of the undulator we
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    dump the electron, we don't really need
    this electron bunch anymore and continue
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    with a very bright X-Ray flash. This whole
    process is a bit stochastic in nature, but
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    it's amplifying itself in because of the
    undulator. This is why the longer the
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    undulator is, the more bright X-Ray
    flashes we can generate. This whole thing
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    is kind of complicated to build, it's a
    very complex machine. So right now there
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    are only very few free electron lasers in
    the world. First one in California called
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    LCLS 1, currently being upgraded to LCLS
    2. There are several in Europe. There's
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    one in Switzerland, in Italy and Hamburg.
    So there's a Flash that does not operate
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    in the hot X-ray regime, but was kind of
    first free electron laser. That's the most
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    recent addition to the free electron laser
    zoo. It's the European XFEL also located
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    in Hamburg. And then we have some of these
    light sources in Asia, in Korea, South
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    Korea, Japan, and one currently under
    construction in Shanghai. I'd like to show
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    you a bit more details about the European
    X-ray free electron laser, because it's
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    closest to us, and at least closest to
    where I work. So the European XFEL is a
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    three point four kilometer long machine
    that is funded by in total 12 countries,
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    So Germany and Russia paying the most and
    then the other 10 countries also providing
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    to the construction and maintenance costs.
    This machine starts at the DESY campus,
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    but as shown here to the right of the
    picture. And then we have first an
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    accelerator line for the electrons that
    it's already one point seven kilometers
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    long and where we add electrons reach
    their relativistic speed. Then the
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    undulate comes in, so the range of magnets
    where we X-Ray flashes are produced. The x
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    X-Ray flashes then cross the border to
    Schleswig-Holstein, laughter shown here, on the
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    other side in a new federal state. They
    reach the experimental hall. We have in
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    total six experimental end stations at the
    European XFEL that provide different
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    instrumentation, depending on which kind
    of system you want to study, you need
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    slightly different instruments. And it's
    not only for taking molecular movies, but
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    the XFEL is used, among others, for
    material science, for the imaging of bio
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    molecules, for femtosecond chemistry, all
    sorts of things. So really wide range of
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    applications. It's right now the the
    fastest such light source can take twenty
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    seven thousand flashes per second, which
    is great because every flash is one
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    picture. So if we want to take a lot of
    snapshots, if you want to generate a lot
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    of data in a short time, it's great to
    have as many flashes per second as
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    possible. And as you can imagine, it's
    kind of expensive since there are so few
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    free electron lasers in the world to take
    measurements there. The complete price tag
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    for constructing this machine, it took
    eight years and cost one point two billion
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    euros, which may seem a lot, but it's the
    same amount that we spend on concert halls
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    in Hamburg. loud laughter applause So kind of comparable. Now,
    when you factor in maintenance and so on,
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    I think a minute of X-Ray beam at such an
    XFEL cost several thousands of tens of
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    thousands of euros in the end. So getting
    measurement time is complicated and there
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    are committees that select the most
    fruitful approaches and so on. So in order
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    to not to waste or do taxpayers money.
    With this, I'd like to make a small
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    comparison of the light sources that I've
    introduced now. So I introduced the
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    laboratory light sources and the XFEL
    light source. In general, in the
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    laboratory we can generate very short
    pulses of less than 100 attoseconds by now
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    and in the XFEL we are limited to
    something about 10 femtoseconds right now.
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    In terms of brilliance the XFELs can go to
    much more bright pulses, simply because
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    they are bigger machines and high harmonic
    generation in itself is a kind of
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    inefficient process. In terms of
    wavelength X-Ray free electron lasers
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    enable us to reach these very short
    wavelengths with X-Rays, that we need to
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    get atomic resolution of defractive
    images. In the laboratory we are a bit
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    more limited to maybe the soft X-ray
    region. There's another important thing to
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    keep in mind when we do experiments,
    that's the control of pulse parameters. So
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    is every pulse that comes out of my
    machine the same as the one that came out
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    of my machine before. And since the XFEL
    produces pulses by what is in the end, a
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    stochastic process, that's not really the
    case. So the control of possible
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    parameters is not really given. This is
    much better in the laboratory. And in
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    terms of cost and availability, it would
    of course, be nice if we could do more
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    experiments in the lab. Then at the XFEL
    simply because we XFEL ls so expensive to
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    build and maintain and we have so few of
    them in the world. And you can see this
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    tunnel here. It stretches for two
    kilometers or so, all packed with very
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    expensive equipment. So I'd like to show
    you a brief example of what we can learn
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    in ultrafast science. So this is a
    theoretical work that we did in our group.
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    So no experimental data, but still nice to
    see. This is concerned with an organic
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    solar cell. So we all know solar cells.
    They convert sunlight to electric energy
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    that we can use in our devices. The nice
    thing about organic solar cells is that
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    they are foldable, very lightweight, and
    we can produce them cheaply. The way that
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    such a solar cell works is we have light
    shining in and at the bottom of the solar
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    cell there sits an electrode that collects
    all the charges and creates an electric
  • 36:29 - 36:34
    current. Now light creates a charge that
    somehow needs to travel down there to this
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    electrode and in fact, many of these
    charges. So the important thing where we
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    build such an organic solar cell is that
    we need a way to efficiently transport
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    these charges. And we can do so by putting
    polymers inside. A polymer is just a
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    molecule that is made up of two different
    or two or more different smaller
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    molecules. And one such polymer, which
    should be very efficient at transporting
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    these charges is BT-1T, that is shown here
    of a name is not so important, it's an
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    abbreviation. Because in BT-1T when we
    create a charge at one end of a molecule
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    here at the top, it travels very quickly
    to the other side of a molecule and you
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    can imagine stacking several of these
    BT-1T or especially of the Ts together,
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    putting it in this material. And then we
    have a very efficient flow of energy in
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    our organic solar cell. So what we did was
    we calculated the ultrafast charge
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    migration in BT-1T, shown here to the
    right. The pink thing is the charge
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    density that was created by an initial
    ionization of the molecule. And now I show
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    you the movie, how this charge is moving
    around in a molecule so you can see
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    individual atoms moving, the whole
    molecules vibrating a bit. And the charge,
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    if you look closely, is locating on the
    right half of a molecule within about 250
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    femtoseconds. Now, we cannot observe this
    charge migration directly by looking at
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    this pink charge density that I've drawn
    here, because it's at least for us, not
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    experimentally observable directly. So we
    need an indirect measurement, an X-Ray
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    absorption spectroscopy that I showed you
    in the beginning could be such a
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    measurement. Because in the X-Ray
    absorption spectrum of BT-1T that I've
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    shown here in the bottom left, we see
    distinct peaks depending on where the
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    charge is located. Initially the charge is
    located at the top sulfur atom here and
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    this molecule and we will see a peek at
    this color. Once the charge moves away to
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    the bottom of a molecule to the other
    half, we will see a peak at the place
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    where nothing is right now because the
    charge is not there. But if I start this
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    movie, we will again see very fast charge
    transfer. So within about two hundred
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    femtoseconds, the charge goes from one end
    to the molecule to the other end of a
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    molecule. And it would be really nice to
    see this in action in the future XFEL
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    experiment. But the process is very long.
    You need to apply for time at an XFEL. You
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    need to evaluate all the data. So maybe a
    couple of years from now we will have the
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    data available. Right now we are stuck
    with this movie, that we calculated. Now,
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    towards the end of my talk, I'd like to go
    beyond the molecular movie. So I've shown
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    you now how to generate the light pulses
    and an example of what we can study with
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    these light pulses. But this is not all we
    can do: So when you think of a chemical
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    reaction, you might remember high school
    chemistry or something like this, which is
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    always foaming and exploding and nobody
    really knows what is going on. So a
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    chemical reaction quite naturally involves
    molecular dynamics, for example, the
  • 40:08 - 40:13
    decomposition of a molecule to go from
    here, from the left side to the right
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    side, the molecules will somehow need to
    rearrange so all the atoms will have moved
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    quite a bit. We've seen already how we can
    trigger these chemical reactions or these
  • 40:24 - 40:30
    molecular motion that was part of a
    molecular movie. But it would be really
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    cool if we could control the reaction with
    light. So the way to do this, it's not
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    currently something that is possible, but
    maybe in the near future, would be to
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    implement a sort of optimisation feedback
    loop. So we would record the fragments of
  • 40:44 - 40:49
    our reaction, send it to an optimization
    routine that will also be quite
  • 40:49 - 40:54
    complicated and will need to take into
    account the whole theory of how light and
  • 40:54 - 40:59
    matter, interact and so on. And this
    optimization routine would then generate a
  • 40:59 - 41:04
    new sequence of ultra short pulses and
    with this feedback loop, it might be
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    possible to find the right pulses to
    control chemical reactions, taking into
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    account the quantum nature of this motion
    and so on. Right now this is not possible.
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    First, because the whole process of how we
    can generate these ultra short pulses is
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    not so well controlled that we could
    actually implement it in such a loop. And
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    also the step optimization routine is more
    complex than it looks like here in this
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    picture. So this is something that people
    are working on at the moment, but this
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    would be something like the ultra fast
    wishlist for next Christmas, not this
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    Christmas. So we've succeeded in taking a
    molecular movie, but we would also like to
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    be able to direct a molecular movie. So to
    go beyond just watching nature, but
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    controlling nature because this is what
    humans like to best, laughing fortunately or
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    unfortunately, it depends. So I'd like to
    just show you that this is really an ultra
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    fast developing field. There's lots of new
    research papers every day, every week
  • 42:12 - 42:18
    coming in, studying all sorts of systems.
    When you just take a quick and dirty
  • 42:18 - 42:23
    metric of how important ultrafast science
    is this is the number of articles per year
  • 42:23 - 42:28
    that mentioned ultrafast in Google
    Scholar, it's exponentially growing. At
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    the same time, the number of total
    publications in Google Scholar is more or
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    less constant, so the blue line here
    outgrows the green line considerably since
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    about ten years. So what remains to be
    done? We've seen that we have light
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    sources available to generate ultra short
    pulses, but as always, when you have
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    better machines, bigger machines, you can
    take more fancy experiments. So it would
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    be really nice to develop both lab based
    sources and free electron laser sources so
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    that we can take more, more interesting,
    more complex experiments. Another
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    important challenge, that's what people in
    my research group where I work are working
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    on is to improve theoretical calculations
    because I did not go into a lot of detail
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    on how to calculate these things, but it's
    essentially quantum mechanics and quantum
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    mechanics skales very unfavorably. So
    going from a very small molecule like the
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    glycene molecule here to something like a
    protein is not doable. Simply, it cannot
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    compute this with quantum mechanics. So we
    need all sorts of new methodology to -
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    Yeah - to better describe larger systems.
    We would in general like to study not only
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    small molecules and not only take movies
    of small molecules, but really study large
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    systems like this is the FMO complex, that
    is a central in photosynthesis or solid
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    states that are here shown in this crystal
    structure simply because this is more
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    interesting for biological, chemical
    applications. And finally, as I've shown
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    you, it would be cool to directly control
    chemical reactions with light. So to find
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    a way how to replace this mess with a
    clean light pulse. With this, I'm at the
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    end. I'd like to quickly summarize
    femtodynamics, really fundamental in
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    biology, chemistry and physics. So more or
    less, the origin of life is on this
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    timescale. We can take molecular movies
    with ultrashort laser pulses and we can
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    generate these pulses in the laboratory or
    add free electron lasers with different
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    characteristics. And we would like to not
    only understand these ultra fast
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    phenomena, but we would also like to be
    able to control them in the future. With
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    this, I'd like to thank you for your
    attention and thank the supporting
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    institutions here that funded my PhD work.
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    applause
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    Herald: Well, that was an interesting
    talk. I enjoyed it very much. I guess this
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    will spark some questions. If you want to
    ask Caroline a question, please line up
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    behind the microphones. We have three in
    the isles between the seats if you want to
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    leave, please do so in the door here in
    the front. And until we get questions from
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    the audience, do we have questions from
    the Internet?
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    Signal angel: Yes. Big fat random user is
    curious about the design of the X-Ray
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    detector. Do you have any information on
    that?
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    Caroline: That's also very complex. I'm
    not a big expert in detectors. At this
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    point, I really recommend watching the
    talk from two years ago, that explains a
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    lot more about the X-Ray detectors. So
    what I know about the X-Ray detector is
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    that it's very complicated to process all
    the data because when you have 27000
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    flashes of light, it produces, I think
    terabytes of data within seconds and you
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    need to somehow be able to store them and
    analyze them. So there is also a lot of
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    technology involved in the design of these
    detectors.
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    Herald: Thank you. So the first question
    from microphone 2 in the middle.
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    Microphone 2: So my question is.
    Herald: Please go close to the microphone.
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    Microphone 2: My question is regarding the
    synchronization of the detector units when
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    you're pointing to free electron laser so
    you can achieve this in synchronization.
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    Caroline: This is also very complicated.
    It's easier to do in the lab. So you're
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    talking about the synchronization of
    essentially the first pulse and the second
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    pulse. Right. So in the lab, you typically
    generate the second pulse from part of the
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    first pulse. So you have a very natural
    alignment, at least in time of these two
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    pulses. The X-ray free electron lasers
    have special timing tools that allow you
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    to find out how much is the time delay
    between your two pulses. But it's true
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    that this is complicated to achieve and
    this limits the experimental time
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    resolution to something that is even
    larger than the time duration of the
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    pulses.
    Herald: So now next question from
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    microphone number 3.
    Microphone 3: Yes, i remember in the
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    beginning, you explained that your
    measuring method usually destroys your
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    molecules. That's a bit of a contradiction
    to your idea to control. laughing
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    Caroline: In principle, yes. But, so in
    the case of control, we would like to use
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    a second pulse, that does not destroy the
    molecule. But for example, at least
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    destroys it in a controlled way, for
    example. loud laughter So there's a difference between
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    just blowing up your molecule and breaking
    apart a certain part, but yet that we are
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    interested in. And that's what we would
    like to do in the control case. So we
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    would like to be able to to control, for
    example, the fragmentation of a molecule
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    such that we only get the important part
    out and everything else just goes away.
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    Microphone3: Thank you.
    Herald: So then another question for
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    microphone 2 in the middle.
    Microphone 2: So thank you for the talk. I
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    was interested in how large structures or
    molecules can you imagine with this lab
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    contributions and with this XFEL thing?
    Caroline: Sorry. Can you repeat?
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    Microphone 2: So how large molecules can
    you imagine in this laboratory with this
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    high harmonic measures?
    Caroline: So how large is not really the
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    fundamental problem? People have taken
    snapshots of viruses or bigger bio
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    molecules. If you want to - the problem is
    rather how small can we get? So yeah, to
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    take pictures of a very small molecule.
    Currently we cannot take a picture of an
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    individual small molecule, but what people
    do is they create crystals of a small
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    molecule, sticking several of them
    together and then taking images of this
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    whole crystal for single particles, I
    think right now about the scale of a virus
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    nanometers.
    Microphone 2: Thank you.
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    Herald: OK. Do we have another question
    from the Internet?
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    Signal Angel: We have. So this is
    concerning your permanent destruction of
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    forces, I guess. How do you isolate single
    atoms and molecules for analysing between
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    the different exposures?
    Caroline: Yes, excellent question. So
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    molecules can be made available in the gas
    phase by - so if you have them in a solid
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    somewhere and you heat that up, they will
    evaporate from that surface. This is how
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    you can get them in the gas phase. This,
    of course, assumes that you have a
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    molecule, that is actually stable in the
    gas space, which is not true for all
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    molecules. And then the, the hard thing is
    to align all three things. So the pump
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    pulse, the probe pulse and the molecule
    all need to be there at the same time.
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    There are people doing whole PhD theses on
    how to design gas nozzles that can provide
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    this stream of molecules.
    Signal Angel: So you basically really
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    having a stream coming from a nozzle?
    Caroline: Yes.
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    Signal Angel: It's a very thin stream, I
    guess.
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    Caroline: Yes.
    Signal Angel: Then you're exposing it like
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    in a regular interval.
    Caroline: And of course you try to hit as
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    many molecules as possible. So this is
    especially important when you do pictures
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    of crystallized molecules because
    crystallizing these molecules is a lot of
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    work. You don't want to waste like 99
    percent that just fall away and you never
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    take snapshots of them.
    Signal Angel: Thanks.
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    Herald: So another question from
    microphone 3.
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    Microphone 3: How do you construct this
    movie? I mean, for every pulse to have a
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    new molecule and for every molecule is
    oriented differently in space and has
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    different oscillation modes. How do
    correlate them? I mean, in the movie, I
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    mean, every molecule is different than the
    previous one.
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    Caroline: Yes. Excellent question. That's,
    So first, what people can do is align
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    molecules. So especially molecules that
    are more or less linear. You can force
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    them to be oriented in a certain way. And
    then there's also a bit of a secret in the
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    trigger pulse that first sets off this
    motion. For example, if this trigger pulse
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    is a very strong proto ionization, then
    this will kill off any sorts of
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    vibrational states that you have had
    before in the molecule. So in this sense,
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    the trigger parts really defines a time
    zero, that should be reproducible for any
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    molecule that shows up in the stream and
    the rest is statistics.
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    Microphone 3: Thank you.
    Herald: So there's another question on
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    microphone 3.
    Microphone 3: Are there any pre pulses or
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    ghosts, You need to get rid of?
    Caroline: Sorry. Again.
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    Microphone 3: You have to control pre
    pulses or ghosts during this effect for
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    measurement.
    Caroline: That I'm not really sure of,
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    since I'm not really conducting
    experiments, but probably.
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    Herald: And another one from the middle,
    from microphone 2 please.
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    Microphone 2: I suppose if you apply for
    experimentation time at the XFEL laser,
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    you have to submit very detailed plans and
    time lines and everything. And you will
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    get the time window for your experiment, I
    guess. what's going to happen if you're
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    not completely finished within that time
    window? Are they easy possibilities to
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    extend the time or are they do they just
    say, well, you had your three weeks,
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    you're out apply in 2026?
    Caroline: Yeah, I think it's a regular
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    case, that you're not finished with your
    experiments by the time your beam time
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    ends. That's how it usually goes. It's
    also unfortunatly not free weeks, but it's
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    rather like 60 hours delivered in five
    shifts of twelve hours. So, yeah, you
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    write a very detailed proposal of what you
    would like to do. Submit it to a panel of
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    experts, both scientists and technicians.
    So they decide, is it interesting enough
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    from a scientific point of view and is it
    feasible from a technical point of view?
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    And then once you are there, you more or
    less set up your experiment and do as much
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    as you can. If you want to come back, you
    need to submit an additional proposal. So,
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    yeah, I think most experimental groups try
    to have several of these proposals running
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    at the same time, so that there is not a
    two year delay between your data
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    acquisition. But yes. No possibility to
    extend. It's booked already for the
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    complete next year. The schedule is fixed.
    Herald: So I don't see any more people
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    queuing up. If you want to pose a
    question, please do so now. In the
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    meantime, I would ask the signal angel if
    there's another question from the
  • 54:35 - 54:38
    Internet.
    Signal Angel: I have a question about the
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    dimensions of all those machines. The
    undulator seems to be rather long and
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    contain a lot of magnets. Do you have an
    idea how long it is and how many of those
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    electromagnets are in there?
    Caroline: Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mention
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    it. It's about, I think one hundred and
    seventy meters long in the case of the
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    European XFEL. I'm not sure about the
    dimension of the individual magnets, but
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    it's probably also in the hundreds of
    magnets, magnet pairs.
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    Herald: So is there more - excuse me,
    there is a question on the microphone
  • 55:16 - 55:20
    number 3.
    Microphone 3: Yeah. Hi. It's regarding the
  • 55:20 - 55:22
    harmonic light.
    Herald: Please go closer to the
  • 55:22 - 55:24
    microphone.
    Microphone 3: The harmonic light generator
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    that you were showing at the very
    beginning, just before the one that won
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    the Nobel Prize. And can you also produce
    light in the visible range? Or it has to
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    be in the visible range?
    Caroline: The high harmonic generation? So
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    in the in the visible range, you cannot
    create pulses that are so short that they
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    would be interesting for what I'm doing.
    The pulse that comes in is already quite
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    short. So it's already femtoseconds long.
    They just convert it into something that
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    is fractions of a femtosecond long. And
    yeah. In the indivisible range that's kind
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    of a limit how short your pulse can be.
    Microphone 3: So it is not a good
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    candidate for hyperspectral light source.
    We need another kind of technique, I
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    guess.
    Caroline: Well, I mean you are kind of
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    limited what short pulses you can generate
    with which wavelength.
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    Microphone 3: Thank you.
    Herald: So again, a question to the Signal
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    Angel. Are there more questions from the
    internet?
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    Signal Angel: Yes I have another one about
    the lifetime of the molecules in the beam?
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    How fast are they degrading or how fast
    are they destructed?
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    Caroline: So probably the question is
    about how fast they are destructed before
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    - so either before our pulses hit the
    molecule the molecules should be stable
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    enough to survive in the gas phase from
    the point where they are evaporated until
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    the point where the pump and the probe
    pulse come together, because otherwise it
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    doesn't make sense to study this molecule
    in the gas phase. When the probe pulse
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    hits and it flows apart, I guess pico
    seconds until the whole molecules ...
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    Microphone 3: Like instantaneous.
    Herald: So I don't see any more questions
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    on the microphones and we have a few
    minutes left. So if there are more
  • 57:26 - 57:30
    questions from the Internet, we can take
    maybe one or two more.
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    Signal Angel: Give me a second.
    Herald: For people leaving already, please
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    look if you have taken trash and bottles
    with you.
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    Signal Angel: So this one very, very
    technical question. How do you compensate
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    the electronic signal that the electronic
    signal reaction is probably slower than x
  • 57:58 - 58:05
    ray or light or spectrum changes at one
    moment or at one particular moment, that
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    was interesting to analyze. I do not
    understand the question, though.
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    Caroline: I think I understand the
    question, but I don't have the answer
  • 58:13 - 58:17
    because again, I'm a - that's the problem
    of speaking to a technical audience, you
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    get a lot of these very technical
    question. Yeah. The data analysis is not
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    instantaneous. So the data is transported
    somewhere safe in my imagination. And then
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    taken from there. So this data analysis
    does not have to take place on the same
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    timescale as the data acquisition, which I
    guess is also because of the problem that
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    was mentioned in the question.
    Herald: I might interrupt here. Maybe it's
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    also about the signal transmission, like
    the signal rising of the signal of the
  • 58:56 - 59:02
    electrical signal transmissions. Because
    this would probably require bandwidths of
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    several megahertz, gigahertz, I don't
    know, to transport these very fast
  • 59:07 - 59:10
    results.
    Caroline: Yeah. I think that's also a
  • 59:10 - 59:15
    problem of constructing the right
    detector. That has been solved apparently
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    because they can take these images. laughter
    Herald: And on the other hand, we have 10
  • 59:21 - 59:29
    gigabit either nets. So we get faster and
    faster electronics. More questions from
  • 59:29 - 59:40
    the Internet? Does not look like it, also
    the time is running out. So let's thank
  • 59:40 - 59:43
    Caroline for her marvelous talk. Applause, final music
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